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Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:06 PM
Mark E. Smith = Pure Genius

The dude released an absurd amount of quality material and a lot of pure "wtf".

He makes most other types of music look just plain boring by comparison.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2014, 05:12 PM
i like them okay, i have a hard time getting into it. What album do you recommend that i start with?

i do like what comes out of smith's mouth

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Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:24 PM
Yeah, they're really difficult to get into, it's so unlike pretty much everything else out there.
But at the same time the songs have wicked hooks once you start getting it.

Id probably start with Grotesque. It took months for me to get anything beyond that and a few singles.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:27 PM
Mark's approach to music is just so awesome.

He's pretty much like "I didnt even like music, so I had to create something that I liked"

Catherine Wheel
05-03-2014, 05:28 PM
Better than Echo and the Bunnymen? I find that hard to believe.

slunken
05-03-2014, 05:29 PM
start with "dragnet"

if you don't like that - this bands not for you

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:34 PM
start with "dragnet"

if you don't like that - this bands not for you

The opening track to that album is a groovy motherfucker. Makes me shake like an absolute lunatic.

Oh, and Choc-Stock is one of their best songs.

slunken
05-03-2014, 05:36 PM
every song on that album is a classic imo it's their strongest release. and its their 2nd album (released the same year as the first). can't beat that.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:37 PM
Totally Wired is the greatest single ever.

"Cant you see?
A butterfly stomach round ground
I drank a jar of coffee
And I took some of these!

Im totally wired!
Im totally wired!"

slunken
05-03-2014, 05:37 PM
i'm a sucker for "as the moon falls", "muzorewis daughter" and "specter vs rector"

slunken
05-03-2014, 05:38 PM
on the other hand to be fair this band put out a TON of shit as well

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:43 PM
every song on that album is a classic imo it's their strongest release. and its their 2nd album (released the same year as the first). can't beat that.

I think it's 2nd to Grotesque and probably tied with their first album.

I made a Dragnet T-shirt that I wear frequently being the Goth that I am, I love the cover art for it.

slunken
05-03-2014, 05:49 PM
i've been wanting to read mark's book for some time. he just shit talks everything.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 05:54 PM
Yeah, I can't find it in any bookstore and Im too much of a instant gratification guy to buy it online.

I love Rocker auto-bio's. Just read Manson's (It's surprisingly well written) and Eric Clapton's (I didn't know he used to be a heroin addict and then an alcholic, holy shit). Im reading Richard Hell's one write now.

null123
05-03-2014, 05:59 PM
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Elphenor
05-03-2014, 06:01 PM
Better than Echo and the Bunnymen? I find that hard to believe.

This an awesome band too btw.

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:23 PM
YJust read Manson's (It's surprisingly well written)

surprisingly well ghost-written

and it really isn't. it's full of lies and half-truths and exaggerations

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 06:24 PM
surprisingly well ghost-written

and it really isn't. it's full of lies and half-truths and exaggerations

I figured it must of been Ghost Written. I dug it either way.

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:25 PM
he spins his own narrative when telling stories so it sounds like he always comes out on top. there are a lot of weird gaps in the stories too that don't add up. i've read it at least a dozen times since it came out and eventually you see that a lot of the major plot points just don't add up.

example - missy's abortion
example - "quitting" drugs after OD'ing at the beginning of recording ACSS

he's just so full of shit/himself

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:27 PM
it is a fun read though i'll admit

but he's a total shit-head. reading or listening to recent interviews from the past couple/few years is still highly entertaining though. guy is fucked out of his head and just rambles and rambles. idk if you follow his career much or anything

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:28 PM
he's still crawling out of the midst of a total - and i mean TOTAL - psychological breakdown

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 06:38 PM
I never cared about Manson the person, I just really dig a few of his albums for what they are.

So all I know is from the book lol. So obviously Im seeing the best version of him, a character.
Which is what Rock is about imo. I dont care about the actual person, I just care about the performer.

It doesn't matter what you really are, Rock let's you invent a larger than life character, and kind of "become your art." I mean, it's fucking awesome that this D&D playing nerd went to fucking supermodels because of his music.

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:46 PM
yea but i mean one of manson's big points in the book is about how there is no separation between manson the person and manson the performer. brian warner ceased to exist.

i will give him credit that he actually does/did live his day to day life exactly like that.

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:48 PM
idk which albums you've heard but the earlier work doesn't paint enough of a portrait of how twisted and sadistic his real life was. whereas on later albums he becomes much more autobiographical. point being - its all true. every word of it, in the sense that he's worse/crazier/debaucherous in real life than he is on the albums.

slunken
05-03-2014, 06:49 PM
i mean obviously you've read all the backstage stories from the danzig tour with tony wiggins. that had nothing to do with him as a performer.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 06:56 PM
Haha.
Yeah, some of that shit was pretty sick.

In both a good and bad way.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 06:59 PM
It's funny how quickly Rock Stars jump from "genius" to "crazy". It's right about age 40 when drug usage catches upand stops being nearly as cool.

slunken
05-03-2014, 07:04 PM
i wanted to know what albums you've listened to and where you're coming from with all this. are you just jamming the classic triptych?

i lost interest in the music around mechanical animals but still read up on the guy when i can. he was in absolute train-wreck mode circa 2009 and on, real psychologically damaged behavior.

antichrist superstar is one of my favorite albums of all time though. the whole thing is one big spell.

slunken
05-03-2014, 07:11 PM
i could be mis-reading all of this though. i read a lot of rock bios too, even from people i'm only marginally interested in.

regardless, one of my favorites i've read in recent years has been david crosby's "long time gone". it came out right after he was released from prison. midway through it turns into the diary of a basehead. spooky stuff. big fan though.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 07:16 PM
I like Mechanical Animals the most because of it's post-punk style. (Im more of an introspective groover than heavymetal rocker).

AntiChrist I like a few tracks from but never got super into. Though "Wormboy" might be my favorite Manson track.
I really dig Holywood.
I also like Eat me, Drink me, and parts of his newest album.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 07:23 PM
I like his visual style and the way he was in interviews.
In a time of T-shirts and grunge it's cool to see someone dedicated to the visual and political aspects of Rock.

And his voice was just undeniably good. Like, holy shit, the guy can wail.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2014, 07:26 PM
back to the fall, this is one of those bands i'm destined to be into. i need to get on it.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 07:27 PM
Seriously man, they're like hipster as fuck, but with balls.

slunken
05-03-2014, 07:32 PM
Though "Wormboy" might be my favorite Manson track.

