He has nothing to write about anymore. From 1988-1998 he wrote music because of repressed feelings, angst, love, loss of family, hatred and so on.
But what is Oceania even about? It doesn't make any statements, and if it does, they are as vague as his last remaining hair strands.

Do you see Billy Corgan ever writing what the general Pumpkins fans would consider to be 'good music' again? And if so, in which element would he do so?

By good music, I mean music that is as vivid and emotional as the one found on any album they released between 1991-1998.

Yes. Of course.
don't give up the hope/

Yes. Of course.
don't give up the hope/

Can't tell if irony because this is Netphoria. Do you believe that?

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sure, I just doubt he'll write any more good albums. but a song here and there, yes

Corgan has written a lot of great music, even now. Oceania was a good album. It is more about his life as a single 40+ rock star dating a 20 year old popstar that is why it is hard to connect to. I now really like oceania a lot.

Corgan has written a lot of great music, even now. Oceania was a good album. It is more about his life as a single 40+ rock star dating a 20 year old popstar that is why it is hard to connect to. I now really like oceania a lot.

Yeah but there are no songs on there that I could imagine anyone feel emotionally connected to in the same way that people feel connected to songs like 'Hummer', 'To Forgive' or 'Tonight Tonight'.

Also, he could find something to write about. Just because he's rich now, he still faces a lot of issues. He could write about how many festivals shun his band as being a nostalgia act for example.

Yeah but there are no songs on there that I could imagine anyone feel emotionally connected to in the same way that people feel connected to songs like 'Hummer', 'To Forgive' or 'Tonight Tonight'.

Also, he could find something to write about. Just because he's rich now, he still faces a lot of issues. He could write about how many festivals shun his band as being a nostalgia act for example.
maybe it's because you're not 15 anymore. has there been any albums in the last few years that you've felt connected to? it'd be foolish for you to keep being a fresh canvas to be impressioned like you were when you were younger, and it's not easy to write emotionally important music for adults.

I think pink floyd was one of the few bands that managed to write adult contemporary that was great, and even they had growing pains. I'm still curious to see Radiohead and NIN make real changes. it doesn't hurt them that I don't follow them as extensively.

Yeah but there are no songs on there that I could imagine anyone feel emotionally connected to in the same way that people feel connected to songs like 'Hummer', 'To Forgive' or 'Tonight Tonight'.

Also, he could find something to write about. Just because he's rich now, he still faces a lot of issues. He could write about how many festivals shun his band as being a nostalgia act for example.

I haven't connected to Hummer and To forgive since high school. I like both songs, especially Hummer. But I think Violet Rays is something a lot of people can connect to.

Tonight, tonight is a once in a life time song that not many could write.

maybe it's because you're not 15 anymore. has there been any albums in the last few years that you've felt connected to? it'd be foolish for you to keep being a fresh canvas to be impressioned like you were when you were younger, and it's not easy to write emotionally important music for adults.

I think pink floyd was one of the few bands that managed to write adult contemporary that was great, and even they had growing pains. I'm still curious to see Radiohead and NIN make real changes. it doesn't hurt them that I don't follow them as extensively.

Well, Radiohead is a perfect example of a band that had an even smaller fan base than the Pumpkins 15 years ago, but who are now recognized as geniuses with every album they drop. So obviously they're doing something right that Corgan isn't. Because the last thing I refuse to believe is that Corgan has forgot how to structure good songs.

As for albums that have impressed me lately, I'd have to mention Yucks album 'Yuck', Foster The Peoples album 'Torches', and Arctic Monkeys 'AM'. Even if I don't usually care for new music, I can still recognize strong albums when I hear them, no matter which genre.

It's like Corgans ability to write meaningful songs and reach out to anyone under 25 has disappeared completely, which is the complete opposite of what he used to be.
Being old and/or having money isn't an excuse for not writing a stomach-punch of a song once in a while. Especially when you take in consideration this man made a double album with at least 25/28 amazing tracks.

corgan has to be paired with a competent producer.
flood did everything from MCIS to Machina 2. Butch Vig with the first albums.
I dunno, i just come from the mentality that while an artist has the creative output and decisions.
Producers are there to kinda keep in check or bring the breaks to the album writing sessions.

corgan has to be paired with a competent producer.
flood did everything from MCIS to Machina 2. Butch Vig with the first albums.
I dunno, i just come from the mentality that while an artist has the creative output and decisions.
Producers are there to kinda keep in check or bring the breaks to the album writing sessions.

You might be right. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Corgan who said the only good song they had for the next album when getting formally signed to Virgin was 'Rocket'? Which means that 'Quiet and other songs' had to be made some time after they met and spent time with Butch. He just might have inspired Corgan or something alike.

I doubt Butch would want to work with Corgan again though. It just seems bizarre for the two of them to pair up once more for an album that has a big likelihood to crash and burn.

Well, Radiohead is a perfect example of a band that had an even smaller fan base than the Pumpkins 15 years ago, but who are now recognized as geniuses with every album they drop. So obviously they're doing something right that Corgan isn't. Because the last thing I refuse to believe is that Corgan has forgot how to structure good songs.

As for albums that have impressed me lately, I'd have to mention Yucks album 'Yuck', Foster The Peoples album 'Torches', and Arctic Monkeys 'AM'. Even if I don't usually care for new music, I can still recognize strong albums when I hear them, no matter which genre.

It's like Corgans ability to write meaningful songs and reach out to anyone under 25 has disappeared completely, which is the complete opposite of what he used to be.
Being old and/or having money isn't an excuse for not writing a stomach-punch of a song once in a while. Especially when you take in consideration this man made a double album with at least 25/28 amazing tracks.

Kid, no one gives a fuck if corgan – an almost 50 year old man – can reach out to the under 25.

MCIS is really juvenile and I don't listen to that shit anymore. He also wrote that when he was under 30. Also, he has written a lot better songs than many on MCIS, even now. MCIS, has a lot of hype because of the commercial success of the album. It is a good album but anyone who rocks out to jelly belly when over 30 needs therapy.

Also, 15 years ago radiohead was very famous and highly regarded.

You might be right. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Corgan who said the only good song they had for the next album when getting formally signed to Virgin was 'Rocket'? Which means that 'Quiet and other songs' had to be made some time after they met and spent time with Butch. He just might have inspired Corgan or something alike.

I doubt Butch would want to work with Corgan again though. It just seems bizarre for the two of them to pair up once more for an album that has a big likelihood to crash and burn.

