View Full Version : Audience recordings sound 'false' on Live Inside the Dark Globe


HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 02:16 AM
Is it just me?
Listen to Where Boys Fear to Tread (Live in Cleveland/1996). Around the minute mark Billy plays one of the last intro-riffs before the song starts and when he ends it, the audience make a noise that sounds like they're surprised? What... Listen to it yourselves.

And furthermore, no one is singing along to BWBW in Los Angeles in 1996 or even Tonight Tonight in New York? I find that very hard to believe. Every bootleg/pro-shot I've ever watched/listened to from the MCIS tour had people singing along to the songs, and yes their voices were very audible.
Why is this the case on LITDG?
For God sakes, people aren't even screaming that much when they hear the opening words/riff on BWBW(?)!

Shallowed
07-31-2013, 02:19 AM
Oh now you tell us. You should have said something back in 1996.

HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 02:26 AM
Oh now you tell us. You should have said something back in 1996.
I was only 13 during the MCIS tour, must have been too young and too ignorant to have noticed such a thing. Also, I started listening to them in late 1997 which made the 1996 tour pro-shots from the US pretty hard to find, especially in Europe at that time.

Pizza Club
07-31-2013, 06:54 AM
That live disc is not like a mix of a live show I've ever heard of the band. That's why.

HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 07:08 AM
That live disc is not like a mix of a live show I've ever heard of the band. That's why.

...That was the whole point of the thread :dammit:

soniclovenoize
07-31-2013, 10:01 AM
Generally speaking, many live albums also incorporate audience mics into the mix to get a fuller "live ambient" sound as well as the direct feed. It could very well be just that you are hearing. At the very start of the 30 min Silverfuck, you can actually hear some audience member's conversation...

zerojay
07-31-2013, 11:34 AM
HereIsNoWhy4U, welcome to the world of soundboards.

T&T
07-31-2013, 11:39 AM
they mix in and out the audience as desired.
how much production edits did they make? probably over a thousand - that's the nature of the recorded audio.
is it fake? no, i'm certain it's not an audience from a concert of a different band.

slunken
07-31-2013, 01:12 PM
The studio recordings sound more 'false' to me. Sometimes I hear more than two guitars at the same time how can they do this?

soniclovenoize
07-31-2013, 01:28 PM
Oh he's specifically talking about the delayed cheer?

Well yeah, of course. That's when the majority of the audience recognized it. That happens all the time. There's so many bootlegs were the audience doesn't actually start cheering until the first line is sung in songs like Disarm or Today even...

killtrocity
07-31-2013, 02:04 PM
suck a polar bear's funky ass with Heinz tomato ketchup

redbull
07-31-2013, 02:11 PM
suck a cheetah's dick

HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 02:41 PM
Nice vocabulary.

HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 02:43 PM
exactly...nothing 'false' sounding to me about this disc to me either.. and when the minute mark hits is when the song actually starts (which means naturally the crowd gets excited)..they would usually just put a long intro before WTBFTT during that era jamming out before the riff actually started. So most of the audience probably didn't know what song it was until then...IMO this live disc is one of the best things ever put together by the band.. awesome setlist, the versions of each song have so much energy- and the way they snuck in 'beautiful' on the end of porcelina gives me a chubby.. so yea, this live disc is no bullshit..

Yeah, no I love the disc. I was only surprised by the choice of editing the audience to an extent that made their reactions during the song sound 'un-human'.

soniclovenoize
07-31-2013, 02:53 PM
But they didn't.

HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 02:58 PM
But they didn't.

They audience make non-normal gushes and sighs during some songs, and no one sings along to the hits. If you ever watched a bootleg from that era, you would know how an audience really reacted at a Pumpkins show post-MCIS.

soniclovenoize
07-31-2013, 03:11 PM
Well, seeming as I know because I was at one of these 1996 shows...

HereIsNoWhy4U
07-31-2013, 03:25 PM
Well, seeming as I know because I was at one of these 1996 shows...

I saw them during the MCIS era as well. And my memory is probably more fresh than yours.

soniclovenoize
07-31-2013, 03:31 PM
If you say so.

Future Boy
07-31-2013, 03:38 PM
Im going to go with HereIsNoWhy4ever on this one Sonic.

soniclovenoize
07-31-2013, 03:41 PM
You are free to believe the observation of a 13 year old over that of a 16 year old.

