it used to be a tradition when a new album rolled out i'd listen to the whole thing right away. but i'm older and pumpkins aren't a big part of my life like they used to be. so when oceania leaked i shuffled through a few songs, listened to a few that i liked during workouts or whatever and never really went back to it.

so i went on a roadtrip and decided it was time to put the cd in and listen to it from start to finish. i was surprised how good it was. it didn't BURN THE LIES OFF MY SOUL and didn't redeem alot of billiam's bullshit the past five years (or not entirely) but it took the siamese dream - adore era sound and contemporized it in a way that wasn't a rote rehash. even when the album's lesser second half where it goes all punk pop, songs like chimera were pretty good. i'll probably get sent to the shed for this but i didn't have any problems with the drumming.

it think the only song i didn't like was glissandra. violet rays kind of drones on, seems overly dramatic and doesn't go anywhere, but alot of people seemed to like it so i dunno. oceania and PALE HARSE did some cool things new to "the band", probably more than the entirety of zietgeist. but ultimately i agree with the pitchfork review that not a whole lot of new terrain was to be found here

8.0/10, would buy from them again

some of the songs have potential and some moments of brilliance peeking through (like all bill's work, even zeitgeist), but ultimately not that rewarding because it does nothing exciting. lyrics are very bad in general.

still, it's such an improvement over the other teargarden material, it's pretty striking comparatively.

6/10

F, very poor even for you

i wanted to quote a bad lyric from the album all in caps but then i realized i don't even remember a single line from that album. so impressively forgettable

THOARAZINE PALA HOAAAAAAAAAARSE

im gonna love you one hundred plus procent

i'm good.

juan hundred jaunnn percent

oh, is it 101%?

you're better than me.

yeah thats one thing i forgot to mention. the lyrics are pretty unrelatable but i guess i tuned out them and gave it no second thought since billy is pretty much a 47 year old omega concern with millions of dollars now. gotta play the expectations game sometimes

you're tr00er than me.

fixed

KRISHNA
RIDE ON

GAHD

RAIDE AWN

CHICKEN IN MY HEART!

glissandra is the only one I don't really like either

I can't listen to oceania now, it's gonna increase the depression :[

EVERYTHING IAH WANT IS FREE

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it used to be a tradition when a new album rolled out i'd listen to the whole thing right away. but i'm older and pumpkins aren't a big part of my life like they used to be. so when oceania leaked i shuffled through a few songs, listened to a few that i liked during workouts or whatever and never really went back to it.

so i went on a roadtrip and decided it was time to put the cd in and listen to it from start to finish.

I've done the same thing a few months ago, it still sucked pretty hard...

I did the same with zeitgeist a few years ago, it sounded worse the first listen...

Don't dislike the album, just don't find myself going back to it too often. Oceania (song) was murdered in the studio, pity. Still like Panopticon and One Diamond every now and then.

it used to be a tradition when a new album rolled out i'd listen to the whole thing right away. but i'm older and pumpkins aren't a big part of my life like they used to be. so when oceania leaked i shuffled through a few songs, listened to a few that i liked during workouts or whatever and never really went back to it.

so i went on a roadtrip and decided it was time to put the cd in and listen to it from start to finish. i was surprised how good it was. it didn't BURN THE LIES OFF MY SOUL and didn't redeem alot of billiam's bullshit the past five years (or not entirely) but it took the siamese dream - adore era sound and contemporized it in a way that wasn't a rote rehash. even when the album's lesser second half where it goes all punk pop, songs like chimera were pretty good. i'll probably get sent to the shed for this but i didn't have any problems with the drumming.

it think the only song i didn't like was glissandra. violet rays kind of drones on, seems overly dramatic and doesn't go anywhere, but alot of people seemed to like it so i dunno. oceania and PALE HARSE did some cool things new to "the band", probably more than the entirety of zietgeist. but ultimately i agree with the pitchfork review that not a whole lot of new terrain was to be found here

8.0/10, would buy from them again

The bad news is Oceania has no staying power. While you may think it's pretty good now, a year from now it will be 'meh'. Oceania is not good for repeat listening.

