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juliana
03-16-2014, 10:59 AM
http://www.madamezuzus.com/blog/2014/3/16/what-you-missed-yesterday-musique-concrte

slunken
03-16-2014, 01:55 PM
Plunderphonics

Shallowed
03-16-2014, 05:51 PM
banging shit together makin noise and shit

slunken
03-16-2014, 06:24 PM
Tea shop music history smashing pumpkins fanbase 2014

Funbags
03-16-2014, 08:47 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Switched-On_Bach_first_sleeve_(seated_Bach).jpeg

Shallowed
03-16-2014, 08:48 PM
Here comes the drop

slunken
03-16-2014, 08:58 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Switched-On_Bach_first_sleeve_(seated_Bach).jpeg

ripe for photoshop - would make a great zuzu's <del>flyer</del> limited edition fine art print

T&T
03-17-2014, 12:36 AM
billy should follow in wendy's footsteps and get a sex change.

Tuscaloosa
03-17-2014, 12:41 PM
looking for ward to the sound clips slated for release today as per the announcement

Tuscaloosa
03-19-2014, 12:41 PM
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Tuscaloosa
03-19-2014, 02:59 PM
looks like a slow day for tea

amoergosum
03-19-2014, 03:06 PM
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>>>

Hilarious.

Araneae
03-19-2014, 09:43 PM
looks like a slow day for tea

Billy admits that the store is not turning in a profit...even after two years.

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=229511

Araneae
03-19-2014, 10:14 PM
I wonder how the business would have done had Billy not parted ways with his original partners. I'm guessing they differed in ideology.

I just don't see how this store is going to continue if it doesn't start turning a profit in the next year. Two years in the red is a very bad sign. It looks like a decent enough area, but I don't think Billy has a refined business acumen.

He can still take a DIY approach but he doesn't seem to want allow much outside influence or interaction. I think he could try and involve the community a lot more in the art aspect of the business, not just as the occasional gallery show but as local talented artists that can create art for the online shop. People will pay for great work. Problem is that Billy doesn't seem keen on paying people or cutting them a profit. It looks to me like he's running it as a personal hobby, like his own personal sandbox. I don't think that's conducive to building a successful atmosphere that people feel like they belong to and want to support.

Tuscaloosa
03-19-2014, 10:25 PM
his own personal sandbox

it's a metaphor

Araneae
03-19-2014, 10:38 PM
He is playing in the sand box, that's for sure.

slunken
03-19-2014, 11:59 PM
Can't wait for retarded smashing pumpkins fans to start making noise music and exclaim "I'm doing musique concrete!"

slunken
03-19-2014, 11:59 PM
Like all of a sudden everybody knows how to add an accent mark

Araneae
03-20-2014, 12:34 AM
Most people just call it noise music. Experimentation with noise music started off before this in the 1910's or 1920's by a bunch of avant-garde art groups around Europe. Seems unnecessary for him to even call the event musique concrete. I try to avoid calling Billy pretentious, but this would fit the bill.

Tuscaloosa
03-20-2014, 12:38 AM
Seems unnecessary for him to even call the event musique concrete.

it's a metaphor

slunken
03-20-2014, 01:26 AM
Most people just call it noise music. Experimentation with noise music started off before this in the 1910's or 1920's by a bunch of avant-garde art groups around Europe. Seems unnecessary for him to even call the event musique concrete. I try to avoid calling Billy pretentious, but this would fit the bill.

The part that gets me is that in the description that was given it's going to lead people who don't know any better to believe that the term is based around electronic music. I find that misleading, especially from a historical perspective which BC seems to be wanting to sell it as.

Also it's the Italian Futurists, to be specific, that you were referring to.

Araneae
03-20-2014, 01:42 AM
The part that gets me is that in the description that was given it's going to lead people who don't know any better to believe that the term is based around electronic music. I find that misleading, especially from a historical perspective which BC seems to be wanting to sell it as.

That's what I took it as, that Billy was trying to tie in his work to a historical perspective in order to legitimize it. It is misleading but I suppose that's what people get, too, for being fucking stupid and not broadening their horizons to anything beyond what Billy says or does.

Also it's the Italian Futurists, to be specific, that you were referring to.

That's right, the futurists. The dadaists were involved too, weren't they? I took a course ages ago where we had to listen to a few of their noise music works.

slunken
03-20-2014, 01:46 AM
The Dadaists worked mostly with spoken language as music composition but the Italian Futurists used objects for sounds.

Speaking very very generally.

Araneae
03-20-2014, 02:03 AM
oh yeah, that's right. It has been a while since I listened to any of that but, from what I do remember, Billy's attempts pale in comparison. But he seems pretty hell-bent on riding this wave noise experimentation that he's really into all of a sudden.

amoergosum
03-20-2014, 02:34 AM
Billy admits that the store is not turning in a profit...even after two years.

