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Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 04:54 AM
on the go:

final fantasy xiii-2 (ps3)

i got this cheap – on the basis of having mostly enjoyed ff xiii – and played it on and off from may-august last year. haven't really been able to get back into it since then. i'll finish it eventually (i'm going to have a lot of down time in february so probably then) and then sell my ps3, i think. i mostly only use it to watch blu-rays and since i got an apple tv that hardly ever happens

legend of zelda: ocarina of time 3d (3ds)

i never played the original ocarina of time so this was an obvious purchase when it came out in 2011. but i played it for about an hour and gave up on it. then super mario 3d land came out and stole my attention… then i kind of forgot about the 3ds. anyway, i've picked this back up again and although it does seem pretty dated (slow, repetitious) i'm still enjoying it quite a lot.


recently played:

the room (iOS)

short and sweet. and cheap. a bit obvious about half the time but pleasantly creative puzzles for the rest. hooked me for a few hours – exactly what i want from a game these days. devoting dozens of hours to a single title used to feel like good value for money, but now it just seems like an insane waste of time


abandoned:

sonic cd (iOS)

got this for a dollar or two on my ipad a day or two after christmas. fun for about 15 minutes. the sonic games' high-speed-plus-cheap-obstacles formula has aged terribly.

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 05:58 AM
what's final fantasy 13 like i heard the plot is useless

i've been playing 6 and 12 and i just started 5. none of them are finished. i'm 100 hours into 12 and i think i'm like halfway through i can't tell.

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 06:01 AM
i don't care if spending hundereds of hours on games is an insane waste of time, i find living to be a waste of time in general

Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 06:23 AM
what's final fantasy 13 like i heard the plot is useless

i've been playing 6 and 12 and i just started 5. none of them are finished. i'm 100 hours into 12 and i think i'm like halfway through i can't tell.

the plot in xiii is fairly silly. but they all are really. at least it's internally consistent, though. i enjoyed the gameplay and that i didn't feel compelled at all to waste loads of time on sidequests. apparently lots of people are into that though so ymmv

xii has i think the best battle/dev system of all the ff games but one of the dumbest plots (and that's saying something). you're probably closer to the end than you think – from memory it totally goes off the rails at around the "feels like 2/3 through" point and gets ridiculous like it's going out of fashion. at the time i couldn't help wondering if they ran out of time/money and thought well, fuck it, let's just wrap things up now and ship the bastard

never liked vi that much (yeah yeah), haven't played v

Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 06:24 AM
i don't care if spending hundereds of hours on games is an insane waste of time, i find living to be a waste of time in general

well. perhaps

but i have this constant compulsion to Make Stuff so sitting around playing games is a bit like ignoring an itch

strange_one
01-09-2013, 06:25 AM
<font color=33FFFF> I'm cruisin through Far Cry 3 and want to get back to Rayman Origins sometime</font>

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 06:31 AM
the plot in xiii is fairly silly. but they all are really. at least it's internally consistent, though. i enjoyed the gameplay and that i didn't feel compelled at all to waste loads of time on sidequests. apparently lots of people are into that though so ymmv

xii has i think the best battle/dev system of all the ff games but one of the dumbest plots (and that's saying something). you're probably closer to the end than you think – from memory it totally goes off the rails at around the "feels like 2/3 through" point and gets ridiculous like it's going out of fashion. at the time i couldn't help wondering if they ran out of time/money and thought well, fuck it, let's just wrap things up now and ship the bastard

there's so many inconsistencies and stupid reasons to go places like...Ashe has to find a rock to prove she's the rightful heir but then when you get it, it blows up a ship and then it's not really important anymore and you have to get another thing because blah blah blah and you're just like what why, why is this happening. who is this ridiculous person with the sunglasses why is he here, who is this pirate king why is he here what is going on what the hell just happened with cid? how is vayne supposed to be the big bad when he barely ever shows up to do or say anything

Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 06:33 AM
i'm captain basch von ronsenburg of dalmasca

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 06:34 AM
i earned my sandalwood chop

Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 06:36 AM
it's a stupid game. but fun

that being said my favourite part, aside from the levelling system and complete lack of random encounters, was setting up the levelling loop in that desert temple and just leaving it running for a few days, then whipping through the rest of the game really quickly

video game stockholm syndrome

'fun' i should say

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 06:38 AM
yeah i'm determined not to do the autoleveling. balty's almost at 50 anyway, everyone else is about 5 levels behind, except vaan because i hate him

i'm now at the part after draklor and going all the way to the south through the feywood to girugenvian or w/e to get another rock because war

Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 06:42 AM
well, that's your choice. YOU'LL REGRET IT

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 06:54 AM
you think ?

Luke de Spa
01-09-2013, 07:07 AM
not really. you will regret it though

Sonic Johnny
01-09-2013, 07:14 AM
Crash Bandicoot

Crash bandicoot is a orange bandicoot with a big jump and a cool spin move and he goes to the mad scientists house on the island and you have to spin some turtles and plants and get lots of apples too it's the most fun game on my cousins playstation but i can only play it at my cousins house and that sucks

vixnix
01-09-2013, 07:33 AM
In my spare time I run or play piano but there's no thread for those things so i read this one instead. I don't understand games. Except board games.

Mo
01-09-2013, 07:35 AM
Just got into Civ V again. It's even more fun with the Gods & Kings extension.

duovamp
01-09-2013, 08:47 AM
We're all just killin' time.

Order 66
01-09-2013, 08:53 AM
i just got done playing walking dead. jesus what an amazing game. the acting is (generally) better than the show :erm:

I'm halfway through hotline miami. if you have steam and dobn't have this, drop what you're doing and get this now.

i started up baldur's gate because i'm trying to get into oldschool PC rpgs. about 30 mins into it its ok

i quit playing far cry 3 on xmas but picked it back up again... getting into it again. at first it rubbed me the wrong way for a few reasons but now i'm feeling it i guess

duovamp
01-09-2013, 11:00 AM
Oh FFS.

duovamp
01-09-2013, 11:06 AM
That was about me, not you, 66,

soniclovenoize
01-09-2013, 11:16 AM
what's final fantasy 13 like i heard the plot is useless

i've been playing 6 and 12 and i just started 5. none of them are finished. i'm 100 hours into 12 and i think i'm like halfway through i can't tell.

V is hard as fuck.

noyen
01-09-2013, 02:59 PM
deadlight on 360. zombie sidescrolling awesome.
happy action theater with kinect. i worked on this and jerk off in bed while hot lava surrounds me. wanna film a porn with it.
borderlands 2 on 360.
plants vs. zombies on iphone.

redbreegull
01-09-2013, 08:01 PM
I don't know what to play anymore. I was out of the video game loop for many years and then purchased a 360 real cheap a few years back. I love the Rockstar games... Red Dead is probably the best video game I have ever played, I am currently working my way through it for a third time. I would like to play some more games, but I am kind of afraid of spending so much cash on something I am afraid I won't like. I bought Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark for the 360 cause I loved their N64 counterparts, but they both kind of sucked and were really boring to play. suggestions plz to tide me over until GTA V?

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 08:04 PM
SKYRIM duh

redbreegull
01-09-2013, 08:04 PM
basically I want to play more games that are so beautifully immersive that I can have fun just running around and shit

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 08:04 PM
also bioshock is a satire of atlas shrugged, i imagine you'd like that

redbreegull
01-09-2013, 08:04 PM
SKYRIM duh

I'm totally ignorant about games, I know this got a ton of hype, is it truly as awesome as it has been built up to be?

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 08:06 PM
basically I want to play more games that are so beautifully immersive that I can have fun just running around and shit

<img src="http://www.troll.me/images/boromir/one-does-not-simply-finish-skyrim.jpg">

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 08:07 PM
I'm totally ignorant about games, I know this got a ton of hype, is it truly as awesome as it has been built up to be?

yes, god yes.

you're talking about a fully immersive world you can get lost in? skyrim is fuckin incredible.

i don't really buy into hype about anything, you should know i'd much rather shit on everything. i mean you say i hate everything. well i love skyrim.

Trotskilicious
01-09-2013, 08:11 PM
plus you like middle earth and lotr this is a no brainer, i think you'd love this game. it's really hard not to, from any standpoint

Order 66
01-09-2013, 08:26 PM
yeah skyrim absolutely lives up to the hype. if you play one game form this generation make it that

redbreegull
01-09-2013, 10:57 PM
thanks bros you saved me from playing the same games over and over forever

null123
01-09-2013, 11:16 PM
abandoned:

sonic cd (iOS)

got this for a dollar or two on my ipad a day or two after christmas. fun for about 15 minutes. the sonic games' high-speed-plus-cheap-obstacles formula has aged terribly.

:nooooo:

killtrocity
01-09-2013, 11:43 PM
yes, god yes.

you're talking about a fully immersive world you can get lost in? skyrim is fuckin incredible.

i don't really buy into hype about anything, you should know i'd much rather shit on everything. i mean you say i hate everything. well i love skyrim.

Gotta second this. Haven't played in a long time but... definitely the best gaming experience of the last 10 years


The most recent game I played was Halo 4. Fun challenge on legendary, but shooters are homogenizing fast which is bad news if you're not into COD. I don't want fucking sprint in Halo.

Playing the Orange Box in my spare time. Half Life 3, plz.

I'm totally ignorant about games, I know this got a ton of hype, is it truly as awesome as it has been built up to be?

Skyrim is basically Oblivon with all of the shitty things about the latter fixed. NO repeating dungeons which in itself is truly amazing. I believe for Oblivion, Bethesda had ONE guy doing dungeons and for Skyrim they had a team of 10+ people, and it shows.

Perfect Dark has aged horribly with the low framerate and frequent slowdown. If that's what's holding you back, check out the XBL HD remake.

Order 66
01-10-2013, 12:02 AM
i went full nerdcore with my new laptop and got oblivion game of the year delux edition with a bunch of graphic enhancing mods. it doesnt look as good as skyrim... yet. but its getting there. now to find a way to swap out the user interface with something less shitty like skyrim's... damn son.

AndySlash
01-10-2013, 12:06 AM
anyone play sleeping dogs? i want to like it but really i am just ambivalent about it. just cause 2 it is not.

Order 66
01-10-2013, 12:20 AM
i put a good amount of time into sleeping dogs to like it... but the story was stupid the attacks could feel unintuitive and frustrating. it was a cool time waster... but i got it as a gift so its hard for me to say it was worth whatever my friend paid for it

Trotskilicious
01-17-2013, 07:29 AM
so, we haven't seen RBG since we told him about skyrim

Sonic Johnny
01-17-2013, 07:34 AM
Ive just gone back to Portal 2 for the first time since the steam workshop function was released. Pretty much a bottomless well of new test chambers. Replay value has been exponentially increased.

Mo
01-17-2013, 08:21 AM
Me too. I gifted it to my brother this week and of course had to start playing through it again. I don't think any other game has ever entertained me that much with only four characters. Chell doesn't speak, but do Cave Johnson, GLaDOS and Wheatley ever make up for it. Superb writing as well as voice acting.

Luke de Spa
01-17-2013, 06:54 PM
portal 2's level editor is a heap of fun

i probably spent as much time building test chambers as i did playing the game

Luke de Spa
01-17-2013, 06:56 PM
only stopped because my iMac is old and has rubbish integrated graphics so my chambers took forever to compile for testing. if i had a faster computer i'd probably still be at it

null123
01-17-2013, 06:59 PM
Portal 1 & 2 are the only games I completed last year and i like them a lot. but my brother hyped the ending of Portal 2 and I was v disappointed

TuralyonW3
01-17-2013, 07:56 PM
portal 2's level editor is a heap of fun

i probably spent as much time building test chambers as i did playing the game

HEAPS MATE KIWI KIWI YUK YUK

Luke de Spa
01-17-2013, 08:22 PM
you just hate my freedom

Luke de Spa
01-17-2013, 08:23 PM
stop hating my freedom

TuralyonW3
01-17-2013, 08:25 PM
Heaps o' freedum mayte

Order 66
01-17-2013, 08:44 PM
these colors don't run

Banana
01-17-2013, 10:46 PM
Anyone here play Dota 2?

Sonic Johnny
01-17-2013, 10:53 PM
Banana plays dota. Big surprise.

Banana
01-17-2013, 11:20 PM
Shit just randomly appeared in my steam library one day a few weeks back. I don't know if everyone got a free copy or what.

I don't get what the big deal is but one thing I've noticed when I've played it is that it has the worst community of any game I've played. People flip out at the drop of a hat.

obscured01
01-17-2013, 11:33 PM
also bioshock is a satire of atlas shrugged, i imagine you'd like that

<font color="dab9ea">I'm a big fan of the bioshock franchise (I liked the first better than 2 though) ... and I'm not sure how I'm going to like the new one coming out, but I have a feeling it'll be pretty good.

