http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/6/9/242104/default/v1/the-guardian-100613-1-329x437.jpg




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance



Check out the sack on this guy.

almost 80 views and no comments ay...



errrrr... Dirka Dirka Stasi Prez want heem disappeared.


Will be interesting to see if the Chinese honor the extradition the U.S. wants of Mr. Snowden here. That will be a very big tell as to the actual nature of this latest whistleblower leak surveillance scandal.

so how does the whistleblowing jive with your high level ultra conspiracy theories i mean they can't even keep this secret, should make you think twice about the validity of zionist shapeshifting ishtarian lucipherian snake men controlling our minds

Can't wait to see the porno adaptation of this story. They already have the name.

also any catch 22 fans out there loving that Snowden has secrets?

zionist shapeshifting ishtarian lucipherian snake men

I want to dress as this for Halloween. Amazing.

snowden whistleblower cia zionist jew bankers wiretap big brother micropenis illuminati snake men gay for pay

also any catch 22 fans out there loving that Snowden has secrets?
guts spilled figuratively... and literally!!

So honorable he flees to mutherfuckin' China!

so how does the whistleblowing jive with your high level ultra conspiracy theories i mean they can't even keep this secret, should make you think twice about the validity of zionist shapeshifting ishtarian lucipherian snake men controlling our minds


There's plenty of validity to mind-control, what's to question?


And...most 'awake' folk understand the elite are elite, not necessarily smart or omnipotent or infallible. And they are definitely NOT MONOLITHIC. These leaks and scandals are proof of that and the battle raging among them at those elite levels.


Do you recall what this President said about Whistleblowers in the '08 campaign and how his DOJ has prosecuted such men and woman since then? I'd guess not, but you may wanna freshen up.

So honorable he flees to mutherfuckin' China!



Please pick your knuckles up off the ground:




Will Barack Obama, a champion of whistleblower protection when he was a state senator, act as strongly to protect them when they blow the whistle on his administration?

Whistleblowers tell ABC News they are encouraged by recent signs from the White House about possible efforts to protect them from retaliation. But, they say, they are still wary after years of brutal confrontations that left many of them jobless, financially drained and emotionally spent.



http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8241580&page=1




Now, with the unprecedented legal actions against Whisteblowers from this administration (betraying a campaign promise), not to mention what traitors like Feinstein and Lindsay Graham are saying, why would Snowden or anyone bother going to them in confidence?

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/6/10/242245/default/v1/11jun1national01-1-329x437.jpg

That's Daniel Ellsburg. The man who spilled the beans on the Pentagon Papers, a release of secret info thought to hasten the end of the Vietnam War.


To remind you scotty, he's been a champion to liberals going back 40 plus years. But I guess that's out of your historical view. Your line of thinking here just shows your not a real liberal or the kind that I could ever respect because you have so little grasp of our history, how it relates to whats going now and therefore how to view Snowden in proper context.

You're proof Liberalism is dead.






:censored:

Russia Would Weigh Snowden Asylum Bid


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324634304578538742328320134.html




So, Russia is acting like America and America is acting like Nazi Germany.

i saw a documentary on some dude who got caught leaking intel to china FOR PAY and he pretty much got a slap on the wrist. i don't see why people think this guy's getting sent to the gulag.. though i understand why he'd want to stay on the lam as well

And they are definitely NOT MONOLITHIC.

in the future please rephrase your alarmist posts to consider this thing that you said

also scotty's not proof of anything except how dull middle america really is

Four Reasons to be Angrier that the NSA is Tapping Your Phone (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-to-be-angrier-that-nsa-tapping-your-phone)

cracked: your site for insightful political commentary

cracked: your site for insightful political commentary

Ad hominem.

Your contempt for Cracked doesn't make what they're saying wrong.

that's not really an ad hominem

it's an ironic comment that implies the opposite of what it says

i'm sure there are other, smarter, more nuanced arguments out there on the web for adults to read, which is probably how the hack blogger culled his click-generating listicle for CRACKED

:)

that's not really an ad hominem



So dismissing something outright based solely on where it came from as opposed to its content isn't an ad hominem attack? :confused:

I mean, your comment was a statement of irony, but it was also an ad hominem attack. "I don't have to read it because the fact that it's a Cracked article automatically means it sucks and has nothing meaningful to say."