Wrong and wrong. Corgan has always been very involved in the production of the albums. In fact, d'arcy once said that Billy produced the producers and they produced the albums.

Could Billy benefit from the help of butch vig? Who wouldn't? also I believe butch said he would work with Billy again.

Kid, no one gives a fuck if corgan – an almost 50 year old man – can reach out to the under 25.

MCIS is really juvenile and I don't listen to that shit anymore. He also wrote that when he was under 30. Also, he has written a lot better songs than many on MCIS, even now. MCIS, has a lot of hype because of the commercial success of the album. It is a good album but anyone who rocks out to jelly belly when over 30 needs therapy.

Also, 15 years ago radiohead was very famous and highly regarded.

I'm 28. Also, I never cared for any reviews or sale figures of any album ever. There are probably albums that have never been released that surpass multiple Beatles albums in a lot of ways. Mellon Collie has a lot of great songs for a double record, thats about it. Obviously no one in 2014 is going to mosh to Jellybelly or Zero, but that doesn't mean they don't have fierce power as songs.
I'd say the Pumpkins were more reputed in, lets say 1993-1997, than Radiohead were.

But then Kid A came out.

Wrong and wrong. Corgan has always been very involved in the production of the albums. In fact, d'arcy once said that Billy produced the producers and they produced the albums.

Could Billy benefit from the help of butch vig? Who wouldn't? also I believe butch said he would work with Billy again.

I never said he wasn't involved in producing his albums? Also, I agreed with the fact that Butch would help out Billy a lot as he has before. The fact that Butch said he wanted to work with him again - now that doesn't mean jack shit.

So obviously they're doing something right that Corgan isn't.

Radiohead didn't break up over a decade ago.

Ok Computer was huge when it came out in 1997. I also was a huge fan of the bends and listened to that constantly before I became a pumpkins nutso fan. 1998, the pumpkins were still a hugely famous band, adore just confused people. 2000 they were still headliners. I think Machina was the beginning of Billy making albums that didn't necessarily have his best songs on it. I think zeitgeist era has some real gems though the album is pretty crappy.

I never said he wasn't involved in producing his albums? Also, I agreed with the fact that Butch would help out Billy a lot as he has before. The fact that Butch said he wanted to work with him again - now that doesn't mean jack shit.

Billy said he doesn't want to work with a producer. It isn't that they wouldn't work with him.

Radiohead didn't break up over a decade ago.

Yup.

Radiohead didn't break up over a decade ago.

So, SP would have a much much bigger fanbase had they not broken up? They would have faded away even more, probably with two more albums released along the way. Corgan could never turn the dime on Machina II, lets face that fact for a second. At least not from the commercial aspect, even if I don't care about that. Radioheads albums have always performed well and been well executed creatively. Because Radiohead didn't have a 'Machina' to fuck things up.

Ok Computer was huge when it came out in 1997. I also was a huge fan of the bends and listened to that constantly before I became a pumpkins nutso fan. 1998, the pumpkins were still a hugely famous band, adore just confused people. 2000 they were still headliners. I think Machina was the beginning of Billy making albums that didn't necessarily have his best songs on it. I think zeitgeist era has some real gems though the album is pretty crappy.

The question people need to ask themselves is: What would Corgan even release after Machina II, if he had not broken up the Pumpkins?

I haven't connected to Hummer and To forgive since high school. I like both songs, especially Hummer. But I think Violet Rays is something a lot of people can connect to.

Tonight, tonight is a once in a life time song that not many could write.

The thing with 'To Forgive' and 'Hummer' though, is that he could still write songs like that. People don't change that much in 20 years, and Corgans feelings for his childhood, lovers, feuds with the music business, probably haven't changed that much.

Violet Rays is a good song, but it didn't do anything for me on a deeper level.

People don't change that much in 20 years

You must know Corgan very well.

The thing with 'To Forgive' and 'Hummer' though, is that he could still write songs like that. People don't change that much in 20 years, and Corgans feelings for his childhood, lovers, feuds with the music business, probably haven't changed that much.

Violet Rays is a good song, but it didn't do anything for me on a deeper level.

Many of Oceania's songs are inspired by his love affair with with his then GF, his perspective is just not what many of us would experience. Billy is almost 50, he has forgiven a lot of the abuses he endured from living with his father, he also is in more control with the people he dates because they are so much younger than him. He isn't in his 20s anymore.

Billy has a tea house and wrestling whatever. He watches history movies and hangs with his cats and dogs.

You must know Corgan very well.

Lol, so true! Also, I know myself pretty well and I think it 20 years I changed a fuck ton. Don't know why anyone else would stay the same.

Many of Oceania's songs are inspired by his love affair with with his then GF, his perspective is just not what many of us would experience. Billy is almost 50, he has forgiven a lot of the abuses he endured from living with his father, he also is in more control with the people he dates because they are so much younger than him. He isn't in his 20s anymore.

Billy has a tea house and wrestling whatever. He watches history movies and hangs with his cats and dogs.

I still think he could do better than Oceania. Just better.

I think that if Jimmy was on oceania many here would put their penis in it.

Yes. Of course.
don't give up the hope/

I thought you gave up hope when Billy died?

Corgan writes good music all the time but chooses to shelve it because it's so good it would be easy to release

^

Corgan has written a lot of great music, even now. Oceania was a good album. It is more about his life as a single 40+ rock star dating a 20 year old popstar that is why it is hard to connect to. I now really like oceania a lot.

This. There's a lot of jealousy on that album.

I think there are a lot of specific statements in oceania that make no sense because they are weird inside jokes/games him and JV played. I wonder if Corgan has grown out of idealized love. Oceania makes me think he doesn't really believe in it anymore.

I think there are a lot of specific statements in oceania that make no sense because they are weird inside jokes/games him and JV played. I wonder if Corgan has grown out of idealized love. Oceania makes me think he doesn't really believe in it anymore.

Obviously not, he doesn't even have kids.

I have a hunch there were miscarriages.

I have a hunch there were miscarriages.

His ex-wife, or Yelena?

I think there are a lot of specific statements in oceania that make no sense because they are weird inside jokes/games him and JV played.

I agree with this too. Heavily.

I have to get the screen shot of the tweet that JV made before she told me to "get fucked" she talks about acting or something. Billy sings "Does love matter when loves the actor
For what you are after is me". I think this is one of their inside jokes/games. But I don't know what they are talking about. Do you have any idea?

Wasn't there an unreleased song called "fate the lonely actor?"