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=229511

>>>

And while he’s content now with just the Highland Park location, he sees a bright future — and an ever-changing menu of teas — for Madame ZuZu’s.

“We’re just getting started,” he said. “We’re headed in a really unique direction.”

http://alternativenation.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/billycorgandennisrodman.jpg

Trotskilicious
03-20-2014, 04:12 AM
I try to avoid calling Billy pretentious, but this would fit the bill.

why? he's practically the dictionary definition of it.


pre·ten·tious
priˈtenCHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

Trotskilicious
03-20-2014, 04:13 AM
i mean most of us know he didn't read siddhartha

that's like the perfect example of pretension. "I'm going to fuck around with synths for 8 hours set to this important book i always wanted to read because that's the kind of thing important artists like myself would do."

or like take his mindless rambling on alex jones. affecting greater importance and knowledge than he actually possesses.

pavementtune
03-20-2014, 04:34 AM
i mean most of us know he didn't read siddhartha

He is a Hesse "fan", I'm certain he knows Siddhartha
Which made this performance worse imo

Hesse, DJ Ivory Tower, "musique concrète" - you can call it pretentious, to me it looks like he's just trying to enjoy college life of any second semester arts student. He never had that, so he's toying around now.

Trotskilicious
03-20-2014, 04:37 AM
billy can't read

Cool As Ice Cream
03-20-2014, 12:08 PM
wow, the front page of sp.com even has a link to the zuzu shop now.

amoergosum
03-20-2014, 01:36 PM
wow, the front page of sp.com even has a link to the zuzu shop now.

Wow.
From left to right: HOME/ZUZU'S/TOUR/BAND/ALBUMS/TAFH REISSUE/STORE/COMMUNITY

Yep, it's THAT important to Billy.

Araneae
03-20-2014, 08:12 PM
why? he's practically the dictionary definition of it.
pre·ten·tious
priˈtenCHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

I just think a bit of pretension is necessary for an artist to survive, much like the ego, so I don't always view it as necessarily a bad thing.

or like take his mindless rambling on alex jones. affecting greater importance and knowledge than he actually possesses.

I find that he's more arrogant and self-righteous than pretentious when speaking about politics and morals (but maybe that's all just semantics). He lacks deep critical knowledge for most of the things he brings up, but what do you expect from a wealthy rock musician that is a self-proclaimed libertarian who thinks Ron Paul would have made a great president?

It's a lot of conspiracies and half-truths that he spouts off on, and he's well spoken which creates an air of deception for people who are even less knowledgeable on the subjects he brings up. It's hard to take Billy or Alex Jones seriously when they think quoting quacks on conspiracy websites and political blogs is legitimate research or journalism. Billy also seems to romanticize an American past that he never was a part of, if it even existed, and he carries this weird and unfounded belief that things are currently much worse politically and economically than they ever have been. The only thing I find really annoying about Billy's political views is that he just assumes that anyone who doesn't share his point of view isn't privy to the "truth" or, as Alex Jones loves to say, not "awake." They all do the same shit that they love to accuse other political parties of doing.

Trotskilicious
03-20-2014, 09:17 PM
I just think a bit of pretension is necessary for an artist to survive, much like the ego, so I don't always view it as necessarily a bad thing.


artists really shouldn't pretend to be more X then they actually are
in fact if, lets say a musician is affecting being more knowledgeable about music than he or she actually is then they are probably sucking at it

everything bill does is pretentious
when he talks about politics he doesn't know anything
when he fucks with synths he doesn't know what he's doing
and the biggest one
his bullshit about what the music industry is like and "rock today"

Trotskilicious
03-20-2014, 09:18 PM
i think the pop definition of pretentious is just someone who is condescending or arrogant rather than affecting a greater knowledge/importance than they have

and doesn't bill just affect greater importance all the time

Trotskilicious
03-20-2014, 09:19 PM
doesn't he say shit like he's one of the biggest rock stars in the world, still

that would be a definitively pretentious statement

Araneae
03-20-2014, 10:18 PM
artists really shouldn't pretend to be more X then they actually are
in fact if, lets say a musician is affecting being more knowledgeable about music than he or she actually is then they are probably sucking at it

everything bill does is pretentious
when he talks about politics he doesn't know anything
when he fucks with synths he doesn't know what he's doing
and the biggest one
his bullshit about what the music industry is like and "rock today"

I don't think he necessarily has to be an expert or even competent on any or all of those things to express himself. What I find pretentious is his lack in acknowledging his limitations and failures.

doesn't he say shit like he's one of the biggest rock stars in the world, still

that would be a definitively pretentious statement

Yeah, it is pretentious, but maybe he needs to hold on to that belief for him to even continue on with creating music.

