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Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 02:21 PM
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Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 02:31 PM
My 87 Maxima that I recently bought for 600 bucks has been making some horrible noises lately.

There is this intermittent high pitched screeching noise coming from the right front area of my car. It is of constant pitch and intensity. When I first run the car it's fine, but once everything gets going after about 20 minutes, it starts. It seems to be related to the brakes because the sound will either stop or start when I apply the breaks (depending on what's happening at the time the brakes are applied). I topped off the break fluid (which was between the mix and max fill lines.

I jacked up the car and took the tire off and found no obvious problem visually, although admittedly I didn't know what to look for. I threw the car into neutral (emergency brake applied of course), and threw the wheel back on. I gave it a spin and heard a discernable grinding noise.

The part that concerns me is that it doesnt sound like worn down pads or rotors and I fear I might be doing some expensive damage Just wondering what else to look for if I jack it up again.

Tuscaloosa
02-04-2014, 02:38 PM
continue to take it apart

Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 02:39 PM
ill take you apart

duovamp
02-04-2014, 03:27 PM
Might be your pads are low or might be you have some debris stuck between the caliper and the rotor. Sometimes it pops out on its own or gets ground down to nothing. It's not an extremely expensive or difficult job, maybe a few hundred bucks.

Could also be a wheel bearing.

Starla
02-04-2014, 03:28 PM
It could be the rotor. I had this problem with my truck.

duovamp
02-04-2014, 03:28 PM
If you let any wheel spin freely and turn it by hand, you're going to hear a slight rubbing sound. The pads are always touching the rotor, basically, but they just aren't pushing against them very hard.

scottytheoneand
02-04-2014, 03:48 PM
your flux capacitor is probably out of alignment. You need to check it with a hyper spanner and make sure it's calibrated to the correct polarity.

Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 04:07 PM
If you let any wheel spin freely and turn it by hand, you're going to hear a slight rubbing sound. The pads are always touching the rotor, basically, but they just aren't pushing against them very hard.
really? that seems...counterintuitive. wouldn't any amount of friction contribute to them wearing down?

Order 66
02-04-2014, 04:08 PM
how many miles is on it, out of curiosity? i thought i was pushing it with my last car, which was a 98 4 runner. that thing was falling apart all over the place in its last days. the thought of driving an 87 maxima is mindblowing to me, but i guess it''d be doable if the mileage was low

Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 04:09 PM
Might be your pads are low or might be you have some debris stuck between the caliper and the rotor. Sometimes it pops out on its own or gets ground down to nothing. It's not an extremely expensive or difficult job, maybe a few hundred bucks.

Could also be a wheel bearing.
does this require any new parts, because i have some friends who have done their own brakes before and I might be able to resolve this on my own with their guidance.

Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 04:13 PM
how many miles is on it, out of curiosity? i thought i was pushing it with my last car, which was a 98 4 runner. that thing was falling apart all over the place in its last days. the thought of driving an 87 maxima is mindblowing to me, but i guess it''d be doable if the mileage was low
mileage at the time i bought it was 190k, which for a 27 year old car is kind of amazing. there was an oil change sticker on the windshield that said "next oil change on 06/01/2004 or 140,000 miles." so it seems it's been driven rather gingerly its whole life.

i try to baby it and not let the tech get over 3500 rpms, take her easy over speed bumps, avoid taking turns too quickly.

she's got no a/c and the sun roof has been sealed with bathroom caulk, but doesn't leak even in the torrential downpours we had within the past month.

i believe there is also a grounding issue that causes the lights to be really dim, but i ouldn't know the first place to look to resolve that.

duovamp
02-04-2014, 07:12 PM
really? that seems...counterintuitive. wouldn't any amount of friction contribute to them wearing down?

Yes, but it's barely enough to touch them. Plus the brakes don't really have an action that pushes them back. You compress them and nothing pulls them back away from the rotor. It's just a hydraulic cylinder.

duovamp
02-04-2014, 07:14 PM
does this require any new parts, because i have some friends who have done their own brakes before and I might be able to resolve this on my own with their guidance.

Super easy, to be honest. Pop off the wheel, remove 3 bolts that hold the caliper in place, yank out the old pads, pop the new pads in, then reassemble. Rotors are very easy to service. If you have to replace the rotor, then it's usually just another 2 bolts. Simple design.

You'll need probably 2 sockets, a 14mm and whatever the lug nuts are, 17 or 19mm. You will need a C Clamp to compress the piston back into the rotor. http://www.amazon.com/Great-Neck-21012-Essentials-C-Clamp/dp/B003VPAEYS/ref=lp_553150_1_23?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1391563026&sr=1-23

duovamp
02-04-2014, 07:19 PM
If it's the wheel bearing, you'll have to take it to a shop to press it out.

slunken
02-04-2014, 07:43 PM
Upon reading the first post about high screeching from front the first thing I thought of was the fan belt.
Brakes will squeel and grind but a belt will screech.

Also re: dim lights how fresh is the battery

Starla
02-04-2014, 08:03 PM
See if your battery terminals need cleaning. Dim lights could be fuses or alternator. You can get the battery tested before buying a new one.

Starla
02-04-2014, 08:06 PM
<-- dealing with a transmission issue with mine. I've had it looked at and they say it's not the transmission but I don't know what else it could be. It shifts out really hard when I take off at a low speed, and hangs in neutral for a moment. A transmission specialist is going to cost me :[

duovamp
02-04-2014, 08:21 PM
Once the car gets started and is running, it's really about the alternator not the battery. If it starts fine, the battery is fine.

Bread Regal
02-04-2014, 08:23 PM
Super easy, to be honest. Pop off the wheel, remove 3 bolts that hold the caliper in place, yank out the old pads, pop the new pads in, then reassemble. Rotors are very easy to service. If you have to replace the rotor, then it's usually just another 2 bolts. Simple design.

You'll need probably 2 sockets, a 14mm and whatever the lug nuts are, 17 or 19mm. You will need a C Clamp to compress the piston back into the rotor. http://www.amazon.com/Great-Neck-21012-Essentials-C-Clamp/dp/B003VPAEYS/ref=lp_553150_1_23?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1391563026&sr=1-23
looking at some videos on youtube, it does look like a pretty simple process. think i'm gonna go down to this place http://dityautorepair.com/ and take a looksie and maybe change my oil while im at it.

Tuscaloosa
02-04-2014, 08:27 PM
look-see

duovamp
02-04-2014, 08:27 PM
You can definitely do it, and it shouldn't take any more than an afternoon if it's the first time you're breaking those bolts loose in a while.

Future Boy
02-04-2014, 08:38 PM
wipe the HD, install XP

Trotskilicious
02-04-2014, 09:06 PM
i think that you probably need to unplug it

slunken
02-04-2014, 11:22 PM
If it starts fine, the battery is fine.

PROBLEM SOLVED

slunken
02-04-2014, 11:23 PM
it's really about the alternator not the battery.

Yea i think worst case scenario this is what the problem is

slunken
02-04-2014, 11:25 PM
http://brandeducationservices.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Tire-Kicking.jpg

Bread Regal
02-05-2014, 11:48 AM
i have another issue with the maxima too. apparently its a luxury model, and it has a digital instrument cluster that stopped working last week. there are a bunch of them available on ebay, but i don't want to take off the dash if i don't have to. checked the fuses under the dash that <i>might</i> be associated with it and they all seem to be fine.

it's not absolutely mission critical, but it would be nice to know how much gas is in the tank

Tuscaloosa
02-05-2014, 12:25 PM
hm, hearing you mention the fuses makes me think that you might want to consider a re-volt ballast. they're available at wal-mart and definitely any auto parts place. sometimes the grommet lozenge can work itself out from under the cluster, simply due to minor vibrations of the frame over time. now, the belt may or may not be the cause here, but it never hurts to remove it altogether and give it a light spritzing of cod liver oil before before disposal.