I also like Eat me, Drink me, and parts of his newest album.

wormboy i think is the one they all hated. it was scott's last major contribution to the band. if you like that style i would at least check out portrait of an american family. its more of the "scuzzy cartoon" sound. he was a really under-rated shitty guitar player.

eat me drink me is pretty much start/early beginnings of his fucked up breakdown. lots of weird stories surrounding that album, how it was made, where he was living, how he was living, things like that. extremely creeped out stuff. you can see there's a 4 year gap between that album and his previous one. dude just completely broke down in all the wo rst ways and hasn't gotten much better.

back to the fall, this is one of those bands i'm destined to be into. i need to get on it.

dragnet. just get it.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 07:34 PM
Though, its weird to even call The Fall "a band".
Theres been like 100 members.

Theres a joke that if meet someone who hates the Fall is probably because Mark fired him.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2014, 07:42 PM
Seriously man, they're like hipster as fuck, but with balls.

suddenly SWANS is tres hipster

who fucking cares

null123
05-03-2014, 07:44 PM
the word hipster doesn't mean anything PLEASE STOP TLAKING ABOUT IT

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 07:44 PM
Hipster is stupid term. Im joking really.

null123
05-03-2014, 07:45 PM
*throws wine glass against the wall*

slunken
05-03-2014, 07:46 PM
i read something the other day and it said that "the word hipster usually says more about the person using it than it does the thing or person they are trying to describe"

just something to think about

null123
05-03-2014, 07:58 PM
i need to add Antichrist Superstar to my rotation of hot & sunny weather albums. it is definitely one of those for me

slunken
05-03-2014, 08:15 PM
i need to add Antichrist Superstar to my rotation of hot & sunny weather albums. it is definitely one of those for me

i use it as a spell (sometimes intentionally and sometimes not) - play this album when you want one thing to die and another thing to grow. it is my learned belief that that is the intent of the record.

slunken
05-03-2014, 08:16 PM
so yea it's good for the beginning of summer for sure - that's usually when i play it. i think it was released in mid october so it would make sense if it was recorded during the summer

slunken
05-03-2014, 08:18 PM
that all sounds kind of incredibly esoteric/uneccesarrily stupid but it is a solid fucking album filled with rage and the (personal?) apocalypse

null123
05-03-2014, 08:29 PM
no, i have little things i do like that too. it is sort of always summer here, but official summer isn't too far away.

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 08:47 PM
I met all my best friends because of Manson.

I dont know why, but when someone tells me they like Manson I just know they're a solid person.
Most of friendships start with "hey! (Insert name of band on T-shirt)" though

slunken
05-03-2014, 09:01 PM
i had a best friend who was really into Manson but i lost her to drugs and alcohol :noway:

Elphenor
05-03-2014, 09:13 PM
That sucks.

All my female friends are addicted to one thing or another while all my male friends are just geeks who need to have more sex.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2014, 11:30 PM
more sex is not a solution for anything

TuralyonW3
05-03-2014, 11:41 PM
I like them a lot but there are plenty of better and more interesting artists

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:16 AM
more sex is not a solution for anything

It's the solution to EVERYTHING.

I'm of the opinion that most of the world's problems could be solved by more sex and are caused by men who don't have enough sex.

TuralyonW3
05-04-2014, 12:16 AM
It's the solution to EVERYTHING.

I'm of the opinion that most of the world's problems could be solved by more sex and are caused by men who don't have enough sex.

Terrible

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:16 AM
I like them a lot but there are plenty of better and more interesting artists

Such as? I'm always up for discovering something new.

TuralyonW3
05-04-2014, 12:18 AM
Sum 41

TuralyonW3
05-04-2014, 12:19 AM
For real though, if you can handle the nosiness of the fall try the dead c

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:19 AM
Lol

Trotskilicious
05-04-2014, 12:28 AM
Terrible

somebody's horny and 22

have fun with HPV

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:29 AM
20

And I got condoms.

Trotskilicious
05-04-2014, 12:32 AM
HPV doesn't give a fuck about condoms dogg

Trotskilicious
05-04-2014, 12:33 AM
I mean nature's got so many ways of telling you not to have too much sex with too many people

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:37 AM
It's not like I'm pulling mad vagina anyway, if it's not obvious.

I mean, I do okay considering my lack of social skills, but not well enough to be at high risk of STDs that dont give a fuck about condoms.

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:40 AM
Idk, I only like Sex and Rock. Everything else is really uninteresting. I just find day to day life so incredibly lame I want to shoot myself.

Drugs are pretty cool too

Trotskilicious
05-04-2014, 12:42 AM
yeah we remember being 20 also

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:43 AM
What does that mean, though?

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 12:47 AM
I also like message boards.
Probably more than face to face communication. I absolutely can't stand talking to most people. Whatever it is that most people get from just small talk or whatever I dont get.

And most 20 year olds dont dig the things I do.

Trotskilicious
05-04-2014, 01:00 AM
i also don't like talking face to face with most people

i don't quite understand why i should pretend to be interested in your views on sex, and if it was RL i'd just nod my head and pretend to be listening but on here i can say "shut the fuck up"

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 01:03 AM
I like you, man.

At least your internet version.

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 02:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHFdYYIaEIc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I'm Hardcore
05-04-2014, 04:57 AM
Better than Echo and the Bunnymen? I find that hard to believe.

for emphasis

slunken
05-04-2014, 10:24 AM
I just couldn't even

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 01:47 PM
The Fall are the greatest ever.

EVER

Barry swedgin
05-04-2014, 02:03 PM
I'd recommend the best of - 50,000 Fall fans Can't Be Wrong, as a decent entry point. Early Fall is definitely where most folk 'get' it. IMO they never put a foot wrong their first 10 years. Live At The Witch Trials, Dragnet, Hex Induction Hour, Slates, Grotesque are all fantastic.

Grotesque was voted best Rough Trade album of all time a few years ago!

Barry swedgin
05-04-2014, 02:08 PM
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Elphenor
05-04-2014, 02:20 PM
Grotesque is probably the greatest album ever imo.
Every track is pure jittery post-punk brillance.

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 02:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m2lfk4Bm34&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Perverted by Language is amazing as well.

So much good material.

Mooney
05-04-2014, 07:39 PM
back to the fall, this is one of those bands i'm destined to be into. i need to get on it.

i'm not well versed in their entire discography, but i'm fairly surprised no one has mentioned 'this nation's saving grace.' it's my favourite and i had thought that it was generally considered to be their best work. i suggest that over dragnet as a first listen.

