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pavementtune
05-20-2013, 04:13 AM
9th of July

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CU9LHY2/

Shallowed
05-20-2013, 05:12 AM
woo

Cool As Ice Cream
05-20-2013, 05:34 AM
$149

vajohna
05-20-2013, 05:39 AM
I look forward to downloading this.

pavementtune
05-20-2013, 06:03 AM
$149

Do you think the final price will be < $130? Can't remember where the MCIS reissue started before going down.

Kahlo
05-20-2013, 06:39 AM
fingers crossed they fuck this up again

Kahlo
05-20-2013, 06:40 AM
and by they I mean Amazon. $25 for TAFH boxset will do nicely.

Cool As Ice Cream
05-20-2013, 08:37 AM
Do you think the final price will be < $130? Can't remember where the MCIS reissue started before going down.

i don't remember the price of the mcis reissue going down. i thought it would eventually, but even a couple of months after the release, it was still massively overpriced.

whywontyoulistn
05-20-2013, 08:43 AM
It still is.

Trotskilicious
05-20-2013, 09:16 AM
but it's got cool leaflets and vinyl sleeves

scottytheoneand
05-20-2013, 09:25 AM
can't wait to see how bad the orders get fucked up for people ordering through SP.com

T&T
05-20-2013, 10:16 AM
can't wait to see how bad the orders get fucked up for people ordering through SP.com
just shows how stupid SP fans are.

juliana
05-20-2013, 10:23 AM
Once this is released MCIS will probably go on sale on amazon.

D.
05-20-2013, 11:27 AM
I look forward to downloading this.

<ph>

themadcaplaughs
05-20-2013, 04:20 PM
Has the official Smashing Pumpkins store even opened back up yet?

Reyngel
05-20-2013, 05:43 PM
I'm not really privy to the release schedule for these reissues... does this mean the Adore one will be out around Christmas?

Rider
05-20-2013, 05:46 PM
So basically it's $300 to get all the material that really should have just been the MCIS deluxe reissue.

Such a sad fucking cash grab.

aeroplume
05-21-2013, 12:34 AM
i lucked out and got the mellon collie vinyl from amazon canada for 38 bucks shipped. sure zero has some distortion but i honestly couldnt tell what the rest of the fuss was about so far as the sound quality on the vinyl. and hey i paid 38 bucks so no big deal for me.

i'll buy TAFH on vinyl and thats it.

Butt Pope
05-21-2013, 01:05 AM
the aeroplane flies high, turns left, puts a deposit in Billy's Roth IRA

pavementtune
05-22-2013, 02:50 PM
$149

It's now $142.57, release date 2 weeks later.

Cool As Ice Cream
05-22-2013, 03:00 PM
billy hired someone to remove all the obelisks from the packages, to reduce the price by $7. the value of the obelisk is $8, but it costs $1 to remove it from the packages. also, this operation pushed back the release date.

that's the only explanation i can think of.

pavementtune
05-22-2013, 03:15 PM
They got a better deal for the decoupage kit.

Cool As Ice Cream
05-22-2013, 03:20 PM
they replaced the cubic "tafh box" balloons with round ones. a lot cheaper.

Cool As Ice Cream
05-22-2013, 03:20 PM
can't wait for my balloon.

Rider
05-22-2013, 03:28 PM
I can't wait for Monte to get his CDRs and for all the other bloggers to be jealous that the homophobe got copies and they didn't.

RenewRevive
05-22-2013, 03:41 PM
Fuck, I lost my download of the MCIS bonus disks. i think it was on the SSD that died last month. curses!

anyway, i was gonna say after Billy decided to put the bizarre Ruby pit mix on the Mellon Collie reissue, what dregs could be left for TAFH?

Trotskilicious
05-22-2013, 03:53 PM
the only thing i wanted was the obliesk

RenewRevive
05-22-2013, 07:03 PM
i'm guessing for anal insertion.

Trotskilicious
05-22-2013, 07:12 PM
your mother is pretty insistant

vajohna
05-23-2013, 02:59 AM
That's funny.

RenewRevive
05-23-2013, 09:53 AM
your mother is pretty insistant

hey! i see what you did there!

vbshlofbvgos
05-23-2013, 11:35 AM
anyway, i was gonna say after Billy decided to put the bizarre Ruby pit mix on the Mellon Collie reissue, what dregs could be left for TAFH?

nothing thats worth $149

Rider
05-23-2013, 02:49 PM
Now you know why we got that lame "oh the Double Door show tapes suck" excuse with the one song tease and then the news that it will be on this.

D.
05-23-2013, 04:30 PM
the bizarre Ruby pit mix
i loved it, wish it was longer

pavementtune
05-23-2013, 06:03 PM
and by they I mean Amazon. $25 for TAFH boxset will do nicely.
Looks like they won't make that mistake again. $118 on amazon.ca.

redbull
05-23-2013, 09:04 PM
anyway, i was gonna say after Billy decided to put the bizarre Ruby pit mix on the Mellon Collie reissue, what dregs could be left for TAFH?

i guess i'm the only person who liked this

Reyngel
05-23-2013, 11:02 PM
There were definitely a couple of gems on the MCIS reissue bonus disc, like the Cupid De Locke remix. But with a lot of the disc, more often than not, I found myself thinking, "Yeah, this isn't interesting, and it just sounds like filler."

D.
05-23-2013, 11:11 PM
i guess i'm the only person who liked this

naw, i liked it.

RenewRevive
05-24-2013, 08:22 AM
i guess i'm the only person who liked this

naw, i liked it.

:Skeptical

Shallowed
05-24-2013, 10:04 PM
STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE

matcada
05-30-2013, 05:57 PM
Earing this for the first time... well I think it sounds much better than the Ascending guitar on the MCIS reissue, isn't it?

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New Art Rioter
05-30-2013, 06:42 PM
Earing this for the first time... well I think it sounds much better than the Ascending guitar on the MCIS reissue, isn't it?

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It's about the same to be fair: fun, yet not amazing, home recorded demo sketch

Woody
05-31-2013, 08:18 AM
Still no details of this? Pisces info dropped May 31st.

Next week then...

slunken
06-02-2013, 11:41 PM
WHERE ARE THE NEW SONGS AND WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THEM THANKS

Shallowed
06-03-2013, 09:24 AM
IT'S BEEN A MONTH ALREADY

Shallowed
06-03-2013, 09:24 AM
SORRY CAPS

Rider
06-03-2013, 09:44 AM
I look forward to the 900 where is the leak threads.

ExitInTheSky
06-03-2013, 09:58 AM
I look forward to the 900 where is the leak threads.

As we look forward to the 900 times you'll complain about it in every one :rolleyes:

bs1933
06-03-2013, 10:32 PM
I love how this thread continues to have nothing new to say about the reissue. And I'm just adding to the word vomit to boot.

aeroplume
06-04-2013, 12:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GkC0IHCtdc

Ramdust
06-04-2013, 01:09 AM
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Starla
06-04-2013, 03:00 AM
Monte, will you tattle on those who download for free? I feel that I have financially supported Billy for many years now and it's time to cut him off.