Trotskilicious
02-05-2014, 12:29 PM
dogfucker?

duovamp
02-05-2014, 12:46 PM
i have another issue with the too. apparently its a luxury model, and it has a digital instrument cluster that stopped working last week. there are a bunch of them available on ebay, but i don't want to take off the dash if i don't have to. checked the fuses under the dash that <i>might</i> be associated with it and they all seem to be fine.

it's not absolutely mission critical, but it would be nice to know how much gas is in the tank

Are all your readouts dead, or just fuel level?

I'd lean toward it being a fuse tbh. You should have a box inside the footwell area, and one under the hood. If you can find a fuse guide for it, it'll tell you which one specifically controls your gauges. Do your fans blow? Do your dash lights come on?

If it's just the fuel level, it could be too much resistance in the circuit and it isn't sending the proper signal from the tank to your needle.

Trotskilicious
02-05-2014, 01:27 PM
fuse, anyone?

Bread Regal
02-05-2014, 02:14 PM
it's the entire instrument cluster. oil pressure/temp/fuel/voltage/tach/speed.

had no idea there was a whole other fusebox under the hood. going outside right now to check it.

Bread Regal
02-05-2014, 02:16 PM
where under the hood should i be looking for this thing by the way.

Bread Regal
02-05-2014, 02:30 PM
im gonna take a vacuum cleaner to this shit soon, by the way. there's dead plant matter everywhere inside this thing.

Trotskilicious
02-05-2014, 03:41 PM
turns out fuse was the first band of which midwestern pop rockers

slunken
02-05-2014, 04:44 PM
where under the hood should i be looking for this thing by the way.

Near the battery

duovamp
02-05-2014, 08:30 PM
Does your car have an aftermarket stereo btw? Some fuses go bad over time, other times there's a short in the system that causes them to blow. Aftermarket stereo wiring can do that if it didn't get completed perfectly.

The consensus seems to be that the fuse for it is located in the fuse box inside the car, not in the fuse box under the hood. So check the fuse box inside the footwell again, specifically the one for TAIL LAMP and ROOM LAMP. They may both be wired through your dash lights.

http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/SamC/2010-12-01_210441_photo.jpg

If your fuse diagram doesn't look exactly like that, search for those two fuses anyhow and yank them to make sure the little wire inside isn't broken.

slunken
02-05-2014, 08:40 PM
and make sure you cut your hand on something

Bread Regal
02-05-2014, 08:52 PM
yes, there is an aftermarket cd player which currently works fine. although given my limited knowledge of circuits (kirchoff's laws) if these systems are wired in parallel and the aftermarket head has a higher resistance, i can see how that would increase the current through the other systems.

i'll get a flashlight and report back

slunken
02-05-2014, 09:27 PM
remember nothing stops infection like a greasy rag

Bread Regal
02-09-2014, 01:13 PM
riluoassc!

long time no see!

redbreegull
02-09-2014, 02:05 PM
car problems commiseration

car keeps intermittently refusing to start. It's not the battery cause all the electrical stuff comes on fine. I just had the alternator replaced last summer so I guess it must be the starter... when I turn the key, there is no sound of the engine turning over or anything, it's just dead. However, sometimes it turns on fine. I had an ostensibly identical issue with this car in 2009. It repeatedly stranded me places, sometime failing to start for hours. I paid for it to be towed 3 times but every time they got it to the shop it started fine and I was told there was nothing they could do if they couldn't replicate the problem. Indescribably frustrating. They finally caught the issue and determined it was the solenoid, and replaced the starter. I can't even believe the same thing is happening again fml.

Order 66
02-09-2014, 02:18 PM
buying a car brand new is the best decision i've ever made. i mean, i'm pretty much dead broke because of the monthly note, but man its nice not worrying about these things. for now.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 08:39 PM
that's weird because buying a brand new car was probably the worst decision i've ever made. i would rather have a beater that i can take care of personally without being gouged once a month on payments and gap insurance.

the problem that inspired this thead is happening 50% of the time now and still with the same behavior (either stops or starts when applying the brakes). I finally got some cash in my pocket today so I'm gonna go rent a hydraulic lift tomorrow and get under her to see what's going on there. gonna do an oil change too. the last owner left a set of sparkplugs in the back too, so i might go ahead and replace those tomorrow as well.

it's kind of exciting.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 08:41 PM
IMO buying a new car is completely fucking stupid. Buy slightly used and save thousands and thousands of dollars

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 08:49 PM
and never from a dealership.

Order 66
02-11-2014, 08:59 PM
i was going to buy used but they didn't have any used civics in black and i needed a car asap. i initially didn't give a shit that the new ones have bluetooth but now i don't know how i ever got by without it.. zomg life is so easier

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 09:00 PM
you can buy slightly used (like 1 year old) cars from some rental agencies for really good prices

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 09:01 PM
i was going to buy used but they didn't have any used civics in black and i needed a car asap. i initially didn't give a shit that the new ones have bluetooth but now i don't know how i ever got by without it.. zomg life is so easier

I'm sure it was worth the many paychecks you wasted

Eulogy
02-11-2014, 09:02 PM
wait so what happened to the car that got towed? did you just cut your losses?

duovamp
02-11-2014, 09:13 PM
you can buy slightly used (like 1 year old) cars from some rental agencies for really good prices

NOBODY DO THIS.

Eulogy
02-11-2014, 09:17 PM
i drove a formal rental car for a little over a year. no automatic anything. but i loved it. :love:

a nice silver mazda 3. didn't have any problems....... but that may have been because i only had it for that long.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 09:23 PM
slightly used ... from some rental agencies

the intersection of those two sets is null.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 09:23 PM
NULL

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 09:24 PM
http://wthybrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/NS-cover.jpg

Trotskilicious
02-11-2014, 10:01 PM
the intersection of those two sets is null.

silly kids think used cars are determined by years

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:22 PM
yeah, if only someone could invent a way to measure how many miles a car has actually traveled




idiots

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 10:34 PM
why would you want to have a car where the people driving it have zero incentive to preserve its longevity.

why would a rental agency sell a car that's only 1 year old.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:34 PM
I got my 2007 Focus in August 2007. It had been rented for 9 months and had 30 k on it. Near-new condition except for a stain on the back seat. $10 k, blim blam motherfuckers.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:37 PM
.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:37 PM
why would you want to have a car where the people driving it have zero incentive to preserve its longevity.

why would a rental agency sell a car that's only 1 year old.

1. carfax.com, there's no reason you should have to not know what has happened to a vehicle you are purchasing

2. because they make insane amounts of money off it. selling to individuals is only an afterthought to the staggeringly profitable practice of selling vast numbers of automobiles to used dealers

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 10:38 PM
wait so is it staggeringly profitable to you or them.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:38 PM
them. Rental companies turn mind boggling numbers on selling slightly used cars to dealerships

I mean obviously it's not profitable for me, I spent money on a car. It's just that if I bought the same used car elsewhere I would have paid 14-16 k


I'm just trying to say there are good alternatives to buying new, which is profoundly stupid unless you really have the money to blow and just don't give a shit.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:42 PM
of course you aren't wrong, there is a chance that you'll get a car with something wrong with it that wasn't fixed properly or was never addressed or something like that. Mine came with a 2 year lemon warranty and some other stuff. free roadside for a year blah blah. I only found out about all this because I have a family member who works for Enterprise, which is a totally evil corporation, but a cheap place to buy a car

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 10:43 PM
also mileage is decieving on a car like that. a carfax isn't going to tell you whether it sat i idle for 1000 cumulative hours in the arrivals terminal (it did). the odometer isn't going to tell you when someone put it in neutral and redlined it forever. when people have a car for three days that they will never see again, they' likely to drive it like a teenager.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 10:44 PM
same goes with old cop cars.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 10:45 PM
i mean you're lucky, but if there's anything i learned, it's to not buy any car, new or used, from a corporation. it is too much of a gamble if you don't have substantial wealth.