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 08:31 PM
That's the only Fall album I don't like. It's just boring compared to something like Dragnet. It's The Fall's "mainstream" album.

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 08:35 PM
I think Grotesque is the place to start or a collection of singles.

Dragnet is excellent but I didn't find it super easy to get into because a few of the tracks are really out there.

The exploding boy
05-04-2014, 08:49 PM
I feel the title of this thread is a bit hyperbolic.



Anyway as much as most of what I love is post punk, I could never get into The Fall. Probably not moody enough or something.

Elphenor
05-04-2014, 09:01 PM
They have a more Punk vibe than most post-punk. Like if The Stooges were a post-punk band.

Mark is pure attitude and intelligence which is what I look for in music.

redbreegull
05-04-2014, 09:28 PM
Mechanical Animals is his best album IMO although I stopped listening halfway through eat me drink me

Sonic Johnny
05-04-2014, 11:08 PM
I think it's spelt "F U G A Z I"

Elphenor
05-05-2014, 12:08 AM
Mechanical Animals is his best album IMO

I agree. Mechanical Albums is one of the greatest alt. albums ever.

Elphenor
05-05-2014, 12:08 AM
I think it's spelt "F U G A Z I"

They're enjoyable enough.

Elphenor
05-05-2014, 02:33 AM
Get that shit out of my Fall thread.

I'm Hardcore
05-05-2014, 03:53 AM
serious post time, early-mid 90's Fall is my favourite

Elphenor
05-05-2014, 04:30 AM
Extricate?

I can't remember what year that is.

I'm Hardcore
05-06-2014, 09:22 PM
infotainment scan / the marshall suite

Elphenor
05-07-2014, 10:36 AM
TIS is awesome

Elphenor
05-07-2014, 10:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUq0L-eV9Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Was listening to this earlier. Love the way he sings the chorus

Elphenor
05-07-2014, 11:10 AM
Tripple post but:

What I love so much about Mark is he's obviously a weirdo and really smart but he's not a whiny geek about it.

"I've always been an outsider, yeah, but I dont lose any sleep over it".

-Mark E. Smith

slunken
10-04-2014, 04:21 PM
bought epub versions of these two books today:

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pretty much had the fall on all day. 77-79 and the rough trade anthology along with peel sessions.

slunken
10-04-2014, 04:25 PM
i mean it is fall, seasonally. i can dig it.

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good shots of the bands gear and playing techniques here.

Elphenor
10-04-2014, 04:27 PM
I seriously need to read that. I have no doubt I'd love every word.

Marky talking about his writing process, so hilarious:

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Elphenor
10-04-2014, 04:30 PM
I made the incredibly stupid mistake of skipping past "Slates" and I've realized my mistake and holy shit this is fucking awesome:

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bye june
10-05-2014, 11:45 AM
I just listened to Dragnet...there are definitely elements I liked about it but I don't think I'll listen to it again.

Elphenor
10-05-2014, 03:07 PM
You should listen to it again. Nobody gets a Fall album on first listen.

Elphenor
10-05-2014, 03:10 PM
Choc-Stock and Rowche Rumble are my current Fall obsessions

bye june
10-06-2014, 08:34 AM
I 'get' it, I sorta knew what to expect anyway.

Shallowed
10-07-2014, 12:39 AM
How agreeable is this?

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6348/fallthe.jpg

Elphenor
10-07-2014, 09:40 AM
It's pretty hilarious and right on in some places but I disagree with some of it.
Here's what I think:

This Nation's Saving Grace- This album is Marky purposefully going mainstream with the influence of his American wife and band memeber.(Brix)
It's more traditionally Rock than anything else by The Fall which makes it really distinct and interesting but it also suffers from some weak songs and can be a little cheezy at times.
Also, I don't think it's actually that much easier to get into than other better Fall albums. I wouldn't want it to be someone's first experience with the band.
But: SPOILT VICTORIAN CHILD, holy shit what a great track
And Paintwork is really artsy and pretty.

Hex Education Hour- The most Punk album next to Live at the Witch Trials. Very noisy and disorientating with barely any pop anywhere to be seen. "The Classical" is a song that smugly says "We are The Fall, prepare to get your ass kicked." Jaw-bone is a Punk song in almost the most traditional sense.
I can see why people like it so much, but I feel like everything that's done in this album is done better in a different Fall album.

Room to Live- The description is right on. It's really chaotic but otherwise inessential

Grotesque- Mark's magnum opus. Amphetamine fueled jittery madness with enough hooks to keep you dancing. Not a single bad song. There's something for everyone. And the LYRICS, holy fuck THOSE LYRICS. I would need to write a book to describe all the genius of the lyrics. It's way easier to get into than the chart suggests imo
LISTEN TO THIS ALBUM

Witch Trials- Description is right on. It's a punk album but with a little more grove. And it's fucking amazing. I think a good argument can be made for this actually being the best Fall album. though it's pretty difficult to get into all the tracks. If some of the Bsides were switched in, it would be the best Fall album. The Bsides are all amazing and worth checking if you like the album.
"Industrial Estate" is the perfect Punk song imo, both lyrically and musically.

PbL- A more laid back atmospheric groove. It's the perfect Fall album to listen to with headphones while you go for a walk or work on something and just let it seep into your subconscious.
That isn't to say it lacks hooks interesting songs or hooks. "Eat Yourself Fitter" and "Kicker Conspiracy" are some of the most engaging and catchy songs Mark has ever penned. The lyrics are again absolutely fantastic and interesting.
"Wings" is a Science Fiction horror story concerning time traveling wings.

Slates- The chart is write. You can twerk to this album. It also just fucking rocks

Wonderful and Frightening- This album is all over the place. Sometimes it is as the chart suggests one of the more pop Fall albums. Mark's vocal hooks and strong melodies sink their claws into you and won't let up until you've hummed "C.R.E.E.P" and "Oh! Brother" to yourself at least a thousand times. Brix's vocals adds a layer of softness to the tracks.
But if you go in expecting something as pop as Saving Grace, tracks like "Copped It" are going to freak you the fuck out.
Also CREEP is pure poetry lyric wise. Some of his coolest lines

Dragnet- Though the production is extremely raw I think this album still maintains a crazy amount of frantic groove. "Psychic Dance Hall" should have anyone with a pulse jumping around right from the start. The basslines are killer from beginning to end and the pounding tribal beats never let up. The whole thing makes you want to strip down and dance around a fire.