Anyway, enough with the semantics. The column raises good points on the topic, and that's why I posted it.

actually your interpretation of my original comment comes from you, not me

EAT A DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

actually your interpretation of my original comment comes from you, not me

EAT A DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

Oh brother...:rolleyes:

tchocky read some grown up stuff with paragraphs already god damn it

oh Jesus...


I was kinda waiting for Ed Chiarini's take on this (he himself accused of being a family insider of the family he is claiming to expose) as he can be hit and completely miss on his assertions.


Ed claims to expose a family which is steeped in an ancient asian practice of royal families acting out in staged events for monetary and political gain. I'll be damned if that crap IRON MAN III movie didn't have a contemporary example of this with the Ben Kingsley character. weak in the script aside, that character is based on this ancient principle that is still (apparently) carried on today.

He's claiming dude Snowden is from that family. I'm not convinced at the evidence, but this dude Chiarini will make you 'hmmm' every once in a while. Not for the uninitiated, as he could very well be a controlled asset meant to muddy the waters of such conspiracies, nonetheless, even such trolls have to throw out a bone or two of truth to get by. So, that's why i check his shit out every so often and this is one of those times I'm going 'hmmm'...


and you pause...and because it flips the script on everything you may experience some cognitive dissonance...good luck if it comes to that.

ancient asian practice

yes, been going on for centuries.


Zoolander of all movies played around with this theme and the mind control aspect as well.


John Wilkes Booth would be a prime example. Talented actor well connected in Washington and part of a cabal that staged a coup. That's how he got away with it.

oh i wasn't aware of President Booth's term

what part of the word 'part' did you not understand?



ahhhh fuggedaboutit. we in deep shit Trots. you know this...

toc, I think you've been fooled by this latest theatrical production put on by the administration. Snowden, NSA, Verizon, and the latest "If you don't trust the govt, then we're going to have problems".

yeah omega, what about how convenient it is that SNOWDEN has SECRETS?

i mean come on they're basically acting like nobody's ever read catch-22

this is alllllllllllllllllllll part of the plan

So Booth was the first Asian president space lizard.

I knew it.

Everything that Snowden has been telling us isn't anything new. With the patriot act, I think we pretty much figured that we are being spied on anyway. This just came out, yet no one is making a big fuss out of it and people are still using google.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23365503/google-ordered-turn-over-data-fbi

SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal judge has ordered Google (GOOG) to comply with FBI warrantless demands for customer data.

U.S. District Court Judge Susan Illston on Tuesday rejected Google's argument that the so-called National Security Letters were unconstitutional and unnecessary. Google could appeal the decision. The company declined to comment Friday.

yeah did any of you people watch the wire

freeman was all up on this shit

Everything that Snowden has been telling us isn't anything new. With the patriot act, I think we pretty much figured that we are being spied on anyway. This just came out, yet no one is making a big fuss out of it and people are still using google.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23365503/google-ordered-turn-over-data-fbi




greenburg patsy actor or not, the info coming from this character is real in its consequences...sooooo, here we go.


yes, I remember when the ACLU and the Christian Coalition were on the same side against the Patriot Act originally. In their bones, both knew the worst was approaching.


annnnd, here we are.


Is the dude working for the devil worshiping elites or is he actually taking them on?


The devilish view has this this all eventually legitimizing open surveillance of the public, an agenda the media and some fake polls will push. Not to mention the sheep. Cashless society within a decade with every transaction and conversation you have with anyone recorded by big brother. The stage is set as Agenda 21 has made the state houses of government mimic the larcenous behavior of the federal government.


The Angel outlook has this bringing down the cabal through their control of this government from the inside out. The Senators screaming loudest for his head, are probably the ones with the most to hide and are genuinely freaked out. This scenario ends with a total revamp of the government, with a martial law reset while "white hats" try to quickly as possible establish an interim government until a special election.



out of a kaleidoscope of scenarios, that's the best blue pill/red pill i can come up with this quick. at that, i'm thinking mainly domestic and not WWIII and the nephalim anti-christ rising up to stop it and shit.

yeah omega, what about how convenient it is that SNOWDEN has SECRETS?

i mean come on they're basically acting like nobody's ever read catch-22

this is alllllllllllllllllllll part of the plan



his level of clearance and know-how has probably gained him the goods on the government itself and the info could bring it down. Something both the black and white hats need to happen, but for different reasons.



i'm still sussing out snowman himself...the g/f media story I'm staying away from, but its presence reeks of psy-op quite frankly (all staged with actors)

sounds really exciting, T.O.C.

yeah did any of you people watch the wire

freeman was all up on this shit

I've never watched it. Maybe I should?