MonteLDS
06-04-2013, 10:47 AM
Monte, will you tattle on those who download for free? I feel that I have financially supported Billy for many years now and it's time to cut him off.

that kind of stuff is up to some legal department to deal with. I don't take names of anyone I suspect of illegal downloads of official releases. I don't take names for anything even.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-04-2013, 10:48 AM
suck a donkey's dick, monty.

D.
06-04-2013, 12:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Monte is unaware of even half the places the official releases will show up for free. Or did you just mean leaks from this board? There's no way he wouldn't tattle on us.

Shallowed
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
pm me

lambert
06-04-2013, 02:12 PM
Pic is up at Amazon:

The Aeroplane Flies High (http://www.amazon.com/Aeroplane-Flies-High-Smashing-Pumpkin/dp/B00CU9LHY2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370369300&sr=8-1&keywords=aeroplane+flies+high)

Looks like 6 discs and a DVD

AveryLoren
06-04-2013, 02:42 PM
So its the five singles repackaged, a live disc and a dvd. does that leave room for many extras?

Reyngel
06-04-2013, 03:18 PM
Looks line one of the discs has the words "Dark Globe" in the title.

adamdanger!
06-04-2013, 03:24 PM
So the packaging is back to the aesthetic of the first 3 reissues but this is still over $100?? Fuck that.

soniclovenoize
06-04-2013, 04:40 PM
Someone gave it a 5 star review before hearing it? Fuck that shit.

Woody
06-04-2013, 05:30 PM
If the only bonus material is the live tracks & Silverfuck on that 6th disc. And then there's another live show with the second Silverfuck on the dvd. And that's it for the bonus material. Then... why not just release a fucking live album with Silverfuck on it for $20 like every other fucking band and leave TAFH be. It was serviced adequately enough on the MCIS re-issue.

Hopefully each regular disc is crammed with extra tracks otherwise the pricing here makes MCIS look like a bargain... without significant inclusions I'm not touching this one at that price.

vajohna
06-04-2013, 05:34 PM
Someone already said what I was going to say so... I don't see the delete function.

New Art Rioter
06-04-2013, 05:37 PM
Let's wait and see what's on it before we judge, shall we?

Woody
06-04-2013, 05:41 PM
Disc six has "Live" on its spine and the disc says, from what's visible, "...Dark Globe." No idea what the first words in the title are, though.

It'll be one of the mixed 35-minute Silverfuck's Billy tweeted about. Which is pretty exciting. But not worth $130 on it's own.

I'm assuming there'll be other live tracks on there. But the standard TAFH tracks + 1 live cd + 1 live dvd is not enough imo.

Can't help but feel Silverfuck and whatever highlights make this set, should've been included in the MCIS one in the first place. Feels like an excuse to get $250 out of fans. Billy might argue this is the cost of the work that's gone into retrieving this material, and that he could've just let it rot in the vaults, like he's doing us a favour. I'm pleased we're getting Silverfuck, but the pricing is a con.

Let's wait and see what's on it before we judge, shall we?

Nah. Let's be totally critical whatever!

New Art Rioter
06-04-2013, 05:57 PM
That is the Netphorian way I suppose! :D

Starla
06-04-2013, 06:06 PM
that kind of stuff is up to some legal department to deal with. I don't take names of anyone I suspect of illegal downloads of official releases. I don't take names for anything even.

This is good to know. Some people who monetarily supported Billy through the 90's and early 2000's are broke now. I'm sure Billy will understand my plight.

cjs42079
06-04-2013, 06:09 PM
It looks like the first 5 discs are named for their singles (BWBW, Zero, TT, etc)...which answers the question of whether or not those songs will be re-released on here. Hopefully there are a couple bonus tracks on each, as Monte suggested a couple months ago.

Disc 6: Live (around the dark globe?) Double Door tracks, SBD Silverfuck, hopefully a few other surprises. I'm really excited about this disc

DVD: Who knows! Matt Walker shows from 97 maybe? A comp of rare performances?

If the first 5 discs have some bonus tracks, count me in at $133.

soniclovenoize
06-04-2013, 08:37 PM
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Pizza Club
06-04-2013, 09:29 PM
I wonder why that's so much. There's gotta be something special in that box.

Shallowed
06-04-2013, 09:36 PM
If the first 5 discs have some bonus tracks, count me in at $133.

I'm not betting on it. The reissues thus far haven't had bonus tracks on the album discs, even though there has been plenty of space on all of them.

T&T
06-04-2013, 10:00 PM
bonus tracks on each disk.
how many.... i dunno... hopefully each disk is a full 70mins.

vajohna
06-04-2013, 10:04 PM
There's gotta be something special in that box.

You must be new here.

T&T
06-04-2013, 10:20 PM
I wonder why that's so much. There's gotta be something special in that box.
You must be new here.
you should pre-order from the band website. they've never messed up a release.

Pizza Club
06-04-2013, 10:23 PM
You must be new here.

Really.



Six discs don't cost $135. I'm well aware of the issues with every re-release so far.

Shallowed
06-05-2013, 12:41 AM
Some of the sleeves remind me of Teargarden artwork.

D.
06-05-2013, 01:02 AM
moar detailz & track-listing

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/albums/the-aeroplane-flies-high-reissue/

MonteLDS
06-05-2013, 01:02 AM
The tracklisting for the deluxe edition and LP version are as follows:

CD1: Bullet With Butterfly Wings

1. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
2. …Said Sadly
3. You’re All I’ve Got Tonight
4. Clones (We’re All)
5. A Night Like This
6. Destination Unknown
7. Dreaming
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. Movers and Shakirs
9. Germans in Leather Pants
10. Millieu
11. Jackboot
12. A/Ab/E/B/F#
13. Rings
14. Ugly
15. Blaster Caster
16. Little Ditty
17. Verily I Say
18. New Waver
19. The Groover
20. Ravi Revi Roo
21. On The Loose
22. Slurry
tracks 8 – 22 Recorded at Gravity Studios, Chicago, IL, March 15, 1994 – March 16, 1994

CD2: 1979

1. 1979
2. Ugly
3. Believe
4. Cherry
5. The Boy
6. Set the Ray to Jerry
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
7. Tonight, Tonight (acoustic version/instrumental rough)
8. Jupiter’s Lament (billy solo)
9. Zero (8trk demo)
10. Marquis in Spades (8trk demo)
11. Have Love Will Travel (8trk demo)
12. Infinite Sadness (siamese outtake)
13. 1979 (acoustic)
14. Aeroplane Flies High (acoustic snippet)
15. Take me Down (instrumental)
16. Star Song (dat mix/vocal rough)

CD3: Zero

1. Zero
2. God
3. Mouths of Babes
4. Tribute to Johnny
5. Marquis in Spades
6. Pennies
7. Pastichio Medley
LP ONLY: 7. Pastichio Medley (with fades)
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. By Starlight
9. Set The Ray to Jerry
10. Mouths of Babes
11. Cupid de Locke
12. Galapagos
13. To Forgive
14. Lily (my one & only)
15. Here is no Why
Tracks 8 – 15 Recorded Live at the Double Door, Chicago, IL, February, 27 1995