Bend Sinister- It's not really that Dark. I don't know what the chart is talking about there. "Mr. Pharmacist" is the best cover they ever recorded. Otherwise the album is just okay, nothing spectacular.

The Frenz experiment- As the chart suggests, very pop. "In These Times" is one of the coolest songs they've ever recorded.
Mark shouting "My friends don't add up to one hand! My Friends!" on the opening track is awesome.
"The Steak Place" is a pretty little groove about an actual Steak House. The way he uses language to add flavor to even the most mundane things is amazing.

Extricate - Written after his divorce from Brix it's a sort of trip through his new single life. It's the closet thing you'll get to "sad songs" from Mark but they're still pretty upbeat and funny. It's the type of album that will make you laugh and cry at the same time. "Telephone thing" is a also a groovy motherfucker.
I wouldn't recommend trying to get into it unless you really like The Fall though

Elphenor
10-07-2014, 10:22 AM
tl:dr

This is my shit right now:

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slunken
10-07-2014, 11:36 AM
I found it easier to dissect the albums once I learned about all the lineup changes and etc

Elphenor
10-07-2014, 02:40 PM
Documentary about them:

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The more you learn about this band the more fascinating they become

Shallowed
10-07-2014, 08:43 PM
Listened to TNSG, now listening to Hex Enduction Hour. This record sounds a bit more like what I expected to hear from The Fall, which TNSG didn't really meet. I get the impression that TNSG shows a few different sides of the band, which is why it was recommended by the chart first.

I'm really enjoying songs like Winter that are really repetitive which I can get lost in.

Also Hex Enduction Hour is a really cool name.

Elphenor
10-07-2014, 09:03 PM
Yeah TNSG is so different from anything else that I think it's a weird album to start with because it's not at all representative of the rest of their material

Shallowed
10-07-2014, 09:05 PM
It's also their most popular album, so there's another reason to put it at the start

Elphenor
10-07-2014, 09:36 PM
"Who makes the Nazi's" is my favorite Hex Education song.

Winter is also great like you said

I'm Hardcore
10-08-2014, 12:03 AM
it's not at all representative of the rest of their material

nothing is representative of their material, because each album sounds so different (to me anyway)

Elphenor
10-08-2014, 02:04 AM
I think "always different but always the same" is actually an apt way to describe The Fall

Trotskilicious
10-08-2014, 02:31 AM
alright already i'll liten to this nation again

I'm Hardcore
10-08-2014, 06:43 AM
"green eyed loco man" i think is their best song

Cool As Ice Cream
10-08-2014, 06:49 AM
debaser

Elphenor
10-08-2014, 03:12 PM
alright already i'll liten to this nation again



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Mals Marola
10-09-2014, 03:56 AM
i don't know if nation's saving grace is really gonna get people into the fall
i mean, it's kind of "safe" or whatever by their standards maybe but shit just go all in already with hex enduction hour or something
that's where the real shit is
and yeah kudos to this thread for actually getting me to check 'em out again etc. etc.
The Complete Peel Sessions are no joke

Mals Marola
10-09-2014, 04:16 AM
YAAA YAAA INDUSTIRAL AA--SSTATE

Elphenor
10-09-2014, 06:34 PM
^

This person know's what's up

Elphenor
10-09-2014, 06:45 PM
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Elphenor
10-10-2014, 10:48 PM
The crap in the air will fuck up your face
(YAA YAA INDUSTRIAL ESTATE)
And the boss can bloody take most of your wage
(YAA YAA INDUSTRIAL ESTATE)
And if you get a bit of depression
(YAA YAA INDUSTRIAL ESTATE)
Just ask your doctor for some Valium!

YAA YAA INDUSTRIAL ESTATE!

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:25 PM
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basically my theme song lately

Hey badges tinkle
T-shirts mingle

Hey you horror-face!
I'm a printhead
I go to pieces
I'm a printhead
I go to pieces yeah

End of catch-line
End of hook-line

We had a two page
It's what we needed
I'm an ill head
My face increases
How my head increases
Real problems, biz

So how is it, yeah
That I've reached here
I thought this game
Would do me good

How could printed vinyl bring you out to here?
We laughed with them
When it was take-the-piss time
I'm no egghead
But I'm an ex-worker man
W.C.-hero friend - and not water closet!

There's a barrier between writer and singer
Uh-huh he's a good man
Although a lazy one
The singer is a neurotic drinker
The band little more than a big crashing beat.
Instruments collide and we all get drunk

The last two lines
Were a quote, yeah
When we read them
We went to pieces

We went to pieces, yeah
We went to pieces, yeah
Regularly

One day a week
I'm a printhead, yeah
Twenty pence a week
Dirty fingers

Printhead
Printhead
Printhead

With print you substitute an ear
For an extra useless eye

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:34 PM
I am the dice man
And I take a chance, huh
Do you take a chance, huh?

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:35 PM
They say music should be fun
Like reading a story of love
But I want to read a horror story
Where are you people going?
Where are you people going?
Is this a branch on the tree of showbusiness?

pretty much all of post-punk wrapped up in a verse

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:40 PM
by the time you get to choc-stock all the foam has gone to your head

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:43 PM
(listening to spector vs rector for the first time in about a decade)

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:45 PM
http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/admin/wp-content/uploads/MES1.jpg

Elphenor
10-11-2014, 09:45 PM
He's making fun of critics there right?
Printheads = music critics

"I go to pieces" = "I laugh at t****

"With print you substitute an ear
For an extra useless eye"

= "Written reviews are stupid"

Elphenor
10-11-2014, 09:49 PM
"Dice Man" kicks an incredible amount of ass.

That just complete lack of production, and the minimalism

slunken
10-11-2014, 09:49 PM
He's making fun of critics there right?
Printheads = music critics

"I go to pieces" = "I laugh at t****

"With print you substitute an ear
For an extra useless eye"

= "Written reviews are stupid"

not necessarily "making fun" but yea it is a song about critics of the time


So how is it, yeah
That I've reached here
I thought this game
Would do me good

How could printed vinyl bring you out to here?
We laughed with them
When it was take-the-piss time
I'm no egghead
But I'm an ex-worker man
W.C.-hero friend - and not water closet!