Baby, it'll blow your mind.

I've never watched it. Maybe I should?

One of the less celebrated aspects of the Wire is that it's not only a realistic drama about urban and social decay but it's also a brief history of law enforcement & cell phones.

*The HBO television program "THE WIRE".

Let's talk more about Snowden's girlfriend plz.

Anyone else think the government now saying that Syria used chemical weapons just to get the public attention off of the NSA leak? Everyone knew they used them months ago when it was first reported, the government had just said they didn't think they were used because they didn't want to get publicly involved in Syria.

Anyone else think the government now saying that Syria used chemical weapons just to get the public attention off of the NSA leak? Everyone knew they used them months ago when it was first reported, the government had just said they didn't think they were used because they didn't want to get publicly involved in Syria.



partially, but this group has been targeting a WWIII for years now.


understand the clusterfuck here: these rebels are just mercenaries for the british banks vis a vis the u.s. but more specifically nato. they support 'al qaida' and thus the veil is lifted and you can see part of the wizard -- the one fighting al qaida in afghanistan is the same one supporting them in Syria.


that conspiracy cat is out of the bag now. you may notice the absence of any inquiry from the corporate media. they are the newspeak of the day. you may want to filter their content going forward.

and...there's no way of knowing who actually dropped these chemical weapons if in fact any were used.

Jon Rappaport's analysis of Snowden here is the meaty stuff I like to chew on.


All you Occam Razor fans try this on for size:





Did the CIA give the NSA documents to Ed Snowden?




Is it likely he could have accessed and snatched thousands of highly classified NSA documents?

“Let’s see. Who’s coming to work for us here at NSA today? Oh, new whiz kid. Ed Snowden. Outside contractor. He’s not really a full-time employee of the NSA. Twenty-nine years old. No high school diploma. Has a GED. He worked for the CIA and quit. Hmm. Why did he quit? Oh, never mind, who cares? No problem.

“Tell you what. Let’s give this kid access to our most sensitive data. Sure. Why not? Everything. That stuff we keep behind 986 walls? Where you have to pledge the life of your first-born against the possibility you’ll go rogue? Let Snowden see it all. Sure. What the hell. I’m feeling charitable. He seems like a nice kid.”






Here is a more likely scenario.

Snowden never saw any of those thousands of documents on an NSA computer. Never happened.

Instead, he was either used or volunteered as a CIA operative to carry the endless turf war between CIA and NSA a new step forward. People at the CIA WERE able to access those NSA documents and they gave the documents to Snowden and he ran with them.




https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/did-the-cia-give-the-nsa-documents-to-ed-snowden/

fuck man why cant you just let some things be what they are

One would think that TOC would have disappeared by now with all these truths he knows.

unless maybe he is a shapeshifting ishtarian lucepherian snake jew

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my favorite part is mika's stupid ass going with the "that we know of" defense right after they play the video of clapper lying to congress

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/6/16/243282/default/v1/untitled-1-1-329x437.jpg





GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians' communications at G20 summits



Exclusive: phones were monitored and fake internet cafes set up to gather information from allies in London in 2009





Foreign politicians and officials who took part in two G20 summit meetings in London in 2009 had their computers monitored and their phone calls intercepted on the instructions of their British government hosts, according to documents seen by the Guardian. Some delegates were tricked into using internet cafes which had been set up by British intelligence agencies to read their email traffic.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/16/gchq-intercepted-communications-g20-summits






Just in time for Obama's G8 meeting. Should make for a comfortable setting over there...errrrrr...

i think this snowden guy is a total narcissist that wants to be a global symbol of "freedom"

all of his fucking interviews and shit are starting to make me ill, is there any member of my generation that isn't wholly devoted to the pursuit of self

yah, today there's a Q n A with him on some chat line. People asking him questions and he's answering them.



wtf?



holy psy-op batman. Sure looks like he's got handlers taking care of the talking points and how they get out there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Watching people writhe around trying to find something wrong with Edward Snowden's answering people's questions is quite fascinating.</p>&mdash; Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) <a href="https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/346650287089520640">June 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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how much could a low level flunky possibly know though? it just strikes me as relentless navel gazing. "Oh look everyone, I'm the greatest. Ask me questions because I am your savior and hero!"

i mean i'm not against the leak

i am against his fucking public posturing

The more he's in the public the harder it is for them to kill him.

how much could a low level flunky possibly know though? it just strikes me as relentless navel gazing. "Oh look everyone, I'm the greatest. Ask me questions because I am your savior and hero!"

i mean i'm not against the leak

i am against his fucking public posturing




right.


