View Full Version : What the heck is going on with the Vinyl Reissue?


Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 02:50 PM
So..... is it just me or do these lp's have some super serious quality issues? Towards the end of a few of them the audio starts sounding like complete shit. That isn't even counting the various skips and jump cuts.

Somebody fall asleep at the press?

Rider
12-07-2012, 02:59 PM
They ran them to close to the dead wax and some copies are fucked because of that.

redbull
12-07-2012, 03:00 PM
pretty glad I didn't jump for these, even at 27 bucks

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 03:03 PM
So hypothetically if i return my copy to amazon i may get a good one in return?

redbull
12-07-2012, 03:05 PM
They ran them to close to the dead wax and some copies are fucked because of that.

does this not happen on releases from smaller labels like merge and 4ad, or have I just not heard about it?

meangreensp
12-07-2012, 03:06 PM
I haven't had any issues with mine, so I'd say it's a QC issue. If you return it to Amazon, they may give you a good one. Got mine from the record store.

Rider
12-07-2012, 03:07 PM
does this not happen on releases from smaller labels like merge and 4ad, or have I just not heard about it?

Merge fucks up constantly.

No one can figure out how this happened with these. They were pressed by one of if not the best pressing plants in the world, but there are issues on some copies.

People are trying to figure out if there is more then one set of plates being used. Too soon to know anything.

Rider
12-07-2012, 03:08 PM
I haven't had any issues with mine, so I'd say it's a QC issue. If you return it to Amazon, they may give you a good one. Got mine from the record store.

What kind of rig are you listening to them on?

redbull
12-07-2012, 03:09 PM
Merge fucks up constantly.

interesting, a big chunk of the vinyl I own is from Merge. I must have just gotten lucky.

Rider
12-07-2012, 03:13 PM
interesting, a big chunk of the vinyl I own is from Merge. I must have just gotten lucky.

They are good but far from perfect.

Bottom line is issues happen. There are only so many pressing plants left in the world and they are all running full capacity 24 hours day and many of them have not had to handle any volume at all for two decades so shit happens.

The Beatles reissues took up pretty much all the resources for the past few months so that makes it even worse.

There are also two separate issues that seem people are bitching about and not some say they don't have them. No one is sure what ups with Zero, and people are pretty sure what's up with this dead wax issue, so it's all confusing right now.

meangreensp
12-07-2012, 03:16 PM
What kind of rig are you listening to them on?

Marantz TT42, Technica 8008 cart, Marantz 1403, B&W M1...

I mean, it's a little flawed, but all vinyl is. Moral of the story, it's in better shape than my god-awful copy of Hurry Up, We're Dreaming.

The only thing I really can't stand is the immediate jump to Zero from Jellybelly.

I don't notice any skips or jump cuts beside the quick jump to Zero.

Rider
12-07-2012, 03:18 PM
Is Zero the end of side 1?

If it is that's what's causing the distortion in Zero also.

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 03:22 PM
Zero is at the end of side 1. Typically i don't mind a few flaws when listening to vinyl, hell that can be part of the charm. But this QC issue is making songs nearly unlistenable. I have requested a new copy from Amazon so we will see if that helps. Sucks that a lot of other vinyl has to suffer so the Beatles can release their records for the hundredth time.

meangreensp
12-07-2012, 03:22 PM
Is Zero the end of side 1?

If it is that's what's causing the distortion in Zero also.

Yeah, it is.

Rider
12-07-2012, 03:24 PM
It's going to far into the deadwax and is to dynamic for that tight of a spiral. That's why people noticed it first on Zero.

Bitch to Amazon. Usually if enough people bitch Amazon will force the label to do a repress.

T&T
12-07-2012, 03:25 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/t6clyu.jpg

redbull
12-07-2012, 03:39 PM
i wish this had the vinyl running order

T&T
12-07-2012, 03:56 PM
i wish this had the vinyl running order
how are you gonna pace 6 sides onto 8 sides?


I thought going to 8 sides instead of 6 was going to give them MORE leeway to avoid dead wax... :dammit:

Rider
12-07-2012, 04:03 PM
seems like it's jsut an issue with one set of plates, but no one knows yet.

This might be why the Canada orders got set to TBA. Pressing fuck up and some got out into the wild.

redbull
12-07-2012, 04:05 PM
how are you gonna pace 6 sides onto 8 sides?