CD4: Tonight, Tonight

1. Tonight, Tonight
2. Meladori Magpie
3. Rotten Apples
4. Medellia of the Gray Skies
5. Jupiter’s Lament
6. Blank
7. Tonite Reprise
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. Stumbleine
9. Ugly
10. Meladori Magpie
11. God
12. Love
13. Pissant
14. Hello Kitty Kat
15. Special Winner’s Song
16. I Just Wanna Make Love To You
Tracks 8 – 16 Recorded Live at the Double Door, Chicago, IL, February, 21, 27, 28, 1995

CD5: Thirty-Three

1. Thrity-Three
2. The Last Song
3. The Aeroplane Flies High
4. Transformer
5. The Bells
6. My Blue Heaven
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
7. Silverfuck (live 7/10/96)

Deluxe Edition Live CD:
CD6: Live Inside the Dark Globe

1. Where Boys Fear To Tread
Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96
2. Zero
San Francisco, California 2.7.96
3. Fuck You / An Ode To No One
Stockholm, Sweden 4.10.96
4. X.Y.U.
Los Angeles, California 2.3.96
5. To Forgive
Washington, D.C. 1.6.96
6. Thirty-Three
New York City, New York 1.11.96
7. Tonight, Tonight
New York City, New York 1.11.96
8. Lily (My One And Only)
Washington, D.C. 1.5.96
9. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96
10. Jellybelly
Gent, Belgium 4.6.96
11. Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Los Angeles, California 2.3.96
12. By Starlight
Buffalo, New York 7.2.96
13. Bodies
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 7.5.96
14. Silverfuck
Copenhagen, Denmark 4.9.96

Deluxe Edition Concert DVD:
Malsaucy Lake, Belfort, France, July 4, 1997

1. Glimpses
2. Where Boys Fear To Tread
3. Eye
4. Tonight, Tonight
5. Transformer
6. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
7. The End Is The Beginning Is The End
8. By Starlight
9. Bullet With Butterfly Wings
10. Muzzle
11. 1979
12. X.Y.U.
13. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
14. The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)

D.
06-05-2013, 01:22 AM
Really hope the "new" songs like Verily I Say and Special Winner's Songs, etc are actual songs and not complete toss-offs. I have a feeling they will be but I'm hoping for one or two solid gems.

Shallowed
06-05-2013, 01:26 AM
Fuck you Monte

dustrock
06-05-2013, 01:33 AM
Hmmmm

slunken
06-05-2013, 01:44 AM
double post

slunken
06-05-2013, 01:45 AM
double post

slunken
06-05-2013, 01:46 AM
I CANNOT WAIT TO DOWNLOAD THIS

slunken
06-05-2013, 01:47 AM
DAT MIX

DAT DOWNLOAD

starlightvideoproductions
06-05-2013, 01:48 AM
Really excited about the DVD and all the other extras sound pretty cool too. As long as its not clipped, I'll be happy with it!

Shallowed
06-05-2013, 01:49 AM
What does Pastichio Medley (with fades) mean? There's fades in between each clip? What's the point in that?

slunken
06-05-2013, 01:54 AM
if you bought vinyl you would understand

AveryLoren
06-05-2013, 02:12 AM
The last hope of having a full version of The Black Rider (and others) is dashed.

killtrocity
06-05-2013, 02:36 AM
god mother fucking damnit where are the pastichio songs

killtrocity
06-05-2013, 02:37 AM
This is our growingly infamous riff collection of practically, but not almost, every idea that was attempted for Mellon Collie that didn't even make B-side status. I sorted through hundreds of hours of rehearsal and album tapes, and kind of randomly ran small bits all together to create a pastiche of madness. The original titles were all used. (BC, Guitar World, Jan 1997)


1. The Demon (:00-:10)
2. Thunderbolt (:10-:24)
3. Dearth (:24-:35)
4. Knuckles (:35-:52)
5. Star Song (:52-1:15)
6. Firepower (1:15-1:28)
7. New Waver (1:28-1:41)
8. Space Jam (1:41-1:57)
9. Zoom (1:57-2:17)
10. So Very Sad about Us (2:17-2:27)
11. Phang (1/2) (2:27-2:37)
12. Phang (2/2) (2:37-2:47)
13. Speed Racer (2:47-3:02)
14. The Eternal E (3:02-3:17)
15. Hairy Eyeball (3:17-3:21)
16. The Groover (3:21-4:04)
17. Hell Bent for Hell (4:04-4:20)
18. Rachel (4:20-4:36)
19. A Dog's Prayer (1/2) (4:36-4:47)
20. A Dog's Prayer (2/2) (4:47-5:26)
21. Blast (5:26-5:48)
22. The Black Rider (5:48-5:59)
23. Slurpee (5:59-6:17)
24. Flipper (6:17-6:39)
25. The Viper (6:39-6:48)
26. Bitch (1/2) (6:48-6:55)
27. Bitch (2/2) (6:55-7:06)
28. Fried (7:06-7:16)
29. Harmonio (7:16-7:24)
30. U.S.A. (1/2) (7:24-7:36)
31. The Tracer (7:36-7:49)
32. U.S.A. (2/2) (7:49-8:00)
33. Envelope Woman (8:00-8:09)
34. Plastic Guy (8:09-8:17)
35. Glasgow 3am (8:17-8:26)
36. The Road Is Long (8:26-8:34)
37. Funkified (8:34-8:46)
38. Rigamarole (8:46-9:03)
39. Depresso (9:03-9:15)
40. The Streets Are Hot Tonite (9:15-9:39)
41. Dawn at 16 (9:39-9:49)
42. Spazmatazz (9:49-9:54)
43. Fucker (9:54-9:59)
44. In the Arms of Sheep (9:59-10:16)
45. Speed (10:16-10:39)
46. 77 (10:39-10:50)
47. Me Rock You Snow (10:50-11:02)
48. Feelium (11:02-11:14)
49. Is Alex Milton (11:14-11:24)
50. Rubberman (11:24-11:35)
51. Spacer (11:35-11:42)
52. Rock Me (11:42-11:51)
53. Weeping Willowly (11:51-12:02)
54. Rings (12:02-12:17)
55. So So Pretty (12:17-12:29)
56. Lucky Lad (12:29-12:43)
57. Jackboot (12:43-12:57)
58. Millieu (12:57-13:06)
59. Disconnected (13:06-13:24)
60. Let Your Lazer Love Light Shine Down (13:24-13:33)
61. Phreak (13:33-13:37)
62. Porkbelly (13:37-13:49)
63. Robot Lover (13:49-13:58)
64. Jimmy James (13:58-14:05)
65. America (14:05-14:14)
66. Slinkeepie (14:14-14:33)
67. Dummy Tum Tummy (14:33-14:44)
68. Fakir (14:44-14:52)
69. Jake (14:52-15:03)
70. Camaro (15:03-15:18)
71. Moonkids (15:18-15:25)
72. Make It Fungus (15:25-15:35)
73. V-8 (15:35-15:49)
74. Die (15:49-23:00)

interesting that none of these are listed above, wonder if any are the same with changed titles, I mean out of all that material...
Movers and Shakirs
Blaster Caster
Little Ditty
Verily I Say
Ravi Revi Roo
On The Loose
Slurry
Have Love Will Travel (8trk demo)