That aspect feeds Jon Rappaports and others conjecture that he's being handled and given this information to fuck with the NSA from the inside, since he was one of them.

low level lackeys don't have access to this info. it's a ruse to say he did.

no it isnt, be quiet

The more he's in the public the harder it is for them to kill him.

pft lol

yah, today there's a Q n A with him on some chat line. People asking him questions and he's answering them.



wtf?



holy psy-op batman. Sure looks like he's got handlers taking care of the talking points and how they get out there.


I told you. It's all bullshit.

Any thoughts on this?

*warning* it's slightly graphic. You can see what is going on but it's blurry. A Syrian rebel cutting open a soldier and eating one of their organs.


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Some of the comments on that

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I agree with Glenn Beck? Get ready kids, it's Apocalypse time!

Time to kill myself.


Every day is apocalypse time on the internet!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Precisely RT <a href="https://twitter.com/dynatime">@dynatime</a> First they make Snowden the story, then they accuse him of being it. American media at work, always at govt's service</p>&mdash; Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) <a href="https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/347696113937174528">June 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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With the patriot act, hasn't spying always been a topic of conversation anyway? I don't see what Snowden has come out with that is so compelling. There is something off about him and this sudden information. Now we have the NSA deflecting the criticism by claiming they foiled 50 terrorist plots. I guess they failed with Boston.

what's compelling is that he puts his face on it

I guess.. but we've had people come out before and talk about how we are being spied on. Didn't Julian Assange cover some of this too?

he's also quite a bit of a narcissist as well

i like anonymous leaks; avoids morality questions, legal persecution, self-congratulation, idolization and gives the sense that anyone could be doing it

With the patriot act, hasn't spying always been a topic of conversation anyway? I don't see what Snowden has come out with that is so compelling. There is something off about him and this sudden information. Now we have the NSA deflecting the criticism by claiming they foiled 50 terrorist plots. I guess they failed with Boston.

snowden brought the intricacies of the program to light. i respect he possibly ruined his life for something he felt strongly about but my definition of a "whistleblower" is somebody who exposes fraud or illegality, which neither came up. i don't see any long term repercussions as in the NSA really changing anything, so predictably this is probably going to be more about snowden than the datamining

It won't change anything. And we'll continue hearing about all the foiled plots and people's lives who have been saved thanks to nsa. I wonder if they are going to be able to extradite him.

snowden brought the intricacies of the program to light. i respect he possibly ruined his life for something he felt strongly about but my definition of a "whistleblower" is somebody who exposes fraud or illegality, which neither came up. i don't see any long term repercussions as in the NSA really changing anything, so predictably this is probably going to be more about snowden than the datamining



He exposed the entire system as fraudulent and illegal, including and especially the (lack of) oversight assigned to the agencies and the unconstitutionality of the allowance of such surveillance by the lobbyist and politicians.



He also gave clarity on what some suspected but many still deny, that the 'war on terror' is a hoax and the metadata mining on the populace is for the purpose of drawing up political hit list. It's not about catching terrorist, other than to expand the definition of the term to entrap and ensnare ever more activist who stand against the tyrannical nature of a government who would do such things.

N.S.A. Leaker Leaves Hong Kong on Flight to Moscow



HONG KONG — The Hong Kong government announced on Sunday afternoon that it had allowed the departure from its territory of Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who has acknowledged disclosing classified documents about United States government surveillance of Internet and telephone communications around the world.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/world/asia/nsa-leaker-leaves-hong-kong-local-officials-say.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=2&

I'd shut up if I were you. The NSA is viewing this thread, you know.

did you get lost?

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I'd shut up if I were you. The NSA is viewing this thread, you know.




I'll leave that to the cowards.


You know nothing of the history of the tyrannical nature of government itself. You have a series of President's establishing this STASI like control grid for the corporate borg they adhere to and a dumb downed Prozac nation brainwashed into NOT questioning authority.