Trotskilicious
02-11-2014, 10:47 PM
I doubt any of us were arguing for new, just not that used.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 10:50 PM
except order 66. burn the witch.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 10:52 PM
sorry guys I do not care enough to argue this with you, but you are not correct about your intuitive judgements of the risk of buying from a rental agency versus anywhere else. like I already pointed out, huge numbers of cars from used dealerships come from places like Enterprise anyway. you can research it if you want, it's a safe practice and pays off monetarily.

Is it safe to buy a used car from a rental company? (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+it+safe+to+buy+a+used+car+from+a+rental+comp any%3F)

Trotskilicious
02-11-2014, 10:58 PM
Man this fuckin guy

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 11:00 PM
that's ok, you can hang on to your preconceived idea of the dangers of buying from a rental agency, I will hold on to my 5,000 fucking dollars

Order 66
02-11-2014, 11:01 PM
except order 66. burn the witch.

b... but bluetooth

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 11:10 PM
2007 ford focus MSRP was 13k-17k depending on the options. at most you shaved about 40% of the price off by buying a car with an unknown driving history beyond accident/salvage information, from a company who is interested in offloading the vehicle as soon as possible, with half the miles under factory warranty driven off by an unknown number of drivers.

that's not my idea of an awesome deal. the number of unknowns in that situation pose too great a risk to make it seem worthwhile.

Trotskilicious
02-11-2014, 11:11 PM
well he's only had it for a year or two let him think he's real clever

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 11:12 PM
that's ok, you can hang on to your preconceived idea of the dangers of buying from a rental agency, I will hold on to my 5,000 fucking dollars
you know if we're comparing savings, i paid 600 dollars for my car so i will instead hold onto my 9,400 fucking dollars (that i dont have)

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 11:12 PM
well he's only had it for a year or two let him think he's real clever
he said he had it six years, but i'm going to say it's an outlier.

Trotskilicious
02-11-2014, 11:13 PM
oh i kind of skim

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 11:15 PM
a person with 0 posts who registered today is viewing this thread.

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 11:15 PM
can't wait to see what they're going to contribute, since they obviously registered specifically for this one thread.

redbreegull
02-11-2014, 11:20 PM
yep, your guys intuition is so fullproof you don't even NEED to actually look it up on the internet, you just fucking KNOW you're right

Bread Regal
02-11-2014, 11:21 PM
foolproof? no. minimizing risks associated with car purchases? absolutely.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 01:28 AM
ok

Starla
02-12-2014, 02:17 AM
This one time I went to check out an 83 volvo I found on craigs. I took my co worker with me because I thought he knew something about cars. I got there and was greeted by a very friendly guy from ( not going to say so I don't appear racist) who didn't want to let me test drive, but to sit next to him and let him drive it. I said never mind, so he agreed to let me drive it.

I drove it around for awhile and he said "okay you're burning all the gas so we'll go back now" and I said I wanted to take it out onto the freeway. Then he started to get nervous and said he didn't have time. It's always been in my experience that if someone is covering engine problems up, that it will come out when I take it on the highway.

All the way to 580 he kept shifting around in his seat, looking at his watch, etc. Once I get on the freeway, he's like, "after a mile get off on the next exit". I hit the gas, and all of the sudden it starts smoking. I'm like.... yep, there you go. And as we drove back he goes "what did you do to my car?" and shouted some obscenities while my friend in the back was laughing.

So we get it back to his place and as I start walking away he goes "wait a minute, make me an offer and it's yours" and I'm like "no thanks" and he keeps asking me to make an offer and I said "okay, $50". Then he pulls my co worker aside and says "don't listen to your wife, she doesn't know what she's doing here"

The second car I went to see was a toyota corolla and the trunk lid was wired down with bungee cord. As soon as the guy came outside of his apartment ( he was only in boxers and a t shirt) to talk to me about it, he said "give me $500 and it's yours" and I said "what about the trunk?" and he says "don't worry about that you don't really need it"...

That's the last time i ever went through craigs.

Starla
02-12-2014, 02:29 AM
I have never owned a brand new car. My student loan payments are too high.

duovamp
02-12-2014, 09:18 AM
"What's the fastest car you ever drove?"
"A rental."

Never had a rental car I didn't try to take off a jump or off-road.

duovamp
02-12-2014, 09:22 AM
Buy a car that has had 200 owners in the last year, all of whom didn't give a fuck? Sign me up!

Something to think about: https://www.google.com/search?q=rental+car+nitrous&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

Future Boy
02-12-2014, 09:36 AM
blim blam motherfuckers

Cool As Ice Cream
02-12-2014, 09:45 AM
Original ad:
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Hey, how's it going.

I'm a mechanic looking to do some work on the side, and I can probably help you out with your car. How bad is the damage to the car?

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From Kristen ****** to Me:

Hi Mike. The damage isnt bad...my hood is bent and i think the headlight cracked...but I took it for an estimate and they told me i was looking at at least a couple thousand for repairs. im not sure if they are trying to rip me off so take a look if you want. sorry...this is the best picture i could get with my phone

thanks!

Attachment:
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From Me to Kristen ******:

Ouch...that doesn't look good, Kristen. From glancing at the picture, it is obvious you are going to need a new hood, fender, and headlight. It looks like your headlight is indeed cracked, and it looks like you probably severed the headlight fluid line as well. From the way the hood is bent, it looks like your transmission has been dislodged and will probably have to be replaced. Judging by the headlight damage, I may have to replace your headlight fluid pump as well, and I need to take out the motor to get to that. It is going to be a lot of work.

How much were you looking to spend to get this fixed?

From Kristen ****** to Me:

wow i didnt think it was that bad...do you think you can fix it? i cant afford to spend alot of money on this.

From Me to Kristen ******:

I can absolutely fix it. I can probably steal the parts you'll need from a junkyard, but you will have to post my bail if I get caught again. Last time, bail was about $400 and I had to pay another $500 fine after court. As for the labor, it is going to cost you about $1500. Replacing the headlight fluid pump is very difficult, and will probably take a lot of time to do. So you are looking at anywhere from $1500 to $2400.

From Kristen ****** to Me:

ok thanks anyway. that is too much for me...ill just deal with it for now i guess

From Me to Kristen ******:

Kristen, I strongly advise you to get this fixed immediately. You will not pass inspection without a headlight fluid pump, and it is very dangerous to be driving without one. It is very likely that your car could catch fire and explode while you are driving.

Look, I understand you are on a budget and I'd be willing to knock a couple hundred bucks off of the cost of labor if I can have your car's CD player. You won't get a better deal anywhere else.

From Kristen ****** to Me:

what?! the other guy didnt say anything like that. im going to get a few more opinions first, ill let you know. thanks

From Me to Kristen ******:

Don't take too long - your car is in immediate danger.

From Kristen ****** to Me:

I just called the auto center and they said there is no such thing as a headlight fluid pump...or headlight fluid...they were laughing...what is your problem douche bag?

From Me to Kristen ******:

Whoever you talked to there obviously has no idea what they are talking about. Look, you can see it in the picture, you are clearly leaking headlight fluid. I pointed it out in the attachment, it is what the red arrow is pointing to. You can see it leaking from the headlight.

Attachment:
http://i59.tinypic.com/a0ud7r.jpg

From Kristen ****** to Me:

Ok ass hole...thanks for wasting my time

From Me to Kristen ******:

Sorry for trying to save your life. You'll be sorry when that fluid ignites and makes your transmission explode while you are driving.