I thought going to 8 sides instead of 6 was going to give them MORE leeway to avoid dead wax... :dammit:

considering mcis is a little over 2 hours long 6 sides would get you 20-22 minutes per

if anything it seems like the sides here are shorter than a lot of records

Rider
12-07-2012, 04:27 PM
considering mcis is a little over 2 hours long 6 sides would get you 20-22 minutes per

if anything it seems like the sides here are shorter than a lot of records

18 minutes per side is the max a record should ever run. Once you go over 18 you start compromising.

We complain about dynamic range and distortion but you ant them to cram way too much music per side. :think:

T&T
12-07-2012, 04:35 PM
MCIS, TT, Jellbelly & Zero clock in under 13mins.
we really shouldn't have any dead wax.

side times:
A 12:48
B 12:21
C 16:51
D 15:57
E 16:58
F 15:50
G 18:25
H 12:42

only side G is over 18mins. everything else should really be fine.
(calculations done with CD times, same diff)

MonteLDS
12-07-2012, 04:35 PM
so those who say there is an issue with the LP can you please post some video of this?

New Art Rioter
12-07-2012, 04:51 PM
There's no reason for 13 minutes of audio on a record to sound bad. I'm confused. I hope this isn't a repeat of Oceania, that was just unplayable on some tracks

JRock
12-07-2012, 05:52 PM
i have been reading all of these comments $2,000 vinyl set up (i say that because if there was some serious sound problems i wouild hear them) and the songs sound wonderful I do not hear any of the problems that others have complained of. I think the album sounds great on vinyl.

SlingeroGuitaro
12-07-2012, 06:42 PM
Sucks that a lot of other vinyl has to suffer so the Beatles can release their records for the hundredth time.

What sucks even more is that a TON of the Beatles US pressings have issues worse than this.

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 07:23 PM
i have been reading all of these comments $2,000 vinyl set up (i say that because if there was some serious sound problems i wouild hear them) and the songs sound wonderful I do not hear any of the problems that others have complained of. I think the album sounds great on vinyl.

Well i think we can pretty much assume that there are copies out there in perfect working order, but on the other side of the coin there are some copies that have some serious issues, i am going to record a youtube video of the "Zero" issue and post it within the next 15 minutes or so. I'm totally not trying to troll or be controversial, I love this record! The main thing i want is for my listening experience to be good to very good.

TuralyonW3
12-07-2012, 07:35 PM
"zero" does sound a kinda hot on my vinyl (comparable to my whole copy of oceania is which is nearly unlistenable) but the rest is sounding great so far. Hear is no why sounds amazing on vinyl.

TuralyonW3
12-07-2012, 07:37 PM
What sucks even more is that a TON of the Beatles US pressings have issues worse than this.

yeah I considered getting that set but the horror stories are ridiculous

mellon_c0llie
12-07-2012, 07:44 PM
Just a general vinyl question: Would a new needle improve the inner groove distortion? What kind of a difference will a new needle make?

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 07:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmnI_fA2MI&feature=youtu.be

it's most noticeable from the two minute mark forward.

TuralyonW3
12-07-2012, 07:55 PM
this really does sound great. side C is flawless.

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 08:06 PM
this really does sound great. side C is flawless.

the video does? or the record in general?

T&T
12-07-2012, 08:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmnI_fA2MI&feature=youtu.be

it's most noticeable from the two minute mark forward.
between the cam microphone and the youtube compression it's hard to tell much what is making it sound crunchy.

TuralyonW3
12-07-2012, 10:16 PM
the video does? or the record in general?

the record. hearing muzzle on warm vinyl is amazing

MonteLDS
12-07-2012, 10:27 PM
OK i hear what is wrong with it.. sounds more like a manufacturer error... but I will pass on this to billy.

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 10:37 PM
um. not sure that much sounds wrong beside that skip which sounds more like a manufacturer error... but I will pass on this to billy.

@Monte that would be awesome, i'm sure i could figure out a way to somehow rip the audio to my PC if i absolutely had to. The only thing i would say is listen to the final chorus with a set of decent headphones, you will notice a severe crackle/distortion right at the very end of the record. A similar effect can be found on To Forgive on the other side.

i used a decent recording mic for the audio and could send you the uncompressed version if you would like.

MonteLDS
12-07-2012, 10:38 PM
if anyone else is having this error I really would need reliable video footage to pass on to making a good case that its a wide spread problem.

NilSineDeo
12-07-2012, 10:42 PM
if anyone else is having this error I really would need reliable video footage to pass on to making a good case that its a wide spread problem.

If I can talk my fiancee into letting me listen before xmas, I'll pass on a video if I hear anything.