We are so screwed. that includes the cowards who think being PC is gonna save them. LOL. suckers.


As for Snowden: If your on the fence, consider his biggest enemies at present as a deciding factor:


Pelosi, Obama, Biden, Schumer, Boxer, Boehner...hmmmm? Snowden or the other pile of crap? I think I choose Snowden.

I hope Snowden gets a bullet in his brain. What kind of a patriot makes a round the world tour of our moral, economic and political enemies: china, Russia.... Where's he going now? Cuba? Venezuela?

He's a coward. If he was anything other than a self righteous traitor he'd have stayed in his homeland and taken what was coming to him.

No. He's no hero. He's like pussies who fled to Canada in the 1770s to wait for King George to save their asses.

so what was the most recent courageous thing you've done

I hope Snowden gets a bullet in his brain. What kind of a patriot makes a round the world tour of our moral, economic and political enemies: china, Russia.... Where's he going now? Cuba? Venezuela?

He's a coward. If he was anything other than a self righteous traitor he'd have stayed in his homeland and taken what was coming to him.

No. He's no hero. He's like pussies who fled to Canada in the 1770s to wait for King George to save their asses.



He's being charged under the Espionage Act for revealing the government was spying on its citizen's illegally.



That's called irony Mr Shill...im sure its over your head.

LOL. You are so fucking easy.

seriously though he should come home. he's well off enough to lawyer up and the chances of him even getting something bad as a few years in a minimal security prison are pretty low

LOL. You are so fucking easy.



and your so fucking dumb.


A DNC talking shill who thinks his pension is safe from the looters he willingly supports that will take it away someday.




He just following orders, ya know...



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LOL. You are so fucking easy.

talking to me cuz i'm still wondering what makes you an authority on courageousness

talking to me cuz i'm still wondering what makes you an authority on courageousness

No, TOC.


You're not easy. You're complicated

I'm like Che Guevara with bling on, I'm complex.

No, TOC.


You're not easy. You're complicated




I'm consistent. He's confused. He was like you in some ways, brainwashed marxist defender. He still loves the class envy redistributive b.s. like you, but at least he sees Obama as the flub that he is now.


And at least he'll address things and come up with arguments.


You've never done that to any effect that I've seen once.

watching the Paultards and conspiracy freaks drool all over this traitor as he hides in Russia is great entertainment.

Apparently all you need to do to be a hero in TOC's eyes is commit treason, sell out your country and go running to an Oligarch.

I wonder who the traitor talked to in China before he asked Putin for help. Espionage world tour 2013!!

Breitbart would be so proud right now! LOL

I see you've completely avoided Noam Chomsky's comments about the Obama Administration running the biggest terrorist operation perhaps of all time.


You do know who Noam Chomsky is right?


You do realize how far left you must be to put Chomsky in the bin of the Stand with Rand crowd? It can't be done, but I'm sure you'll try.

I wasn't talking about Leftists. I was talking about you.

Kind of shows what a troll you are, since 99% of the time you post ridiculous shit that Chomsky would NEVER endorse. Your ilk is the antithesis of what the New Left is all about.

Next you'll quote Glenn Greenwald

watching the Paultards and conspiracy freaks drool all over this traitor as he hides in Russia is great entertainment.

Apparently all you need to do to be a hero in TOC's eyes is commit treason, sell out your country and go running to an Oligarch.

I wonder who the traitor talked to in China before he asked Putin for help. Espionage world tour 2013!!

Breitbart would be so proud right now! LOL





Snowden took two oaths. One to keep secret the info he came across, the other to uphold the Constitution. He, like other whistleblowers, saw the two in conflict with each other. He chose to honor the one that supports the Constitution.


that's his right. He is entitled to a fair trial but I'm guessing he wouldn't really get one if he stuck around stateside.


You don't like espionage, but it appears you have no problem with the U.S. government creating a Stasi on steroids control grid on its citizens. That pretty much makes you a bootlicking brownshirt, much worse than the likes of Snowden.

I wasn't talking about Leftists. I was talking about you.

Kind of shows what a troll you are, since 99% of the time you post ridiculous shit that Chomsky would NEVER endorse. Your ilk is the antithesis of what the New Left is all about.



No. Chomsky could be considered a forefather of conspiracy theorist and much of what he's commented about over the years is about U.S. conspiracy in the middle east and elsewhere.