Without getting too far into it, I've always taken it to mean somethine like an updated version of a poser. Corgan has spoken about internet technology manipulating people's lives into a series of moments and any certain individual is making any experience all about them, like a scene of a movie, instead of passively letting an experience happen. An example would be cell phone culture at concerts or even taking a bunch of pictures inside of a club. Everyone wants to feel like they're the star so instead of truly living life as a human, they're playing the part of an actor in a scene.

So the joke is something like "acting like an actor" or in the case of the line in the song "does love matter when love is the actor" it's questioning the reality and true nature of the love. Love can create a mirage and sometimes you love the idea of loving someone without ever really loving that person. And does that matter?

Hmm that's interesting, going to ponder that.

Also, I feel like "is your love for me real or are you playing a part" a theme in their relationship or a game they played. I will post her tweet later.

I found it. http://www.alternativenation.net/?p=12541

here tweet comes from this "Once conversations that should be private are undertaken in a public forum, they become theater – meant for the onlookers more than the participants." Rian Van Der Merwe

which of course, for her is ironic since she posted so much about their love life on twitter.

in tonight's episode (S03E03) of Girls, one of the characters was wearing an SP shirt.
I thought it was pertinent to their relevance
and indicative of who the SP fans are in 2014
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not 25 & under.


deal with it corgan. until you get your shit together again - you're dead to me.

here tweet comes from this "Once conversations that should be private are undertaken in a public forum, they become theater – meant for the onlookers more than the participants."


That's makes sense - re:actors. You could sub the word "conversation" out for "anything".

Also I would hesitate to use the phrase "inside joke" because it's more an occasion of things that seem to be a part of their private/personal vocabulary whose meanings are more broadly defined than attributed to one specific incident.

reminds me of this too

the joke about the fog
the one about your dog
the one about where we all seem to get along
lifted from the mines
and sifted through my mouth
a blessing so you'll never have to dig back down

using words to create illusions

allusions

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in tonight's episode (S03E03) of Girls, one of the characters was wearing an SP shirt.
I thought it was pertinent to their relevance
and indicative of who the SP fans are in 2014
http://i.imgur.com/HzT2hPj.jpg
not 25 & under.


deal with it corgan. until you get your shit together again - you're dead to me.

Um... Are you saying he should write for 25 and under?

That's makes sense - re:actors. You could sub the word "conversation" out for "anything".

Also I would hesitate to use the phrase "inside joke" because it's more an occasion of things that seem to be a part of their private/personal vocabulary whose meanings are more broadly defined than attributed to one specific incident.

Also, when I listen to the album it is shocking how much of a "realist" he is about love. He use to be so idealistic and almost destroyed by love. The love story is very modern, not in a good way. Stark contrast to SIYL, luna songs. JV is not on a pedestal.

Wheres Trotsky in this thread? I am now realizing, long after the fact how true his words ring...

A bunch of old grunge "kids" trying to deeply discuss a new boring and uninteresting album by "The Smashing Pumpkins" because they can't move on past and discover any bands past 1995.

Oceania is a boring, bland release... Theres a few nice moments here and there, but the emotion,composition, musicianship is just a shell of what it used to be. Theres nothing awe-inspiring on the album at all. No songs that you hear and think "NICE" and listen to over again a bunch of times in a row.

Heck, if you want something more interesting check out the new Arcade Fire album. I'm not a HUGE fan of those guys but it definitely beats the shit outta Oceania. Theres also cool new bands like the Gaslight Anthem, Japandroids, Joy Formidable putting out really cool music.

Or heck, if you like the older bands check out some of the the more "current" SNFU
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Beats the fuck outta the uninspired shit that Corgans churning out.

Gaslight Anthem, really? Happened to see them live last year, it was so horrible that I didn't even want to try listening to one of their albums.


Edit: to clarify what I mean by horrible

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What a shock. SP fans discussing an SP album on an SP message board.

If you've moved on fuzzy, why are you here?

Um... Are you saying he should write for 25 and under?
not at all.
i'm identifying who SP is still relevant with, and that trying to write new music is hella hard at this point.
lets be honest - he had millions of fans by taking advantage of adolescent grief, and the die hard fans were always the most cynical (yet self regarded intellectual) of the bunch. Who here iwill admit to still being the teenage loner they once were? Impressing those people today is near impossible, he painted himself into a corner.

later on in the Girls Episode they're playing Today, and they cut it off for some grind track and there's drama about DJ's cutting songs, and the guy who's bitching about not hearing the rest of his SP song acts like a loser (as his character is a loser with a cleft lip) and gets beat up by some tiny thin armed raver. It's just drives home the idea of SP fans being complete losers. The cleft lip character tries to impress his ex-girlfriend by telling her he's not a manager at the coffee shop, and he's got real responsibilities - she's not impressed and he acts like a bitch about it. one more time - SP fans are losers.

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For some reason this sounds like a b-side to Screaming Bloody Murder by Sum 41.

SP fans have always been seen as losers. I am often embarrassed to talk about SP in public because people often think less of me. Whomever wrote that SP thing probably has always hated SP or based it on a person they knew, like an ex bf who was an obsessed fan. To be honest, many SP fans are that gross. It is shameful.

Also, I don't think Billy took "advantage" of teens. I think he has always written about what is happening in his bald head at the time. It was pretty genuine, he lived a shit life when he was younger and was suffering having to deal with it.

i think fans of the tv show Girls are the big losers here, lena dunham sucks. and i dunno about SP fans...they're just...old

She probably had a run in with an SP. SP Fans are not that old. Many are 16-24, who just discovered Baldy.

She probably had a run in with an SP. SP Fans are not that old. Many are 16-24, who just discovered Baldy.

In 2006, I thought Billy could turn this over. Get a fresh new fanbase with the upcoming album. Sadly, he released Zeitgeist and started dressing like a new-age pope.

Billy thought he had it all figured out with Zeitgeist and then it didn't work. Also, the album was trying to hard to prove they didn't need james and d'arcy. The era had some good stuff though, not impressed with the album. I do like neverlost though.

I've been to six concerts in the last two years. Each time it's be an ocean of young people. Being 27, I've felt like the old guy at most of the shows. Oddly enough, every one that I spoke with seemed to be bigger fans of TFE to present.

I've been to six concerts in the last two years. Each time it's be an ocean of young people. Being 27, I've felt like the old guy at most of the shows. Oddly enough, every one that I spoke with seemed to be bigger fans of TFE to present.

Hmm, that's odd. I'm 28, and when I saw them in Copenhagen in 2011, all I saw were old guys moving their hips a bit to some Pisces tracks.

Here in canada it was a mix of old and young.