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Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 01:12 PM
glad duovamps on my side on this one

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 01:30 PM
so i got under the car today and i think i made a silly mistake that needs to be addressed soon-ish.

i watched some tutorials online that advised to remove the caliper. it was a fucking bitch to loosen those bolts but they gave way eventually. three bolts. i checked the pads and they were pretty seriously worn down with some huge deep grooves. same with the rotor (which iguess i should have noticed before putting it up on the lift.

the mistake i think i made involved removing the brake line as well so i could inspect the piston (which looked fine). i pinched the brake line beforehand to avoid dripping the shit everywhere. i reattched everything as before and now the brake is much spongier than before. a cursory googling tells me that there is likely to be air in the brake line now, which makes sense...i guess? its not immediately obvious to me how one could avoid getting air in there, and if there is air in their, shouldn't it just rise to the top of the resevoir?

overall it was a fun time. the staff at the place was super nice and helpful and answering my dumb questions. totally chill atmosphere.

duovamp
02-12-2014, 01:37 PM
It might not rise to the top of the reservoir, but if you lost fluid, you need to add some to make up for it. That'll have an immediate impact on your pedal feel.

It'll rise to a high point in the line, but if the line goes down at any point after that, it'll stay where it was. It's probably just low on fluid. Should be a couple bucks for a half quart of it. If you get some at an auto parts store, they'll make sure you have the right kind.

Glad the people there were cool. It always helps to have a second set of eyes or hands when doing this stuff.

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 01:47 PM
i did top it off when i was done and it's still rather spongey. my basic knowedge of hydraulic systems is this:

fluid revevoir -> pump -> control valve -> brakes

am i wrong in assuming that if there is any residual air between brake piston and the pump, this would cause the sponginess and it is possible that the air isn't making back up it beyond the pump?

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 02:41 PM
Buy a car that has had 200 owners in the last year, all of whom didn't give a fuck? Sign me up!

Something to think about: https://www.google.com/search?q=rental+car+nitrous&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

I'll pay attention when one of you actually does as I have suggested and look up some information about the liability of buying a used rental instead of just assuming your intuition is ironclad

duovamp
02-12-2014, 05:51 PM
i did top it off when i was done and it's still rather spongey. my basic knowedge of hydraulic systems is this:

fluid revevoir -> pump -> control valve -> brakes

am i wrong in assuming that if there is any residual air between brake piston and the pump, this would cause the sponginess and it is possible that the air isn't making back up it beyond the pump?

If there's any air in the system, that air is going to compress a lot more than the hydraulic fluid.

When you replace the pads, it's always recommended you bleed the brakes too. That fluid gets extremely hot, and after enough heat cycles it loses its compressive strength. So bleed it out when you toss new pads on and you should be good. There are tons of guides for doing it, and it's 500 times easier if you have a buddy working with you to pump the brakes while you add fluid to the reservoir. Make sure you have an empty plastic water bottle handy and you should be good to go.

sppunk
02-12-2014, 06:00 PM
Buying a new car is fine if you have the cash. Buying a rental is pretty dumb, but if you're poor and are in desperate need of a car I guess you do what you have to do.

Eulogy
02-12-2014, 06:33 PM
i feel like a bad NASCAR fan for not really knowing anything about cars : /

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 06:37 PM
the internal combustion engine alone is a remarkable feat of engineering, to say the least. the supporting mechanical systems in the drive train are also incredible when you think about them, because it's all one part simplicity one part ingenuity.

sppunk
02-12-2014, 06:45 PM
the internal combustion engine alone is a remarkable feat of engineering, to say the least. the supporting mechanical systems in the drive train are also incredible when you think about them, because it's all one part simplicity one part ingenuity.

Cars are really fascinating to me because of the complexity like you mentioned. I'm not mechanically inclined at all so can't/don't work on them but the machinery is nuts. Our vehicle's 4wd system is called Quotro or whatever and it alone is insane how it works. Mix in the fuel system, the cars featuring constant variable transmissions, emission limitations, etc. it is awesome. It's why I'm in love with airplanes and boats, too.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:04 PM
Buying a new car is fine if you have the cash. Buying a rental is pretty dumb, but if you're poor and are in desperate need of a car I guess you do what you have to do.

I'll pay attention when one of you actually does as I have suggested and look up some information about the liability of buying a used rental instead of just assuming your intuition is ironclad.

duovamp
02-12-2014, 08:17 PM
ICEs are amazing, and one of my favorite things to study. Especially when they don't have pistons. Even the difference between 2 and 4 stroke engines is awesome. It's amazing how many ways there are to compress air, add fuel to it, then blow it up.

I also love how some engines are naturally perfectly balanced, or some naturally have a tertiary imbalance.

Speaking of drivetrains, my last car had a clutch-type limited-slip differential in the back, and I bought this car with an open diff. Finding out what kind if diff I wanted and putting it in was an awesome learning opportunity. Ended up with a Quaife (torque sensing) diff and I love it. The hard part was getting the backlash within a thousandth (!) of an inch.

Cars are fun. If you're a nerd, they can be really exciting toys to mess with.

sppunk
02-12-2014, 08:25 PM
.

Your fatal flaw is focusing on buying and not owning.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:35 PM
k, I'll just wait for you to back that up

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 08:38 PM
dude duovamp is pretty unfuckwithable on this subject so you lost man

killtrocity
02-12-2014, 08:41 PM
RBG you keep saying "look up liability information" as if it's freely disclosed by the rental agency, as if the rental agency even knows what people do with their cars. You're going with your intuition here as much as anyone else, perhaps moreso considering you just shelled out some cash for a rental car. Sometimes logic is better than Google.


This is fucking funny :D
Top 5 Fun Things to do in a Rental Car Rent. Insure. Blast.

1. Nitrous. The quickest, easiest way to add 40 wheel hp to anything.
2. Tray Sliding. Take 2 trays from your local fast food joint, put them under the rear wheels, pull the E-brake and let it rip.
3. Off Roading or Rally X. Off-roading is a given, but rental cars are commonly used as an alternative to one's own car while learning to drive in Rally X.
4. Street Jumping. If getting dirty isn't your thing, do it in the street. Usually you'll find the best jumps disguised as parking lot entrances, large speed bumps and split level property connectors.
5. Burnouts. Duh, you don't have to pay for the new tires the car will need when you're done with it. Light 'em up to your heart's content.

Read more: http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/editorial/htup_0607_rent_race_return/#ixzz2tAMzDfpp

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:44 PM
as the only one who isn't basing my opinion entirely on preconceived feelings, I'm gonna go ahead and say no, I did not lose. I got a car in near-new condition and saved a lot of money. again, just type in is it safe to buy a rental car on google and read the analyses that come up on the first page.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:45 PM
RBG you keep saying "look up liability information as if it's freely disclosed by the rental agency, as if the rental agency even knows what people do with their cars. You're going with your intuition here as much as anyone else, perhaps moreso considering you just shelled out some cash for a rental car. Sometimes logic is better than Google.


"logic"

duovamp
02-12-2014, 08:48 PM
Bam's so delightfully trashy in this one.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/DOKz_MZluew" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:49 PM
I mean if it's so logical that buying former rental is a patently bad idea, surely a lot of people who write for auto blogs, auto mags, etc. must have also come to that self-evident conclusion, right? Hence making it really easy to find lots of opinions from people with ethos on the subject to back you up. Right?

killtrocity
02-12-2014, 08:53 PM
Let's look at what we know. All other things being equal:

1)rental cars are exposed to several orders of magnitude more drivers of varying driving styles than cars owned by individuals. Some of these individuals may drive the car in a manner which damages it over time. This is a statistical reality and has nothing to do with anybody's knowledge of cars.

2)there are some people who abuse the shit out of rental cars, therefore it is possible that your car has been raced, off-roaded, redlined, drifted, etc. The fact that this was not disclosed to you at the time of purchase does not mean that it did not occur. In fact, the agency has a vested interested in withholding this information if it does know for certain that such acts occurred.

3)even if a rental driver doesn't consciously abuse their rental, there is less incentive to drive the vehicle in a manner which preserves it functionality


On top of our expert testimonial, I think I'm done devoting any more thought to this issue. Do some rentals work out? Sure. Some people probably fuck hookers raw and don't get any STDs.