@redbreegull
Fallout is by far my favorite game franchise on 360 though. I absolutely loved Fallout 3 (the expansions less though) and New Vegas was great as well, but I just really liked wandering around the "capital wasteland" and doing all the side quests. New Vegas is such an immense map/game play that you can spend forever doing all the side quests and each different main quest story line.</font>

Order 66
01-17-2013, 11:46 PM
fallout 3 felt kind of hollow to me ( but i played it coming right off of skyrim). loved new vegas though.. writing was much better and the world was more interesting at the cost of the 'epic' feel capitol wasteland had.

fallout 4 is going to be announced soon its supposed to be set in boston and be more cyberpunk. i'm pretty hyped about it but i hope its going on the ps4/nextbox. skyrim maxed the fucked out of current systems and full of game breaking bugs

obscured01
01-17-2013, 11:49 PM
fallout 4 is going to be announced soon its supposed to be in boston and be more cyberpunk. i'm pretty hyped about it but i hope its going on the ps4/nextbox. skyrim maxed the fucked out of current systems and full of game breaking bugs

<font color="dab9ea"></font>

redbreegull
01-18-2013, 06:29 PM
so, we haven't seen RBG since we told him about skyrim

MY COMPUTERS BROKE

null123
01-18-2013, 08:15 PM
I'm gonna try to get L.S.D. running on my computer tonight

Order 66
01-18-2013, 10:52 PM
i never knew that existed until i saw this video of it a few weeks ago. it made me sad those sort of games never really caught on

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/UmzC8-hPuZo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

slunken
01-18-2013, 11:38 PM
oh i've played that. not too long ago in fact. don't remember a thing about it which is good.

this is another good playstation non-game

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ag3j7GZoFgc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

killtrocity
01-19-2013, 12:26 AM
@redbreegull
Fallout is by far my favorite game franchise on 360 though. I absolutely loved Fallout 3 (the expansions less though) and New Vegas was great as well, but I just really liked wandering around the "capital wasteland" and doing all the side quests. New Vegas is such an immense map/game play that you can spend forever doing all the side quests and each different main quest story line.</font>

^this


I'd rank FO3 second to Skyrim in terms of open-ended gameplay. You have to be into the setting though which is grim as fuck and rather grey.

slunken
01-19-2013, 12:41 AM
i never knew that existed until i saw this video of it a few weeks ago. it made me sad those sort of games never really caught on

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/l4TKQ7ZTvVI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>





this is seriously one of the dumbest things i've ever watched

Order 66
01-19-2013, 02:54 AM
i can see why somebody might think that . but at face value you have both steve carrell and chris rock improvising in that format.. i think its good for what it is. thats my 2 cents

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 08:20 AM
<font color="dab9ea">I'm a big fan of the bioshock franchise (I liked the first better than 2 though) ... and I'm not sure how I'm going to like the new one coming out, but I have a feeling it'll be pretty good.

bioshock 2 was cranked out by 2k with a different dev team to capitalize on the popularity of the first one. bioshock infinite is going to be done by the same team as 1 (as well as the genius behind System Shock, which are technically the first games in the "shock" series) and should be uncompromisingly brutal about american exceptionalism, religious intolerance and general racism. I certainly can't wait, considering how they savaged Rand.

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 08:22 AM
i really much prefer fallout new vegas to fallout 3, since i was a fan of the first two games when i was in high school and could really feel that original dev team's influence on new vegas. I liked that even the shop owners were characters onto themselves.

also major rawls as cesar? i mean how great is that. FUCK YOU MCNULTY, THIS IS MY WASTELAND.

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 08:33 AM
MY COMPUTERS BROKE

i was really hoping you got completely sucked in by skyrim

killtrocity
01-19-2013, 11:38 AM
i really much prefer fallout new vegas to fallout 3, since i was a fan of the first two games when i was in high school and could really feel that original dev team's influence on new vegas. I liked that even the shop owners were characters onto themselves.

also major rawls as cesar? i mean how great is that. FUCK YOU MCNULTY, THIS IS MY WASTELAND.

There are plenty of things NV did better than FO3 - weapon mods, followers, variety of endings, and yeah, the characters were pretty memorable.

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 11:42 AM
that whole conversation with caesar is just fantastic, it's one of those moments where vidya games aren't just stupid entertainment and can be pretty thought provoking. The whole story line where each side is kind of a different color of shit is also really wonderful in that regard.

the voice cast is better, they didn't blow the entire wad on liam neeson and malcom mcdowell, they hired quality tv actors (john doman, rene auberjonis) and people who need money like matthew perry. besides who doesn't love Danny Trejo?

and yeah the followers are a lot of fun, they're all pretty good in their own way. veronica tears through motherfuckers. i enjoyed arcade a lot as well, even though once you complete his mission with the enclave remnants (which is great) you inexplicably can't use him anymore.

weapons were significantly better, really liked the strength requirement so my gun toting soldier girl was only a 6 strength so the anti-materiel rifle was off limits, but it wasn't like F3 where you get the hunting rifle early and you use it throughout the rest of the game.

my major gripes about FNV, and the series in general, is the Glorious Brown-O-Vision (which is pushed to the point of self-parody at Ceasar's camp) and the fact that sometimes the city felt kind of empty, could have used a little more stuff inbetween all the screens on freeside you know? and i think more games need to completely rip off mass effect's cinematic presentation of conversations

Order 66
01-19-2013, 12:09 PM
alot of nerds would demand my balls torn off for saying this.. but maybe its time to move off of 50s americana? like maybe 70s/80s americana for the next game or something... i know it'd be a huge retcon but i feel retro-future 50s americana has been beat to death not just by fallout but other games too. just not that impactful anymore. plus the cold war was still going on well until the late 80s so it could still make sense

i just think up to a point its going to get stale if it isn't already. though there are ways to mix it up.. i noticed new vegas kind of dusted it under the rug a little. it was generally just "retro western" more than anything

killtrocity
01-19-2013, 12:31 PM
I can definitely see Bethesda addressing the stifling greyness/brownness, since it's by far the most common complaint. That, or the world being boring and lifeless. Like in Half-Life 2, a lot of the city has been shelled into oblivion but the greyness is not there. So maybe Vancouver or something would make a better setting. Or maybe there's a huge city that has the totalitarian feel due to Enclave control, and then you wander into the wild. In that regard, New York or Chicago would work...

Maybe next-gen graphics and a new setting will be enough

The 50's thing is built into the lore though so changing that would require an overhaul of the entire brand

Order 66
01-19-2013, 01:19 PM
the next game is rumored to be in the commonwealth so it'll be more glitzy and fututistic if thats true. hopefully bethesda took notes from some of the fallout 3/NV mods that clear up the environs better

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 01:38 PM
the ray gun deco in fallout is integral, honestly if you're going to complain about other games doing it, then they're just copying fallout because that was a part of the original 2d computer games from the 90s. and it's funny, you're practically asking to get rid of Vault Boy.

i dunno if you're also mistaking bioshock as being "50s Americana" or more precisely, ray gun deco and some googie elements, but Bioshock is Futurized 20s Art Deco

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 01:39 PM
i'd like to point out that the only console games i've played really over the last few years are the fallouts, the mass effects, S K Y R I M, Bioshock 1, and NBA 2k

am i missing out on anything

Order 66
01-19-2013, 02:11 PM
Dishonored was cool but with bioshock infinite around the corner i dont know if i'd bother since Infinite's gameplay looks to be Dishonored on steroids

Dark Souls is a must have if youre into dungeon crawlers ... though i'd hate to cal it a 'dungeon crawler' for some reaosn

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 02:24 PM
is it like level up your characters and nuke shit

Order 66
01-19-2013, 02:38 PM
no you can be leveled up to infinity but a minor enemy can still kill you with a few stabs if you let your guard down. it tests your wits like an old school arcade shooter would.

the game has a fanatical following but i'm somewhere in the middle. probably because i play rpgs to unwind, and it surely isnt 'relaxing'... but it does make you feel like a god at times

Trotskilicious
01-19-2013, 02:57 PM
i just prefer rpgs to almost anything except for a well made sports title like nba 2k

Trotskilicious
01-25-2013, 03:09 PM
so i've made my way though the mass effect series, again with my femme shep vanguard because i couldn't get anyone else to look as convincingly part of the universe. Well other than Tony Stark-Shepard, since full N7 armor does look like Iron Man.

mass effect 1 has a delightful sense of innocence and dorky sci-fi homage, with nerd characters all over the ship. however, its issues are threefold: first, even on hardcore it's easy as shit and i never used hardly any of my powers as much as a lark (when you can blast fuckers pretty quickly with the shotty it's kind of a waste of time to lift them and then aim at them), second the texture ressing issues are confusing considering S K Y R I M, I know it was released much later but jesus the number of times you walk into an area or a scene and the texture aren't loaded is incredibly distracting and third, the unbelievable amount of useless guns they fling at you relentlessly. I think the story is tighter, characters are generally interesting and pleasantly devoid of grim mysteriousness, angst or any other tiresome trope that is mistaken as "cool" (in fact, making Wrex such a comedian really made his character likeable, same with Garrus), the galaxy is wonderfully detailed and realized, and the ending is still brilliantly put together.

mass effect 2 improves on a lot of things gameplay wise. Once you get used to it and aren't terrified of leaving cover (course I beat it once before, adding barrier to my vanguard skills), combat is better, it's much more challenging and when you get over that hump on hardcore mode it's incredibly rewarding to fuck dudes up because you really lean on team mates with skills like Overload, Incinerate and anything else that does damage to shields or armor. So I tell Mordin to incinerate a collector with armor ("Flammable, or inflammable? DOESN'T MATTER.") and then shep blasts him with a shotty, that's fuckin teamwork.

Mordin is one of their greatest character achievements, and makes up for at least 3 annoying characters like Jack (ooh ~ so hardcore) and etc. You have to appreciate the fact that they've basically created a likable, funny, affable individual partly responsible for a horrific mass abortion/genocide. It's what bioware used to to pretty good at, toeing that line of good and evil, although I'd say Fallout's original dev team is far better at this kind of realism. legion is one of the coolest surprises, and is flat awesome; took him and mordin to the collector ship and wrecked shop. all the dialogues with legion are fuckin great, and the audio file of the geth asking the quarian "does this unit has a soul?" is really well done and rather chilling. i love the implied idea that the geth basically built a shepard platform to do shepard things (especially for a series that seems to explain everything to you and leaves almost nothing up for interpretation). i enjoyed the non linear element of the story and the loyalty missions even though i would have liked to shoot more people on a couple of them. I'm not sure if it's a fair to complain that a lot of their "towns" are very small and kind of empty but that's a problem with all of it, but it is japanese rpg style in its ways sometimes. Mass Effect is very much a marriage between western rpg traditions and the linear storyline of japanese rpgs.

I liked the limited power tree, could have used a few more weapons but it was a relief after the mess that was Mass Effect's inventory. I also noticed a lot of renegade options were darker than the first game which is sort of disappointing since my shep is cold, but not evil. The Terminator final boss is a sad wholesale rip from another popular series (you could make that case for the reapers as a whole being a pastiche of cthulu terminator harvesters), and honestly when I heard ME3's ending was terrible I thought "well mass effect 2's ending wasn't very good either." However, one of the fun things about the last fight is all the team selection issues and the fact that some of them die (I didn't upgrade a few systems just so I could watch Jack and Kasumi die). Also the fact that you can cruise around afterward and finish up anything you didn't do.

If you play the fist and second games enough you start to notice that a lot of it is the illusion of choice, whatever shep says doesn't really matter to the characters they are talking to, and I noticed a lot of the Paragon, Neutral, or Renegade conversation options result in either shep saying the same thing each time no matter what the choice is, or another character not even reacting to it. Unsurprising really, considering the amount of detail that goes into these scenes.

Now I'm finally working on ME3 and I'm already kind of disappointed, if I hadn't spoiled the ending I think I would have expected something like a cornball starchild. First of all my kick ass femme shep doesn't import to ME3 so I'm forced to redo her entire look and it hasn't been successful yet. In fact, I think one of the problems is that they made her body thinner and more "feminine" which is v. bad when you're a fuckin vanguard hardass. Jinette is made of scar tissue, bullet wounds and twisted sinew, not some dainty feminine sprite.

Second, the dialogue was sometimes kind of poor in parte thee firste and thee seconde but in a charmingly dorky way but now it's corny in a shitty hollywood blockbuster way. When my shep gave kaiden an order to wake up I just about vomited on myself. Plus all the grandstanding about reapers is kind of silly, are they "bastards"? I mean when you set up a villain this big and impossible to stop you should stick with the neutrality of their task, they don't even <i>give a shit</I> about you this is just how the universe works...but you could have done that with a spacefaring locust menace and spared yourself all the difficulty in figuring out how to destroy fleets of ships bigger than anything else in the galaxy but i digress...

also i noticed throughout the second and third games, they curse way more than they ever did in the first, and and a bunch of characters say bitch and son of a bitch so much i just can't even. In fact when Victus says "I piss people off" which repeats something Garrus already said almost word for word previously, which is annoying in of itself but then the whole idiom on top of it... I can accept garrus saying something like "pissing people off" since he's worked with humans since ever, but another species that hasn't really left his planet? I mean come on it just feels like you're being fucking lazy and not thinking very hard about expressions like that. You might as well have Victus calling people pendejos.

also there's a sparring scene in 3 with vega where he punches you a bunch and if you're dainty fem shep it looks like abuse, even though my shep is a vanguard that's supposed to be in the front lines with a shotgun and biotics...but she's so small compared to him it doesn't look very convincing. and then immediately afterwards he hits on fem shep, which is REAL weird, and of course my shep told him that he has to call her commander. also, there's this female reporter shep can punch in the second game that i think is supposed to be a joke but it's really not funny to hit an unarmed woman? Or am I being hypocritical because the Shadow Broker vid of the krogan throwing a salarian into the vorcha pit had me laughing out loud? the anti press and anti political stances of the game are generally confusing but that is a pretty general (dumb) attitude of most americans, so I digress. I have a very hard time believing that it would be difficult to amass an unified cross-species front against extra galactic dark gods bent on eradicating all life.

biggest cornball hack writer moment so far was the dream sequence. if there's another one i think i may have an aneurysm. Narrative starts to suck when dream sequences get involved, this is a rule. Unless it's Lynchian in which the dream sequences are confused and surreal, like actual dreams (at least mine) instead of just dramatic unsubtle metaphors related to the plot.