This was all lower United States.

bros it's possible, it's definitely possible

dude needs to be hungry again, he needs Jay-Z or Stephen Malkmus to start beef with him or something

bros it's possible, it's definitely possible

dude needs to be hungry again, he needs Jay-Z or Stephen Malkmus to start beef with him or something

that makes some weird sense

Yeah but there are no songs on there that I could imagine anyone feel emotionally connected to in the same way that people feel connected to songs like 'Hummer', 'To Forgive' or 'Tonight Tonight'.

Also, he could find something to write about. Just because he's rich now, he still faces a lot of issues. He could write about how many festivals shun his band as being a nostalgia act for example.

I think part of the problem is that it's hard to connect to a song where you have no respect for any of its creators whatsoever.

If the band sucks or the vocals suck you can't get past that to feel emotional about the songs. That stuff has to be good first.

breaking news: rock and roll concerts are attended by young people

Gaslight Anthem, really? Happened to see them live last year, it was so horrible that I didn't even want to try listening to one of their albums.


Edit: to clarify what I mean by horrible

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I only have their latest album... It's pretty solid.

The big hit is absolutely fucking rad:

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This songs pretty rad too, Love the chorus and the little lead guitar riff that goes along with it.

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What a shock. SP fans discussing an SP album on an SP message board.

If you've moved on fuzzy, why are you here?

I'm a big fan of SP... All of the original output and a good chunk of the 2007-2008 material/live performances... The bands just took a huge nose-dive and got really lame once Jimmy and Ginger had had enough. I think the shitty drumming from Byrne is a big part of it too... Probably holding Billy back a tremendous amount in the studio.

As for why I'm still here... I'm not realy sure. Part of it is the train-wreck factor, part of it is that I've followed this band for so bloody long that I'm just curious to see what turns out (maybe a little hope that Corgan will get his shit together and just do his own thing or work with some better musicians and put out some good music again)

But let's see it for what it is, Teargarden and Oceania are shit albums. If you like it you should check out this band called Matchbox 20.

Oceania is the kind of middle of the road, non-offensive album that did well because it's the type of music that a soccer mom would pick up (because she remembers SP from when she was a teen), pop into the car player and have it on in the background as she drives from time to time.

It's sorta like the new U2. Does well cause it's something that people who don't like music pick up and just have on to hum along with in the background because it's so straightforward and safe... A goo-goo dolls, John Mayer kinda thing.

But let's see it for what it is, Teargarden and Oceania are shit albums. If you like it you should check out this band called Matchbox 20.
ouch, harsh. matchbox 20 is so much worse/cringe-worthy


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So, SP would have a much much bigger fanbase had they not broken up? They would have faded away even more, probably with two more albums released along the way. Corgan could never turn the dime on Machina II, lets face that fact for a second. At least not from the commercial aspect, even if I don't care about that. Radioheads albums have always performed well and been well executed creatively. Because Radiohead didn't have a 'Machina' to fuck things up.




It's less about 'breaking up' SP than carrying on with a certain level of integrity.


There's no good reason why SP shouldn't have had the same career arc as Pearl Jam. But one still packs arena's and the other...well...bickers about past b.s.

ouch, harsh. matchbox 20 is so much worse/cringe-worthy


nah he's got a point, washed out dullrock for the masses

teargarden is the kind of work that even fred durst wouldn't release

fred durst is not a musician

i'm just saying that even the least talented piece of human garbage that has ever soiled the world with his music wouldn't let something like teargarden see the light of day

Teargarden could have been awesome but I think most of us were expecting acoustic bedroom songs

It's sorta like the new U2. Does well cause it's something that people who don't like music pick up and just have on to hum along with in the background because it's so straightforward and safe... A goo-goo dolls, John Mayer kinda thing.

The kind of CD that you can find at the supermarket or a gas station.

I like how fuzzy thinks he knows music.

Teargarden could have been awesome but I think most of us were expecting acoustic bedroom songs


Would have liked that

fuzzy has come a long way though

I like how fuzzy thinks he knows music.

Lol, what have I said that isn't true?

I've always had a tremendous passion for music. I got seriously into it when I was 8. I think I know quite a bit about it. I've also played the guitar for over 15 years and drums over 10, so I have a fair understanding about the fundamentals and production of music

fuzzy has come a long way though

thanks dude:rockon:

Lol, what have I said that isn't true?

I've always had a tremendous passion for music. I got seriously into it when I was 8. I think I know quite a bit about it. I've also played the guitar for over 15 years and drums over 10, so I have a fair understanding about the fundamentals and production of music

You haven't once said anything that is remotely intellectual concerning music. You just spout off shit like oceania is like match box 20 and the U2 albums you buy at the car wash. Or you bitch about others that are having convo about Oceania because they don't have the same opinion as you.

People like different types of music, why shit on people's tastes cause they are different than yours, you aren't a teenager.

huh, gaslight anthem sound like the killers now

didn't see that coming

fuzzy has come a long way though

he made it all the way to my ignore list.

You haven't once said anything that is remotely intellectual concerning music. You just spout off shit like oceania is like match box 20 and the U2 albums you buy at the car wash. Or you bitch about others that are having convo about Oceania because they don't have the same opinion as you.

People like different types of music, why shit on people's tastes cause they are different than yours, you aren't a teenager.

Not sure how I can be intellectual regarding the topic, It's all pretty straightforward. Corgans playing with a 2ndrate line-up of yesmen making lethargic and uninteresting music. I can't really blame the guy, it's gotta be hard to get inspired when you're wrangling in personality types like Mike and Jeff to create with. "a little too nicey-nice" is one way to put it:rofl:

I'm not even trying to be a "negative nancy" I listened to Oceania many times, wanting to dig it... But it just does nothing for me. Even Teargarden had 1 good song (tom-tom).

Lets face it, these last 2 albums are the big turds in the punchbowl SP library-wise. Zeitgeist was spotty, but atleast Jimmy acted as a saving grace. It's hard to find any redeeming qualities in these last 2 releases.

Stop trying to polish a turd Julia... And I thought you were just ranting and raving about the band sucking ass a few months ago? Why the sudden change of heart? you and Nicole conversing on the internet again? haha

huh, gaslight anthem sound like the killers now

didn't see that coming

Fuck that shit man! :erm:

Not sure how I can be intellectual regarding the topic, It's all pretty straightforward. Corgans playing with a 2ndrate line-up of yesmen making lethargic and uninteresting music. I can't really blame the guy, it's gotta be hard to get inspired when you're wrangling in personality types like Mike and Jeff to create with. "a little too nicey-nice" is one way to put it:rofl:

I'm not even trying to be a "negative nancy" I listened to Oceania many times, wanting to dig it... But it just does nothing for me. Even Teargarden had 1 good song (tom-tom).