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 08:53 PM
as the only one who isn't basing my opinion entirely on preconceived feelings, I'm gonna go ahead and say no, I did not lose. I got a car in near-new condition and saved a lot of money. again, just type in is it safe to buy a rental car on google and read the analyses that come up on the first page.
that's funny because the first page of results imply no.

like killtrocity said, do you think there's a database of epirical data that would answer this for us? if there is,it's probably inaccessible to plebians like you and me. all i'm saying is consider human nature. ever shower in someone else's house and use 5 times as much shampoo than you would if it were your own? the same psychology comes into play when people rent cars. they have no incentive to drive the car well so they don't.

rental cars have no way of knowing if their patrons:
excessively redline the engine
ride with both feet on the pedals in an automatic
haul ass over speed bumps
etc

so why do rental companies sell their cars after a year in service? it's because they start to deteriorate in the second year, by which time the factory drivetrain warranty will have expired. if you're going to ignore human nature in assesing the risk of buying from a rental agency, you do so at your own peril.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:56 PM
I'm on the third page of results, perusing each one, ratio is about 4-1 in terms of opinions being that rental cars are not generally any more dangerous than any other used purchase. Sorry guys, you are wrong.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:57 PM
oh there are some people who are very against it, but over half of them are guys on message boards like you with no evidence

duovamp
02-12-2014, 08:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+car&sm=3

Let's say one out of 250 people in the US treats cars like shit. A rental car has hundreds of owners. A used or leased vehicle has... maybe 2 or 3, possibly even 4. When you have more owners, your chances of having a bad owner increase. And at least when you buy a car used, you can either buy it from the owner, or have some way of knowing the vehicle's history.

Also people do NOT treat rental cars like they treat their own cars, as stated earlier. In every case study since the ancient Romans humans have proven that when they collectively own something, they treat it worse. And that's what a rental car is. It's the hooker of the car world. If you want to get in a long term relationship with a hooker, by all means. That hooker might have a heart of gold and be dead reliable. Maybe that hooker was treated very well.

If I were a betting man, which I'm not, I wouldn't count on it.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 08:59 PM
so why do rental companies sell their cars after a year in service? it's because they start to deteriorate in the second year, by which time the factory drivetrain warranty will have expired. if you're going to ignore human nature in assesing the risk of buying from a rental agency, you do so at your own peril.


they sell them because of the profit doofus, some Enterprise branches make more money off auto sales than rentals. I'm arguing with a bunch of people who literally have never researched or read anything on this topic but are sure they are correct because they understand human nature. You're using heuristics to come to these conclusions

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 09:03 PM
if you really want to argue at a high school level, how many people do you know that bought rental cars and had them fell apart? I know several other people who bought rental cars and none of them have thus far had problems unusual for the age and mileage of the vehicle

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 09:07 PM
but you know, just give it time. I'm sure when my car hits 200,000 miles the abuse it suffered in its infancy will finally catch up to and prove you guys right

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 09:13 PM
oh there are some people who are very against it, but over half of them are guys on message boards like you with no evidence
then show me the evidence that's in your favor. i mean really. if it's there, show me the mountains of evidence.

duovamp
02-12-2014, 09:15 PM
but you know, just give it time. I'm sure when my car hits 200,000 miles the abuse it suffered in its infancy will finally catch up to and prove you guys right

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1o8f7IQZi1rroq53o1_1280.png

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 09:31 PM
.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 09:31 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 09:34 PM
well jb looks like we got ourselves a funnyjunk meme instead of mountains of evidence

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 09:37 PM
burden of proof is on you.

Know Your Meme – Rustled My Jimmies (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-really-rustled-my-jimmies)

On April 12th, 2012, Modesto, California resident James Ferrario shot dead a uniformed deputy police officer and a locksmith who had come to evict him from his house. He then barricaded himself inside, and caused a standoff with local law enforcement.[13] Shortly thereafter, a troll posted an AMA thread on 4chan’s /b/ board, claiming to be Ferrario.[14] The news of the standoff was quickly picked up by Sacramento FOX affiliate KTXL Fox 40.[13] A reporter made the mistake of featuring the aforementioned /b/ thread, and claimed that Ferrario had a gorilla fetish (due to numerous Jimmies-related images being posted), saying that he called himself “Jimmy Russel” or “Jimmy Rustle.” Once /b/ got word of this, Jimmies jokes exploded over the thread, and spread across the site.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 09:47 PM
you really fucking suck at this, from the same source, at the top, like i wouldn't read it:

The phrase originates from FunnyJunk. On June 16th, 2010, an image macro of a frowning gorilla with the overlaid text “That really rustled my jimmies” was posted by an anonymous user who has currently deactivated his account.[23] On July 18th, 2012, the image had an overall score of over 100 with nearly 7000 views. The original photograph of the gorilla can be found in a Flickr post titled “nors”[7] uploaded by Frank Wouters on July 4th, 2007.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 09:59 PM
you really fucking suck at this, from the same source, at the top, like i wouldn't read it:

The phrase originates from FunnyJunk. On June 16th, 2010, an image macro of a frowning gorilla with the overlaid text “That really rustled my jimmies” was posted by an anonymous user who has currently deactivated his account.[23] On July 18th, 2012, the image had an overall score of over 100 with nearly 7000 views. The original photograph of the gorilla can be found in a Flickr post titled “nors”[7] uploaded by Frank Wouters on July 4th, 2007.

what? I wasn't claiming it came from that incident because that wouldn't even make sense. maybe you should focus less on trying to be a shit to everyone

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:02 PM
burden of proof is on you.

Know Your Meme – Rustled My Jimmies (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-really-rustled-my-jimmies)
from a statistical standpoint, neither of us solely has the burden of proof.

but all things considered, if you think that buying a 5 year old 100k mile single owner vehicle carries a risk that is greater than or equal to that of buying a year old 30k mile rental car, you're insane.

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:07 PM
and really, again from a statistical standpoint, even if my claim wasn't true, it'd be impossible to prove your claim wrong.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:09 PM
Then I guess the best evidence we have is my experience huh

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:11 PM
you never took a statistics class did you

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:13 PM
evidently you took one that didn't involve numbers

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:15 PM
n = 1 is the best sample size, really.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 10:16 PM
our experience also trumps yours, since, to a man, there's years more of it. you're not dealing with fucking amateurs here

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:19 PM
from a statistical standpoint, neither of us solely has the burden of proof.

but all things considered, if you think that buying a 5 year old 100k mile single owner vehicle carries a risk that is greater than or equal to that of buying a year old 30k mile rental car, you're insane.

this doesn't really make sense although it would depend on what kind of vehicle you are getting, if you are buying american, a car at 100,000 miles, even doted on like a child, is anywhere between half and three quarters of the way through its non-problematic life. so unless you believe most previous rentals start to disintegrate between 45 and 60 thousands miles, I don't see the logic here

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:19 PM
our experience also trumps yours, since, to a man, there's years more of it. you're not dealing with fucking amateurs here

ok nimrod's son

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 10:21 PM
yeah but that guy is dumb

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:21 PM
did you even read what i said

it'd be impossible to prove your claim wrong.

so your sample of size 1 doesn't even fucking matter or contribute to your argument you snotty liberal arts turd. in the absense of readily available evidence in this inconsequential messageboard thread, it's not unreasonable to say that given that rental cars are summarily treated like shit by the people who drive them, that the risk of earlier failure is greater.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 10:24 PM
i am also a snotty liberal arts turd

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:24 PM
is really the only point that's being made in the thread. the point your arguing is that a car having dozens of shitty drivers has no ill effect on its longevity.