There's a barrier between writer and singer
Uh-huh he's a good man
Although a lazy one
The singer is a neurotic drinker
The band little more than a big crashing beat.
Instruments collide and we all get drunk

The last two lines
Were a quote, yeah
When we read them
We went to pieces

note the reference to legendary drunkard WC Fields

Elphenor
10-11-2014, 09:52 PM
Makes me want to dance naked around a fire

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slunken
10-11-2014, 09:52 PM
nobody cares about how you feel

Elphenor
10-11-2014, 10:05 PM
I've been getting into modern Fall. I'm surprised at how good it still is.

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Elphenor
10-12-2014, 04:23 AM
Mark E. Smith talking about being influenced by Rap but not liking that it can't be pulled of live, how Rock became stale and boring, and having a complex rhythm section
Really interesting


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null123
10-12-2014, 04:29 AM
Best eyebrows in the game

Mals Marola
10-13-2014, 03:54 AM
I've been getting into modern Fall. I'm surprised at how good it still is.

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when i think of modern fall i think of pretty much anything from country on the click onward, but damn yer on the ultra-modern with that one

speakin of modern sounds, it's incredible how much stronger the peel sessions sound to me than a lot of the album versions. performances are for the most part immaculate (in fall standards, whatever that means) and the sound quality, those full-bodied drums, hot damn!

slunken
10-15-2014, 04:32 PM
new album coming out tomorrow? called "yarbles"?

Elphenor
10-15-2014, 04:55 PM
when i think of modern fall i think of pretty much anything from country on the click onward, but damn yer on the ultra-modern with that one

speakin of modern sounds, it's incredible how much stronger the peel sessions sound to me than a lot of the album versions. performances are for the most part immaculate (in fall standards, whatever that means) and the sound quality, those full-bodied drums, hot damn!

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I love this version of EYF

slunken
10-15-2014, 05:13 PM
elphenor you're looking like an untrue fan here i must say

Elphenor
10-15-2014, 05:21 PM
You got me. I had no idea about a new album, I'm still trying to catch up with all the "modern" albums

slunken
10-15-2014, 05:30 PM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1110933/you-got-served-2-o.gif

Elphenor
10-15-2014, 05:35 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/the-fall--2/67916

This made me laugh so hard when I read it

Elphenor
10-15-2014, 05:36 PM
"Get the guy out of Fight Club, he'd make a great me"

Shallowed
10-15-2014, 08:56 PM
I thought Mark E Smith played himself in 24HPP?

Elphenor
10-15-2014, 09:02 PM
Sam Riley played Mark E Smith in that movie apparently (I haven't seen it) and then went on to play Ian Curtis in Control (WHICH IS A FUCKING AWESOME MOVIE)

Where do I sign up for a job pretending to be post-punk legends I do that already

Shallowed
10-15-2014, 09:05 PM
Control's casting was perfect

Elphenor
10-15-2014, 09:10 PM
Should I watch 24hpp, is it good? I didn't even know it was a thing until I googled it just now

Shallowed
10-15-2014, 09:36 PM
It's an intriguing take on the styles of both biopics and documentaries. It regularly breaks the fourth wall, bends the truth and portrays legends as though they happened but leaving it up to the viewer to decide what is fact and fiction. I think you'd love it.

The exploding boy
10-15-2014, 10:06 PM
24 hour party people is great. I love it. Less factual than control (lots of liberties taken but as it's clear from early on, this is tony wilson as he claims to remember it), but a lot more entertaining (well you know..Control isnt supposed to be fun to be fair...).

One of my favorite quote: "It's a pity you didn't sign the Smiths, but you were right about Mick Hucknall. His music's rubbish, and he's a ginger."

Also

Tony Wilson: You know, I think Shaun Ryder is on a par with W.B. Yeats as a poet.
Yvette: Really?
Tony Wilson: Absolutely.
Yvette: Well, that is amazing, because everybody else thinks he's a fucking idiot.

Yvette is right of course.

and

Rob Gretton: You know your trouble, Tony? You don't know what you are. You see, I fucking know what you are, but you don't know what you are.
Tony Wilson: My curiosity's got the better of me, Rob, tell me, what am I?
Rob Gretton: You're a cunt.
Tony Wilson: Well, that was something I *did* know, you see, I actually did know that.

Mals Marola
10-16-2014, 12:36 AM
yeah i've revisited 24 hour party people at least once semi-recently
pretty good movie, i love steve coogan by this point

new order's original song for that film was pretty tiiite as well (here to stay)

mark e. smith is credited as playing himself, though

Elphenor
10-16-2014, 03:00 AM
Yeah, that movie was pretty awesome.

And yeah that was Marky in that movie

Although Idk why he really even needed to be in it. He's voiced his dislike for the Manchester scene and his desire to keep himself seperate from it in multiple interviews

Elphenor
10-16-2014, 03:01 AM
God telling him he should have signed The Smiths

Lololol

Cool As Ice Cream
10-16-2014, 03:21 AM
multiple interviews. how many is that? two?

Elphenor
10-16-2014, 03:26 AM
Something like that

Do you even like The Fall?

Mals Marola
10-16-2014, 03:35 AM
He's voiced his dislike for the Manchester scene and his desire to keep himself seperate from it in multiple interviews

man he doesn't like fucking anything

Elphenor
10-16-2014, 03:42 AM
I want to do ecstacy and dance to Happy Mondays

Before people started calling it "Mollys"

I'm Hardcore
10-16-2014, 05:26 AM
shut upppppp you're not from the 1980's

Shallowed
10-16-2014, 06:28 AM
And for fuck's sake, find a place to live before doing any drugs.

The exploding boy
10-16-2014, 08:43 AM
I want to do ecstacy and dance to Happy Mondays


A lot of good bands came out of manchester. And then there was happy mondays.

Shallowed
10-16-2014, 09:20 AM
It amuses me that all of these really artistically minded people came out of the woodwork and found each other in a city that had nothing going for it, right after a Sex Pistols gig.

Mals Marola
10-16-2014, 11:45 AM
A lot of good bands came out of manchester. And then there was happy mondays.

i can't speak that much for the band, but pills thrills sure was a good record at least

Elphenor
10-16-2014, 02:32 PM
I dig it

Elphenor
10-16-2014, 02:45 PM
"This is moment even the white man started to dance"

That was pretty epic

Elphenor
10-19-2014, 01:28 AM
Has anyone else seen the bonus interviews for 24hpp

I just watched them and Peter Hook mentions Billy Corgan

Mals Marola
10-19-2014, 04:58 AM
no i've only watched it on the dear ol' internet

he's said some nasty things about his fellow band members can only imagine what he'd say about corgan

or does inter-band shit talk not work like that

Elphenor
10-19-2014, 08:50 AM
He just talks about how Corgan looked at New Order like New order looked at The Beatles

The exploding boy
10-19-2014, 09:11 AM
Tony Wilson has an interview with Billy Corgan on youtube but since i'm on netphoria im assuming everyone knows that. I came across it by accident some years back.