Lets face it, these last 2 albums are the big turds in the punchbowl SP library-wise. Zeitgeist was spotty, but atleast Jimmy acted as a saving grace. It's hard to find any redeeming qualities in these last 2 releases.

Stop trying to polish a turd Julia... And I thought you were just ranting and raving about the band sucking ass a few months ago? Why the sudden change of heart? you and Nicole conversing on the internet again? haha

I did not like the line up in 2013. That has not changed, but I have been listening to oceania, I like the album now, though I think it is a hard album to connect to. Not sure why it matters to you that some like oceania, and you never did respond in anyways that makes me thing you like music. Critiquing something by saying it sucks isn't really valid.

I think Zeitgeist is just pumpkins trash, it sounds like Billy tried to think about how the pumpkins would sound if James and D'arcy were never involved. Which I am not into. i do like neverlost Neverlost.

I don't think you know what Corgan meant when he said "nicey-nice". Also, You know a lot of people who were fans up to Adore called that album boring and shitty too.

Sorry to screw your theory, but I no longer speak to nicole. I have respect for her as a musician though.

juliana if i were to accept that all music was subjective then i'd have to actually acknowledge that limp bizkit and nickelback are actually good, it's just not my taste.

i refuse to accept this. music is objective! some things are factually shit! I'm working on proving it with mathematics!

juliana if i were to accept that all music was subjective then i'd have to actually acknowledge that limp bizkit and nickelback are actually good, it's just not my taste.

i refuse to accept this. music is objective! some things are factually shit! I'm working on proving it with mathematics!

But this is exactly what I am saying and what Fuzzy is not. I think people are entitled to like and dislike music however they like. Fuzzy believes he knows these albums are shit and any other opinion is not acceptable. He believes he knows a lot about music and therefore his opinion should be taken as facts.

He also thinks that since I am interested in a new SP album, I am stuck in the past and should find new music. However, he has stated he is on these boards and hasn't moved on because he likes all the old SP albums.

I've always had a tremendous passion for music. I got seriously into it when I was 8.

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huh, gaslight anthem sound like the killers now

didn't see that coming

yeah i thought they'd continue to pay homage to a time and place that they don't remember and didn't exist

Billy retweeted this >>>

"Nadia Gilchrist ‏@NadiaGilchrist

The Sun enters Aquarius: the season of the humanitarian outsider."

is billy the humanitarian outsider, the guy who hates everyone because he cares so much--ack that sounds familiar

Zeitgeist was spotty, but at least Jimmy acted as a saving grace.

One could reply to this opinion like you did regarding Oceania, fuzzy:

Stop trying to polish a turd


Sure, you are into Jimmy. So for you every SP release without him is shit. Understandable. Doesn't mean that the songwriting on Zeitgeist is - objectively - superior to Oceania.

Since you are into Gaslight Anthem (which make me want to puke through my ears) it's a safe guess you're looking for something that Oceania doesn't have. That's fine, but doesn't make your opinion an expert rating.

yeah i thought they'd continue to pay homage to a time and place that they don't remember and didn't exist

different kinda something boring

do the hold steady sound like muse yet? muse, anyone?

This thread is starting to conflict with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thread where we discussed that rock and roll isn't intellectual and is in fact about fucking you and your mother

The music he writes is actually good. The question is "Will he ever perform convincingly again? Will he ever sound like he gives a shit?"

If Corgan wrote Tonight, Tonight today it would sound like this.

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no, his writing is shit these days as well (although oceania was better than the other teargarden stuff). at this point literally the only dimension of the music that isn't embarrassing is BC's guitar chops, which are still awesome

One could reply to this opinion like you did regarding Oceania, fuzzy:




Sure, you are into Jimmy. So for you every SP release without him is shit. Understandable. Doesn't mean that the songwriting on Zeitgeist is - objectively - superior to Oceania.

Since you are into Gaslight Anthem (which make me want to puke through my ears) it's a safe guess you're looking for something that Oceania doesn't have. That's fine, but doesn't make your opinion an expert rating.

Amen

One could reply to this opinion like you did regarding Oceania, fuzzy:




Sure, you are into Jimmy. So for you every SP release without him is shit. Understandable. Doesn't mean that the songwriting on Zeitgeist is - objectively - superior to Oceania.

Since you are into Gaslight Anthem (which make me want to puke through my ears) it's a safe guess you're looking for something that Oceania doesn't have. That's fine, but doesn't make your opinion an expert rating.

Amen

This thread is starting to conflict with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thread where we discussed that rock and roll isn't intellectual and is in fact about fucking you and your mother

There is a level that that is true. But I think a lot of important artists are more than that.

I got a PhD in music when I was 12.
been serious since I was in the womb.

Why aren't fuzzyroes and HereIsNoWhy4u in a band together yet?

you misspelt "banned".

true true

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that asshole on the left is in the smashing pumpkins :confused:

the answer is no. Corgan like most great songwriters only have a stretch of 5-10 years to write amazing stuff. After that, the inspiration no longer finds them.

the answer is no. Corgan like most great songwriters only have a stretch of 5-10 years to write amazing stuff. After that, the inspiration no longer finds them.

Bowie's new album is pretty impressive, so I don't agree.

Besides Bowie there are Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Loud Reed etc. blah blah. Bob Dylan. To say MOST great songwriters are done and burnt out after 5-10 years seems like an exaggeration. You never know.

He also thinks that since I am interested in a new SP album, I am stuck in the past and should find new music. However, he has stated he is on these boards and hasn't moved on because he likes all the old SP albums.

If Oceania was a debut record from some "joe-nobody" who didn't have that identifiable voice, you'd have no interest in it. You just like it cause it's "smashing pumpkins".

But heck, it's the same thing with Pearl Jam and STP and all of those other bands too... So you're not alone.

I'll give you a perfect example:

The STP guys put out a record with the lead singer from Filter a few years back called Army of anyone and nobody liked it. Now theres new STP singles that sound EXACTLY like Army of anyone and everyone likes it because it's "Stone temple Pilots" (the fame of the Linkin park guy helps too)...There is no difference in the music at all, the vocals even sound the same... But you slap on that STP label and have a famous guy linked to it and whoolah! Fans love it again!

You're like those people who still buy new Counting Crowes and Everclear albums only because they happened to enjoy a couple of their albums nearly 20 years ago.