The "New Left" are the Progressive loving bunch that so soiled the status of Liberalism they have to keep coming up with fresh terms that are euphemisms for Communist/Leninist/Collectivist losers.

LOL. If he was a real patriot he would have stayed in his homeland and not run crying to Red China and The USSR's former KGB Colonel.

No. Chomsky could be considered a forefather of conspiracy theorist and much of what he's commented about over the years is about U.S. conspiracy in the middle east and elsewhere.


LOL

The difference between Chomsky and a conspiracy theorist is that Chomsky isn't Mentally Ill

O.K.


And this non-mentally man believes that Barack Obama is leading the biggest terrorist organization perhaps in the history of mankind. I can relate.


I suspect he supports Snowden for exposing some of that.



btw, what's your thoughts on Bradley Manning?


you remember him. Liberals loved him because he exposed the Iraqi War as fraudulent and perhaps criminal and it all made Bush look bad, which was another reason why Liberals loved him at the time.

He didn't get much whisteblower protection though, just a bunch of lawyers milling about while he rots away in a cell for exposing the war the way he did. That illegal war with the trumped up WMD lie and all.



But go ahead Scotty, keep supporting the criminal element that has taken over our government.

tell me more

wasn't obama supposed to be making way for romney or something. was romeny going to head the terrorist organization and things got flipped around or waht

the fact that Obama won proves that he was making way for Romney!

Chomsky isn't Mentally Ill

1. you sure about that
2. what makes you different than a conspiracy theorist, then

he's less entertaining

wasn't obama supposed to be making way for romney or something. was romeny going to head the terrorist organization and things got flipped around or waht


the big can of worms there is this buzz:


the rockefeller/bush clan was behind Romney.

rothschilds/citibank crowd behind Obama.



the Rock/Bush cabal suspects they got out played in the election. Not tactically in a political realm, but in a subversive way by election fraud. I can only presume their really pissed they got outdone with the fraud, but I guess there is some merit to 3 million votes missing or something.


regardless...this latest salvo at Obama with all these scandals is thought to be related to the crowd that was behind Romney during the election and want war in Iran and/or Syria by yesterday.


This thought has held that Obama has resisted the push towards war, which I would admit makes some sense considering his posturing before. But his push for a no-fly zone changes that dynamic and he may well be being forced into it.

the real difference between chomsky and conspiracy theorists is that when chomsky makes an accusation of conspiracy, like for example in <I>Manufacturing Consent</i> which details the relationship of the government and how the media functions as a mouthpiece for its desires, he brings mountains of evidence to his case and also goes out of his way to demonstrate how it is not a back room secret covert cabal that is making decisions, but rather humans individually acting in self interest to promote an institution that serves their best interests.

to refer back to the only chomsky book i've read, in Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky and Herman go back through history to show how the press relies almost exclusively on information about the government directly from the government and present the line that the government delivers. When things go wrong, like in the case of Veitnam, there is a definitive shift in the media's presentation as the government begins to infight and represents that as well.

What is wholly absent from these theories is shadowy men with cigars laughing maniacally over how they've duped everyone. The media functions unwittingly as a mouthpiece for government talking points because they speak to the government about government issues, whereas those officials are put in those positions to relate with the press because of their strength of conviction in the institution they serve

this also dovetails with the ultimate theory of the HBO television program "The Wire": The idea that the institution actually holds more weight with individuals than individulals have power over the institution, be it the mayor's office, the police station, the school room, the bullpen, and even on the corner. Generally speaking, the faceless non-living institutions of our daily life have been created so that individuals do not have power, and they collectively steer individuals in their decision making.

but yeah lucipherians, whatever.

the real difference between chomsky and conspiracy theorists is that when chomsky makes an accusation of conspiracy, like for example in <I>Manufacturing Consent</i> which details the relationship of the government and how the media functions as a mouthpiece for its desires, he brings mountains of evidence to his case and also goes out of his way to demonstrate how it is not a back room secret covert cabal that is making decisions, but rather humans individually acting in self interest to promote an institution that serves their best interests.



Excuse me, but the entirety of the NSA/AP scandal has to do with the Obama Administration trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the e-mails and records of AP reporters, accusing a Fox News journalist of being a co-conspirator in felonies for working with sources.


By that definition, all investigative journalist are criminals. Which is the agenda this government is now trying to make through their whores like David Gregory and others in the mainstream.