Combat is pretty fun on 3, it's nice that my biotic now has a megapunch and the melee isn't as fuckin useless as it was on 2 but some of this shit is fuckin irritating, dealing with 2 brutes with no incinerate (MORDIN WHERE ART THOU) is a little bit too hard to throw at me at the beginning of the game.

Also what happened to Liara's refusal to use contractions and how did her eyes get darker? I mean I can buy the character shift but the contractions thing, I just kind of thought it was a cute touch to really color her as a very anti-social, awkward research nerd. Still I miss the breathy, excited dorkiness of ME1's liara as opposed to making her "darker" and apparently to the developers, "cooler" and probably "sexier."

I think <i>really</I> the bottom line for the turn for the worse in this series is that it started trying to be cool, and it has no idea what that is and they just assume it's dark grimness. I really miss the dorky innocent star treky feel of the first game.

TLDR

MusicMan4
01-25-2013, 07:13 PM
i'm a dark/demons souls fanatic
you'd be insane to pass on them

MusicMan4
01-25-2013, 07:14 PM
all i really care about coming out is the new monosoft game for wii u and shin megami tensi x fire emblem

and i guess ni no kuni but i can't afford it

Order 66
01-25-2013, 07:32 PM
i was going to hold off on gushing about it, because i didn't want to fall victim to the hipster hype, but i just finished hotline miami and it is without a doubt my game of the year. really is brilliant on just about every level.

probably the soundtrack of the forever too
http://soundcloud.com/devolverdigital/sets/hotline-miami-official

Order 66
01-25-2013, 07:36 PM
and i guess ni no kuni but i can't afford it

i've been meaning to get a ps3 mostly for its blu ray player but couldnt muster the motivation to go out and get one.. but seeing that game sealed the deal. still hurting from the holidays so it'll have to wait a month or two though

Trotskilicious
01-25-2013, 08:17 PM
are there game hipsters now

Order 66
01-25-2013, 08:27 PM
i guess 'hipster' is the wrong word.. but whatever you'd call the pc/indie elite snobs

Trotskilicious
01-25-2013, 08:35 PM
pc snobs are only annoying because they have the disposable income to sink into computers. the rest of us shlubs have to make do with consoles.

Order 66
01-25-2013, 09:22 PM
i have a high-end gaming PC but prefer consoles because playing on PC is such a pain in the ass. the hardest stage in hotline miami for example would crash every time i reached its end, and there's no excuse seeing as to how this thing can handle skyrim and far cry 3. normally i would have quit then and there but the game was so good i kept playing until i could beat the stage quick enough before the crash

really tempting to get bioshock infinite on PC. it would look godly on this thing but i just don't want to risk it. i'm playing it safe with 360

Mooney
01-25-2013, 10:25 PM
pc snobs are only annoying because they have the disposable income to sink into computers. the rest of us shlubs have to make do with consoles.

pc gamers are annoying because they shit all over anyone who decides for whatever reason that they'd rather play games on a console.

i built a pc for around $400 a year and a half ago that can run circles around a ps3/xbox 360. i've since added a second video card and some extra cooling for overclocking to bring it around $600 total. i pirate half my games, so there is a few hundred dollars in savings in that respect. so yeah, it's not necessarily a money thing - i imagine when the next consoles come out if they cost ~$500 initially you could easily build a computer that could outperform them.

but yeah, sometimes i'd much rather just sit on a couch with a controller.

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 02:20 AM
well it's also the product as it stands, you don't have to keep plugging shit into it to make games work you know?

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 02:22 AM
also can i say how much i hate DLC, feels like most of the time it's cut content they work on after the game is released and then plug it back into the game for 10-15 extra bucks. Fuck you.

there's a fine line too, they started it with expansion packs but i still don't quite understand why, say, Civ 4 which is a better game with all the expansion packs in it didn't have that stuff in the first place. the Day 1 DLC phenomenon is great to some and terrible to people who have functioning rational minds, since it completely destroys the idea that this isn't new content, it's strategically withheld content that was pruned from the game itself so they could milk another 10-15 bucks out of the consumer. The consumer doesn't have to buy it but unfortunately when you're dealing with nerds they just have this completionist mindset that game corps really take advantage of.

Mooney
01-26-2013, 10:29 AM
also can i say how much i hate DLC, feels like most of the time it's cut content they work on after the game is released and then plug it back into the game for 10-15 extra bucks. Fuck you.

DLC used to be often included right on the original disc at release, and then only unlocked when you paid for the code. that is absolute bullshit.

but what drives me more nuts, is all these pre-order bonuses which actually affect gameplay and give competitive advantages. some games have exclusive bonuses from each retailer, so if you want to actually own the entire game when it is released you would have to buy it four or five times.

Mooney
01-26-2013, 11:44 AM
http://ca.ign.com/wikis/bioshock-infinite/Pre-Order_Bonuses

Banana
01-26-2013, 11:58 AM
Probably going to go buy the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD remake combo later for ps3. Noticed it's only $20 bucks. I got about halfway through SotC on PS2 before I eventually stopped playing. Never played Ico. Not sure which one to start with when I buy this.



To anyone that has played both, which is better?

Order 66
01-26-2013, 12:03 PM
that's another thing i'm going to get when i get a ps3. i never played ico but it is a classic

the one thing that held sotc back for me was you could tell it was meant for HD but they released it for ps2 anyway because it had a bigger user base or whatever. so i can't wait to experience it in its full effect.. game really is something else

MusicMan4
01-26-2013, 12:21 PM
i've been meaning to get a ps3 mostly for its blu ray player but couldnt muster the motivation to go out and get one.. but seeing that game sealed the deal. still hurting from the holidays so it'll have to wait a month or two though

demons souls is a ps3 exclusive too
there is your other reason

but you have to get a wii u also so please budget wisely

MusicMan4
01-26-2013, 12:24 PM
i have a high-end gaming PC

<img src="http://boston.com/community/blogs/rock_the_schoolhouse/monopoly-man-231x300.jpg">

Order 66
01-26-2013, 12:33 PM
i got it as a gift. pretty sure i couldn't afford whatever my parents paid for it unless i quit going out to eat for several months or something

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 01:53 PM
DLC used to be often included right on the original disc at release, and then only unlocked when you paid for the code. that is absolute bullshit.

but what drives me more nuts, is all these pre-order bonuses which actually affect gameplay and give competitive advantages. some games have exclusive bonuses from each retailer, so if you want to actually own the entire game when it is released you would have to buy it four or five times.

oh i know, the amount of shit that mass effect has that's exclusive to dr. pepper bottle cap codes and other cross promotional horseshit is nauseating

the entire pre order bonus is annoying. i pre ordered nba 2k13 because i wanted it, not because i got to unlock the all star weekend mini games. I mean why are you keeping that away from consumers, it's just a three point and dunk mini game. But now it sucks up space on my XBOX HD.

killtrocity
01-26-2013, 02:02 PM
also can i say how much i hate DLC, feels like most of the time it's cut content they work on after the game is released and then plug it back into the game for 10-15 extra bucks. Fuck you.


Yeah Mass Effect 2 and 3 were notorious for this - DLC is generally annoying but only reaches offensive levels when the cut content is integral to the story (like Leviathan in ME3)

Probably going to go buy the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD remake combo later for ps3. Noticed it's only $20 bucks. I got about halfway through SotC on PS2 before I eventually stopped playing. Never played Ico. Not sure which one to start with when I buy this.



To anyone that has played both, which is better?

I found Shadow pretty captivating whereas Ico left me rather bored and I never finished it (not that it's a bad game)

DLC used to be often included right on the original disc at release, and then only unlocked when you paid for the code. that is absolute bullshit.

but what drives me more nuts, is all these pre-order bonuses which actually affect gameplay and give competitive advantages. some games have exclusive bonuses from each retailer, so if you want to actually own the entire game when it is released you would have to buy it four or five times.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMbMZcoSBKdfJ_fTRtQtJDcMHrFXXMx _VYNVzbmNChpb01GLa8Mw

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 02:04 PM
did S K Y R I M have that kind of shit, something tells me it didn't.

I do know Fallout NV had a bunch of shit like weapons packs. Mass Effect has this too. Pay 5 bucks and you get new armor and guns. People actually buy this crap. Fallout NV had these weapons packs like the gun runner's arsenal and stuff, and it just loads you up with a whole bunch of weapons from the start, which i think is cornball and i usually just drop all of them on the ground in goodsprings when i start because getting both packs immediately on the ultimate edition will probably exceed your carry weight.

killtrocity
01-26-2013, 02:09 PM
Yeah Bethesda is hit or miss but they've had some excellent DLC... Oblivion Horse Armor was the original poster child for bad DLC. $6 for horse armor. But then Oblivon also had Shivering Isles which is what DLC should be.

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 02:11 PM
Yeah Mass Effect 2 and 3 were notorious for this - DLC is generally annoying but only reaches offensive levels when the cut content is integral to the story (like Leviathan in ME3)

yeah if operation overlord didn't scream "this was cut" i dunno what does. I mean it's okay but shit man, I just had some spare points and got it. The Shadow Broker DLC was pretty good but then again why was it DLC? Don't even get me started on Arrival, they make it sound like it had some kind of impact on 3 and it's just a line that Anderson says at the start and it wasn't even good beyond having the single hardest part of the game and only because it's JUST shep and you have to face like 10 dudes AND a YMIR mech by yourself. Fuck you. They have another one coming for ME3 still. I mean I bought a bunch of this stuff because someone gave me their ME3 copy but I don't like having to pay for a character.

Mass Effect 2 was irritating in this regard too, the Kasumi DLC was fun and had some challenge to it but the only thing you get out of it is a smarmy ninja and the best submachine gun in the game. and why am i paying for this gun? it's not REAL. I mean it makes playing vanguard easier since you have a reliable middle range bullet hose before you get to pick up an assault rifle. But seriously why are they squeezing people for this and why are consumers falling for it? I never bought any of the multitude of gun and armor packs for ME2 or 3 because for fuck's sake it's not real merchandise.

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 02:15 PM
i think wow really opened my eyes to the level of nerdy completionism at work. they would have these brain numbing tasks that you would repeat over and over again just so you can get a seasonal shirt top or something and everyone was still doing it even though it was basically work because it wasn't fun and was boring and the gamers on there are like "Well you gotta work at it" and it's like HOLY SHIT DON'T WORK AT WOW, YOU PLAY IT, IT'S NOT WORK.

Order 66
01-26-2013, 02:23 PM
did S K Y R I M have that kind of shit, something tells me it didn't.



skyrim has been really good about DLC. they could've been really ridiculous about it considering the type of game it is but they decided early on any DLC would be more like an expansion pack

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 02:31 PM
yeah no promo codes and shit to unlock a daedric sword from the start if you preordered it from gamestop right

i mean there had to be a certain confidence at bethesda that they were making a game changer, it's hard not to imagine they ever thought for a second this game would tank. it's too well made to ever think that. I mean oblivion wasn't even really that good and it sold like hotcakes and SKYRIM just makes it look like a red headed stepchild with a finger in his nose.

besides, i don't know what "ZeniMax Media" is, but it seems like Bethesda is pretty much self contained whereas Electronic Arts owns Mass Effect and BioWare and they are notorious corporate whores. I would like to think that if BioWare was still under "Microsoft Studios" which was the publisher of the first game, there wouldn't be all this high concept cross promotions that Electronic Arts is so fond of. I mean EA really is a shitheap of a publisher. Definitely taking the video game industry to unpleasant new lows. If Blizzard wasn't trying out do them at every step they would be the industry leader in total douchery.

killtrocity
01-26-2013, 04:02 PM
Yeah, EA gets a lot of hate but it's really deserved. Changing Mass Effect to appeal to a wider audience, in terms of gameplay mechanics, worked out for the better but in the case of Dragon Age II it really destroyed what made the first game good.

I'm also pretty damned sure that the inclusion of multiplayer in ME3 was forced by EA. Multiplayer is a continuing source of revenue and that is EA's model. Milk players for more cash after they buy the game (in many cases make them pay for features which Bioware could have included at launch). Bioware has always been first and foremost a developer of quality single-player RPGs. Multiplayer leeched resources away from the single player experience so that EA could appeal to the COD market.

The first DLC I ever played was for KOTOR and it was free. It was a really tiny little thing where you could get different colored lightsabers via an extra merchant on some space station, but nowadays they'd charge $5.99 for that shit. It was fan service without the monetary incentive.

Also: THQ and Activision just went under. Concentration and centralization of capital, yo.