Sure, it's still those voices that are recognizable from the songs they loved like "round here" and "santa monica" but those bands aren't creating anything as memorable as those tracks anymore.

It's the way she goes.

Dinosaur Jr was one of the few bands who were still putting out music as great as there old stuff... But even THEIR last album sucks ass.

What can ya do?

I did not like the line up in 2013. That has not changed, but I have been listening to oceania, I like the album now,

So you like the album, but don't like the line-up.... How does that make sense?

People listen to music by artists that they like, what nerve.

One could reply to this opinion like you did regarding Oceania, fuzzy:




Sure, you are into Jimmy. So for you every SP release without him is shit. Understandable. Doesn't mean that the songwriting on Zeitgeist is - objectively - superior to Oceania.

Since you are into Gaslight Anthem (which make me want to puke through my ears) it's a safe guess you're looking for something that Oceania doesn't have. That's fine, but doesn't make your opinion an expert rating.

Wrong. I think the songwriting is better on Zeitgeist. It's spotty, but I really liked the tracks: Thats the way, Ma belle, Tarantula, Pomp and Lets go... Songs like Stellar, Bleeding the Orchid and Stars all have their moments and are pretty solid in their own right.

Regarding Jimmy, You have to understand that a drummer of that caliber can really boost and compliment a song, thus improving the songwriting all on his own.

I've never understood why a musician who creates his own parts to a song doesn't get credit in the songwriting. You can have a lead guitarist creating all of his own parts to a song yet doesn't get credit for the songwriting... Even if it's his playing that really helps make the song awesome...

And it's true, you have Jimmy working out his parts while Billy's creating these Oceania songs and they may have turned out really cool. Who knows?- Same songwriting, totally different songs. That's why it's so crucial to have a good band to work with.

I've never understood why a musician who creates his own parts to a song doesn't get credit in the songwriting.
Royalties

And it's true, you have Jimmy working out his parts while Billy's creating these Oceania songs and they may have turned out really cool.Who knows?-Same songwriting, totally different songs. That's why it's so crucial to have a good band to work with.
"I love you 101%" doesn't automatically become a great song just by adding Jimmy drums. 70% of Zeitgeist is unlistenable to me, and I do love Chamberlin. But drums are not my main focus how I value a song.

the answer is no. Corgan like most great songwriters only have a stretch of 5-10 years to write amazing stuff. After that, the inspiration no longer finds them.

false.

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Besides Bowie there are Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Loud Reed etc. blah blah. Bob Dylan. To say MOST great songwriters are done and burnt out after 5-10 years seems like an exaggeration. You never know.

lou had a lot of misfires, but he didn't stop trying new stuff

Maybe within a couple of decades from now, Old Man Bill will have one of those old time musician "comebacks" thanks to a developed old man husk. He's got the eccentric political beliefs already. He's just going through an extended spiritual/Jesus stage.

Adding Neil Young and Johnny Cash to that list.

Maybe within a couple of decades from now, Old Man Bill will have one of those old time musician "comebacks" thanks to a developed old man husk. He's got the eccentric political beliefs already. He's just going through an extended spiritual/Jesus stage.

Adding Neil Young and Johnny Cash to that list.

I have a feeling Corgan is going to die within five years or so. Don't know why.

You guys are crazy - every single one of those "legendary" acts listed above went through a period (some longer than others) of releasing total shit that nobody cared about. Of course now you can look back with some hindsight and say oh wow that actually was a pretty good _______ record.

You all sound like casual fans

are there any current and relevant great songwriters out there?

i just don't think the industry fosters to that kind of talent anymore and hasn't in quite some time.

the answer is no. Corgan like most great songwriters only have a stretch of 5-10 years to write amazing stuff. After that, the inspiration no longer finds them.

That is idiotic.

Edit: Most songwriters have 5 to 10 years where the public actually has the attention span to care about them.

In rock music, it is true that the rule is that artists very quickly become self-indulgent, lazy, distracted, or just old and boring with nothing to say. There are lots of artists that are exceptions, but the majority go the other way.

You guys are crazy - every single one of those "legendary" acts listed above went through a period (some longer than others) of releasing total shit that nobody cared about. Of course now you can look back with some hindsight and say oh wow that actually was a pretty good _______ record.

well the question was ever again and not consistently

That is idiotic.

Edit: Most songwriters have 5 to 10 years where the public actually has the attention span to care about them.

Agreed. Corgan did solid stuff between 1999-2004, even if the public started neglecting them around that time. SP's spotlight years were undeniably between 1993-1997.

I'm gonna level with all of you. The reason I started this thread was to hear opinions on whether or not Corgan will come out of this spiritual/godloving phase, and start writing songs that don't sound like a 12 year olds first grasp of chords (see Freedom Rider).

I don't care if it's dark, artsy, cloudy or purely depressing, as long as the music is good, and it has the elements of classic SP (and nonetheless, classic Corgan) - I would only need a few more songs to close the book on SP forever. Will Corgan ever provide these songs before his death? That remains to be seen.

If Oceania was a debut record from some "joe-nobody" who didn't have that identifiable voice, you'd have no interest in it. You just like it cause it's "smashing pumpkins".

I don't understand this statement? I like most of Billy Corgan's song writing. If I am not interested in a copy cat SP band, means I don't truly like the album?

Also, I don't know what his voice has to do with it. Many prefer songs sung by say Ella Fitzgerald over others, does that mean that someone has to like every interpretation of a song to like that song?


I'll give you a perfect example:

The STP guys put out a record with the lead singer from Filter a few years back called Army of anyone and nobody liked it. Now theres new STP singles that sound EXACTLY like Army of anyone and everyone likes it because it's "Stone temple Pilots" (the fame of the Linkin park guy helps too)...There is no difference in the music at all, the vocals even sound the same... But you slap on that STP label and have a famous guy linked to it and whoolah! Fans love it again!

You're like those people who still buy new Counting Crowes and Everclear albums only because they happened to enjoy a couple of their albums nearly 20 years ago.

So you like the album, but don't like the line-up.... How does that make sense?

TL;DR

Wrong. I think the songwriting is better on Zeitgeist. It's spotty, but I really liked the tracks: Thats the way, Ma belle, Tarantula, Pomp and Lets go... Songs like Stellar, Bleeding the Orchid and Stars all have their moments and are pretty solid in their own right.

um, in the words of Jeff Foxworthy... you might be a redneck

Regarding Jimmy, You have to understand that a drummer of that caliber can really boost and compliment a song, thus improving the songwriting all on his own.