Elijah Moon
10-19-2014, 09:22 AM
Is this a dream I had or was there some compulsive liar on here years back who posted a supposed interview he had had with Billy Corgan?

Mals Marola
10-19-2014, 04:07 PM
bringin it "all back around" i know for a fact there was a james & bill interview from around the gish era where bill talks about mark e. smith

briefly, i guess "mention" would be a more accurate word, but i heard it a few years back and for whatever reason it was taken down

Cool As Ice Cream
10-20-2014, 08:33 AM
Hex Education Hour- The most Punk album next to Live at the Witch Trials. Very noisy and disorientating with barely any pop anywhere to be seen. "The Classical" is a song that smugly says "We are The Fall, prepare to get your ass kicked." Jaw-bone is a Punk song in almost the most traditional sense.
I can see why people like it so much, but I feel like everything that's done in this album is done better in a different Fall album.
"Who makes the Nazi's" is my favorite Hex Education song.
^ lol check out this "fan" haha hex education
Do you even like The Fall?
okay...

who's that in your avatar?

slunken
10-30-2014, 05:14 PM
hey elph - i started listening to the happy monday's discography at work today. made it through the first two albums. thoughts:

the first one is amazing.
the 2nd one has "better music" but the vocals aren't quite there for me.

so - round 1 - the first album is much better than the second.

Elphenor
10-30-2014, 05:41 PM
Yeah I just discovered them a month ago or so and I have the same thoughts.

First album is straight post-punk reminds of The Clash but with the bass as the lead instrument.

I haven't really got into Bummed yet, but Pills+Thrills is also a great album, very different than the first though.

slunken
10-30-2014, 06:35 PM
reminds of The Clash .

i thought the exact same thing

Elphenor
10-30-2014, 06:39 PM
This is too good I can't even handle it
Written about when Mark Hannett quit and stormed out of the studio


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Elphenor
10-30-2014, 06:55 PM
This song is so weird the melody sounds like something out of Black Sabbath song. I love it

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slunken
10-31-2014, 03:51 PM
okay i listened to the third album today "pills thrills..." from 1990

of note is the song "donovan" because i noticed, while watching interviews from 1992, he would often be accompanied by a woman identified as donovan's daughter.

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slunken
10-31-2014, 03:56 PM
my initial thoughts are that i like the singles better on this one. the instrumentals don't hit me as much as on the 2nd album (or the first for that matter) and it definitely sounds like that early 90s electronic pop, but the vocals and lyrics are much better than on the 2nd record, which in combination makes for better songs. Loose Fit is probably my favorite song here.

still does not top the intital intensity of the first record though. even though only 5 years have passed it sounds like 10 or more.

slunken
10-31-2014, 04:00 PM
it's probably unfair, in that sense, to hang on to the first record so much, because part of the reason i'm drawn to it is that it really doesn't sound like "the happy mondays" at all. it reminds me more of james chance and that 2nd generation no wave sound like kid congo, etc from new york.

and as mentioned earlier it has that rowdy yet swinging, working class energy like early clash as well.

slunken
10-31-2014, 04:02 PM
kind of like how !!!'s first record seemed really snotty and in your face, yet everything after that seemed more and more watered down.

slunken
10-31-2014, 04:05 PM
also it's difficult not to think of this

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who were doing this stuff since c.1985 as well. idk if you are familiar. some claim Gen invented H.A.R.D. (Heavy Acid Rock Dance - which overlapped into and predated "baggy") music as well as many other genres (industrial, english acid house, etc)

slunken
10-31-2014, 05:20 PM
here's the full '89 manchester show aka JOY

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40+ second intro

opening track is one of my all time favs

slunken
10-31-2014, 05:21 PM
and heres the full 91 london show entitled "BLACK"

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Elphenor
12-29-2014, 05:42 PM
I totally missed you talking more about Happy Mondays. Basically I agree with you.

The first album is the best because of that Mancunian working class thug, ecstasy on the weekend energy. I feel like a boss listening to it, and it's rare I dig something like that.

PillsNthrills is also really fantastic but only the singles reach the heights of the first. It feels more drenched in MDMA as the title would suggest and you really understand where they get their reputation.

God's Cop is my favorite track on it. That riff is too good. And Kinky Afro is not only catchy as fuck but also probably has Shaun's best lyrics.

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 05:49 PM
You're twisting my melon, man

CCCCAAALLLL THE CCCOOOOPPPSSS

mojo
12-29-2014, 05:51 PM
I totally missed you talking more about Happy Mondays. Basically I agree with you.

The first album is the best because of that Mancunian working class thug, ecstasy on the weekend energy. I feel like a boss listening to it, and it's rare I dig something like that.

PillsNthrills is also really fantastic but only the singles reach the heights of the first. It feels more drenched in MDMA as the title would suggest and you really understand where they get their reputation.

God's Cop is my favorite track on it. That riff is too good. And Kinky Afro is not only catchy as fuck but also probably has Shaun's best lyrics.

Bummed is their masterpiece

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 05:52 PM
I don't see it. Production doesn't mesh well at all with their style

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 05:53 PM
Happy Monday's didn't need a dark album, they just aren't that type of band

You get dooowwwwnnn to Happy Mondays

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 06:02 PM
I can never get enough of the different Hallelujah mixes. Especially the Club one.

I'd be in a club every night if this was what they were blasting

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 06:42 PM
Mark E. Smith likes Shaun Ryder okay, but he says the people he knew who were into them entirely burned themselves out with E

Reading his autobiography and I had to stop and laugh for like thirty minutes when he talked about the origin of the cover for "Fall in a Hole" (something I always wondered about) their first live EP away from the UK that was taken from their first tour in Australia

http://image.mp3.zdn.vn/covers/d/3/d3dd455e8233b9367061f1971d76ede8_1385657883.jpg

Apparently when trying to make a first impression on the Aussies who kind of thought they were a joke Marc Riley went around acting like big shit even though they only had two LP's under their belt at the time and Riley is by far the goofiest member The Fall have ever had.

Mark says he had to pull the guy off a dance floor and tell him to wait in the hotel room so he would stop embarrassing him.