Trotskilicious
01-26-2013, 06:08 PM
seems people are enjoying ME multiplayer and single player...i dunno i think a lot of this bitching about it is unwarranted and a very vocal minority of people who invested too much in what was already pulpy sci-fi

Order 66
01-28-2013, 12:51 PM
new bio infinite 'trailer'

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V8FUZTNpfhc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Trotskilicious
01-28-2013, 02:37 PM
i just found this today about Mass Effect 3, it's pretty good and presented in a very absurdist way and the ensuing thread is also worth reading some of. I responded to it for no reason, if you click "newest" you can read my transcendent brilliance if you wish.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/08/06/film-crit-hulk-smash-a-few-words-on-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3/#comment-611379099

YOU ASKED HULK TO RAIL AGAINST SOMETHING THAT OFFERS GORGEOUS STORYTELLING, SO REALLY YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT IT WAS BAD AT VIDEO GAME INDULGENCE. SO HULK JUST HAS TO SURMISE THAT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY WANT STORIES AFTER ALL. PERHAPS YOU WANT TO BE LIKE THE PERSON IN THE VIDEO ABOVE, SCREAMING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE "OWED" LIKE SOME SELFISH MALCONTENT. YOU WANT TO BE INDULGED. YOU WANT OPTIONS. YOU WANT GLUTTONY. WE HAVE A WORD FOR THAT KIND OF VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT AND IT'S CALLED PORNOGRAPHY. AND IT'S PERFECT AT SATISFYING YOUR EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL IMPULSES SO HAVE AT IT.

Trotskilicious
01-28-2013, 02:42 PM
new bio infinite 'trailer'

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V8FUZTNpfhc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

hrnggg fapfapfapfapfapfap

Raskolnikov
01-29-2013, 04:40 PM
To derail all conversation in this thread - anybody like me still (confusingly) addicted to Diablo 3? I'm still in full on addiction mode with that one.

Tchocky
01-29-2013, 05:45 PM
i think wow really opened my eyes to the level of nerdy completionism at work. they would have these brain numbing tasks that you would repeat over and over again just so you can get a seasonal shirt top or something and everyone was still doing it even though it was basically work because it wasn't fun and was boring and the gamers on there are like "Well you gotta work at it" and it's like HOLY SHIT DON'T WORK AT WOW, YOU PLAY IT, IT'S NOT WORK.

MMOs can easily take up as much time as a full-time job in RL does. That's probably why I never got into them. The amount of time it takes to get into them and become really good at them is so impractical unless you're a teenager or a college student. My friend and his wife played WOW obsessively throughout college and grad school until they both got real jobs. That, combined with the overall lameness of Mists of Pandaria (as well as the realization that their guild had over time been taken over by a bunch of annoying high schoolers) killed their interest in the game.

Trotskilicious
01-29-2013, 07:47 PM
really an expansion pack featuring shaolin pandas was lame???

Tchocky
01-29-2013, 07:51 PM
really an expansion pack featuring shaolin pandas was lame???

Shocker, huh?

bardy
01-30-2013, 01:47 PM
MMOs can easily take up as much time as a full-time job in RL does. That's probably why I never got into them. The amount of time it takes to get into them and become really good at them is so impractical unless you're a teenager or a college student. My friend and his wife played WOW obsessively throughout college and grad school until they both got real jobs. That, combined with the overall lameness of Mists of Pandaria (as well as the realization that their guild had over time been taken over by a bunch of annoying high schoolers) killed their interest in the game.

I still play WoW, somewhat competitively, I guess. (Top 100 US) It takes up my evenings during the week... Tues-Thursday from 7pm - 10pm. Maybe an extra night if we're trying to kill something.

I don't really play outside of those time periods anymore. I don't really "get" the people that get their giggles at getting all the pets or mounts or whatever. I have one character at max level and that's about all I have time to pay attention to. I always consider trying to level something else up but then I remember how much I hated leveling. I like end-game content; I like the "team" aspect of getting a group of people together to kill something. I like that everyone has different tasks to do in order for the whole group to succeed. Although it can be really frustrating when one person fucks it up for everyone else.

Raskolnikov
01-30-2013, 02:26 PM
Totally bypassed WOW - but doesn't surprise me that folks are still way into it. I get it, and can't crap on them being the Diablo 3 guy that I am.

It really is unreal how much time these games take. I could play Diablo 3 for 60 hours a week and still be nowhere near maxed out on that thing.

Trotskilicious
01-30-2013, 04:15 PM
I still play WoW, somewhat competitively, I guess. (Top 100 US) It takes up my evenings during the week... Tues-Thursday from 7pm - 10pm. Maybe an extra night if we're trying to kill something.

I don't really play outside of those time periods anymore. I don't really "get" the people that get their giggles at getting all the pets or mounts or whatever. I have one character at max level and that's about all I have time to pay attention to. I always consider trying to level something else up but then I remember how much I hated leveling. I like end-game content; I like the "team" aspect of getting a group of people together to kill something. I like that everyone has different tasks to do in order for the whole group to succeed. Although it can be really frustrating when one person fucks it up for everyone else.

man i remember when you started

bardy
01-30-2013, 04:20 PM
man i remember when you started

Yeah I know, it seems like forever ago. I remember Kristin and I leveling up together.

I ended up actually being pretty good at the game!

I'm sure I'll quit at some point, I have been getting progressively more bored with everything lately. But it's a hobby and it fills a chunk of my time that would otherwise be spent watching TV or something equally slob-worthy. I wish I had a hobby that was less embarrassing, though.

Trotskilicious
01-30-2013, 04:31 PM
i dunno bardy it's not really any different than slobby tv watching

i mean it's more interactive but

Sonic Johnny
01-30-2013, 05:09 PM
I started playing Borderlands 2 last week. There are a few nice tweaks to the original (especially playing as the sniper/assassin character, the balance feels a lot better) but ultimately it feels like a bit of a re-tread of the first one. That said, it still has all the charm and humor that I liked about the first game, and te combat options remain varied enough to keep it interesting. Not bad but feels like a rush job sequel.

Order 66
01-30-2013, 05:44 PM
i'm going to get it when its on sale on steam or something. i'm looking for something my pc can't handle just for shits and giggles and its looking like that on highest settings will do the trick. never played the first so i wont care if theyre too similar

Sonic Johnny
01-30-2013, 06:00 PM
If you haven't played it before I'd say just jump straight into the second one - there might e some backstory you won't get but it's pretty irrelevant anyway. Play it with friends f you can - co-op with one player from each of the 4 character classes is the pinnacle f the borderlands experience.

Tchocky
01-30-2013, 06:37 PM
new bio infinite 'trailer'

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V8FUZTNpfhc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Holy shit...

Trotskilicious
02-03-2013, 12:03 AM
just about to move into the third act of Mass Effect 3 and i don't care how stupid the ending is this game is great. Nerds SUCK

killtrocity
02-03-2013, 12:26 AM
haha wait, you haven't finished it?? Did you watch the ending on youtube or something?

Trotskilicious
02-03-2013, 12:50 AM
yes

Trotskilicious
02-03-2013, 12:51 AM
i am fascinated by the outrage

Trotskilicious
02-04-2013, 06:46 AM
finally finished my epic marse efferct trilogy playthru

the ending is actually glorious ambiguity, i don't have the EC wanted to see what all the fuss is about. Ambiguity, not being able to get the ace superstar megawin. It tricked people into thinking it was Star Wars and it was more ambiguous than that, like *good* sci-fi should be. It's about the future and some of it is weird and scary to think about. Yeah, the McGuffin Device is powered by the Deus Ex Machina but you know it's not that big a deal. The best part is that most of the bitching isn't even over using things like that it's because nothing is explained. I like how people complain about what happened to the squad you took on the final mission...they're fuckin dead I gather, especially since I read that your "most favored team mate" would leave the crashed normandy and I got Liara even though there was only maybe once or twice I didn't take Garrus with me (took Kaidan and Garrus because I was pretty sure the whole squad would die). But you don't see their bodies so...what's stopping you from creating your own narrative. I can see that it was "rushed" and wasn't quite finished but was still throroughly enjoyable and gigantic. The idea that 180 hours of gameplay is ruined irrevocably by 5 minutes at the end is so outrageously silly I just can't even broach it. For people who suffered through terrible star wars prequels and matrix sequels to say that...makes me wonder if this is just the new thing to moan about. Yeah there were plot holes and space magic but there have always been plot holes and space magic in this game, Shepard got revived after being spaced. She was totally fuckin dead. That is <i>silly</I> but I went with it because it was fun and I enjoyed it.

The endings as presented raise a lot of tricky philosophical questions and I appreciate that a game attempted to do such a thing, even if part of their fan base is just not curious or imaginitive enough or whatever it is to actually think about this stuff. In fact, I felt there were a lot of junctures in the game where I was disappointed in not having transhumanist conversations with Engineer Adams or indulge EDI's tough philosophical quandries, I kind of feel like in that regard perhaps it was rushed but they also may have thought that too much philosophy would bog the narrative down, but the touches, especially Adams' surprising turn as a transhumanist, were nice and set up the ending well.

I did get a fair amount of bugs at the end which was lol worthy, like during the love scene at the end liara basically spazzed and didn't actually "read" the lines. and the number of times they say "this is it" throughout the whole game was amusing, Kai Leng is retarded especially considering how easy he is to beat, and i can understand why people are disappointed not to see tali's face especially since she takes off her helmet on rannoch, I mean I didn't understand that. there were some super corny moments but i mean i've always induldged this series in spite of the corn ball because there are truly inspired things that redeem it like Mordin and Legion, or even small bits when my shep told joker to shut up after thessia and then he was mad at her and was all business and rank until she apologized, or running into Tali and Garrus embracing (even though it's implied that he was suckin on her helmet which is strange but whatevs it warmed my black heart), or the fact that one of my least favorite actors freddy prinze jr was actually convincing for once in his life playing a person he could never actually play in real life, make it more than the sum of its parts.

a- will play again

Order 66
02-10-2013, 10:14 AM
i've had a copy of new super mario bros 2 lying on my dresser since last summer so i finally dusted off my 3DS to play it... and it is probably the laziest game i have ever played. they took every asset from the the wii mario bros and just dumped it into this game. its almost embarassing

that said, i can tell the developers were most influenced by mario 3 (raccoon mario is back! zomgz) and there's some good hard-as-nails platforming. so if you're looking for something to play on your 3DS and have $30 to burn i (reluctantly) recommend it. i think you can download it through eshop too, you don't have to buy a physical copy

ChristHimself!
02-13-2013, 08:47 AM
im just here to say hotline miami and mark of the ninja were 2 of the best games of 2012.

Order 66
02-13-2013, 08:54 AM
hotline miami represent. i'm already kind of sick of it though i replayed it so many times

they were working on DLC but it got so expansive they went ahead and made it a sequel. i hope it's out by the end of the year.. level editors would be cool too

Order 66
02-15-2013, 12:35 PM
bio infinite mockumentary part deux. one month and a half to go...

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02-15-2013, 01:03 PM
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Toby
02-15-2013, 03:04 PM
I got ZombiU the other day.

Order 66
02-16-2013, 10:34 PM
lastnight i stayed at home and was really bored, which is inexcusable since my game backlog is atrocious. probably at least 20 games to choose from that i hardly touched. .. but for whatever reason i couldn't bring myself to play any.

so i installed morrowind and played it without mods. and this is coming after i've been playing oblivion fully modded.. i'm enjoying this waaaay more than oblivion :erm: .. just really amazing how better realized the world is, how well everything flows- no zooming into people's faces when they talk. the 'main quest' creeps up on you really subtly, doesn't cram 'u r the chosen one' tropes down your throat. that said the dice roll combat sucks and the quest system obvs needed working

but i'm just in awe of how well this game aged. i think i'm going to drop everything and play this and the expansions until bioshock infinite. definitely quenches my desire for something open world that isn't skyrim. thought oblivion modded would do that but no dice

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 10:45 PM
gave up on baldurgating already huh

Order 66
02-16-2013, 10:53 PM
I played it last night and quit at the friendly arms inn (I think that's what it was).. I just couldn't get over the isometric view.. but keep in mind I'm still sort of new to western rpgs. Kind of funny because thinking man I wish this was 3rd person is what prompted me to install morrowind.

Still going to get around to it, along with planescape, icewind dale and neverwinter nights. I really want to get into these types of games but its going to take awhile.. they're kind of esoteric

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 10:57 PM
think i'm gonna quit playing ocarina of time 3d

fuck all that running back and forth. DATED

(never played the original btw)

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 10:58 PM
you haven't even started the game yet

esoteric wtf

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:02 PM
how story-driven is skyrim? and is the console version playable? i've had my mac for over three years and the last game i played on it was portal 2, which it kind of struggled with

Order 66
02-16-2013, 11:03 PM
yeah i know. i have the attention span of a gnat

are you playing the enhanced edition by any chance?

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 11:05 PM
no i didn't really see the point of it, i got bg 1 & 2 from gog for 20 bucks and there's a mod that imports bg1 into the bg 2 engine so that it plays like one big ass game so. bgee is 20 bucks for one game, and the main feature that i could see was that it uses the bg2 engine. i mean when you have nerds that did that for free why bother.

i haven't played bg1 since probably high school, i lost the discs or something. i actually own and have played bg2 several times but my disc drive doesn't work any more so i just said fuck it

Order 66
02-16-2013, 11:05 PM
how story-driven is skyrim? and is the console version playable? i've had my mac for over three years and the last game i played on it was portal 2, which it kind of struggled with

its as story driven as you want it to be. either follow the main quest or just wander off and pretty much do whatever you want.