And you telling me this is all above board and not hidden or conspiratorial? Bull Shit. Of course it is. NOW its out in the open and as such Chomsky is playing catch up with his latest view on Obama. Better late than never I guess.

to refer back to the only chomsky book i've read, in Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky and Herman go back through history to show how the press relies almost exclusively on information about the government directly from the government and present the line that the government delivers. When things go wrong, like in the case of Veitnam, there is a definitive shift in the media's presentation as the government begins to infight and represents that as well.

What is wholly absent from these theories is shadowy men with cigars laughing maniacally over how they've duped everyone. The media functions unwittingly as a mouthpiece for government talking points because they speak to the government about government issues, whereas those officials are put in those positions to relate with the press because of their strength of conviction in the institution they serve

this also dovetails with the ultimate theory of the HBO television program "The Wire": The idea that the institution actually holds more weight with individuals than individulals have power over the institution, be it the mayor's office, the police station, the school room, the bullpen, and even on the corner. Generally speaking, the faceless non-living institutions of our daily life have been created so that individuals do not have power, and they collectively steer individuals in their decision making.

but yeah lucipherians, whatever.



That's all well and good but its an example of the above board political reality we all exist in and interact with. There is an entire secret government with underground bases and super soldier programs and hidden technologies that have been operating on black budgets for decades.

That stuff rarely gets admitted to by our government, but occasionally they are forced to which happened when a class action lawsuit was brought by workers at Area 51 sued the government for chemical exposure resulting in high rates of cancer.

Jonathon Turley was the attorney who forced the U.S. Guv to admit Area 51 existed. The U.S. attorney's refused to do even that until Turley asked the Judge in the case stop the proceedings to drive the judge and jury to drive to Groom Lake and show the court the secret base.

Only then did the U.S. relent and admit for the first time it existed in a short and terse statement made in court.

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2-1 he thinks rand is the shit

this guy sucks. there are no heroes. he can fuck right off with his self-aggrandizing horse shit. putting his face on an issue that the american public was just too dumb, self-absorbed, clueless and generally overly positive to realize was going on the whole time, in plain english, in the patriot act and on their fucking contract terms

i hate snowden. fucking hate him. not that he leaked, just that he seems like a real self-absorbed scumbag.

he seems like a real self-absorbed scumbag.

Seems to be a common theme among the big-name whistleblowers, not the least of whom is Julian Assange.

Paultardism is the go to philosophy for American White Middle Class Self Made Martyrs


Real heroes die on the field of battle, or burn while rescuing an innocent from a fire, or drown while saving a swimmer in trouble, etc. etc. Real heroes don't do cryptic phone interviews with Glenn Greenwald and then run away to China.

the only people who call douchebags like Snowden a hero are douchebags like Snowden

This is pretty much the crux of it. He's not a coward for wanting to preserve his life Scotty. He's a hero, and a Patriot. The 'see something, say something' meme posted earlier magnifies that reality. To call him a coward, and to think nothing would or will be done to him is just asinine. You've heard of Michael Hastings, no?

He had no problem when the Bush administration was doing the same thing. As a matter of fact, he encouraged it.

yeah and most of these guys calling him a patriot on the right are just frontrunning this issue because it's on obama now

Most importantly he's not even real.

This is pretty much the crux of it. He's not a coward for wanting to preserve his life Scotty. He's a hero, and a Patriot. The 'see something, say something' meme posted earlier magnifies that reality. To call him a coward, and to think nothing would or will be done to him is just asinine. You've heard of Michael Hastings, no?

LOL

go fuck yourself, MacGyver

Most importantly he's not even real.

obama? i know! completely fabricated by the news media and trick shots.

Now we are all "fully informed" of your opinion.

i love it when people call snowden a patriot

no he's not, he's actually completely unpatriotic by doing this <i>by definition</I>

and that's not really a bad thing

patriotism is the virtue of the vicious

we mean that he was working doing this throughout the bush administration how hard is that to understand

you're falling in the trap if you disdain Snowden.


hnibos is on to something mentioning he's not even real.


Real or simulated victim, he's likely a pawn with a specific purpose: create a wedge within the U.S. between truthseekers and the masses, to ultimately pin the next false flag on the info Snowden is alleged to have released. This would quell future whistleblowers from speaking out and allow the government to clamp down even more on that front.

It's always a 3D chess game with the CIA/NSA folks. Snowden worked for both of them.