i've been listening to one diamond and a few others throughout the year.. this is really a 'one year later...' thread more than anything

but i agree... the album doesn't really have legs

I agree with everyone who said it has no staying power. I was pretty pumped about it first listen, but it fades quickly. I kind of dig Glissandra though... the emphasis on shoegaze thing is really the only part of Oceania's sound that sets it apart from all other SP records. It's like Siamese Dream w/o the Sabbath. Chimera is the worst one by far, it's fucking horrible. Even there though, the guitar solo fucking kills. So frustrating to hear little moments of greatness drowning in shit

also Jimmy could have made some of these songs fucking destroy, but mike is just not good enough to bring out their full potential

i liked the MBV nod with glissandra.. but i felt it should've went all the way with shoegazy pedal effects and everything. just sounds kind of neutered in that regard. i don't dislike it but i do skip past it almost always

also Jimmy could have made some of these songs fucking destroy, but mike is just not good enough to bring out their full potential

Panopticon would've been incredible. Non-spastic tom riff in the verses and loud wash on the ride during the chorus.

Fucking asshole.

Yes, I was going to mention Panopticon as the clearest example for how Mike is wasting the moderate potential some of these songs have.

The bad news is Oceania has no staying power. While you may think it's pretty good now, a year from now it will be 'meh'. Oceania is not good for repeat listening.

Holy shit it's been a year since Oceania was released.

And five years since Zeitgeist.

Panopticon would've been incredible.




i don't know, that "rise! love is here" is irredeemable, jimmy or sans

The problem is that the good bits on this album are not signs of Billy's potential, ready to break through and make something brilliant again, but the last, fading remnants of his most special gifts, dying off forever.

It sucks to get old?

And five years since Zeitgeist.

fears years from machina to tfe too

Five years between SP forming and releaseing SD.

9 months between babby formed

sine

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Hated this album on first listen. I've tried to like it, and I guess the hate has turned to dislike. Still, the only songs I ever find myself wanting to hear are Pinwheels and Oceania. Sometimes I lazily let the rest of the album play after those 2 and it isn't horrible I guess, but nothing I would go out of my way to listen to.

Zeitgeist & friends are great, though.

And five years since Zeitgeist.

it's more than 6.

the album is pretty good, just well short of any original SP release. I find it does stand up well to repeated plays. I really disliked the last 4 songs initially but they've grown on me. would jimmy have pushed some of these songs further? maybe so, although of course he did play on the 2 TbK EPs so possibly not. the lyrics are pretty weak in places. actually, I think the band did about as well as could be expected with the songs - the opposite to Zeitgeist, where virtually every one was messed up to some degree.

it's more than 6.

I carnt math

he did play on the 2 TbK EPs

No.

what are you talking about Ram, he did.

what are you talking about Ram, he did.

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I thought it was patently known that Mike drummed on TbK.

no it was a Roland 808 the whole time

I wish it was.

this guy has mistaken byrne's drumming for jimmy's?!

OFF WIT HIS HED

tried this 3 times and still was unable to keep from skipping tracks.

i think i only 'like' two songs.

'like'

The last two are the only that are kind of tolerable. I actually kind of like Owata, especially with Jim.

Sailor is okay, sort of, just boring. Kind of like Spaceboy.

Astral Planes is fucking shit. Drums are from a generic soft rock song when it needed Geek USA or something.

Fucking hell, i was certain Jimmy had played on the 1st EP.

it's more than 6.

the album is pretty good, just well short of any original SP release. I find it does stand up well to repeated plays. I really disliked the last 4 songs initially but they've grown on me. would jimmy have pushed some of these songs further? maybe so, although of course he did play on the 2 TbK EPs so possibly not. the lyrics are pretty weak in places. actually, I think the band did about as well as could be expected with the songs - the opposite to Zeitgeist, where virtually every one was messed up to some degree.

gotta be kidding, right!?