Shallowed
06-05-2013, 02:48 AM
Star song is my second favourite PM clip, after The Groover. But this has the Gravity version, which is different to the PM clip. :(

slunken
06-05-2013, 02:52 AM
plaster caster is the title of a kiss song

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Woody
06-05-2013, 02:55 AM
OK, so that is actually a fuckload of tracks. I'm in.

slunken
06-05-2013, 02:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Plaster_Caster

CrabbMan
06-05-2013, 03:14 AM
That France show seems cool. And obviously it'll be fun to hear some nice recordings of the Double Door shows. I'll probably add it to my Amazon wishlist for sometime when my wife is feeling generous.

New Art Rioter
06-05-2013, 03:21 AM
Hoping to get two vinyl copies for 15 delivered from Amazon.ca again!

DVD looks awesome, hoping the Gravity tracks aren't just retitled... The fact there's a chord sequence title unchanged there is promising....

redbull
06-05-2013, 03:24 AM
it probably means they had to fade out die to fit it on one side of vinyl or something

also i am super excited about this. excellent choice of a silverfuck

redbull
06-05-2013, 03:26 AM
here's the silverfuck in question: http://archive.org/details/tsp1996-07-10.flac16

39 minutes. iirc this is the third longest version

Shallowed
06-05-2013, 04:27 AM
PM is 23 minutes, wouldn't that fit on a single side of vinyl?

cjs42079
06-05-2013, 07:40 AM
Oh hell yes! That tracklisting is enormous. I'm really surprised we got gravity demos, live double door songs, and another completely live compilation. Matt Walker DVD to top it all off (with Glimpses?!)

Sold :D

myosis
06-05-2013, 07:43 AM
I'm not betting on it. The reissues thus far haven't had bonus tracks on the album discs, even though there has been plenty of space on all of them.
this is a horrible practice which i am glad they avoided.

Pizza Club
06-05-2013, 08:01 AM
I'm really excited for that '97 show DVD. Those were cool.

Rocket Launcher
06-05-2013, 08:03 AM
PM is 23 minutes, wouldn't that fit on a single side of vinyl?

it would

Cool As Ice Cream
06-05-2013, 08:24 AM
Someone gave it a 5 star review before hearing it? Fuck that shit.

that's an old review, of the original release. i guess amazon doesn't make the difference. tafh is tafh, reissue with bonus tracks or not.

adamdanger!
06-05-2013, 08:46 AM
Amazon doesn't separate anything, regardless of release date or format. Thus, I got my ass chewed out by new fan ass hats for giving Oceania a 1 star review based on the horrid vinyl pressing. If they separated by format, I could have given the cd the extra half a star.

Ramdust
06-05-2013, 09:25 AM
44. In the Arms of Sheep (9:59-10:16)


This one was always my favorite.

Cade McNown
06-05-2013, 09:50 AM
No Speed or Towers of Rabble in Double Door selections. I would value high quality recordings of those over any of the songs we have studio tracks for that were included. It's a pity. Those two songs and the Machina release were all I looked forward to in this whole project.

brendo_91
06-05-2013, 10:14 AM
The tracklisting for the deluxe edition and LP version are as follows:

CD1: Bullet With Butterfly Wings

12. A/Ab/E/B/F#


Woo! Endless Summer demo.

DAT MIX

DAT DOWNLOAD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

soniclovenoize
06-05-2013, 10:23 AM
Well this looks fun.

that's an old review, of the original release. i guess amazon doesn't make the difference. tafh is tafh, reissue with bonus tracks or not.

Ah I see.

vbshlofbvgos
06-05-2013, 10:54 AM
i'm surprised he's actually releasing some matt walker footage. the overall package is definitely more exciting than what we got for mellon collie but there's no reason that all of this couldn't have been included in one set. fuck you monty

Pizza Club
06-05-2013, 10:54 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

I know he knows what it is, but I thought the same thing he did when I saw that.

DAT MIX. :eek:

reprise85
06-05-2013, 10:56 AM
looks cool.

reprise85
06-05-2013, 11:06 AM
have internet, will download

Trotskilicious
06-05-2013, 11:38 AM
the asshole farts hard

Beta
06-05-2013, 11:40 AM
No Speed or Towers of Rabble in Double Door selections. I would value high quality recordings of those over any of the songs we have studio tracks for that were included. It's a pity. Those two songs and the Machina release were all I looked forward to in this whole project.

towers of rabble (from double door) is in the MCIS reissues, right?

and: what's the big deal about those gravity demos? didn't we have them already?

slunken
06-05-2013, 11:53 AM
Yes perfectly aware of what a DAT is

redbull
06-05-2013, 12:13 PM
towers of rabble (from double door) is in the MCIS reissues, right?

and: what's the big deal about those gravity demos? didn't we have them already?

yes on both counts

smashingjj
06-05-2013, 01:02 PM
The tracklisting for the deluxe edition and LP version are as follows:


i assume this is extremely long for 5 LP's, are you sure it's going to be all the extras?

pavementtune
06-05-2013, 01:14 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ITtL3kRRh_k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

T&T
06-05-2013, 02:19 PM
never noticed billy having an OR80 & a graphic orange head. no wonder he sold the or80.

killtrocity
06-05-2013, 02:28 PM
Woo! Endless Summer demo.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080427205048/goldeneye/images/7/77/Dat_Tape.png

Reyngel
06-05-2013, 04:16 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ITtL3kRRh_k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Lovin Matt's energy and natural feel/interpretation of the songs. Such a fortunate match, he and the Pumpkins, albeit short-lived.

killtrocity
06-05-2013, 05:14 PM
Yeah that is a fucking sick performance

cookieshoes
06-05-2013, 07:16 PM
Deluxe Edition Live CD:
CD6: Live Inside the Dark Globe

1. Where Boys Fear To Tread
Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96
2. Zero
San Francisco, California 2.7.96
3. Fuck You / An Ode To No One
Stockholm, Sweden 4.10.96
4. X.Y.U.
Los Angeles, California 2.3.96
5. To Forgive
Washington, D.C. 1.6.96
6. Thirty-Three
New York City, New York 1.11.96
7. Tonight, Tonight
New York City, New York 1.11.96
8. Lily (My One And Only)
Washington, D.C. 1.5.96
9. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96
10. Jellybelly
Gent, Belgium 4.6.96
11. Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Los Angeles, California 2.3.96
12. By Starlight
Buffalo, New York 7.2.96
13. Bodies
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 7.5.96
14. Silverfuck
Copenhagen, Denmark 4.9.96


This is the surprise of the set for my tastes. Good on Billy (or whoever he tasked with compiling the songs), for releasing this as a bonus disc.