360 version is fine despite a crash here and there. ps3 version was broken but i'd imagine they've fixed it by now

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 11:07 PM
how story-driven is skyrim?

uhhh well i mean...there are little stories and quests you do but mostly it's about exploring the open world. it's not a very plot heavy game like say final fantasy or mass effect by any means.

it's got max von sydow in it tho

and is the console version playable?

i dunno what this means

Sonic Johnny
02-16-2013, 11:08 PM
in all seriousness i have been on a major Tetris kick this week

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:21 PM
uhhh well i mean...there are little stories and quests you do but mostly it's about exploring the open world. it's not a very plot heavy game like say final fantasy or mass effect by any means.

it's got max von sydow in it tho
ah, i'll probably give it a miss then. anything that asks for dozens of hours needs a decent, constantly developing plot or i'm pretty much guaranteed to get bored and give up after a few evenings

i dunno what this means
like, how well does the control scheme map to a console gamepad

the last game i played that obviously started out as a PC title was dragon age and playing it on ps3 was just a huge pain in the ass

Sonic Johnny
02-16-2013, 11:27 PM
Poorly executed console ports are the worst. Anyone ever play Half-Life for Playstation? Managing to make Half-Life suck is a pretty big effort.

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 11:28 PM
if you think it's that necessary to have a constantly developing plot or w/e have you tried mass effect

i mean skyrim has several storylines, i just think that the open world aspect is more engaging

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:29 PM
if you think it's that necessary to have a constantly developing plot or w/e have you tried mass effect

no, i haven't. that's made by the people that made dragon age, right? did you play those on a console?

Order 66
02-16-2013, 11:29 PM
fwiw it is probably the most plot-heavy elder scrolls. i know that doesn't mean much, but it starts with an opening cinematic and you're thrown into a save-the-world scenario that continues throughout the game's narrative.

and that narrative is basically DRAGONS, DUDE! ... admittedly nothing compelling. but the world evolves with your actions so there is narrative to be had.

not to mention the side stories... the mage's college is my favorite. but even then the story is basically MAGIC, DUDE

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 11:33 PM
no, i haven't. that's made by the people that made dragon age, right? did you play those on a console?

yes, i play all new games on consoles. it would be easier to use the super powers via a keyboard but its not unmanageable. though i'm not sure i'd reccomend playing the first game on console, it's incredibly clunky. the second and third i think are made with consoles in mind.

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:37 PM
is it necessary to play the first in order to enjoy the second and third ones? or could i just, say, read a wikipedia synopsis of the plot and jump into one of the sequels?

Trotskilicious
02-16-2013, 11:40 PM
yeah, but still...first one probably has the tightest plot so i'm torn

granted if you power through me1 it'll take probably ~ 20 hours

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:44 PM
how long would it take to do it "normally"?

edit: mass effect must be pretty old now, maybe there's a mac version my computer will run?

double edit: nope

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:47 PM
next question: are the stories in these games as good as a great sci-fi novel you can name?

Luke de Spa
02-16-2013, 11:53 PM
the asari, a race of all female unisexual aliens which closely resemble blue-skinned human females
yeahhhhh i can see where this is going

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 12:05 AM
for the most part yes, i've written extensive blah blah blah reviews of them but the best bits are probably as good as anything STTNG has done, probably a lot of sci-fi movies, sci-fi anime and a fair shake of books. it manages to merge a lot of disparate forms of sci-fi into a cohesive whole. it's pretty pulpy/soapy though, but i favor that.

there is a fair amount of "fan service" from 2 onward (Miranda) so you may be annoyed by that i'm not sure. it's not anything that much worse than lulu in final fantasy x. there is an (optional) sex scene in 1 but it's not necessarily that tacky. honestly i'd say it's probably most comparable to ghost in the shell for its combo of thought provoking science fiction and unfortunate lowest common denominator male id pandering but the romances are entirely optional.

i think it's better if you play as a female shepard because since they wrote the part to be gender non specific, trending towards masculine, she is kind of awesome in that regard and the voice actress is really quite convincing

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 12:06 AM
yeahhhhh i can see where this is going

yeah, like i said

i actually kind of got over the asari thing

female shep makes up for a lot

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 12:27 AM
well i just read the plot synopses for the first two games and it doesn't sound like my thing, tbh

i don't really go in for aliens in sci-fi unless they're very obviously not human (i.e. not star trek aliens – y'know, humanoid, a bit more emotional/rational + facial prosthetics)

i should probably just stick to reading novels. and trying to make things yeah yeah

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 12:27 AM
are you still writing, t-lish?

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 12:30 AM
yeap, lots of spare time as you know

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 12:38 AM
what kind of stuff?

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 12:41 AM
science fiction, doing a lot of reading on science/futurism/technological advancements/etc lately though because i think i'm probably not knowledgeable enough but is there ever such a thing anyway

i feel i should probably just try to write regular short stories though and work my way up

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 12:47 AM
that's what i thought too, but then i thought well, everyone seems to recommend just diving in and doing what you want and fixing it up later. so i'm trying to do that

(i'm working on a near-future sort-of-sci-fi novel at the moment. i know exactly jack shit about writing fiction but i'm doing it anyway)

what's your stuff about? if you want to talk about it that is

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 12:49 AM
the short stories thing seems to be Old Advice – used to make sense, you'd build a name for yourself in genre magazines etc., make things easier for yourself once you're trying to pitch long-form to an editor/publisher – but i don't think that applies any more aside from the craft side of things. still seems to me as though, well, if you want to write novels, just start writing novels and keep going until you get good at it

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 01:03 AM
yeah i guess that's true and if it's polished enough i always thought i could just upload it weekly to a blog or something or just fish it out to publishers, there's plenty around...i mean there's a lot of opprotunity with the internet to get it "out there" but people looking at it is another matter entirely, and making a living at it...well that's even yet another thing

its basically kind of a mash up cyberpunk, gangs of new york and superheroes. it's set in a hypercity with a space elevator, but there's this kind of ring that while the central city seems technologically advanced and fabulously wealthy, as you move outwards it's like going back in time, so the suburban slums are practically 19th century hovels. most of it is of course about economic inequality, free market capitalism, and cultural impact of technological shifts. i want to play around with gene splicing, cybernetics, maybe AIs and definitely want to incorporate the social internet aspect, as well as how information on everyone is available it takes specialists to actually <I>find</I> it. there's also a kernel of an idea about ANCIENT ALIENS that i want to play around just to subvert religion in general (and have space magic). but then i think i might be encouraging that mularkey by actually going through with it.

the story as it goes is about this former merc that comes back to the city and attempts to take control of some of the neighborhoods in the suburbs in the interests of law & order and redeem herself after her ruthless pursuit of the bottom line. whereas the city as it stands is laissez-faire, but under threat of the central security firm whenever it feels necessary to knock back the competition. it's all a rather confusing mess so far. i really want to attempt to avoid a lot of tropes but sometimes its inevitable.

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 01:10 AM
that sounds pretty awesome. i'd read it. the hints-of-ancient-aliens-thing can actually work quite well – have you read richard morgan's takeshi kovacs novels?

tropes are fine so long as they're played with/criticised a bit imho

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 01:27 AM
yeah i think i'm critical enough to recognize them and nonconformist enough to subvert them

i'm already pretty fond of my heroine, she's not one of those tired sex bomb warrior babes she's deliberately androgynous, mean, violent and exceptionally clever. but i also don't want to make her *male* which is a fine line to walk sometimes, especially since obviously i cannot conceive of what it is to be a woman. i just don't want yet another epic story about the white man saving the universe. i want to make sure that even though she's doing what seems to be the right thing her methods are always suspect and her motives are not entirely clear. I want a bit of a Joan of Arc angle for the first part, complete with malfunctions of her cybernetic brain that manifest as visions of destiny and then proceed to turn her into napoleon and robespierre (not sure why it's all french).

i also made a rule about having only three white protagonists (all step-siblings) and a varied ethnic cast. the future in my estimation is predominantly populated by chinese and indians, to the point where even the economic situation is controlled predominantly by non-whites. China Corp.

slunken
02-17-2013, 01:40 AM
i decided a couple weeks ago to turn cops comic into a full-length (or at least regular) thing with a quasi sci-fi edge. although i might change the title to reality comics. i want to introduce a futuristic world (mainly two areas - a slick ultra city and a bombed out post apoc ghetto) but still have the "main characters" be very classic kind of like a cop buddy movie where one of the cops is maybe a dog a la turner and hooch. so its introducing a neutered idealized image of police protection (and comedy!) into a hyper-real shitstorm of a harsh modern world. and there is something futuristic to do with dreams happening too and how that works adversely to reality.

maybe. still in the planning stages. or i might just start going with it.

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 01:46 AM
yeah i think i'm critical enough to recognize them and nonconformist enough to subvert them [snip]

that definitely sounds like my cup of tea. how far through are you?

edit: it's cool that you're going for a non-white-dude approach. do you have non-white-dude test readers? (or will you, if you're not that far along?)

i'm just getting started on mine, having finally parked/ditched the comic fantasy i started working on in 2006 (the more i wrote, the less comic it got, and the more frustrated i got with ripping out the more whimsical elements to fit)

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 01:54 AM
mine sprawls relentlessly with no real narrative focus so i can't even say how far i'm through it because so much of it is plot skeletons, notes, partial scenes, ideas, and etc

i'm not sure why but i have this block about thinking my plots aren't interesting or getting hung up with describing every damn detail of a particular neighborhood or running into a logical problem that, considering popular culture in general, only i'm going to ever notice

and i definitely will want the input of women, and i know a couple that already think it sounds great

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 01:55 AM
one of the cops is maybe a dog a la turner and hooch

uplifted genetically modified dogman

Trotskilicious
02-17-2013, 01:56 AM
trapped between dogness and personness

my story has a gorilla/man

Luke de Spa
02-17-2013, 02:03 AM
i'm not sure why but i have this block about thinking my plots aren't interesting or getting hung up with describing every damn detail of a particular neighborhood or running into a logical problem that, considering popular culture in general, only i'm going to ever notice

if i were to approach this in my day job, as a designer, my first inclination would to be pretty ruthlessly utilitarian about it. basically, how sophisticated does your explanation of something need to be in order for your target audience to not question it too much?

first question to be answered: what's your target audience?

etc. etc.

i can't speak for how successful this approach would be for writing fiction but it certainly has helped me when doing product development or designing interfaces. for a given audience, "acceptable fidelity" ultimately is more important than (a more abstract) "high fidelity", essentially

slunken
02-17-2013, 02:49 AM
uplifted genetically modified dogman

pretty much

mine sprawls relentlessly with no real narrative focus so i can't even say how far i'm through it because so much of it is plot skeletons, notes, partial scenes, ideas, and etc

i'm not sure why...

i think this can be part of the fun. i think of mine (and handle mine) basically as very short stories that all have an over-arcing theme. some of it may be very related to the main theme but some of it may just be wallpaper and tone. either way its constructing a universe.

slunken
02-17-2013, 02:50 AM
first question to be answered: what's your target audience?



personally i stifle myself if i think about this too much

slunken
02-17-2013, 02:50 AM
that is a downfall, i realize

slunken
02-17-2013, 02:52 AM
trapped between dogness and personness

my story has a gorilla/man

so far i've just been playing with the idea that sometimes he's just a regular dog but sometimes he does human cop things like arrest people.

all my bad guys look like balding late-30s office workers so far :erm:

Tchocky
02-18-2013, 01:11 PM
Spent a night getting the DLC episodes for Mass Effect 3, and then my PS3 yellow-lighted right after I started playing the damn game. :( Gonna be out of commission for a bit; getting it serviced later this week.

I never played any of the Mass Effect games until the Trilogy box set came out because (until recently) I didn't have a computer that was good at running games and I don't have an Xbox. I wanted to play through the whole series beginning to end, but I couldn't until the box set came out cos the first game was never released on the PS3 until then. Totally worth the wait though. I think Bioshock was the last game that I enjoyed this much.

The first game was a good blueprint, though the whole was definitely better than the sum of its parts. A slow start, cookie-cutter sidequests, driving around planets in the Mako (way to pad the game out, BioWare), a cluttered inventory system, buggy gameplay (Fun drinking game: every time the sound cuts out while you're playing ME1, take a shot), hit-and-miss shooting mechanics...I almost gave up on the game fairly early on; found myself asking "What was all the hype about?" about a quarter of the way in. I'm glad I stuck with it, though. The story really picks up after you rescue Liara, and the last third or so of the game was excellent.

ME2, aside from the godawful and boring probing planets crap, trimmed the fat and streamlined the game, making it much more enjoyable to play. Far less buggy, better voice acting, better combat, and although the core plot itself wasn't as good as the core plot of ME1, I think the characters in the ME2 were a little more interesting (I did miss Liara and Wrex, though; Lair of the Shadow Broker FTW). Loved Jack, Garrus, Mordin, and Tali.

The part in ME2 where you get Shepard drunk on the Citadel might be the first time a video game has ever made me LOL:

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The little I've had a chance to play in ME3 makes me think it's gonna be better than the first two put together. And Liara's back! Yay!

Although I kinda know what happens at the end of ME3, I'm reserving judgment on the ending until I actually get a chance to play it.

Tchocky
02-18-2013, 01:15 PM
Also...

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Sonic Johnny
05-14-2013, 01:29 AM
So I finally got back on the Xbox bandwagon today, four years after my last machine got RROD'd. Came with Forza 4 (blah), Halo 10th Anniversary (meh), Mass Effect 3 (i'm hesitant to start it cause I never played any of the other games - should I play it on its own or go from the start later?), RAGE (which I played on PC and was pretty nonplussed by), Just Cause 2 (YES!), and Skyrim (which I am choosing not to play cause I lost like 40 hours of my life to it on PC). Got a list of a few titles I'm definitely going to pick up (Assassin's Creed 3, Dishonoured, NBA13, Bioshock Infinite) - any other recommendations?