Zeitgeist is objectivly waaaaay better than Machina or Gish (or Pisces). Any time, any day.
it is there with Adore, MCIS, and SD.

just listen to the album and stop comparing it. the fact Iha and D'arcy aren't there doesn't make it a bad album.

So Trots, and CAIC- I see that you have missed a typo in the original post of this thread. I have highlighted it in red for you. I think policing all the grammar here is definitely best practice.. Especially if you're chained to a desk all day and have nothing better to do.

your butt still hurts eh

please don't quote macgayver's posts. thank you.

gotta be kidding, right!?

Zeitgeist is objectivly waaaaay better than Machina or Gish (or Pisces). Any time, any day.
it is there with Adore, MCIS, and SD.

just listen to the album and stop comparing it. the fact Iha and D'arcy aren't there doesn't make it a bad album.

lol no

zeitgeist is not TERRIBLE but all of those albums have much higher highs. the best parts of Zeitgeist are just like "oh, cool"... compare that shit to something like Hummer or fucking Blank Page or Rhino etc? lol no

and pisces is fucking incredible

HELLO
KITTY
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SLIT MY WRISTS AND DIE A WHORE

gotta be kidding, right!?

Zeitgeist is objectivly waaaaay better than Machina or Gish (or Pisces). Any time, any day.
it is there with Adore, MCIS, and SD.

just listen to the album and stop comparing it. the fact Iha and D'arcy aren't there doesn't make it a bad album.

kidding? no.

think you're mixing up actual objectivity with your subjective opinion. if you look hard enough you can find some people who rate one album above another, even against a general consensus view. your opinion is right for you, but you cannot expect others to share it. it is highly unlikely you would find many SP fans who share your opinion, even with Machina.

James and D'arcy weren't on Oceania too and imo it was a lot better than Zeitgeist. the songs written for Zeitgeist weren't necessarily bad, it was the way they went about putting them together for the CD. effectively, Billy and the producers sabotaged the album. there's so many things i dislike about it (like i said, every song has something that jars or irritates) that i don't even think a remix would fix it.

imo you all suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still like Oceania

Oceania is an incredibly boring album.

Fucking hell, i was certain Jimmy had played on the 1st EP.

You thought Jimmy was playing on Astral Planes? Dear lord, please pass me whatever your smoking!

Oceania is an incredibly boring album.

People just like Oceania in relation to the awfulness that was Teargarden.

The mixing and production is A LOT better on Oceania than it was on Zeitgeist... But that's about it...

Theres just no substance on Oceania... Nothing I wanna go back and revisit... Corgans lost his touch.

Zeitgeist is objectivly waaaaay better than Machina or Gish (or Pisces). Any time, any day.
it is there with Adore, MCIS, and SD.

I don't always post but when I do I prefer to laugh at croPUMPKINS

NUKE CRAOTIA!!!1

Send the Serbs back in there. They'll take care of the problem.

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didn't you hear its not funny anymore

gotta be kidding, right!?

Zeitgeist is objectivly waaaaay better than Machina or Gish (or Pisces). Any time, any day.
it is there with Adore, MCIS, and SD.


hahaha what the fuck

F, very poor even for you

even for you

People just like Oceania in relation to the awfulness that was Teargarden.

The mixing and production is A LOT better on Oceania than it was on Zeitgeist... But that's about it...

Theres just no substance on Oceania... Nothing I wanna go back and revisit... Corgans lost his touch.

At least Teargarden had A Song for a Son which is far better than anything found on Oceania. On the other hand though it also had Astral Planes though which is such a huge joke of a song.

But yeah, both Teargarden and Oceania were nothing worth speaking of.

Song for a Bong sucked, there are a bunch of songs on Oceania which are better

That's simply not true and a song for a son isn't even a great song or anything close to it. But it definitely rises above the rest of the shit.

Quasar is one of the worst songs ever written. Horrible album opener.

disagree, Quasar is one of the better songs on Oceania and the closest to classic Pumpkins on the whole record.