That being said, pretty much every performance on the disc is average at best (I don't think that the 1/11 New York show has circulated before, so I can't speak to those songs). The shows that they come from are indeed good shows, but pretty much none of these individual songs are standout versions. In fact, if you actually listen to these versions using the recordings out there, you'll hear that pretty much all of them have errors of one sort or another. Listen to the botched intro to Jellybelly from the Gent show, Billy missing his cue during the intro to By Starlight from Buffalo, Billy's voice giving out during Bodies, or Billy skipping lyrics or deliberately speaking them instead of singing them in XYU, BWBW, Lilly, and To Forgive. The Silverfuck from Copenhagen is an especially mediocre version. In fact, of all of the versions of that song from the European tour, the one from Copenhagen is up there with being one of the LEAST interesting versions. On top of which, Silverfuck from the European leg was pretty much the same as the Silverfuck from the US tour in June/July, just shorter. And since they already included the final original lineup Silverfuck from 7/10, which has the exact same structure as the one from Copenhagen, the better choice would have been to instead use one of the excellent Silverfucks from Jan/Feb, when the song had a completely different arrangement.

Maybe the available recordings of shows from 1996 weren't as good as the ones from the shows they took these performances from, so they had no choice, but the random selection of these performances of songs makes it seem like they were deliberately selected because they all have performance errors/oddities rather than for being truly standout versions.

And since this bonus disc features versions of MCIS songs as opposed to more versions of TAFH specific b-sides, then why omit Muzzle? Love? Galapogos? Cupid De Locke? Beautiful? We Only Come Out at Night? The two-night stands from Toronto and San Diego alone could've supplied killer versions of pretty much all of the songs that they included on the bonus disc here, including the rarer MCIS songs that didn't get played as much. And yet songs from either of those sets of shows are completely absent. They should've just released a composite of the highlights from the club tour, featuring the acoustic and electric sets as they were performed. That's what should've been included with the MCIS reissue, just as a full show from the Double Door should've been included for the TAFH reissue. The way it is now, the reissues for these two sets have their bonus disc content switched.

Again, this disc will be great to have/hear, but it's another one of those "it could've been so much better" deals.

Ram27
06-05-2013, 07:21 PM
Why are they reissuing a boxset of B sides?

...unless there's a full past-ich-io medley.

sjpaterra
06-05-2013, 07:25 PM
it's pretty insane that the vinyl edition will ******* all those extra tracks... Im more excited about the vinyl than i am about any of the extra tracks... but shit, that's $300... at least amazon dropped the ball for MCIS and i got the vinyl for $30, if not less

Corganist
06-05-2013, 08:03 PM
This is about as good a tracklist as anyone could have expected. Part of me is trying to be a little bummed about some of the Gravity Demos on there being ones that have been in circulation forever, but I'm going to hold off until we hear it. It seemed like the MCIS reissue had a lot of things on it that sounded like they were things we already had, but weren't. Maybe there'll be some pleasant surprises.

I'm particularly thrilled about the DVD. Summer 1997 is my favorite live era from any incarnation of the band.

vajohna
06-05-2013, 08:18 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ITtL3kRRh_k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Watching this old footage just bums me out now. So good.

Ram27
06-05-2013, 10:19 PM
it could've been so much better

That's the band's motto.

Starla
06-05-2013, 11:09 PM
have internet, will download

exactly

slunken
06-06-2013, 12:43 AM
This is about as good a tracklist as anyone could have expected. Part of me is trying to be a little bummed about some of the Gravity Demos on there being ones that have been in circulation forever, but I'm going to hold off until we hear it. It seemed like the MCIS reissue had a lot of things on it that sounded like they were things we already had, but weren't. Maybe there'll be some pleasant surprises.

I'm particularly thrilled about the DVD. Summer 1997 is my favorite live era from any incarnation of the band.

i feel like you haven't been here in forever and then i check and you post about once a month.

current thoughts on the billy corgan experience, this box set aside?

slunken
06-06-2013, 12:47 AM
has the number of pressings of the vinyl reissues (particularly this one and the mcis) ever been confirmed?

T&T
06-06-2013, 01:12 AM
it's pretty insane that the vinyl edition will ******* all those extra tracks... Im more excited about the vinyl than i am about any of the extra tracks... but shit, that's $300... at least amazon dropped the ball for MCIS and i got the vinyl for $30, if not less
there's no way the vinyl version is going to ******* all those bonus tracks.
the vinyl version is 5 LP, 12" for each single (only including original tracklist)

slunken
06-06-2013, 01:42 AM
there's no way the vinyl version is going to ******* all those bonus tracks.
the vinyl version is 5 LP, 12" for each single (only including original tracklist)

agree. this is still extremely tempting.

Beta
06-06-2013, 08:42 AM
It seemed like the MCIS reissue had a lot of things on it that sounded like they were things we already had, but weren't.

which songs are you talking about? i am just curious, because i dont have the MCIS reissue (yet).

Rider
06-06-2013, 09:19 AM
Ehh this thing is a mess. We get Gravity Demos, part of one DD show, and a Live album. They should have just added another disk to MCIS box and put out a live set.

I always wished TAFH had just be a two disk set rather then a bunch of clunky singles. Now we just have another huge set of disks that have stuff randomly added to them. Could be a nice set but splitting it up like singles again is a mistake IMHO.

Also looking at the pics the box looks really cheap and shitty.

AveryLoren
06-06-2013, 12:28 PM
Notes Corgan in the 46-page book: "What I like about 'The Aeroplane Flies High' is that it's almost the existential backwater of the 'Mellon Collie' album," Corgan says today. "Listening to the music gathered here is a little bit like seeing what goes on behind the walls of Disneyland. I've always been fascinated with places that are very well constructed, and finding out what's really going on just over the fence. You look over that gate and notice that things on the other side are not well painted — or maybe you spot that guy dressed as some character sneaking a smoke on his break. At least for me, the behind the scenes feel heard on 'The Aeroplane Flies High' represents something revealing not found on the main album. In retrospect, it's a nice document of how we arrived at the apex of 'Mellon Collie' — and also what standing on that apex did to us personally."


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=190907

Woody
06-06-2013, 12:28 PM
I always wished TAFH had just be a two disk set rather then a bunch of clunky singles. Now we just have another huge set of disks that have stuff randomly added to them. Could be a nice set but splitting it up like singles again is a mistake IMHO.


Agreed. The more discs it has, the more they can charge for it. Even though the extra cd production is relatively inexpensive.

Still, if this is what it takes to get the new material, so be it. I'm sure the Grav demos will be worked on from the leaks we have. I sort of hope instrumentals like Infinite Sadness and Jackboot have been cut short, as even with a nice new mix they just loop, pretty much.

smashingjj
06-06-2013, 01:56 PM
it's pretty insane that the vinyl edition will ******* all those extra tracks... Im more excited about the vinyl than i am about any of the extra tracks... but shit, that's $300... at least amazon dropped the ball for MCIS and i got the vinyl for $30, if not less

Who what where when?