Order 66
05-14-2013, 01:39 AM
i know you said youre getting bio infinite but you'll definitely want to get it before somebody spoils it. i just finished my 3rd playthrough... one of the greatest experiences i've ever had, and i'm not just talking about "gaming".

as for other stuff... i dunno. i'm more of a PC gamer these days. Spec Ops: the Line is something i'm playing right now... gameplay wise its nothing special but it has a really interesting story. its basically apocolypse now/heart of darkenss in Dubai. one of the most mindfuck-ish games i've played. dunno how it looks on 360 though... far cry 3 was alright but i regret paying full price for it.... i notice you haven't mentioned fallout: new vegas. if you've played skyrim i'm guessing you've played new vegas. but in case you haven;t, you'll definitely want to play that

oh yeah and sleeping dogs was fun

Sonic Johnny
05-14-2013, 01:56 AM
I haven't played New Vegas but I got pretty Into Fallout. Sleeping Dogs is one i've been meaning to check out - it's pretty much just GTA with Arkham Asylum combat isn't it?

Order 66
05-14-2013, 02:05 AM
i haven't played arkham asylum but i thought the combat in sleeping dogs was more of a throwback to old school brawlers like final fight and such. i didnt care for the combat later in the game as the combos got more complicated and less responsive ... so i never finished the main storyline. but it was fun as far as GTA clones go. i personally enjoyed it more than red dead redemption

AndySlash
05-14-2013, 02:32 AM
sleeping dogs was aight. got enough enjoyment from it that i ultimately felt it was worth the money i paid for it. i've been playing arkham city and i'm having a much harder time with the combat than i did with sleeping dogs.

TuralyonW3
05-14-2013, 02:57 AM
arkham city combat is pretty damn fun

AndySlash
05-14-2013, 03:36 AM
i'm still pretty early in the game, but i feel incompetent playing it.

Future Boy
05-14-2013, 03:57 AM
I set it on hard for some reason and it kicked my ass. I never really could master the combat, so I just kept upgrading everything else.

Toby
05-14-2013, 04:01 AM
Got darksiders 2 for wiiU the other day...p fucking fun. Next up dead island riptide. Then I'm sitting back and waiting for next gen titles.

Toby
05-14-2013, 04:06 AM
Totally going to get watch dogs for the wiiU cause I feel like the gamepad is the perfect companion.

Tchocky
05-14-2013, 12:28 PM
Mass Effect 3 (i'm hesitant to start it cause I never played any of the other games - should I play it on its own or go from the start later?), RAGE (which I played on PC and was pretty nonplussed by),

Hated Rage. Poor man's Borderlands mixed with Fallout. Disappointment.

Play all three ME games. 3 won't make much sense otherwise. Though they do have that comic or whatever at the start of the game that will get you up to speed at the beginning, playing through the games is more fun.

I'm finally playing through Heart of the Swarm...kinda been disappointed with it so far. Fortunately, the Zerg are always fun to play.

Still haven't picked up Bioshock Infinite yet. I just broke my cell phone, so once again, that might have to be put on the backburner. Sucks...I've been pining for that game since it came out.

killtrocity
05-14-2013, 01:11 PM
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Tchocky
05-14-2013, 02:40 PM
Finished my Mass Effect trilogy playthrough. (spoilers forthcoming)

ME1 was, as I've stated before, better than the sum of its parts. It had the overall best plotline of the series and a sense of wonder that the other two games lacked as the series became progressively more streamlined and linear. Still, there was this permeating feeling throughout the game that the developers took the spaghetti approach when it came to developing the game: i.e.: they threw everything at the wall and waited until the game was finished to see what stuck. As a result, you had drawn-out vehicle sequences that weren't much fun, an awful inventory system, cookie-cutter sidequests, buggy gameplay, and interesting but mostly one-dimensional characters. In other words, a lot of what was there seemed half-baked, even the good aspects of the game. It didn't stop the game from being addictive, however, in large part due to an interesting story arc, the freedom you had in creating and developing your own version of the hero character, the whole Paragon/Renegade angle, and of course the romance nonsense.

ME2 was probably my favorite game of the series. A good mix of the sense of wonder and exploration of the first game and the heavy-handed space opera nonsense of the third game. Combat was tightened up, the inventory system was overhauled, the repetitiveness of the first game's sidequests were removed, the writing was tightened up, the voice acting was improved and the character development was much better. I agree with what Trots said earlier in this thread; Mordin is about as good a character as you'll find in a video game. If they ever go through with a Mass Effect movie (though I think the franchise would work better as a TV series) I think David Tennant should play him. Legion was sweet too: I wish you didn't get him so late in the game. He's pretty awesome, and he in turn helps make Tali's story a lot more interesting (the Quarians, who on the surface seem like a largely sympathetic people in this game's universe, have a serious dark side, which is further explored in ME3).

I disagree with Trots on Jack, however; I liked her a lot. While her persona did get obnoxious at times, she can be funny, and if you romance her, she winds up being one of the most well-rounded characters in the series, which leads to her character's biggest problem; if you don't romance her or you are a FemShep, her character development pretty much stops at some point. Lazy writing on BioWare's part, IMHO. Still, she was more interesting than, say, Miranda (bubble-butt fanboy pandering, boring character), Grunt (double-boring), or Jacob (triple-boring). Kasumi was kinda goofy too. Loved Carrie-Ann Moss and Martin Sheen voicing characters in the game.

ME3 was probably the most fun to play due to the changes in the combat system, the ability to mod weapons, the somewhat more challenging gameplay, and some of the unique monsters (Banshees and Atlases are a bitch on Insanity difficulty). Still, it left me wanting, and I'm not referring to the "ending" everyone was going on about (more on that in a sec). The game began taking itself too seriously. Much of the game seemed so heavy-handed, though I appreciated the sense of scope and dread the developers employed throughout the game. One of the reasons I liked the Citadel DLC so much is that it gave the game the sense of humor that it had previously been lacking. (The fact that it brought Wrex back as a squadmate didn't hurt either). I also didn't like the fact that you basically needed to use a guide to find all the stupid war asset side quest stuff because scanning systems was a chore in the game. Still, I liked it. Fun to play (horrible galactic travel aside), great voice acting (Freddie Prize Jr. as some buffed up Latino badass? And it actually works? Wow.), solid combat, solid side-plots (romantic and otherwise), and the aforementioned sense of scope and vision. It makes my inner ultra-nerd smile.

As for the "ending": I downloaded the Extended Cut before I played the game, so in fairness I never saw the original ending that everyone felt the need to bitch about. That said, the ending was just fine. Would I have liked to see my Shepard walk into the sunset with Liara and have a bunch of blue tentacle-haired children? Sure. And if you choose the Destroy ending (the only one where Shepard apparently lives), who's to say you can't head-canon that shit? (The idea of sacrificing EDI and the geth kinda sucks, but I like the Destroy ending the best because I like the idea of the galaxy finally being free of any Reaper influence, which the other endings deny you. That and the Synthesis ending to me seems like horseshit; Reaper code + sentient organic life = HUSKS, not space magic).

But the ending worked. It wrapped things up fairly well (I can live with the plot holes and space magic) while being just ambiguous enough for me to wonder, what direction will the ME universe take next? I'm hoping for a true sequel, set centuries or even millennia after the game (if they go prequel for the next game I'm going to be disappointed because that would be very lazy and unambitious of BioWare, but it'd be a guaranteed moneymaker, so who knows?).

Mordin, Liara, Garrus, Legion, Tali, Wrex and Jack are my favorite characters in the series. EDI, Joker and James aren't too far behind them.

Buying the trilogy was probably the best $50 I've spent on video games in awhile. I'm just now starting to get sick of them after buying them this past Christmas. Time to move on to Bioshock: Infinite finally. Maybe one day I'll do that Renegade playthrough.


TL; DR, I know. :p

Toby
05-14-2013, 05:08 PM
Rage was fun except the ending...pretty fucking lame.

Ol' Couch Ass
05-14-2013, 05:14 PM
Been playing a lot of Hot Shots Golf Out of Bounds. Bought it for like 10 bucks and it's a great party game.

Tchocky
05-14-2013, 05:27 PM
http://www.virtualatari.org/

A good chunk of my office down time is spent on this website. Good old Atari 2600 nostalgia.

killtrocity
05-14-2013, 06:18 PM
Finished my Mass Effect trilogy playthrough. (spoilers forthcoming)

ME1 was, as I've stated before, better than the sum of its parts. It had the overall best plotline of the series and a sense of wonder that the other two games lacked as the series became progressively more streamlined and linear.
Definitely in agreement here. Not sure why we can't have streamlined gameplay and exploration :(


As for the "ending": I downloaded the Extended Cut before I played the game, so in fairness I never saw the original ending that everyone felt the need to bitch about. That said, the ending was just fine. Would I have liked to see my Shepard walk into the sunset with Liara and have a bunch of blue tentacle-haired children? Sure. And if you choose the Destroy ending (the only one where Shepard apparently lives), who's to say you can't head-canon that shit? (The idea of sacrificing EDI and the geth kinda sucks, but I like the Destroy ending the best because I like the idea of the galaxy finally being free of any Reaper influence, which the other endings deny you. That and the Synthesis ending to me seems like horseshit; Reaper code + sentient organic life = HUSKS, not space magic).

But the ending worked. It wrapped things up fairly well (I can live with the plot holes and space magic) while being just ambiguous enough for me to wonder, what direction will the ME universe take next? I'm hoping for a true sequel, set centuries or even millennia after the game (if they go prequel for the next game I'm going to be disappointed because that would be very lazy and unambitious of BioWare, but it'd be a guaranteed moneymaker, so who knows?).

I'm done talking about the storyline for ME3, but suffice to say I had no motivation to play any DLC or extended cut after finishing the game the first time, in stark contrast to ME1 and 2. I didn't even hate the ending like many folks, but there was zero payoff. The gameplay is fluid and streamlined, but there are plenty of fine-tuned shooters out there, and 20-40 hours is a lot of time to devote to something.

On the subject of writing endings, Vince of Breaking Bad:

I think it’s implicit when you write a story that you want to write a satisfying ending, but satisfaction is really removed from emotion – in a sense it operates independently from ideas of happy or sad. Some of the most satisfying endings can be very sad indeed or conversely very happy.It was complicated ending the stories of such a great number of characters though because you want to pay them all off.
The lack of a "walking off into the sunset" is not the issue with ME3. There's a difference between tone and payoff.

Also, I'm not sure how much the following factors in, but you were well-prepared to brace yourself for a lackluster ending and therefore likely lowered your expectations to some degree. I'm currently in the fifth season of The Sopranos and am well aware that plenty of folks were unsatisfied with the series finale. This is inevitably going to affect my overall impression of the finale, because I know not to expect payoff.

In any case, Mass Effect is a fine series. I am however extremely wary of the streamlined, simplified approach Bioware has adopted for its recent games and will hold off on trying further Dragon Age,ME, or KOTOR (maybe? with the recent acquisition?) titles until reviews roll in

Shallowed
05-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Been playing Lemmings on an Acorn Archimedes emulator.

Tchocky
05-14-2013, 06:56 PM
Definitely in agreement here. Not sure why we can't have streamlined gameplay and exploration :(



I'm done talking about the storyline for ME3, but suffice to say I had no motivation to play any DLC or extended cut after finishing the game the first time, in stark contrast to ME1 and 2. I didn't even hate the ending like many folks, but there was zero payoff. The gameplay is fluid and streamlined, but there are plenty of fine-tuned shooters out there, and 20-40 hours is a lot of time to devote to something.

On the subject of writing endings, Vince of Breaking Bad:

The lack of a "walking off into the sunset" is not the issue with ME3. There's a difference between tone and payoff.

Also, I'm not sure how much the following factors in, but you were well-prepared to brace yourself for a lackluster ending and therefore likely lowered your expectations to some degree. I'm currently in the fifth season of The Sopranos and am well aware that plenty of folks were unsatisfied with the series finale. This is inevitably going to affect my overall impression of the finale, because I know not to expect payoff.

In any case, Mass Effect is a fine series. I am however extremely wary of the streamlined, simplified approach Bioware has adopted for its recent games and will hold off on trying further Dragon Age,ME, or KOTOR (maybe? with the recent acquisition?) titles until reviews roll in




What, exactly, would qualify as adequate "payoff"? I'm really not sure what you were expecting, aside from maybe an epic final boss fight, which I wasn't expecting (and I wasn't expecting one even before I read the spoilers).

ME suffers from Lost Syndrome. The storylines of both Lost and Mass Effect were about personal journeys, and people mistakenly believed they were about some elaborate mythology of their respective universes. The reality is, the mythology was just window dressing. In fact, both Lost and Mass Effect started to lose steam when their respective stories started to focus more and more on the mythology and less on the characters. The reason for this is, the mythology of both was never the core strength of either; in fact, it was likely the biggest weakness of each. Emphasizing this only made the deficiencies more glaring.

Some people will blame that on a lack of vision and creativity of the writers, and to an extent I agree with that (the writers of both clearly wrote themselves into corners at places), but again, the mythology was never the core focus of either Lost or Mass Effect.