In the words of you: "If Oceania was a debut record from some "joe-nobody" who didn't have that identifiable voice, you'd have no interest in it. You just like it cause it's "smashing pumpkins"" — Fuzzyhoes

you are contradicting yourself.


I've never understood why a musician who creates his own parts to a song doesn't get credit in the songwriting. You can have a lead guitarist creating all of his own parts to a song yet doesn't get credit for the songwriting... Even if it's his playing that really helps make the song awesome...

And it's true, you have Jimmy working out his parts while Billy's creating these Oceania songs and they may have turned out really cool. Who knows?- Same songwriting, totally different songs. That's why it's so crucial to have a good band to work with.

first of all, is it hard to type with jimmy's dick in your mouth?

Second of all, you bitched so much to tell me at the end I was right and to CONTRADICT YOURSELF AGAIN??

In the words of you: "If Oceania was a debut record from some "joe-nobody" who didn't have that identifiable voice, you'd have no interest in it. You just like it cause it's "smashing pumpkins"" — Fuzzyhoes

I'm gonna level with all of you. The reason I started this thread was to hear opinions on whether or not Corgan will come out of this spiritual/godloving phase, and start writing songs that don't sound like a 12 year olds first grasp of chords (see Freedom Rider).

I don't care if it's dark, artsy, cloudy or purely depressing, as long as the music is good, and it has the elements of classic SP (and nonetheless, classic Corgan) - I would only need a few more songs to close the book on SP forever. Will Corgan ever provide these songs before his death? That remains to be seen.

Freedom rider is for sure trash. I actually been playing with a friend of mine because pavementune challenged me to improve it. I wrote a bass part for it. it is okay. It is pretty lame for corgan.

Freedom rider is for sure trash. I actually been playing with a friend of mine because pavementune challenged me to improve it. I wrote a bass part for it. it is okay. It is pretty lame for corgan.

It is an acoustic song, and I understand that. But so is Disarm, and that really puts things in perspective.

Agreed. Corgan did solid stuff between 1999-2004, even if the public started neglecting them around that time. SP's spotlight years were undeniably between 1993-1997.


either way that's about 5-10 years...duh

It is an acoustic song, and I understand that. But so is Disarm, and that really puts things in perspective.

I think if you look at things that are acoustic and more recent you can find a lot more interesting stuff.

though in corgan's defence he has said the song isn't good.

false.

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you name one guy, therefore, not false

That is idiotic.

Edit: Most songwriters have 5 to 10 years where the public actually has the attention span to care about them.

public loses interest cause most great songwriters will not maintain writing great quality songs after 10 years.

I think it has to do with inspiration and having other shit to do. Or finding new interests.

I think corgan is an amazing song writer, the songs I dislike doesn't change that. To me Billy is like Prince, untouchable when he creates his more devine songs (Tonight, Tonight/Purple Rain) but they both have serious misses because they both take risks.

you name one guy, therefore, not false

i see you used the qualifier most, well played

you're right then because all i got is leonard cohen

public loses interest cause most great songwriters will not maintain writing great quality songs after 10 years.

also fuck the public i mean who gives a shit

i adore sleater-kinney and carrie is known by the public as the lady on portlandia

and not the completely killer mistress of monster riffs that she is

but i don't need them to know i just do and that's fine :)

SWERRRK WWAARRNG

lot of yall think public recognition is a legitimizer

it's really not, i mean van gogh was not popular at the time, velvet underground and nico was not a big album by sales and public appreciation (yet it reverberated throughout time and space...)

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velvet underground and nico was not a big album by sales and public appreciation (yet it reverberated throughout time and space...)

excellent example. have been reading up on this crew and it took 20 years since they broke up before they actually made any money from their albums. I still haven't checked out the recently reissued ultra deluxe version of White Light/White Heat recently released last month. only mention that because this is the first time these albums are getting proper feature-length reissuing.

but they are definitely the exception and not the rule. they maintained to be fairly underground through their original career, because the pun was a part of their name.

i disagree, i think some of the most influential things happen to be unknowns that become celebrated by a later movement

we're posting on a board devoted to a popular band whose roots descend from the 80s american underground and the obscure-in-america shoegazing movement

I'm posting on this board 'cause my dad got me the oceania cd for christmas (chris griffin voice and laugh)




I'm watching family guy right now :/

i disagree, i think some of the most influential things happen to be unknowns that become celebrated by a later movementt

no i agree with this i was only talking in terms of record sales and money going to the band to live on, not just fuel more touring.

which to me is what marks a true headliner from a strictly underground act. can you also afford the luxuries via being a band? all of those bands referred to earlier had the money and the fame not necessarily just the strenght of influence. it happens. no disrespect to VU in the slightest but its the reality of their situation from a record industry perspective.

I'm watching family guy right now :/

I won't lie I somehow started watching this on Netflix. It reminds me being at home at my dad's and he puts on this show on AU at 11:00 and 11:30 and when it's over he goes to bed and robot chicken is playing and i'm alone and i hate it.

so like the level of hate for robot chicken makes me really relish the previous moments spent watching family guy with my dad

boooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg

well it takes a lot of eggs to bake a ham

february 27

DAY I...

...seventeen pieces in deplorable state...all connection betwixt laughter and solemn demise we are
finally here...a lost shadow and two unnamed twins reporting as messenger for the one with
unreflected praise and paradigm...and so the questions must be answered and the truth be
told...from meaning to wisdom and discernment to symbolism...time has gone but preparation left
unsaid...only a few knew of the task yet nothing has taken place...morose moons and a fading
sun...it will fall soon...here is qyuestion ONE...

WHO IS JUNE?

...a three part answer that finally breaks the rivets of icy machines...a key...the key...my impetus...my motivation
to write all songs...a girl who's literal name was JUNE met in '88...my true love...she became my symbol yet
disappeared...a childish call...a literal form dissolved into theme and meaning only...so that any love thereafer
took her form...and now and always Yelena...and any love any true love...the band was love and the band was
JUNE until its agape faded...

...agape...philia...storge...eros...

...and the ides of march appear...and they knew what hit them...music so divine...symbols reigning
supreme and calls of laughter echoing through valleys in disproportionate measures until they are in ecstasy...

february 28

DAY II…

…question within questions intrigue the solemn mind…worry not…all is answered in Medellia’s time…

IS JUNE DEAD?