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:25 PM
this doesn't really make sense although it would depend on what kind of vehicle you are getting, if you are buying american, a car at 100,000 miles, even doted on like a child, is anywhere between half and three quarters of the way through its non-problematic life. so unless you believe most previous rentals start to disintegrate between 45 and 60 thousands miles, I don't see the logic here

If I had to choose between an american car with less than 100,000 miles and a foreign job with 300,000 miles I would choose the american only because parts and labor will be cheaper and easier to find.

also patriotism.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:25 PM
did you even read what i said



so your sample of size 1 doesn't even fucking matter or contribute to your argument you snotty liberal arts turd. in the absense of readily available evidence in this inconsequential messageboard thread, it's not unreasonable to say given that rental cars are summarily treated like sit by the people who drive them, that the risk of earlier failure is greater.

lol guy I was not saying 1 person constitutes a good statistical argument. I was responding to what you said by saying my experiential evidence carries more ethos than anything anyone else has been able to come up with, which is pathetic, but go figure. I JUST KNOW THEY IS BAD OK!"!?>! EVEYRONE KNOWS DAT IS SELF EVIDENT

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:25 PM
but i get what you're saying totally

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:25 PM
which is retarded. not extra chromosome retarded. like, retarded as in you started a thought, and then didn't finish it.

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:26 PM
oh look the formatting is all fucked HI GUYS

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:26 PM
is really the only point that's being made in the thread. the point your arguing is that a car having dozens of shitty drivers has no ill effect on its longevity.

I guess you are getting upset because now you're trying to make it seem like I made that claim when I didn't

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 10:26 PM
look jb, this guy's traveled to greece. his mind has been opened. he's figured out a clever way to get a great, cheap car and you're jealous. he's got it figured out.

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:28 PM
ad hominem

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:28 PM
then what is the point you're arguing, dong dong.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 10:29 PM
i think his jimmies are rustled

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:30 PM
If I had to choose between an american car with less than 100,000 miles and a foreign job with 300,000 miles I would choose the american only because parts and labor will be cheaper and easier to find.

also patriotism.

Reposting that in case it was at the bottom of one of your common pages (10PPP FOR LIFE) or it just got lost in the middle of that slap fight I walked in on.

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:30 PM
I think I have good car advice :(

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:31 PM
you are not correct about your intuitive judgements of the risk of buying from a rental agency versus anywhere else.<s>

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:33 PM
you would choose an american car over a foreign job

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:33 PM
<s>

that's not what you just said that I said but ok

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:35 PM
i hear a lot of things about the price and availability of parts and which brands are best. the name i hear most often is Honda/Acura.

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:36 PM
that's not what you just said that I said but ok
you are impossibly obtuse.

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 10:39 PM
there's no way those statements are different unless you're being an exessively pedantic asshole.

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:41 PM
i hear a lot of things about the price and availability of parts and which brands are best. the name i hear most often is Honda/Acura.

Yea I mean Hondas are super fucking reliable.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 10:43 PM
toyota sells more cars than gm i think their parts are avaliable

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 10:47 PM
there's no way those statements are different unless you're being an exessively pedantic asshole.

sorry you don't understand what I am saying


as for slunken's 100,000 miles american 300,000 miles foreign thing, I would guess that on average a Ford or GM at 100,000 is probably at the same place a Toyota or Honda at 300,000 are. Parts are not hard to find for Toyotas or Hondas

slunken
02-12-2014, 10:59 PM
for some reason i was picturing swiss and german cars because those are the cars i have come across when renting. my mistake

yea parts for toyota or honda are common as well.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 11:01 PM
i have a toyota at 180 and it's p. sweet needs a timing belt but i think it'll do just fine

i really should do my homework on taking care of it

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 11:01 PM
oh yeah I would imagine european cars would be a bit harder.


toyotas and hondas are great cars though, and they really do run like three times as far as american

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 11:01 PM
you are not correct about your intuitive judgements of the risk of buying from a rental agency versus anywhere else.

a car having dozens of shitty drivers has no ill effect on its longevity.

please entertain me and tell me how those statements are not consistent with eachother.

let's all have a laugh.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 11:02 PM
axis makes the best cars it's weird but true

japanese for efficiency
germans for performance
italians for <i>style</I>

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 11:03 PM
or maybe weirdly enough i really prefer the german style and admit the italian performance

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 11:06 PM
please entertain me and tell me how those statements are not consistent with eachother.

let's all have a laugh.

"no ill effect"

we could all have a laugh about what a good example this thread is of how people are viscerally compelled to defend their established notions instead

Bread Regal
02-12-2014, 11:10 PM
"ill" is a subjective modifer and therefore it was implicit that i was speaking about a comparison.

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 11:14 PM
nas has got some ill effect

slunken
02-12-2014, 11:16 PM
technique is ill son, watch how i spill one:

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 11:17 PM
i'm as ill as a convict that kills for phone time

slunken
02-12-2014, 11:21 PM
Babies with flies on they cheeks, it's hard to go to sleep

slunken
02-12-2014, 11:21 PM
What's the science? Somebody? This is trick knowledge

redbreegull
02-12-2014, 11:22 PM
"ill" is a subjective modifer and therefore it was implicit that i was speaking about a comparison.

yes, I understood, I quoted the part I never said, I'm not arguing your ability to put together a sentence

slunken
02-12-2014, 11:22 PM
Don't let the game make you lose your head
You should be calling the shots instead
The power is in your hands
Stop all this crying and be a man

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JYvZytz6Wzg/UC24-OYRRaI/AAAAAAAAOME/p36_zushgMw/s1600/ISAAC%2BHAYES%2BIS%2BSMOOTH.jpg

Trotskilicious
02-12-2014, 11:41 PM
is that from the book of scientology

Future Boy
02-13-2014, 12:52 AM
blim blam motherfuckers

duovamp
02-13-2014, 07:43 AM
i have a at 180 and it's p. sweet needs a belt but i think it'll do just fine

i really should on taking care of it

The fucking timing belt blew in my Subaru. Got that to deal with once the weather gets nice. Fucking belt had 16k miles on it when it went. Installed at a dealership.

The dealership said they only warranty "engine work" for 12k miles or 1 year.

In the mean time, I'm driving my Z through this nightmare of a winter.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 07:32 PM
hey duovamp i've put 13k on a (new) car since like August 2nd. what can i do to make it last as long as possible?

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 08:15 PM
Smoke weed

Order 66
02-13-2014, 08:18 PM
one and done

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:19 PM
That's awesome. What car did you get? I may have asked you that before...

Keep on top of regular oil changes, and don't ever be afraid to open the hood and look at all your fluid levels. They'll all tell you what the min/max level is. Other than that, if you have an automatic, adhere to your scheduled maintenance in your owner's manual. Automatic transmissions are the first non-wear-and-tear part of your car that'll go. So just make sure you get it flushed when your manual tells you.

Otherwise, you probably have a timing chain that'll last the lifetime of the engine (over 250k). The tensioner will go before the chain will, and that's the kind of thing that gets adjusted at like 110k miles, along with valves (sometimes).

Oil makes your car happiest. It'll be faster and get better mileage. And tires. Always buy good tires.... I can't stress that enough.

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:20 PM
Smoke weed

one and done

All day every day.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 08:22 PM
That's awesome. What car did you get? I may have asked you that before...

Keep on top of regular oil changes, and don't ever be afraid to open the hood and look at all your fluid levels. They'll all tell you what the min/max level is. Other than that, if you have an automatic, adhere to your scheduled maintenance in your owner's manual. Automatic transmissions are the first non-wear-and-tear part of your car that'll go. So just make sure you get it flushed when your manual tells you.

Otherwise, you probably have a timing chain that'll last the lifetime of the engine (over 250k). The tensioner will go before the chain will, and that's the kind of thing that gets adjusted at like 110k miles, along with valves (sometimes).

Oil makes your car happiest. It'll be faster and get better mileage. And tires. Always buy good tires.... I can't stress that enough.

it's a sentra.

apparently it uses some sort of synthetic oil that only needs a change every 5k? but it's substantially more expensive too. so i think it balances out for the most part. would you recommend getting it changed more? and how often do you need to replace tires? i've never really driven a single car for very long. and definitely not this kind of mileage.

Order 66
02-13-2014, 08:25 PM
13k is nothing

but this is coming from somebody who clocked in 280 on his last car

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 08:28 PM
13k is nothing

but this is coming from somebody who clocked in 280 on his last car

in just over 6 months? 280 is pretty nuts though. where was it when you started with it?

oh i also fucked up the right front fender by being a fucking moron but it's 2k to fix so i don't plan on taking care of that any time soon. it's not really very noticeable unless you know to look for it. so eh. purely cosmetic. doesn't seem worth it.