In the end, yes, ME3 (as well as the last season of Lost) was a bit rushed and could have been done a little better, but fans who perceived the series as something it wasn't are as much to blame for the alleged "disappointment" that was the ending because they were expecting something that the series wasn't.

The ending was fine, "payoff" or otherwise.

And Vince Gilligan was one of the main writers for The X-Files. He's in no position to talk about payoff (or lack thereof) in a series. :rolleyes:

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 12:39 AM
Mass Effect 3 (i'm hesitant to start it cause I never played any of the other games - should I play it on its own or go from the start later?)

uhhhhhhhhhhh well i mean it would be very much like watching return of the jedi first, i suppose. the ewoks will be stupid and a lot of it won't make sense but it'll probably be fun. You'll also miss a lot of the overblown nerdrage about the end since it won't matter to you all that much.

ME1 is a hard playthru though it's pretty clunky.

Skyrim (which I am choosing not to play cause I lost like 40 hours of my life to it on PC).

only 40?


NBA2k13

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS *FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP*

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 12:40 AM
I play the everloving shit out of NBA2k13, in fact i'm glad it doesn't keep track of hours played because i'm sure it would be profoundly embarassing

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 12:42 AM
In the end, yes, ME3 (as well as the last season of Lost) was a bit rushed and could have been done a little better, but fans who perceived the series as something it wasn't are as much to blame for the alleged "disappointment" that was the ending because they were expecting something that the series wasn't.

The ending was fine, "payoff" or otherwise.

combat was perfect on me3. too much margin of error and stuck behind Chest High Walls in ME2 (I probably played the hardest/most satisfying class though: Vanguard), just kind of bargain bin shitty shooter on ME1. But yeah ME3 combat syatem and the guns and armour inventory system are all completely perfect.

reapers are dumb always were dumb, i repeatedly said the game was a trashy soap since day one. i wasn't expecting some kind of visionary statement and we got a fairly artistic one, really. But there were issues but I blame <S>Cerberus</S> EA rushing development and forcing multiplayer (although ironically i think this is exactly why the combat is far superior than any of the other games in the series).

femshep is the greatest female heroine in the history of nerd culture

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 12:51 AM
(Freddie Prize Jr. as some buffed up Latino badass? And it actually works? Wow.),

i know right

james vega was one of the only things about ME3 that retained the sense of humor

the bits in leviathan re: the screaming husk head had me in stitches because i was already poking it all the time before he even showed up so Jinette Shepard was totally on board with taking the thing to her cabin

but yeah ME3 is really a pretty bad case of Y SO SRS? and it's because of the baddies that are just WAY TOO BIG. i mean they just wrote an unsolvable problem, i don't care what you think. they practically made it so the McGuffin would have to destroy it because there was no way out of it otherwise. I mean if you toned it down a bit, i had an idea bout galactic space locusts that migrate between the dark space between galaxies. but making them ancient supermachines of such magnitude was a serious error from jump

i picked control because well Jinette doesn't think anyone in the galaxy should have that kind of power but she's sure convinced she'd use it wisely and for the greater good and for justice (spoiler: she wouldn't). I played it out that she'd become this gestalt consciousness that would basically rule the universe and violate all kinds of personal rights in the interests of the greater good and justice and etc. Hell I'd go so far as to launch ME4 on the idea that the Shepard is basically the collected remnants of the reapers that function as brutal state police. THE SHEPARD IS WATCHING and all that, right? Everything is sparkly and peaceful and clean and people behave themselves but it's completely totalitarian and inherently unfree. Would be dope. And you'd fight it/them but i'd make it/them less invincible, for sure.

however, they should have had some of the renegade responses to TIM run in this direction, and they most certainly didn't. You know the kind of "YOU SUCK BUT I'M TOTALLY FINE I CAN DO IT FUCK YOU GUY" response that someone completely doomed to be a totalitarian dictator "for the greater good." But, like i said. There were jackboots on their backs throughout the dev process, it's very obvious.

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 12:56 AM
In any case, Mass Effect is a fine series. I am however extremely wary of the streamlined, simplified approach Bioware has adopted for its recent games and will hold off on trying further Dragon Age,ME, or KOTOR (maybe? with the recent acquisition?) titles until reviews roll in

i dunno if ME3 is necessarily "streamlined" it seems rushed, there's so many elements that seem like somewhere in the dev cycle EA was like "why are you wasting our money with this shit, get to work on multiplayer and fuck the endings we're not throwing cash at developing 17 endings."

also as far as reviews are concerned, part of the nerdrage about the ending of ME3 was because the reviews glowed about it because they play about 10-20 hours of it or whatever and then write something for cash while sippin kool-aid out of the Liara T'Soni promotional tumbler they got from EA earlier that week.

Tchocky
05-15-2013, 10:26 AM
I'm not huge into basketball, but NBA 2K13 is a blast. Fun, fun game, one of my favorite sports games ever.

Tchocky
05-15-2013, 01:12 PM
i know right

james vega was one of the only things about ME3 that retained the sense of humor

the bits in leviathan re: the screaming husk head had me in stitches because i was already poking it all the time before he even showed up so Jinette Shepard was totally on board with taking the thing to her cabin

Play the Citadel DLC if you haven't. Yes, it's fan service to the point of irritation at times, but it's good and can be funny at times. One of the two best DLC packs in the series (the other being ME2's Lair of the Shadow Broker).

but yeah ME3 is really a pretty bad case of Y SO SRS? and it's because of the baddies that are just WAY TOO BIG. i mean they just wrote an unsolvable problem, i don't care what you think. they practically made it so the McGuffin would have to destroy it because there was no way out of it otherwise. I mean if you toned it down a bit, i had an idea bout galactic space locusts that migrate between the dark space between galaxies. but making them ancient supermachines of such magnitude was a serious error from jump

They wrote themselves into a corner with the Reapers, for sure. I have a feeling, had the developers had more time to polish the storyline, that the ending would not have come down to some MacGuffin machine. Working on deadline, they had to go with ideas as they came, and a MacGuffin was probably the most workable idea they could come up with on such a tight deadline. Also:


One of the writers of the Mass Effect series, Patrick Weekes, posted a message on gaming website Penny Arcade critical of BioWare executive producer Casey Hudson and lead writer Mac Walters' handling of the creative process surrounding the ending. According to Weekes, who posted on the Penny Arcade forums using his well-known and attributed personal account "Takyris", Hudson and Walters locked him and the other writers out of production of the ending, personally chose the ending they preferred and refused to allow peer review (as had been done with previous chapters of the storyline) once the details of the planned ending were selected. Weekes stated that the ending was "entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself", who decided "they didn’t need to be peer-reviewed", with Weekes concluding "It shows."[166]

Stress of working on deadline, or a false sense of security on the part of the devs? Who knows.

reapers are dumb always were dumb

They (along with the geth) were a poor man's Borg. (The geth/Quarian storyline was pretty interesting though)

i wasn't expecting some kind of visionary statement

...which, unfortunately, is what many gamers apparently wanted/were expecting. Again, similar to the reaction to the end of Lost.

<s>Cerberus</s> EA

Larry Probst is, indeed, the Illusive Man of video games.

i picked control because well Jinette doesn't think anyone in the galaxy should have that kind of power but she's sure convinced she'd use it wisely and for the greater good and for justice (spoiler: she wouldn't). I played it out that she'd become this gestalt consciousness that would basically rule the universe and violate all kinds of personal rights in the interests of the greater good and justice and etc. Hell I'd go so far as to launch ME4 on the idea that the Shepard is basically the collected remnants of the reapers that function as brutal state police. THE SHEPARD IS WATCHING and all that, right? Everything is sparkly and peaceful and clean and people behave themselves but it's completely totalitarian and inherently unfree. Would be dope. And you'd fight it/them but i'd make it/them less invincible, for sure.

Not a fan of the Control ending (again, I want no Reaper influence in my galaxy once and for all; plus it would make me sick to my stomach if my Paragon Shep went through with the option that the guy he's been fighting against wanted to do)...but I have to admit, this would be pretty friggin' sweet. I just figured another Mass Effect game, if it were a sequel, would involve the Council building new Mass Relays and exploring beyond the galaxy or something...but your idea would kick ass and present an interesting twist in the mythos. The devs have hinted that they may develop the next ME game in a matter in which your choices in the original trilogy may carry influence into what happens in the new game, so who knows?

Playing these games makes me want to get back into writing.

Tchocky
05-15-2013, 01:17 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4L09sU9jE0M/SeePbCXtpDI/AAAAAAAABno/kU0-1S58TF0/s400/jillian-murray-4.jpg

This is Jillian Murray, the face/body model for Liara.

:blush:

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:26 PM
I'm not huge into basketball, but NBA 2K13 is a blast. Fun, fun game, one of my favorite sports games ever.

i'm pretty convinced it's the best sports game ever period

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:29 PM
They (along with the geth) were a poor man's Borg. (The geth/Quarian storyline was pretty interesting though)

bullshit the geth are far more sympathetic and therefore interesting than the borg could ever be.

the most fiercely independent and isolationist race in the galaxy are the formerly enslaved synthetics? one of those genius moments that lifts the series out of its trashy, soapy baseness.

i don't recall any lore about where the borg came from or why they do what they do.

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:33 PM
The devs have hinted that they may develop the next ME game in a matter in which your choices in the original trilogy may carry influence into what happens in the new game, so who knows?

lol no they need to stop pretending like this shit is possible or even desirable

i would suggest that the next game should have a core cast that you could play as any one of the characters at any time and just abandon this "choose your own adventure" first person illusion, obviously a lot of people bought it and it turned out to be total B.S. I saw it coming since ME1 to ME2 because pretty much everything you do in ME1 has only cosmetic effects on ME2. It's just a dumb gimmick, it's not necessarily part of the game. Customizing a PC only leads to people investing too much of themselves in a story that is finite. Besides when you're spending a lot of devtime on dialogue trees, you're stealing that away from everything else. And if you want to write dialogue trees then maybe they shouldn't be making an FPS.

I mean build-a-shep was fun, but it was definitely binary for the most part "Are you paragon or renegade???" and it was certainly a gimmick not some kind of revolutionary game mechanic that it seemed like at first or that people still seem to think it is.

sides they relentlessly exaggerated the status of ME3 on social media, much to their detriment. I mean I still chuckle when i see the nerdragers screaming bloody murder about how they lied to them, since they were stupid enough not to know it was hype to begin with, but it is pretty perverse to keep leaking this kind of bullshit knowing full well that their track record is less "hype" and more "deliberately misrepresenting the entire project."

killtrocity
05-15-2013, 02:34 PM
What, exactly, would qualify as adequate "payoff"? I'm really not sure what you were expecting, aside from maybe an epic final boss fight, which I wasn't expecting (and I wasn't expecting one even before I read the spoilers).


I was expecting character choices to matter in the end. You know how in ME2, your choices affect whether every main character, including your own, lives or dies? That was incredibly well done. In #3, you spend the game collecting war assets in a very similar manner to collecting squadmates in #2, except that these have zero effect on anything. I think there's a five second cutscene of Shepard breathing or something if you get to some number of war assets and choose the red ending. Sure, certain characters are absent if you let them die throughout the series - but they're simply replaced with analogues filling the same roles. While this is a great story mechanic and does personalize the story as it plays out, collecting war assets and rallying systems to your cause is utterly meaningless, and in that way the suicide mission from #2 stands in stark contrast.



but yeah ME3 is really a pretty bad case of Y SO SRS? and it's because of the baddies that are just WAY TOO BIG. i mean they just wrote an unsolvable problem, i don't care what you think. they practically made it so the McGuffin would have to destroy it because there was no way out of it otherwise. I mean if you toned it down a bit, i had an idea bout galactic space locusts that migrate between the dark space between galaxies. but making them ancient supermachines of such magnitude was a serious error from jump


You know what would have made a better ending? The reapers win. You didn't unite every race in the galaxy? Then you lose. Everyone dies. Instead, there is no option for failure! It's possible (although difficult) to fail the suicide mission in #2. What is the excuse for not being able to fail the final installment in the series? Actually, having everyone die no matter what choices were made would have been a better ending than the McGuffin pseudo-success. Same goes for War of the Worlds, Stephen Spielberg edition.


What's so grating is that the framework was placed for this mechanic to play out, for war assets to have a purpose aside from being used for an arbitrary calculation that a fourth grader could perform to determine how many extra seconds of cutscene are triggered. It is blatantly obvious that the "ending" was applied to stop the hemorrhaging resulting from an unfinished game forced into release by unrealistic deadlines.

Anyone remember KOTOR 2? That game literally did not have an ending as a result of being released 6 months early for the holidays. ME3 does a better job of applying the tourniquet, but it is essentially a product of the same situation.


And it's interesting that Lost is consistently mentioned in regards to ME3, because there's another similar thread between that show and ME - the developers of ME assured everyone that character choices would impact the story. With Lost, the writers assured everyone that they knew where the story was headed, and of course Lost is now a monument to what happens when the writers make shit up as they go along. In both cases, there were certain expectations based on promises made by the respective creators, and both were left unfulfilled. It's not entirely honest to blame the fans for high expectations for the conclusion to a series which hadn't faltered until the final moments. Matrix 3, on the other hand...

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:41 PM
i never watched lost but i was familiar with its general arc and when people said that they had a plan i just laughed and said "no they don't"

so i guess my cynicism is what keeps me from freaking when the end turns out to be stupid, i just go "well that's about what i expected."