MonteLDS
06-06-2013, 03:13 PM
it's pretty insane that the vinyl edition will ******* all those extra tracks... Im more excited about the vinyl than i am about any of the extra tracks... but shit, that's $300... at least amazon dropped the ball for MCIS and i got the vinyl for $30, if not less

it won't included all the bonus tracks, it is just going be the original 33. With PM having "fades"

the bonus tracks are only for the deluxe edition

adamdanger!
06-06-2013, 03:13 PM
The vinyl is only the original tracklist. On the official site it notes that the bonus songs are on the Deluxe Box set. Also, the vinyls up on amazon for $145. To quote myself, "Fuck that."

Shallowed
06-06-2013, 03:24 PM
Fuck you, Monte

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2013, 04:02 PM
yeah, fuck you in the ear, monty.

what's with the quotation marks around fades? what's the fucking point of that? what do you mean?

Trotskilicious
06-06-2013, 04:16 PM
FUCK YOU MONTE

Trotskilicious
06-06-2013, 04:17 PM
DROP DEAD YOU FUKC

Rider
06-06-2013, 04:24 PM
yeah, fuck you in the ear, monty.

what's with the quotation marks around fades? what's the fucking point of that? what do you mean?

It's says "Dallas."

Elvis The Fat Years
06-06-2013, 04:47 PM
here's the silverfuck in question: http://archive.org/details/tsp1996-07-10.flac16

39 minutes. iirc this is the third longest version

the end of that is this right?....

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fJCsXIb_vQc?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

does the song have a name?

adamdanger!
06-06-2013, 05:37 PM
"It won't included"

Shallowed
06-06-2013, 06:10 PM
Very Spacemen 3 like ^

slunken
06-06-2013, 06:56 PM
It's says "Dallas."

this is still pretty hilarious

slunken
06-06-2013, 06:56 PM
if netphoria dislikes monte so much his name would be *******

myosis
06-06-2013, 09:53 PM
it's only worth the price if all of it has been properly mastered.
but yeah, tracklisting is awkward.

also fuck you monte.

aeroplume
06-07-2013, 12:48 AM
$150 for five lps? fuck you billy. this is fucking ridiculous. we just want the fucking music in a fucking sleeve. nothing extravagant. fucking douche

it sure as fuck better be mastered properly or else i aint buying

aeroplume
06-07-2013, 12:49 AM
and fuck monte. fucking chump

stumpycat
06-07-2013, 02:31 AM
the end of that is this right?....

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fJCsXIb_vQc?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

does the song have a name?
It's the super-badass version of STP.
Well it's certainly not "Jellybelly (old version)"...who in the hell thought of that?

Cool As Ice Cream
06-07-2013, 02:48 AM
It's says "Dallas."

what was that?

adamdanger!
06-07-2013, 05:18 AM
what was that?
Pallas

redbull
06-07-2013, 01:47 PM
the end of that is this right?....

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fJCsXIb_vQc?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

does the song have a name?

what timestamp specifically? I have the following teases/quotes noted on splra for this show

XYU
Space Jam
Eye
Dose [Filter]
Star Spangled Banner
Hava Nagila [trad]

Fonzie
06-07-2013, 11:10 PM
aah, remember when the pumpkins used to be THIS GOOD...

stumpycat
06-08-2013, 12:23 AM
what timestamp specifically? I have the following teases/quotes noted on splra for this show

XYU
Space Jam
Eye
Dose [Filter]
Star Spangled Banner
Hava Nagila [trad]
Umm...it looks like you are talking about a 1997 show and not this 1992 show, right?

EDIT: NEVERMIND.
I see what you mean - you're talking about the STP tease in Silverfuck at this 1996 show, right? I'm looking for it.

It is around the 33:20 mark. It sounds like a good portion of the "song" actually but without any of the lyrics and the soloing isn't nearly as elaborate as it was in 1992.

In old boots I've seen this steroid version of STP also called "Offer Up II".

slunken
06-08-2013, 12:39 AM
^ this post looks like a chat log. you doing ok up there, stumpycat? you with us?

slunken
06-08-2013, 12:40 AM
"It won't included"

There is a lot to these reissues, they aren't as simple as you making a mix disc for your girlfriend.

slunken
06-08-2013, 12:41 AM
you are just now learning about this. this is a none story.

stumpycat
06-08-2013, 12:41 AM
Well I didn't want to make a new post about it.

slunken
06-08-2013, 12:41 AM
IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHO I AM

slunken
06-08-2013, 12:42 AM
Well I didn't want to make a new post about it.

its okay :love:

stumpycat
06-08-2013, 12:45 AM
Also: at the very end of that Silverfuck is a Johnny Cash "You are My Sunshine" tease.

LaBelle
06-08-2013, 10:09 PM
good on Billy on releasing a 1997 concert DVD, this is pretty much all I wanted from this release, the rest i'm indifferent to.

CrabbMan
06-09-2013, 02:36 AM
I wonder if at any point Billy will start contributing to archive.org. That would be boss.

smashingjj
06-09-2013, 05:15 AM
$150 for five lps? fuck you billy. this is fucking ridiculous.

not even lp's, EP's. fuck that indeed.

D.
06-09-2013, 03:00 PM
I wonder if at any point Billy will start contributing to archive.org. That would be boss.
^

LIVING IN THE PASS

redbull
06-09-2013, 03:29 PM
I wonder if at any point Billy will start contributing to archive.org. That would be boss.

if quinto's recent track record is any indication, that's gonna be a resounding "no"

Rider
06-09-2013, 05:26 PM
I wonder if at any point Billy will start contributing to archive.org. That would be boss.

We are talking about the man who has cancelled archive projects repeatedly because he's afraid the fans won't let him milk enough cash out of them.

sjpaterra
06-09-2013, 07:42 PM
not even lp's, EP's. fuck that indeed.

has this been confirmed? they're 10" EP's instead of 12" LP's? boooooooooooooo if that is indeed the case..... boourns, even!

slunken
06-09-2013, 11:20 PM
who said anything about 10"

Cool As Ice Cream
06-10-2013, 03:29 AM
who said anything about 10"

sjpaterra.

sjpaterra
06-10-2013, 09:47 AM
Yeah I'm jumping to irrational conclusions. The whole "not even LPs... EPs" comment made me assume they were cutting corners and pressing 10" versions... I stand corrected.

adamdanger!
06-10-2013, 10:12 AM
I heard they're going to be flexis. Get your pitchfork.

smashingjj
06-10-2013, 04:08 PM
Yeah I'm jumping to irrational conclusions. The whole "not even LPs... EPs" comment made me assume they were cutting corners and pressing 10" versions... I stand corrected.

jesus christ that is the stupidest thing i have ever read in my life. I hope your whole family dies.

smashingjj
06-10-2013, 04:08 PM
just kidding!

Kahlo
06-10-2013, 04:10 PM
That's the spirit.