…while her influence rang divine her presence nullified…she lives within hearts of reason…and to see her would cause a leap of oblivious laughter…sarcastic nuances that parade my psyche…it was never her but the thought of her…she’s not dead but lives on…her personal inspiration gave way in ’95 when in a horrible car accident…i realized i didn’t really care about her…june became my love of love rather than my love of june…all was lost in motor crash except for a name that took on variations…and now I have her…


march 1

DAY III

...standing amidst a blooming field of fledgling poppies and wild willows she asks herself to stop crying...but she never will...for picked too early by tulip bulbed hearts and watered too frequently by pillow drawn clouds she tumbled, drowned, and withered...and all my fault...

WHAT DOES D'ARCY HAVE TO DO WITH THE MEANING?

...a story threefold only one of which will be discussed at present...infatuation...perhaps love...an unborn child...no specifics...tension...regret...and we just didn't get along...a problem: the phoenix...a child: the dwarf...a miscarriage...child his...he's gone...the dwarf disappears...she leaves...i miss her...but all is forgotten...

...and the children cry in dismay...and worry throughout the day...all will be clear in a matter to hear...just follow the ides each day...

so like the level of hate for robot chicken makes me really relish the previous moments spent watching family guy with my dad

I hate robot chicken so god damn much. I just sit through it to watch archer reruns after.

so...many...ellipses...

I hate robot chicken so god damn much.

it is seriously the worst thing i have ever seen on tv.

so you never saw assy mcgee i take it

i must confess i really loved what robot chicken did with the GWB action figure

lol no?

edit: re:assy mcgee

Ads for Assy's Scion/Used Car dealership began to appear in Season 2 of the show and are the result of an exclusive sponsored placement of the Scion product

"So, Toyota. Adult Swim here. So what do you say about having a talking butt sell Scions?"

idk why but this is what popped into my head

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i feel like the whole channel is some kind of abstract art piece

Series finale. Assy must confront his fear of squirrels.

Ads for Assy's Scion/Used Car dealership began to appear in Season 2 of the show and are the result of an exclusive sponsored placement of the Scion product

ah - i remember aqua teen doing that with a cell phone

dude that was like the worst thing i can not watch another episode of snuff box

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it was also an episode

is adult swim still exactly the same these days, do they just gasp and wheeze between new venture brothers blocks

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haha classic

i'm pretty sure boost is run by the kkk

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lolol

i only go to local shops, for local people.

dude that was like the worst thing i can not watch another episode of snuff box

i didn't like it at first but several months later it had wormed its way in my head. only 6 eps. the theme song is hypnotizing and weaves in and out of every episode with subtle changes.

i feel like a lot of the show is about memory and how memories change.

the peaks of the show are truly awful to truly sublime its extremely difficult to describe to anyone. i'm more interested in how the show is written, in the ways that tiny bits of story are interwoven into something like a sketch comedy show mixed with real drama - kind of like the league of gentlemen is tied to royston vasey - this show is tied around two hangmen.

i actually didn't expect snuff box to have a plot, that's my favorite aspect of league

i think that's really what makes it work, that there's a comedic plot at work not just horrible people being horrible to other horrible people

there's one excruciating early segment with a man being led down various corridors for several minutes only to be beaten by a gang of men holding "golf sale" signs.

or the one where guys are rapping about having babies.

just painful to watch but juxtaposed with other scenes creates something else entirely.

considering english humor i can't believe schadenfreude has no english analogue

or the one where guys are rapping about having babies.

sorry i checked out after this and le piss and le poo

i actually didn't expect snuff box to have a plot, that's my favorite aspect of league

i think that's really what makes it work, that there's a comedic plot at work not just horrible people being horrible to other horrible people

there is a plot. the shopkeepers want to keep everyone out of royston vasey - ie the new road. jobs are low. the ****** cab driver is awaiting a sex change. the aunt and uncle are breeding frogs with a relative in town. and it all takes place in royston vasey. its a lot like northern exposure as far as multiple plots go.

no know league has a huge plot there's an entire dramatic structure and story arcs, i love it for that

i love their sense of payoff, the story arcs usually result in doom, like the toad breeders wind up being captured by their own children

or something i'm really high, mayfucks here he'll make fun of us

sorry i checked out after this and le piss and le poo

i know, but part of me suspects after watching the entire run of episodes that things like this are done intentionally. it's supposed to be tedious at times.

idk if you've checked out "the royle family" yet but i suspect you might not like it either. it's not heavy on jokes and punchlines either.

or something i'm really high, mayfucks here he'll make fun of us


i'm here for you

i know, but part of me suspects after watching the entire run of episodes that things like this are done intentionally. it's supposed to be tedious at times.

idk if you've checked out "the royle family" yet but i suspect you might not like it either. it's not heavy on jokes and punchlines either.

you realize i am a huge league fan right

A whisper to a screammm

"Haha, I made a joke" #chrisgriffenvoice

I don't understand this statement? I like most of Billy Corgan's song writing. If I am not interested in a copy cat SP band, means I don't truly like the album?

Also, I don't know what his voice has to do with it. Many prefer songs sung by say Ella Fitzgerald over others, does that mean that someone has to like every interpretation of a song to like that song?






TL;DR



um, in the words of Jeff Foxworthy... you might be a redneck



In the words of you: "If Oceania was a debut record from some "joe-nobody" who didn't have that identifiable voice, you'd have no interest in it. You just like it cause it's "smashing pumpkins"" — Fuzzyhoes

you are contradicting yourself.



first of all, is it hard to type with jimmy's dick in your mouth?

Second of all, you bitched so much to tell me at the end I was right and to CONTRADICT YOURSELF AGAIN??

In the words of you: "If Oceania was a debut record from some "joe-nobody" who didn't have that identifiable voice, you'd have no interest in it. You just like it cause it's "smashing pumpkins"" — Fuzzyhoes

I have no idea what you're flapping your gums about.

You're clearly missing the point, but then again you admittedly didn't even READ the core of the message that I posted... So I'm not even sure why you're trying to debate with me when you don't even know what you're trying to debate.

Whenever I read fuzzyhoe's posts I think like it is written by a guy who resembles "the situation". Gym. tan. laundry.

I demand you go and enjoy One Diamond-One heart this instant

Juliana's going to love Oceania 101 percent

You are infatuated with me. I don't date juice heads.

what's a juice head?

i think that fuzz has curly brown hair and a variety of those really worn trucker hats, and his hair sticks out from all sides and he's got a cowrie necklace

haha sounds about right

I have a feeling Corgan is going to die within five years or so. Don't know why.

did anyone say "monte" yet

hahaha

Are Corgan and Monte still working together? Haven't heard much on that front lately.

working together