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:42 PM
and as far as i'm concerned mass effect faltered plenty before the end (like i said, i treated it as a sci-fi soap, kind of like Firefly. Yeah it's entertaining and has really great moments but it's still pretty trashy and often plain stupid) and lost was absolute garbage

Tchocky
05-15-2013, 02:44 PM
bullshit the geth are far more sympathetic and therefore interesting than the borg could ever be.

the most fiercely independent and isolationist race in the galaxy are the formerly enslaved synthetics? one of those genius moments that lifts the series out of its trashy, soapy baseness.

Agreed. The geth started off as a poor man's Borg but the writers wisely evolved them into something more than a faceless race of machines. It was unfair of me to lump them in with the Reapers, who fit the "poor man's Borg" bill much better.

i don't recall any lore about where the borg came from or why they do what they do.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_history

Not a whole lot of info on that subject. The creators of Star Trek (wisely) kept their origins, history, and raison d'ętre vague.

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:48 PM
reapers were really just a total crib from the matrix, i thought

Trotskilicious
05-15-2013, 02:49 PM
honestly i don't think i would have ever finished mass effect to begin with if i played as a male paragon shepard i would have gone "this sucks and is boring" and would have quit

because i actually did do that on my 2nd playthru and it did suck and it was boring

so then i just re-ran it as Vanguard Renegade Femmeshep and many asses were handed back to their owners

Tchocky
05-15-2013, 02:54 PM
You know what would have made a better ending? The reapers win.

This is possible. The "Refuse" ending in the Extended Cut allows the Reapers to win. Granted, there is an asterisk to this ending: The next cycle finds one of Liara's time capsules, which she planted on planets throughout the galaxy, and future galactic civilizations use the information she provided to defeat the Reapers in the next cycle.

Tchocky
05-15-2013, 02:57 PM
reapers were really just a total crib from the matrix, i thought

That stupid Deus Ex Machina "Catalyst" certainly brought to mind the Architect from The Matrix Reloaded.

killtrocity
05-15-2013, 11:07 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4L09sU9jE0M/SeePbCXtpDI/AAAAAAAABno/kU0-1S58TF0/s400/jillian-murray-4.jpg

This is Jillian Murray, the face/body model for Liara.

:blush:

Oh god, she's lovely <3


how about some Miranda

http://www.yvonne-strahovski.eu/gallery/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Yvonne-Strahovski-SoBe-LifeWater-033.jpg

Order 66
05-15-2013, 11:19 PM
i got portal 2 on steam for $8.. somehow never got around to playing the portals before. i knew it wouldn't suck but i spent alot more time with it than i expected. when i closed my eyes to sleep i could see little orange and blue circles floating around.

i wonder how the multiplayer works... doesn't seem liek something you'd need another player for

Dead Frequency
05-15-2013, 11:54 PM
I've only played portal two coop and it is difficult because you have to work together to accomplish anything. At some point it'll break down into a "WTF R U DOING OMG SHOOT THE FUCKING PORTAL THERE R U DENSE YOU ASSHOLE" And then it becomes a game of how to kill the other player over and over

Dead Frequency
05-15-2013, 11:54 PM
And then hot pockets

Tchocky
05-16-2013, 12:30 PM
i got portal 2 on steam for $8.. somehow never got around to playing the portals before. i knew it wouldn't suck but i spent alot more time with it than i expected. when i closed my eyes to sleep i could see little orange and blue circles floating around.

i wonder how the multiplayer works... doesn't seem liek something you'd need another player for

Love Portal. The devs said they were hesitant about including a multi-player mode in Portal 2, claiming that it was in fact less fun that you'd think, but I for one loved it. It's a good exercise in how well you can communicate and execute strategy on the fly with your partner. Of course, Glados and Wheatley are both awesome. JK Simmons as Cave Johnson was a nice touch, as well. I love how he progressively goes more insane.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/IPG3eDTy-yo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tchocky
05-16-2013, 12:33 PM
how about some Miranda


Hated Miranda, but let's face it, Yvonne Strahovski...

http://einsteinsdesk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/drooling-homer-simpson.jpg

Trotskilicious
05-16-2013, 12:45 PM
see this is one of the reasons i don't like mass effect, the fan service stuff

Tchocky
05-16-2013, 01:18 PM
see this is one of the reasons i don't like mass effect, the fan service stuff

Miranda was a bit too ridiculous in that regard for me. I think I rolled my eyes the first time the camera blatantly parked itself behind her butt. That and her personality, especially if she's your love interest. I get it; she's hot. :rolleyes:

If you want people to take games like this seriously...I'm not even saying the women can't be attractive or whatever. But the people who play these kind of games are not all a bunch of 15-year-old boys.

Besides, Liara could kick Miranda's ass. :p

Trotskilicious
05-16-2013, 01:34 PM
I dunno, I think the leching on female characters is a rather significant portion of Mass Effect's appeal, and they do some things right (Femme Shep blah blah blah) it's kind of frustrating when they start doing that LCD fan service stuff. The blue lesbian space girls are enough already. I think that sex and romance has a place in games but I kind of feel like on this game it's still immature nerd fapping.

ME has a significant female fanbase but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing everything right. moar liek battlestar, less liek firefly

Tchocky
05-16-2013, 01:49 PM
I dunno, I think the leching on female characters is a rather significant portion of Mass Effect's appeal, and they do some things right (Femme Shep blah blah blah) it's kind of frustrating when they start doing that LCD fan service stuff. The blue lesbian space girls are enough already. I think that sex and romance has a place in games but I kind of feel like on this game it's still immature nerd fapping.

ME has a significant female fanbase but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing everything right.

I like the asari (at least the concept of them being a wise and powerful race that are both beautiful and badass), but you're definitely not wrong.

BioWare went out of its way to portray the Asari as capable warriors and diplomats and to show a great diversity within the race in both personality and experience. Yet all that effort seems wasted amongst the designers' numerous missteps. A truly asexual race that grows its culture through imprinting on other species sounds like a cool sci-fi idea with tons of possibilities, but that's not how the Asari are portrayed; they're a race of women -- the attractive and feminine figures of every Asari shown on screen make their "asexual" description in the Codex little more than a fig leaf to place over any possible same-sex relationship controversy -- with ideal bodies. They serve as eye candy for players even when they aren't sleeping with the protagonist. How can Shepard take someone who dresses like the woman below while stationed on an ice planet seriously as a villain?


http://www.1up.com/media?id=3937042&type=lg

Trotskilicious
05-16-2013, 01:57 PM
yeah what if the asari were exactly the same in every regard but looked like krogan? why can't we do something like that? I dunno they have one foot forward and two steps back, it's really frustrating considering how great female shepard is. Battlestar is great with women, I mean the new Starbuck is pretty cool, but she's basically a male trope played by a woman. However, Shepard is deliberately written to be heroic and gender neutral and it works <I>beautifully</I>. But then you have space lesbian eye-candy and Whedonesque "sexual" banter. So near/So far.

Sonic Johnny
05-24-2013, 07:44 AM
update: my new boarding style is "during replays and halftimes in NBA2K13"

Trotskilicious
05-24-2013, 09:23 AM
you're a man after my own heart

are you doing franchise mode?

have you made your own highlight reel playlists?

Order 66
05-24-2013, 12:18 PM
okay nerds i finally found a way to run mass effect on windows 8. steam says i'm about 4 hours in... i'm at the point where shepherd becomes a spectre or whatever.

i expected the game to look pretty rough since its an old-ish game but it looks pretty good aside from facial animations. really like the environments... even coming off bioshock infinite they can be pretty impressive. the inventory system is kind of a wreck so glad to hear it gets better in the sequels

i like how it balances out sci fi schlok with decent writing. i;m pretty interested to see where it goes.. and its pretty rare that i care for games' writing these days. i wish i had more time to sit on my ass and play it

oh and fuck you, steam. you should have told me the "mass effect collection" was only the first two games before i got it. and fuck you EA for not making ME3 available on anything but that Origin shit.

Trotskilicious
05-24-2013, 12:28 PM
yeah ea is jerks

and it totally does look p. good for old as it is but it looks better later on. i still think some of the citadel environments are kind of sterile but noveria, feros, virmire and <i>especially</I> ilos are p. coll

the inventory system is fuckin horrible on 1. basically it gets progressively better from one game to the other. lot of people complain about the system in 2 since it's not a system it's mostly just a choice of 2 or 3 but i prefer that than getting buttons of marginally different weapons

also ammo type is made to be a "power" on ME2, which is great because you can switch it as you please without going to submenu hell

femme shep is the best shep

Dead Frequency
05-24-2013, 07:14 PM
I'm playing through deus ex. Kinda fucking boring, but kinda fun once momentum goes for it. But there are basically a million things can be done in every area and none of them amount to much. Story is pretty uninteresting, kinda bland corporate mystery nonsense. "I'm screwing your company over!" "Nuh uh *guns and explosion*"

Order 66
05-24-2013, 08:34 PM
the first deus ex? i haven't played any of those games but supposedly they're really good. i don't care enough to play the older ones but i'll get the newest one when its dirt cheap on steam

Sonic Johnny
05-25-2013, 02:00 AM
you're a man after my own heart

are you doing franchise mode?

have you made your own highlight reel playlists?

Just started franchise mode. Played really poorly in the showcase but somehow got drafted to Miami. Only played one game so far though.

Trotskilicious
05-25-2013, 03:19 AM
that's not franchise mode, that would be myplayer

you get drafted to miami because they have a low draft pick (pretty sure they pick last), so if you play badly at the showcase in MyPlayer mode then you get picked up by good teams.

I was scoring 70+ on MyPlayer before I got bored. I made a point guard and just maxed out his speed, handling, layups and shooting. NO DUNKING. like Superparker. i had a lot of points saved up from playing franchise for a month straight

you should check out the playlist thing

Dead Frequency
05-25-2013, 04:36 AM
the first deus ex? i haven't played any of those games but supposedly they're really good. i don't care enough to play the older ones but i'll get the newest one when its dirt cheap on steam

To be entirely honest I didn't kniw it was a franchise, presumably its origins are on the pc? I picked up the 360 installment, though I'll also admit I've kinda strayed away from news of new releases. Just picking up this game after a while, so I'm not sure if there's been another 360 release

Dead Frequency
05-25-2013, 04:59 AM
And I refuse to look it up for some reason

Toby
05-25-2013, 08:18 AM
Playing darksider 2 on wiiU and then I have DmC and Ripide on deck for 360.

Toby
05-25-2013, 08:20 AM
Darksiders 2 is p freakin awesome. I hope whomever bought that ip brings it back for a sequel.

Order 66
05-25-2013, 01:35 PM
To be entirely honest I didn't kniw it was a franchise, presumably its origins are on the pc? I picked up the 360 installment, though I'll also admit I've kinda strayed away from news of new releases. Just picking up this game after a while, so I'm not sure if there's been another 360 release

its probably human revolution. i watched a trailer for it lastnight.. seems kind of abstruse gameplay wise. not really interested in it but i'll get it on sale anywy just because i can

Future Boy
05-25-2013, 03:09 PM
So what do you guys think about the Xbox One reveal. Its smart to have kinect integrated and included so much but I cant believe they didnt think some people would have a problem with the always on part of it. The used games restrictions seem like overkill. New controller looks cool though.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-everything-we-know-509069410

Toby
05-25-2013, 05:34 PM
Not at all interested in their new fangled machine.

Rocket Launcher
05-25-2013, 07:01 PM
http://nifflas.ni2.se/?page=Knytt+Stories

Banana
05-25-2013, 09:41 PM
Extremely disappointed with Xbox One. Horrible name, can't get over how bad the name is. If it was the first Xbox I wouldn't mind it at all but it is the 3rd. I really liked the Xbox Infinity rumored name that was a floating around the last few months. This one doesn't even have a unique logo, it's basically still the 360 logo. It's huge and ugly. It is always going to be on and active while connected to the internet and listening to everything that is going on in your house. The controller seems to be a step back which is disappointing when you see the steps forward that Nintendo and Sony took with their controllers.


I've loved the Xbox and Xbox 360 and really wanted to get the new Xbox since I've had my Live account since the beta for Live before it's release on the first Xbox. But PS4 looks like the only next gen console I'm going to get. Xbox One is a mess and Wii U is dieing quickly and I don't have much hope for the new Zelda. Will probably end up having to buy the new Xbox whenever Halo 5 comes out though.

Lucky Day Spa
05-25-2013, 09:48 PM
PS4 looks like the only next gen console I'm going to get … Will probably end up having to buy the new Xbox whenever Halo 5 comes out though

fascinating. keep up the good work

Toby
05-26-2013, 12:50 AM
I want a steam box

Banana
05-26-2013, 01:11 AM
I want a steam box


it's called a pc

Shallowed
05-26-2013, 01:50 AM
OH MY GOD I AM SUCH A FUCKING SPOILED BRAT

Tchocky
05-29-2013, 04:22 PM
Finally pulled the trigger on Bioshit: Infinite. Let's see how this goes. Story seems interesting, though the game itself got off to a slow start. Zipping around on the sky rails is fun as hell. Dunno if Father Comstock is as interesting a villain as Andrew Ryan, though I'll reserve judgment until I've played the whole game.

Order 66
05-29-2013, 05:05 PM
spoliler alert: bioshock dies

rip