Given that they are fleshing the EPs out to full length albums with all the extras, it seems churlish to complain about the format when it is a collection of EPs in all but name.

CHURLISH

just kidding!

I hope your whole family dies for retracting that!

smashingjj
06-10-2013, 04:15 PM
but not on vinyl, complete wanker! wanketeer! i hope your family dies and their family too!

smashingjj
06-10-2013, 04:15 PM
just kidding!

Rider
06-11-2013, 08:51 AM
That's the spirit.

Given that they are fleshing the EPs out to full length albums with all the extras, it seems churlish to complain about the format when it is a collection of EPs in all but name.

CHURLISH



I hope your whole family dies for retracting that!


No bonus tracks on the vinyl. So it's basically $150 for a set of Vinyl EPs. $30 an EP is fucking insane. Hell the ELP picture disk box set that came out 2 months ago was under $100.

sjpaterra
06-11-2013, 11:01 AM
RADIOHEAD presses alot of 10" records. It's cool... Arguably. But frankly too much flipping... I figured 3 songs on each side was possible.

redbull
06-11-2013, 11:11 AM
yeah but the Kid A and Amnesiac 2x10 sets are tight

ianmartinblin
06-11-2013, 11:47 AM
That's the spirit.

Given that they are fleshing the EPs out to full length albums with all the extras, it seems churlish to complain about the format when it is a collection of EPs in all but name.

CHURLISH



I hope your whole family dies for retracting that!

I agree here with Klaus Naomi:-)

sjpaterra
06-11-2013, 04:36 PM
yeah but the Kid A and Amnesiac 2x10 sets are tight

Agreed. As was the 2x10 TKOL.

pavementtune
06-15-2013, 06:39 PM
CD/DVD deluxe edition: 61 (72, $96)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CU9LHY2

Pizza Club
06-15-2013, 07:18 PM
How much was this when it came out originally? $35, including a custom manufactured box? That's like $50 now.

There's a lot more material here and I can understand asking for more than $50 this time but I will not pay $130 for CDs.

Kahlo
06-16-2013, 07:12 AM
CD/DVD deluxe edition: 61 (72, $96)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CU9LHY2

yikes. The artwork on the cover of each EP is pretty lame. It would have been nice if they had stuck with or improvised on the original artwork - it's like something has been lost in the overall feel of the set.

Still, it's coming out and at this point I feel that's a major victory for any fan (that we are actually seeing this happen)

pavementtune
06-16-2013, 07:59 AM
The cover artwork is a little disappointing, yes.
Still, I expected it to be around 90, I think 61 is actually a fair price for all this content.

aeroplume
06-16-2013, 11:09 PM
guess i'll be buying the uk vinyl edition since theyre the only ones that seem to get vinyl right the first time. still, getting the mellon collie set for $38 was a great deal

aeroplume
06-16-2013, 11:10 PM
and hell itll be cheaper from the uk too

redbull
06-17-2013, 06:04 PM
i can't wait to torrent this

Adult Head
06-17-2013, 06:58 PM
how does this model apply to the modern fan?


...at the end of the day...
...look,...
...the fact of the matter is...
...it's a complex process...
...most value...

slunken
06-21-2013, 12:13 AM
WHEN WILL THE NEW SONGS BE AVAILABLVE FOR DOWNLOAD THANKS - SLUNKEN KEEPS MUSIC ALIVE

Shallowed
06-21-2013, 02:14 AM
FUCKING CRYBABY WHINERS

chucklescrotum
06-28-2013, 10:03 PM
LEAK

T&T
06-29-2013, 10:58 AM
what's the release date again?

redbull
06-30-2013, 03:34 AM
what's the release date again?

my dickhole

Shallowed
06-30-2013, 04:16 AM
That amazon link says July 29

strtj
06-30-2013, 07:32 PM
The Gravity demos will almost certainly be higher quality than the ones we have now. We are stuck with almost silent tracks for the softer songs and barely mixed tracks when the songs become louder. God willing there will be no remixing... (RIP Cinder Open).

chucklescrotum
07-01-2013, 05:45 PM
leak is up!

chucklescrotum
07-01-2013, 05:46 PM
Movers and Shakirs sounds pretty good!

Kahlo
07-01-2013, 06:10 PM
is this lies? LIES?

redbull
07-01-2013, 08:33 PM
yeah i'm not seeing this on what.cd or any public torrent sites

Kahlo
07-02-2013, 03:36 AM
Permaban chucklescrotum


signed

RenewRevive
07-02-2013, 09:46 AM
signed

DeusExMachina
07-06-2013, 12:02 AM
For what it's worth, review copies have been sent out, so it should leak soon.

Shallowed
07-06-2013, 02:00 AM
WHERE'S THE FUCKING LEAK GOD DAMN IT FUCK YOU ALL ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY COULD SHARE THIS SHIT FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Shallowed
07-06-2013, 02:00 AM
FUCKING WHINERS

slunken
07-06-2013, 02:09 AM
NUKE CROATIA

Kahlo
07-06-2013, 03:43 AM
Like you say, I'm amazed Monte hasn't been talking about the release more. I doubt it is due to a lack of restraint on his part, probably he hasn't received it yet.

Shallowed
07-06-2013, 06:37 AM
Yeah this is why there isn't a link posted you fucktard. Btw- yes it has leaked from a review copy, there are 7 songs missing from the tracklisting I've seen on SP.com though :( , still pretty good stuff. . I'm surprised Monte hasn't been jizzing "sips" of the tracks already.

FUCK YOU FUCKING WHINER

Shallowed
07-06-2013, 06:37 AM
FUCK

Shallowed
07-06-2013, 06:39 AM
lack of restraint on his part

<lol>

Raskolnikov
07-06-2013, 06:17 PM
Thumbnails as the artwork teaser have shown up on the official site - and they're making me even more nervous about how this thing is going to look than the other image that's out there. These thumbnails could be VERY easily mistaken be stuff from the Oceania booklet or from the Celestials 7" box.

Exhibit A: TAFH Thumbnails

<img src=http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/wp-content/gallery/tafh-reissue/tafh4.jpg>

<img src=http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/wp-content/gallery/tafh-reissue/tafh5.jpg>

Exhibit B: Oceania Stuff

<img src=http://images.45cat.com/smashing-pumpkins-the-celestials-marthas-music.jpg>

<img src=http://s14.postimg.org/lu1d8ntcx/Photo1840.jpg>

I mean, c'mon - just totally lazy and lame. At least TRY to stick within the framework of the design for the original albums. While I didn't love any of the prior ones (Pisces was the closest to being 'cool') at least they weren't this far off the mark.

Raskolnikov
07-06-2013, 11:04 PM
And not sure that this has always been in such gloriously atrocious high detail, but man - this design just plain sucks. Hope that there are at least some subtleties in the print job that make it tolerable, because this appears like unto shit.