Future Boy
07-31-2013, 03:49 PM
thanks

bs1933
07-31-2013, 09:05 PM
This HereIsNoWay character really seems to be shaking things up around here.

Sonic Johnny
08-01-2013, 12:20 AM
Thread is a perfect microcosm of this board.

HereIsNoWhy4U
08-01-2013, 06:38 AM
This HereIsNoWay character really seems to be shaking things up around here.

Well, I was originally on this forum from 2002-04, but since then I haven't really scooped around here that much. Sorry for any inconvenience.

morumbeer
08-01-2013, 11:26 PM
not at all

Ram27
02-14-2015, 11:38 PM
Generally speaking, many live albums also incorporate audience mics into the mix to get a fuller "live ambient" sound as well as the direct feed. It could very well be just that you are hearing. At the very start of the 30 min Silverfuck, you can actually hear some audience member's conversation...

That was Billy and Jimmy

'what're we doing?'

'silverfuck!'

'huh?'

'silverfuck!'

'oh'

chickchickchickchickchick

Ram27
02-14-2015, 11:41 PM
Yeah, no I love the disc. I was only surprised by the choice of editing the audience to an extent that made their reactions during the song sound 'un-human'.

I don't think it was edited, just that lots of people who saw the band were very casual fans

Butt Pope
02-14-2015, 11:57 PM
suck a cheetah's dick
.

thedeadofnight
02-15-2015, 01:25 AM
I hate the intro to Where Boys. Its just 4 idiots jamming out. Doesn't belong on a masterpiece album. It ruins it as a whole, can't take it seriously after that

dodoz
02-15-2015, 03:23 AM
Just about every show I have heard with "Where Boys Fear to Tread" has a reaction from the crowd during that break...It's the start of the show! Pumped up crowd!

It's actually LUCKY that there is some audience sounds bleeding in - most soundboard tapes don't even have an audience sound - just the faint roar inbetween songs sounding like the wind or something. Just listen to how distant it sounds on the NY Silverfuck. So distant. That's the reason why you're not going to hear people sing along during hits.

I don't know to what extent the Pumpkins had a room/ambience mic for these recordings. Maybe they did NOT and just added some audience sound from wherever for the release. Or maybe they did decide to leave the audience out in the mix.

dodoz
02-15-2015, 03:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_fB5x-QXM0&t=1m40s Faint crowd sound singing "love is suicide" on a basic soundboard recording.

bunny
02-15-2015, 10:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_fB5x-QXM0&t=1m40s Faint crowd sound singing "love is suicide" on a basic soundboard recording.

what a beautiful song.

ninsp
02-15-2015, 12:28 PM
Stop Making Sense did the same thing and it's the best live album ever. Your point?

werideatdusk
02-15-2015, 03:08 PM
I hate the intro to Where Boys. Its just 4 idiots jamming out. Doesn't belong on a masterpiece album. It ruins it as a whole, can't take it seriously after that

the pumpkins were just four idiots jamming out. why not reveal a bit of their process in the album itself? i think its a brilliant intro

Elphenor
02-15-2015, 03:21 PM
The intro is amazing...

dodoz
02-15-2015, 03:57 PM
Stop Making Sense did the same thing and it's the best live album ever. Your point?

It was probably overdubbed to death though.

ninsp
02-15-2015, 04:35 PM
It was probably overdubbed to death though.

Your point is...?

Poots
02-15-2015, 06:54 PM
the pumpkins were just four idiots jamming out. why not reveal a bit of their process in the album itself? i think its a brilliant intro

agreed. Coming out of the perfection of Siamese Dream, it was a different choice made by the band and very cool. Like the intro to the Beatles "Taxman"--showing a bit of the process

dodoz
02-16-2015, 01:00 PM
Your point is...?

Stop Making Sense is overdubbed (like 99% of live albums are to an extent), whereas Live Inside the Dark Globe isn't. Just pointing that out.

houseofglass11
02-16-2015, 02:14 PM
I hate the intro to Where Boys. Its just 4 idiots jamming out. Doesn't belong on a masterpiece album. It ruins it as a whole, can't take it seriously after that

You're lame. That intro is bad ass and a perfect way to open up Disc 2 of MCIS. It makes it all the more impactful when the song finally kicks in fully. It's called dynamics.