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:30 PM
5k is fine. Synthetic's biggest strength is that it lasts longer than dino juice. I think our cars are probably on the same service schedule, and I don't waste money getting oil changes anywhere before 4k. At 4k is when I go "I should change my oil soon." Then I get around to it in the next few hundred miles.

I blow through tires like a mad man, so I go through a set of summer tires in 2 years, and a set of winter tires every 3. When you get the car inspected, the place you take it to will tell you when the tread is starting to get low. Whatever you do, don't buy tires from a dealership or repair shop or tire store. Go to tirerack.com and order a set. You'll get them for way cheaper, and you can actually buy GOOD tires on your car, which will literally improve everything about your car (stopping distance, fuel economy, handling, road noise). It's worth the extra money for a good set.

Tires are the number one most important thing on a car imo. They'll save your life.

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:30 PM
in just over 6 months? 280 is pretty nuts though. where was it when you started with it?

oh i also fucked up the right front fender by being a fucking moron but it's 2k to fix so i don't plan on taking care of that any time soon. it's not really very noticeable unless you know to look for it. so eh. purely cosmetic. doesn't seem worth it.

That sounds super expensive. Fuck that shit, let it ride. :banging:

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 08:33 PM
granted that was the dealer estimate so i could probably get it cheaper somewhere else.... but even if it were 1k i wouldn't be doing it any time soon.

fuckin' cars man.

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:35 PM
Fuckin' cars man. :( I'm at the point where I'd definitely buy an automated Googlemobile vehicle that just drives for you. Fucking sleep on the way to and from work every day.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 08:37 PM
Fuckin' cars man. :( I'm at the point where I'd definitely buy an automated Googlemobile vehicle that just drives for you. Fucking sleep on the way to and from work every day.

oh my godddddd yes. please. i reverse commute and i don't mind the mornings but jesus christ the evenings are shit. and then while i'm at work i still have to drive all over the goddamn place.

i'm actually not hating it as much as i thought i would. but still. if i could nap or something that would be way better.

also the googlemobiles would cut down on drive times because we wouldn't have to deal with goddamn idiot drivers driving like idiots

Order 66
02-13-2014, 08:38 PM
well now i think about it... i got my car brand new about 6 months ago and its at about 5,500k now. so 13 is alot i guess. but in total that's still not too much wear and tear, i'd just try to keep the mileage down from now on.

my last car was a hand me down i got in 07... it clocked in at around 150 or so. back then i lived out in the sticks and had to drive to the city everyday so naturally it got some heavy mileage. it really put perspective on how far a car can go... once it got past 250k it was falling apart all over the place and cost me about $1000 a year to keep running. but it was a 4runner, which are generally reliable cars, so it wasn't like i was riding a total junker.

but that adds to why i'm only going to buy brand new from now on. i don't want to approach that kind of mileage again

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:38 PM
Do you get sent out a lot for work? That's balls.

How long is your commute btw?

duovamp
02-13-2014, 08:40 PM
well now i think about it... i got my car brand new about 6 months ago and its at about 5,500k now. so 13 is alot i guess. but in total that's still not too much wear and tear, i'd just try to keep the mileage down from now on.

my last car was a hand me down i got in 07... it clocked in at around 150 or so. back then i lived out in the sticks and had to drive to the city everyday so naturally it got some heavy mileage. it really put perspective on how far a car can go... once it got past 250k it was falling apart all over the place and cost me about $1000 a year to keep running. but it was a 4runner, which are generally reliable cars, so it wasn't like i was riding a total junker.

but that adds to why i'm only going to buy brand new from now on. i don't want to approach that kind of mileage again

I'd love to have a fucking 07 4 Runner. Dem shits were tight. And comfy. And probably baller in the snow.

Order 66
02-13-2014, 08:50 PM
ha.. if only. i had a fucking 98 4runner. it was given to me in 07 though. so yeah... i was really pushing it.

i plan on getting a new 4runner as my next car though. either that or an MDX. its really risky driving a coupe around here because it floods all the time, but i can't afford a good SUV right now

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 08:55 PM
getting ready to buy some pads tonight for instore pickup this weekend.

four are pictured here:

http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9373806/1517/parts/brakes_wheel_bearings/brake_pads_front/?quantity=1

does that mean four are in the box?

also, what price point should i be looking at to get the best value?

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 08:58 PM
i'd just try to keep the mileage down from now on.



heh, not an option for me

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:01 PM
Do you get sent out a lot for work? That's balls.

How long is your commute btw?

from home to office is 40 miles. but i drive to 6 different courthouses (can take public transportation to 1 yayyyy) with varying levels of frequency. so just kind of all over the place.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:02 PM
also commuting in a 4runner must have been brutal on gas, eh?

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:07 PM
Whatever you do, don't buy tires from a dealership or repair shop or tire store. Go to tirerack.com and order a set.

wouldn't you have to put the tires on the wheels

that sounds like a lot of weed i could be smoking

Order 66
02-13-2014, 09:14 PM
also commuting in a 4runner must have been brutal on gas, eh?

honestly it doesn't seem like i'm saving that much more on my civic, which says is giving me 26 mpg (i don't know if that's true, but its what the screen displays).

i mean if you tallied it up i'm sure i'm saving shitload more. but it seems like i'm spending about just as much at the pump (though i never topped off my 4runner)

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:19 PM
well that could be because gas is pricier now yeah?

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:19 PM
i have a ferrari you fuckin losers make me sick

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:20 PM
well that could be because gas is pricier now yeah?

it was definitely more in 2008. it nearly hit 5. then the economy collapsed.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:20 PM
my car tells me it's getting 34 mpg. which is what it advertises. would prefer something with 50 but those aren't really affordable yet.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:21 PM
it was definitely more in 2008. it nearly hit 5. then the economy collapsed.

i didn't really drive at all then so i wouldn't have been paying attention

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:22 PM
and now we have black hitler deliberately deflating the oil price so he can build his satanic engines of doom

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:22 PM
shit you weren't kidding

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

is that where that "gas tax holiday" bullshit came from in the '08 campaign? yeesh.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:23 PM
yes sir

i've been driving for some time.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:24 PM
since about 98 dagnabbit

mxzombie
02-13-2014, 09:29 PM
i was really happy to get rid of my car. it kinda sucks when it takes twice or three times as long to get somewhere by public transportation, but i hated the stress of maintaining a car. plus i get to read.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:32 PM
rather impractical for a lot of us, i mean you're from florida originally aren't you

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 09:35 PM
wouldn't you have to put the tires on the wheels

that sounds like a lot of weed i could be smoking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0GNLvPmAg

duovamp
02-13-2014, 09:37 PM
from home to office is 40 miles. but i drive to 6 different courthouses (can take public transportation to 1 yayyyy) with varying levels of frequency. so just kind of all over the place.

Holy shit, that sounds like a long drive to the office in the morning. I do 25 miles to get to work and I thought my commute was fucking shit goddamn asshole bullshit.

I'd love to take a bus like mxzombie. I'd rather take an hour and a half to get to work if I got to just sleep or fuck around rather than get horrible road rage (which I get EVERY SINGLE MORNING AND AFTERNOON :mad:).

getting ready to buy some pads tonight for instore pickup this weekend.

four are pictured here:

http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9373806/1517/parts/brakes_wheel_bearings/brake_pads_front/?quantity=1

does that mean four are in the box?

also, what price point should i be looking at to get the best value?

I'd go into a Pep Boys rather than order from their page just to make sure you're talking to someone who can pull them out of the box and go "Yes, you get four for all the front rotors, and yes they will definitely fit your car." Just to be safe.