Same thing goes for his business. He must believe his teashop is truly unique and special for him to even continue to run a business that has been in the red since its opening. His move to tie in his business with SP is just an extension of his desperation and refusal to recognize when something isn't quite working. What I find pretentious about this is his need to be some kind of polymath rather than admitting he needs help. It wouldn't hurt to have a proper manager and a feasible business plan. He can still have his unique art/studio space, if it's actually planned and run smartly, which it isn't right now. The local community just isn't buying into it, which is necessary for its long term survival, and most of his customers seem to be from out of town. At this point he seems to have given in to the notion of using SP and his name to sell tea's online and generate publicity for it, which I think just really denigrates the value of SP (not that many think there's anything left to denigrate).

amoergosum
03-21-2014, 03:26 PM
Here's a new clip.

Fucking.

Hilarious.

>>>

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TuralyonW3
03-21-2014, 08:38 PM
Nothing wrong or "hilarious" with noise music. The emptiess of the place is hilarious I guess.

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:40 PM
We need to come up with names for Billy's noise band stat

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:44 PM
William Corgan's Salad Days
Tea4Two
Brunch Daylight With The Fourth Mind
Rat In A Cage

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:44 PM
Teaf*cker

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:45 PM
Airplane Mode

Tuscaloosa
03-21-2014, 08:46 PM
there you go, that's the one

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:47 PM
it's all part of the process :smoke:

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:49 PM
If he calls his project that I would gain so much respect for the man.

pavementtune
03-21-2014, 08:50 PM
Airplane Mode

Perfect. That would also look nice on a tshirt.

TuralyonW3
03-21-2014, 08:51 PM
"Persephone's Clit"

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:52 PM
haha

slunken
03-21-2014, 08:53 PM
Roman Damage

reprise85
03-21-2014, 11:47 PM
Stimulus Tea

slunken
03-22-2014, 01:40 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:41 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:42 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:44 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:45 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:45 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:46 AM
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slunken
03-22-2014, 01:51 AM
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Trotskilicious
03-22-2014, 01:59 AM
Yeah, it is pretentious, but maybe he needs to hold on to that belief for him to even continue on with creating music. .

uhhhhh i think you'll find that his best music came before this, and not after

Araneae
03-22-2014, 09:46 AM
I'm just speculating that it might be a psychological crutch for him.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-25-2014, 03:03 AM
http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/#!AEGEA-RELEASE-PARTY-UPDATEWITH-DETAILS-ON-THE-RELEASE-OF-SINGLE-DISC-VERSION-AND-THE-INSTALLATION-OF-WPCS-MUSIQUE-CONCRETE/c7ba/B3D23F54-8BAB-4285-8B0B-D57476AB869D
AEGEA RELEASE PARTY UPDATE/WITH DETAILS ON THE RELEASE OF SINGLE-DISC VERSION AND THE INSTALLATION OF WPC’S ‘MUSIQUE CONCRETE’

July 24, 2014

Enter Madame Zuzu’s tomorrow from 6:30 on, and you’ll be greeted with a rare treat: the playing of WPC’S ‘MUSIQUE CONCRETE’ installation, fresh from it’s debut at Catland. And as a bonus, the work will be raffled off with the caveat that the pieces remain at Zuzu’s for at least a month.

http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/#!RAVINIA-TICKET-GIVEAWAY-ADDED-TO-ZUZUS-AEGEA-RELEASE-PARTY/c7ba/6A4FB3CD-15F9-4C88-A5E4-D3D0FB89E40D
RAVINIA TICKET GIVEAWAY ADDED TO ZUZU’S AEGEA RELEASE PARTY

July 24, 2014

Two pairs of tickets have been added to tonight’s raffle, as additional prizes to the planned giveaway of the lone copy of WPC’s ‘MUSIQUE CONCRETE’ installation, as well as AEGEA #501; the first press from edition 3; signed and personalized.
so there's one copy of "musique concrete" and they're giving it away.

Trotskilicious
07-25-2014, 03:45 AM
fresh from its debut at Catland






















he's an old cat lady, you guys

waz
07-25-2014, 04:03 AM
musique concrete was an art installation billy did a few months ago, nothing exciting

Trotskilicious
07-25-2014, 04:10 AM
<i>it debuted in Catland first</I>

Ram27
07-25-2014, 07:55 AM
I wonder how people in the 90s would react if we told them that Billy Corgan recently did an art installation and premiered his new experimental electronic music at Catland.

Shallowed
07-25-2014, 08:39 AM
They'd probably be like lol check out this guy he thinks he's from the future