As a result of the experience Mark picked that picture of goofy Marc Riley "parading himself like a swan to imaginary fans"

I'm Hardcore
12-29-2014, 06:49 PM
THAT ALBUM WAS RECORDED IN NEW ZEALAND

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 06:51 PM
You're right actually

Well I mean the events that inspired Marky choosing that picture occurred on the Australia tour but they went on a subsequent New Zealand tour where they were much more receptive of them and I think that's where it was recorded.

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 06:59 PM
Yeah, it's the last show of the tour which would have been in New Zealand

I had to google it, Marky doesn't make it clear which show it was taken from.

I'm Hardcore
12-29-2014, 07:03 PM
OF COURSE I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

I'm Hardcore
12-29-2014, 07:13 PM
it is a great record. a buddy of mine (well i say that loosely, he's an old guy who i've drank beers with a few times, he's pretty derelict and lives in a warehouse) was at that show, and apparently a lot of the vocal banter wasn't even captured.

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 07:16 PM
So jealous. The version of Container Drivers from that album is great

Mooney
12-29-2014, 07:48 PM
what's a computa?

Elphenor
12-29-2014, 08:11 PM
The powers that be
Will have to meet
and have no choice but to

EAT EACH OTHER

mojo
12-30-2014, 04:54 PM
Billy could take a leaf (possibly more than one) from Mark E Smith's book - I mean talk about ploughing your own field and to hell with the fields next door, what the critics think, what his legacy is etc.. I've met Brix a few times and she talks with such respect about what a completely pure and focused artist he was/is - Mark E Smith IS his creative output/career in away that very few artists have the courage or ability to be.

Elphenor
12-30-2014, 05:34 PM
It's really true. Him and Nick Cave have a similar way of looking at their role as an artist as just another job and that's why they're able to produce so much at a constant rate. No matter what they get up every weekday morning and put on their suits go into the office or studio and start writing/recording because that's just their job.
I think it has to do with them coming at music from an almost authors angle.

They're professionals.

Also Marky talks about how very early he was presented the choice between making music that would be popular and making the type of music he would like to listen to, knowing full well that most people weren't going to get it, he chose the latter.

mojo
12-30-2014, 05:38 PM
It's really true. Him and Nick Cave have a similar way of looking at their role as an artist as just another job and that's why they're able to produce so much at a constant rate. No matter what they get up every weekday morning and put on their suits go into the office or studio and start writing/recording because that's just their job.
I think it has to do with them coming at music from an almost authors angle.

They're professionals.

Also Marky talks about how very early he was presented the choice between making music that would be popular and making the type of music he would like to listen to, knowing full well that most people weren't going to get it, he chose the latter.

Nick Cave...yes. Robert Smith was talking in awestruck tones about NC's work ethic in an interview recently, kind of just saying 'I don't know how he does it'...

Elphenor
12-30-2014, 05:51 PM
Also, Brix
<3 <3 <3
How do you divorce this woman?

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/fcoll_reviews/14607605/41269/41269_320.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/76019394/Brix+Smith+brix.jpg

http://cdn.discogs.com/1uVz8whELS38WGAqA_gvUAhvK8g=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/A-73155-1135541072.jpeg.jpg

Elphenor
12-30-2014, 05:58 PM
"Let me just come over with my bowl cut and thrift store sweaters and marry the hottest women you Yanks have"

Fucking legendary

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lb9DRt6q72c/hqdefault.jpg

Barry swedgin
12-30-2014, 06:08 PM
Bummed is their masterpiece

And Performance is the best song on it.

This vid is awsome:

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Elphenor
12-30-2014, 06:22 PM
^
That was rad

slunken
12-31-2014, 09:35 PM
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Mals Marola
12-31-2014, 09:47 PM
Also, Brix
<3 <3 <3
How do you divorce this woman?

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/fcoll_reviews/14607605/41269/41269_320.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/76019394/Brix+Smith+brix.jpg

http://cdn.discogs.com/1uVz8whELS38WGAqA_gvUAhvK8g=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/A-73155-1135541072.jpeg.jpg

...because looks & "attitude" aren't everything and she was probably unbearable?

Elphenor
12-31-2014, 10:01 PM
I've never heard anything like that about her. She's the only woman that made Marky release a heartbreak album

I mean, Marky talks with a disdain for the upper class world she's apart of and her artsy friends and their temporary time in the suburbs but never says a bad word about her specifically.

bignothing
01-01-2015, 05:26 PM
This came up on my fb wall, thought about you weirdos

Thirty days, 30 albums: how I fell in love with the Fall

This year marked the 35th anniversary of the Fallís debut, Live at the Witch Trials. Before 2014 was out, one intrepid journalist and Fall virgin resolved to listen to their entire discography in a bid to convert to Mark E Smithís febrile faith. Hereís his journey...

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/dec/31/how-i-fell-in-love-with-the-fall-35th-anniversary?CMP=share_btn_fb

Elphenor
01-01-2015, 07:48 PM
I've only listened to the Fall for a month straight not for some experiment but BECAUSE THEY'RE THE GREATEST EVER

Elphenor
01-01-2015, 11:43 PM
"Far from getting sick of them, by the middle of the month the Fall were all I could talk about, read about, practically think about. I almost certainly bored everyone who knows me to tears."

I know this feel, they really are that type of band. They inspire obsession with the pure amount of depth there is in the material.

Sonic Johnny
01-02-2015, 10:11 PM
I can never get enough of the different Hallelujah mixes. Especially the Club one.

I'd be in a club every night if this was what they were blasting

Sweet okay now send us a memo when you catch up on The Orb and Moby

Trotskilicious
01-03-2015, 12:07 AM
god damn he is so annoying

Elphenor
01-03-2015, 09:09 AM
I like Moby

Elphenor
01-03-2015, 09:13 AM
But I do prefer traditional rock bands who used electronics. It sounds different, not "better" but different.

Elphenor
01-03-2015, 10:38 AM
Blasting Kurious Oranj today. One of the few Fall albums that really demands to be listened to from start to finish with no interruptions

Sonic Johnny
01-03-2015, 02:33 PM
I like Moby

Hey good work man, and I mean that sincerely. 4/5ths of the dusty old rockist pricks on this board would be too blinded by archaic standards to appreciate Moby. Seriously you should listen to The Orv's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld.

Elphenor
01-03-2015, 03:47 PM
Listening right now.