I usually spend around 200 for front pads, but if you can get them for that price then rock and roll, man.

wouldn't you have to put the tires on the wheels

that sounds like a lot of weed i could be smoking

You'd take the tires, put them in your car, drive to a dealership and go "Please mount and balance these tires on my wheels." You'd pay to mount and balance in addition to the markup on shitty tires anyhow. At least this way you're getting tires worth your time and money tbh.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:39 PM
actually they'll deliver them to a shop also

i will never buy from discount tire again because of their hilariously bad service

duovamp
02-13-2014, 09:40 PM
That they will. Tirerack is my jaaaam.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:41 PM
Holy shit, that sounds like a long drive to the office in the morning. I do 25 miles to get to work and I thought my commute was fucking shit goddamn asshole bullshit.



60-70 minutes in the morning (i have to leave really early but... w/e), 75-100 minutes in the evening. it's not ideal. but you do what you gotta do. i like that i get time to listen to my podcasts.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0GNLvPmAg

sure looks like a lot of weed i wouldn't be smoking

duovamp
02-13-2014, 09:45 PM
60-70 minutes in the morning (i have to leave really early but... w/e), 75-100 minutes in the evening. it's not ideal. but you do what you gotta do. i like that i get time to listen to my podcasts.

I don't know how you do it. That's amazing. Bless you, sir. I do 40 in the morning and about 55 in the evening, and it's extremely frustrating.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE ROBOT CARS YET EULOGY?!

duovamp
02-13-2014, 09:48 PM
Trots, we never got to take that drive together in my M3 before I sold it, but this was it the last summer I owned it:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8357/m32f.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3724/m34d.jpg


I know, no one care.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:48 PM
i used to drive an hour and a half home eventually you want to commit suicide

or that could just be me

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:48 PM
maybe someday i'll leave my cave but there is sunshine and judgement outside

duovamp
02-13-2014, 09:49 PM
Nah I think I'll probably just lose my shit one day while driving and put myself in a wall because I can't deal with traffic.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:51 PM
several people have told me that doing what i'm doing is impossible and i need to stop.

but it's not that bad. i don't want to work here and i don't want to live there. so this is what i'm doing and i'm ok with it.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:51 PM
one time this guy boxed me in from getting on the expressway and i think i lost my mind temporarily as i was sitting at The Longest Light in Austin (38 1/2 street and I 35 access road northbound)

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 09:52 PM
my mom had a '99 318i back in the day. i loved that thing.

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 09:53 PM
Nah I think I'll probably just lose my shit one day while driving and put myself in a wall because I can't deal with traffic.
do you usually take limited access highways?

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 09:54 PM
several people have told me that doing what i'm doing is impossible and i need to stop.

but it's not that bad. i don't want to work here and i don't want to live there. so this is what i'm doing and i'm ok with it.

halfway betwxit?

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 09:55 PM
halfway betwxit?

huh?

duovamp
02-13-2014, 09:57 PM
This is my commute: https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&daddr=West+Newton,+PA&saddr=6823+Thomas+Blvd,+Pittsburgh,+PA***5208&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&geocode=KS9AxILt7TSIMSZT_DbmVtT2%3BKUMrXKZY3TSIMcw 1xA5vBy94&ei=tZP9Uqz0N4OlsATV0IDQCg&ved=0CC8Q-A8wAw

Route 30 is a disaster with 2 lanes and approximately one billion red lights. Everything's cool after I'm on back roads. I get horrendous road rage though, which is probably going to be why I die at age 41.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 10:00 PM
i'm on the expressway for almost the whole thing. but traffic is nuts. apparently they're expanding the whole goddamn thing to six lanes each way but i'll believe it when i see it. also that construction will probably fuck me pretty bad.

duovamp
02-13-2014, 10:01 PM
6 lanes... that sounds glorious.

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 10:02 PM
also now all of netphoria knows where you live.

living dangerously these days i see

duovamp
02-13-2014, 10:02 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/CwinnODU0yo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 10:03 PM
i zoomed in and oh god that looks like a miserable commute.

i asked about limited access highways because i adopted a strategy that minimizes how crazy i get during rush hour.

when traffic is stop and go, i play a game with myself and sit in 3rd or 4th gear and go idle speed. and leave about 20 car lengths of space in front of me while i ride in the right lane. this forces the people behind me to drive at a constant speed and opens a bunch of space for drivers to merge and exit as needed without bottlenecking things.

its immensely satisfying.

duovamp
02-13-2014, 10:03 PM
also now all of netphoria knows where you live.

living dangerously these days i see

But which apartment in this building? DUN DUN DUNNN.

Also I already have to tell everybody in my neighborhood that I can't go within 500 yards of a school so this isn't any different.

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 10:04 PM
also now all of netphoria knows where you live.

living dangerously these days i see
all 6 of us

duovamp
02-13-2014, 10:05 PM
I was actually about to comment that everyone who posted in this thread is basically the entirety of Netphoria these days.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:06 PM
so when i was sitting in austin traffic i eventually decided, you know what fuck how long it may take, i'm going all the way up first street

what i found was a pretty heavy traffic drive that you could cruise and some fun navigational challenges to keep you rolling (avoiding snags and busses and stuff) rather than pumping your breaks and rolling forward. I found that it was actually a similar amount of time. the only downfall is that once i got on the other side of downtown i still had to get back on 35 or do really weird shit through the east side. i did the weird shit but it always bugs me when i'm driving due east to get due north, merely to avoid traffic.

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 10:12 PM
yeah, i learned that driving like a sane person adds a negligible amount of travel time and you're actively reducing the accordion effect of traffic jams. i imagine it puts a lot less wear on the vehicle.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:13 PM
oh plus

this is the view going north on south first into downtown

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/CcetbVG.png">

it was way more interesting than sitting on a highway with a truck next to you.

i mean dudes, even with all the hipsters, that's pretty solid

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 10:13 PM
it's also really satisfying to have some guy tailgate my and flash his lights and honk his horn, overtake me and haul ass then immediately encounter another wall of cars. and then 10 miles later we get off at the same exit.

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 10:16 PM
also, engineers know what they're doing when it comes to light timing and the posted speed limit is an integral part of it. if you are in moderate traffic, go 5 under the speed limit and you will be surprised at how often you catch the green wave.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:17 PM
it's also really satisfying to have some guy tailgate my and flash his lights and honk his horn, overtake me and haul ass then immediately encounter another wall of cars. and then 10 miles later we get off at the same exit.

hahaha i love those guys

you're at all the same lights and you're like GO FASTER GO FASTER DICKHEAD

and the thing is if you maintain speed on a lot of long broadways and boulevards and such, you'll hit a lot of lights, rather than trying to go as fast as you can. edit: oh you said tthat already

i find it's usually just under the speed limit

it's not 100% though let me tell you some streets are deliberately stop at every single fuckin light

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:18 PM
EAST MLK I'M LOOKING AT YOU, YOU BASTARD

Eulogy
02-13-2014, 10:20 PM
ugh this was a few months ago but i still remember it

fucking bumper to bumper traffic. i'm not touching the gas because what is the fucking point. at one point there was about a 20 foot gap between me and the car in front of me. this fucking stupid woman honks at me, passes me, gets back in the lane. we remained bumper to bumper for at least five more minutes.

like

WHAT IS YOUR DEAL

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:22 PM
i mean it's where people really get to be anonymous, selfish little cretins

the other place they do this is telephone customer service

and of course the internets

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:24 PM
so does anyone ever get kind of goosebumps when you go through a gigantic overpass or in a neat tunnel or on a really nice flyover and you realize <I>i am a simian with opposable thumbs, i'm in a hunk of metal propelled by dead dinosaur juice going 60 miles per hour. on the reg. like it's nbd.</i>

Bread Regal
02-13-2014, 10:24 PM
EAST MLK I'M LOOKING AT YOU, YOU BASTARD
oh poor/minority neighborhoods are absolutely the exception when it comes to well timed lights.

Trotskilicious
02-13-2014, 10:25 PM
east 51st is alright

come to think of it there's just fewer lights