Banana, Song for Song sounded pretty good live in 2008 but the recording is fucking. horrible. I don't know how anyone who is not a deaf person who could think it's better than Panopticon or Celestials

the closest to classic Pumpkins on the whole record.



That gives it zero redeeming value

Also the opening guitar doesn't sound like cherub rock it's cant stop by rhcp

Quasar is awful.
if I listen to the album, i'll be skipping it. along with the last 4 songs. total drivel.
soon enough I'll be skipping past Panopticon & The Celestials too. 7/13, not bad for an old bald guy.

quasar bad, one diamond bad, that one faster paced one later on is annoying, the rest is pretty good.

quasar is the only one with any teeth. the lyrics suck, the music is good. the only truly bad ones are chimera and wildflower

quasar is one of the best songs of their catalogue all of you are just stupid

songs 2-5 are a pretty okay stretch then that awful song that sounds like a TFE outtake comes on

i will admit that i do like the muffled basement-sounding lead guitar tone that comes in towards the beginning of quasar but that in and of itself is what's horrible with the song: bunch of old men concerned about guitar tone.

Billy's lyrics suck now and his vocal performances are hollow. That being said, I dig "Pale Horse." Bass line reminds me of Giah-era Pumpkins and Billy's vocals are cool.

Should the band have named "Gish," "Giah?"

quasar was the first song in forever where the vox wasn't dry as fuck, so it immediately scored points with me.

it's a pretty good call-back to the gish/SD era but naturally it feels pretty been there/done that

quasar was the first song in forever where the vox wasn't dry as fuck, so it immediately scored points with me.

it's a pretty good call-back to the gish/SD era but naturally it feels pretty been there/done that

yeah pretty much dead on

NUKE CRAOTIA!!!1

Good to see you are still alive - bad to see you are still active. Out of your 20.750 posts - 2'.500 are the same. Shame you know so little about the band.

Send the Serbs back in there. They'll take care of the problem.

what did you do during history class?? The last thing thing they could take care of was your mother, but that brought us just another emotionally hurt retard. Oh wait a minute, I suppose a kid from a loser nation naturaly gives support to someone he can identify with.

Nevertheless, good to see your post is relevant. ...as always!

Shame you know so little about the band.
yes, it's a real shame.

lol

where can I learn about the band? the Oboard is down!

your life and everyone else's will improve a lot when you know more about the band. it's a shame you know so little about the band. it's a real shame.

disagree, Quasar is one of the better songs on Oceania and the closest to classic Pumpkins on the whole record.

Banana, Song for Song sounded pretty good live in 2008 but the recording is fucking. horrible. I don't know how anyone who is not a deaf person who could think it's better than Panopticon or Celestials

agreed, had high hopes for it after hearing it live (familiar theme) but is got semi-neutered in the studio, don't hate it, it was just another missed opportunity to break out of the mediocrity of SP 2.0.

songs 2-5 are a pretty okay stretch then that awful song that sounds like a TFE outtake comes on

gotta say i totally hated One Diamond on first listen, now i kind of like it, it's a curio.

i just dislike it because i never liked that breathy electronic pop sound that billy came up with for his solo album. its the first time his vocal melodies consistently went completely to shit like he finally didn't have a guitar to keep a cadence anymore so the words are all over the skittering computer drum patterns (which is another vote for jim keeping it all together).

i mean peter murphy is cool and all but bauhaus was better.

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best album ever

oboard is back up, don't worry

woah, TFE-era Billy was one skinny guy. he's twice the man now!

i just dislike it because i never liked that breathy electronic pop sound that billy came up with for his solo album. its the first time his vocal melodies consistently went completely to shit like he finally didn't have a guitar to keep a cadence anymore so the words are all over the skittering computer drum patterns (which is another vote for jim keeping it all together).

yeah i know what you mean, it's maybe my least favourite of his stylings. it's kinda twee but that particular song is a little warmer sounding than many others, especially off TFE.

Billy's lyrics suck now and his vocal performances are hollow. That being said, I dig "Pale Horse." Bass line reminds me of Giah-era Pumpkins and Billy's vocals are cool.

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