I can dig it

Elphenor
01-03-2015, 03:50 PM
Earth(Gaia) has got my attention with that ominous spoken word lead into the beat

Mals Marola
01-03-2015, 03:52 PM
But I do prefer traditional rock bands who used electronics. It sounds different, not "better" but different.

eh, it's a little difference after you experience the general contrivance of actually being in one of these projects, lol.

you basically just want to go shut yourself off again, people are pretty sluggish & non-committal (maybe moreso these days?)

obv that says nothin about actually listening & enjoying these sort of bands does it does kind of give you more of an understanding as to why one would want to be a solo artist (particularly solo electronic artist) in the first place

Mals Marola
01-03-2015, 03:53 PM
but shit even tears for fears were down to 1 tear by the early 90s, so maybe it was always like that!

Elphenor
01-03-2015, 04:08 PM
Well usually bands benefit from having different people with different influences playing off each other. The friction between the members is often to the benefit of the music *cough* SP *cough*

fuzzyroes
01-04-2015, 03:51 AM
I like Moby

hahaha oh god... You would like Moby

Trotskilicious
01-04-2015, 06:01 AM
4/5ths of the dusty old rockist pricks on this board would be too blinded by archaic standards to appreciate Moby.

shut yer hole, funboy

Elphenor
01-04-2015, 01:22 PM
Is Moby another one of those artists that has some sort of stigma attached to him that I'm unaware of because I just like the music

Elijah Moon
01-04-2015, 01:35 PM
Moby had some good tracks. A lot of people turned against him and called him a sellout for allowing every track on the 'Play' album to be used in adverts, campaigns, etc.

Mals Marola
01-04-2015, 03:11 PM
some guy complained about his twitter account to me recently

there is no end

I'm Hardcore
01-04-2015, 04:06 PM
Moby is a vegetarian asshole

Sonic Johnny
01-04-2015, 08:52 PM
hahaha oh god... You would like Moby

You think bloodhound gang is funy and clever, your opinion very literally counts for absolutely nothing in the eyes of anyone, anywhere, ever.

Elphenor
01-04-2015, 11:42 PM
Moby is a vegetarian asshole

You don't like Moz either do you?

I love vegetarian assholes

Elphenor
01-04-2015, 11:45 PM
I don't know anything about Moby the person honestly. Just like the music.

Trotskilicious
01-05-2015, 02:30 AM
I love vegetarian assholes

i bet you do

Trotskilicious
01-05-2015, 02:32 AM
i don't have an opinion on moby because i am a dusty old rockist prick

Trotskilicious
01-05-2015, 02:32 AM
tho i feel like he's a small time version of bono

fuzzyroes
01-05-2015, 05:15 AM
You think bloodhound gang is funy and clever, your opinion very literally counts for absolutely nothing in the eyes of anyone, anywhere, ever.

It's funny how you go onto a Pumpkins board, try to belittle people with your vast musical tastes by name dropping MOBY:rofl:

Sonic Johnny listening to the soccer mom-EDM. how hip

Sonic Johnny
01-05-2015, 09:01 AM
You do realise I get paid $50/hr to find, select and play electronic music in clubs, right?

The exploding boy
01-05-2015, 09:06 AM
That's a good racket. I should get in on it.

slunken
01-05-2015, 02:03 PM
This popped up in my twitter feed.

http://www.invisiblegirl.co.uk/doc/The_Fall/4%20TheFallStagePlan.pdf

fuzzyroes
01-06-2015, 04:00 AM
You do realise I get paid $50/hr to find, select and play electronic music in clubs, right?

What, do you get like a 3 hour gig once every couple of months or something?:rofl:

I know so many people who fancy themselves as a DJ. Seems like such a bunk schtick... Any guy with a laptop, scratch pad and a system thinks they're a DJ, and a lot of these guys actually do land gigs here and there and make a little money.... by standing there playing music.

I can't wait until that whole fad dies off. If you're going to be a performer, at least make your own fucking music... Don't be lazy by playing someone elses track.

fuzzyroes
01-06-2015, 04:06 AM
I mean, I realize someones gotta play the music at the clubs and gauge the crowd response. It's a sweet gig, but it's not really some admirable talent. A lot of the music played at clubs is pretty much by the books anyways

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 04:53 AM
This popped up in my twitter feed.

http://www.invisiblegirl.co.uk/doc/The_Fall/4%20TheFallStagePlan.pdf

Mandatory 48 LARGE cans of lager and a bottle of scotch

Nice.

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 05:01 AM
Perverted by Language is supremely unappreciated even among Fall fans and I'm beginning to think it's 2nd only to Grotesque

That's my Fall opinion for the day

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 05:04 AM
What, do you get like a 3 hour gig once every couple of months or something?:rofl:

I know so many people who fancy themselves as a DJ. Seems like such a bunk schtick... Any guy with a laptop, scratch pad and a system thinks they're a DJ, and a lot of these guys actually do land gigs here and there and make a little money.... by standing there playing music.

I can't wait until that whole fad dies off. If you're going to be a performer, at least make your own fucking music... Don't be lazy by playing someone elses track.

"You know nothing about it!
It's not your domain
Don't confuse yourself with someone who has something to say"

Mark E. Smith

Cool As Ice Cream
01-06-2015, 05:20 AM
It's a sweet gig, but it's not really some admirable talent.

that's completely besides the point.

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 05:23 AM
http://i60.tinypic.com/1621pa9.jpg

I'm Hardcore
01-06-2015, 05:41 AM
This popped up in my twitter feed.

http://www.invisiblegirl.co.uk/doc/The_Fall/4%20TheFallStagePlan.pdf

ugh

I'm Hardcore
01-06-2015, 05:42 AM
it's a band, they're just people. demands like this are irrational

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 06:14 AM
It seems like pretty rational stuff to me, food and alcohol

Especially compared to some of the insane stuff rockstars are known to demand

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 06:25 AM
Moz and his demand for a 4-6 ft. sapling in his dressing room at every show comes to mind

The Stooges would demand absolutely hilarious things

fuzzyroes
01-06-2015, 07:01 AM
It is retarded. A bands getting paid good money to play a venue, can't they just bring in their own booze?

Cool As Ice Cream
01-06-2015, 07:08 AM
It is retarded. A bands getting paid good money to play a venue, can't they just bring in their own booze?

you're retarded.

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 07:09 AM
I don't understand why an artist who's making everybody involved a bunch a money can't tag on a few tour requests as a prerequisite for playing without being an asshole

Elphenor
01-06-2015, 07:14 AM
MES is someone who still has to sell albums to make it, he's not doing it just for fun. He was never rolling in it, and even went bankrupt in the 90's around the time he got arrested.