<img src=http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/SmashingP_AERO_re1-small.jpg>

SlingeroGuitaro
07-06-2013, 11:25 PM
That is terrible. Maybe it makes more sense in person... Looks like they had ink left over from the zeitgeist printings.

latin_hacker
07-06-2013, 11:54 PM
fuck you tafh reissue artwork fucking criminal you are a terrorist

paranoid
07-06-2013, 11:59 PM
Why didn't they just go with the original individual covers? Too expensive?

stumpycat
07-07-2013, 01:00 AM
What better tribute to the nineties than releasing the records with special edition Magic Eye covers! I wonder what I am supposed to see, or if there might also be special collectors Pogs inside the box?

stumpycat
07-07-2013, 02:50 AM
Wait...you were in middle school back around 92'-94'? I thought you were around my age...(I was still in elementary back then.) Boys thought they were totally badass when they brought "triple-slammers" to the playground. Even back then this struck me as slightly asinine, though, because when I collected my bag of Pogs from the giant metal tub at the back of the craft store I simply picked out the really thick plastic slammers as opposed to the ones of regular thickness...and they were neither more difficult to find nor more than a quarter or so more expensive than the regular ones. So...for a quarter more investment I was instantly cool?

Kahlo
07-07-2013, 05:47 AM
The EPs look like Folio Book covers which I don't mind. What I'm guessing is the DVD sleeve at the back sticks out like a sore thumb though. It's like someone forgot what a cohesive package is.

smashingjj
07-07-2013, 08:48 AM
i would like to have TAFH on vinyl but i might not buy it if it's really ugly. why can't they just stick with the original artwork? also i'm not intending to buy it for the price that they want to sell it. ridiculous.

i have the same problem with the SD reissue. i still want to buy a nice copy, but i'd much prefer to pick up the original.

Whole thing reminds me of this article: http://recordcollectornews.com/2013/05/the-rising-cost-of-new-vinyl/

Raskolnikov
07-07-2013, 10:26 AM
Why didn't they just go with the original individual covers? Too expensive?

Excellent question. Guessing it's a rights usage thing? Or maybe they wanted them all to 'match'?

Here's to hoping there's some rhyme and reason to those folio books that Kahlo has mentioned...

Rider
07-07-2013, 10:57 AM
The things that bugs me is Gish and SD came out at the same time and they clearly were the artwork conceptually. I don't really like that artwork but at the time I thought it was a neat idea to connect all the resissues with redesigned artwork that all fit together, then they just abandoned that and now every release is different. I don't like that the first two look the same just because they were released together.

This all just makes this box make less sense. Should have all just been one massive MCIS definitive reissue.

slunken
07-07-2013, 01:11 PM
i would like to have TAFH on vinyl but i might not buy it if it's really ugly. why can't they just stick with the original artwork? also i'm not intending to buy it for the price that they want to sell it. ridiculous.

i have the same problem with the SD reissue. i still want to buy a nice copy, but i'd much prefer to pick up the original.

Whole thing reminds me of this article: http://recordcollectornews.com/2013/05/the-rising-cost-of-new-vinyl/

Skimmed the article but for serious collectors reissues aren't worth it.

RenewRevive
07-07-2013, 01:50 PM
The things that bugs me is Gish and SD came out at the same time and they clearly were the artwork conceptually. I don't really like that artwork but at the time I thought it was a neat idea to connect all the resissues with redesigned artwork that all fit together, then they just abandoned that and now every release is different. I don't like that the first two look the same just because they were released together.

This all just makes this box make less sense. Should have all just been one massive MCIS definitive reissue.

the art sucks ass. i think TAFH deserved a reissue, especially since the original release was limited. they should have imo cut the MCIS singles out and just put together a remastered 2CD set (minus Pastichio and the covers) plus a bonus disk. in no way should it be so expensive as the only people who'll buy it are completest SP fans who are once more shafted by excessive pricing, this time for a b-sides collection!

New Art Rioter
07-07-2013, 03:39 PM
I quite like the new artwork!

RenewRevive
07-07-2013, 03:41 PM
^^^

permaban!

pavementtune
07-07-2013, 04:00 PM
Skimmed the article but for serious collectors reissues aren't worth it.

TAFH vinyl is a first pressing, though.


However I'm not gonna spend €150 for LPs with this new "artwork" and packaging before I'm sure that they didn't fuck up the pressing again.

adamdanger!
07-07-2013, 04:23 PM
However I'm not gonna spend €150 for LPs with this new "artwork" and packaging before I'm sure that they didn't fuck up the pressing again.
Word.

Vinyl quality has been absolute shit since Oceania and forward.

smashingjj
07-07-2013, 04:45 PM
Skimmed the article but for serious collectors reissues aren't worth it.

what

ciGarski
07-08-2013, 02:56 AM
i'm stoked. didn't even know they were considering this in their re-release series. therefore, i am pleased with whatever. if i want original artwork ill go to the original box set.

Woody
07-08-2013, 12:48 PM
The things that bugs me is Gish and SD came out at the same time and they clearly were the artwork conceptually. I don't really like that artwork but at the time I thought it was a neat idea to connect all the resissues with redesigned artwork that all fit together, then they just abandoned that and now every release is different. I don't like that the first two look the same just because they were released together.

We need reissues of the reissues.

slunken
07-08-2013, 01:56 PM
what

I should clarify but I'm too lazy. Majority of the time reissues aren't worth it.

Adult Head
07-08-2013, 02:28 PM
if i want original artwork ill go to the original box set.

"i am really in the mood right now for some fucking original artwork!"

walks over to box set

"ah yes. here it is."

ciGarski
07-08-2013, 02:36 PM
right!

slunken
07-08-2013, 02:54 PM
everyone dislikes the album artwork because they don't like how it will look in itunes

JRock
07-09-2013, 08:03 AM
This vinyl should not have the same problems of the MCIS vinyl because there are less songs that will be included on each record. The records will correspond to the actual singles albums and therefore only ******* 5-7 songs, therefore, we will not run into the same problem that caused the MCIS vinyl to run into problems because some of the records contained too many songs on a single side of the record. At least, here's hoping.

Shallowed
07-09-2013, 08:08 AM
This vinyl should not have the same problems of the MCIS vinyl because there are less songs that will be included on each record.

fewer songs.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-09-2013, 08:09 AM
so there were too many songs on each side of the mellon collie reissue vinyl records? the version with four records, right?

how do you explain then that there were never any problems reported about the original vinyl release, which had two more (bonus) songs, and only three records?

Shallowed
07-09-2013, 08:09 AM
You'd think that the original MCIS vinyl having three LPs and the reissue having four would mean that the original would sound worse, right?

Shallowed
07-09-2013, 08:09 AM
CAIC you fucking whiner.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-09-2013, 08:10 AM
THIS IS EULOGY FUCK

Shallowed
07-09-2013, 08:12 AM
FUCK FUCK

JRock
07-09-2013, 08:39 AM
it is how the vinyl is pressed. The spacing of the grooves. the wider the spacing, supposedly, the higher the quality in the vinyl because more "information" is pressed into the vinyl. either way, there is no way to know until we hear them.