Panama Fuck
12-07-2012, 10:45 PM
Monte for what it's worth, If you look at the past couple pages of the amazon review pages, other people are reporting a similar issue.

http://www.amazon.com/Mellon-Infinite-Sadness-Smashing-Pumpkins/product-reviews/B008Z9L94O/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

TuralyonW3
12-07-2012, 10:55 PM
the roar of ruby distortion on vinyl...unf

slunken
12-07-2012, 11:04 PM
i hear there are a ton of errors in the liner notes (including but not limited to getting the cd version for the vinyl and vice-versa) look at this gem courtesy of monte

http://t.co/SSade5Ts

slunken
12-07-2012, 11:05 PM
you couldn't script this shit it's mindblowing

slunken
12-07-2012, 11:07 PM
the discography credits for rotten apples are wrong and stuff like that

reprise85
12-07-2012, 11:08 PM
lol i was just gonna post that. hilarious (@ we only come at night)

Rider
12-07-2012, 11:22 PM
Just a general vinyl question: Would a new needle improve the inner groove distortion? What kind of a difference will a new needle make?

None.

TuralyonW3
12-07-2012, 11:34 PM
so i've listened to my entire vinyl. not a single pop or scratch...very quiet in between tracks.

zero was maybe a little hot but not unlistenable (I'm not hearing the "white noise" people are mentioning)

overall just fantastic

pavementtune
12-07-2012, 11:39 PM
Mine are fine, too.

Raskolnikov
12-08-2012, 10:13 PM
"zero" does sound a kinda hot on my vinyl (comparable to my whole copy of oceania is which is nearly unlistenable) but the rest is sounding great so far. Hear is no why sounds amazing on vinyl.

I'm not a huge vinyl listener - no functional turn table currently, waiting to buy a house so I can get a rad setup. Til then, I just buy it. My little bro on the other hand ONLY buys vinyl. Planning on listening to MCIS at his place over Christmas.

So, point of that - can you explain to me what "hot" means in this context? Was considering getting him Oceania on vinyl, but opted against it due to widespread ragging on that.

T&T
12-09-2012, 01:18 AM
hot - hot signal - too loud for the medium - results in clipping of the waveform - sounds like distortion.

AndySlash
12-09-2012, 12:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmnI_fA2MI&feature=youtu.be

it's most noticeable from the two minute mark forward.

yeah, mine has this shit.

MonteLDS
12-09-2012, 04:13 PM
yeah, mine has this shit.

Andy if u post video of this then I can point out to Billy it's not an isolated issue.

Skradgee
12-09-2012, 04:18 PM
Yeah everyone, Zero is a loud song...just FYI...head's up on that.

brendo_91
12-09-2012, 07:24 PM
sure. but if you watch that video above it sounds like it gets worse as the needle travels towards teh center of the disc.

pavementtune
12-09-2012, 07:43 PM
Andy if u post video of this then I can point out to Billy it's not an isolated issue.
Are you offering to get this fixed - like the PI reissue?
I doubt Billy needs you to point out any issues regarding the vinyl - he wasn't born yesterday, and EMI isn't one giant clowndump either.

MonteLDS
12-09-2012, 09:28 PM
I doubt Billy needs you to point out any issues regarding the vinyl.

he asked for more information when i told him

redbull
12-09-2012, 11:19 PM
can someone just do a 24/96 dump of the vinyl? it's real easy if you have a laptop with a line in jack. I will walk you through it

AndySlash
12-09-2012, 11:54 PM
tell me what to do

slunken
12-10-2012, 12:12 AM
your call is very important to us...

slunken
12-10-2012, 12:12 AM
hey redbull i have a laptop

redbull
12-10-2012, 01:27 AM
tell me what to do

1. connect your stereo to the line/mic jack on your laptop. you can use a 1/8 to 1/8 cable for this if your stereo has a headphone jack [can be bought for like two bucks at radioshack]

2. open audacity (http://audacity.sf.net), go to preferences, and set your recording input to line in. set default recording format to WAV (PCM)

3. play the affected portion of the record, hit record in audacity and you have a .wav (or whatever format you choose) -- if your levels are too high, turn down your stereo

[disclaimer: this is a ghetto as shit transfer method but it will get you better audio quality than any youtube video, even if your computer's soundcard sucks fucking balls]

redbull
12-10-2012, 01:29 AM
i'm actually pretty surprised there isn't a 24/96 up on what already but hey

T&T
12-10-2012, 07:43 AM
many haven't shipped yet I guess. haven't gotten mine yet..... fucking amazon.ca preorder BS. they're totally just sweating us out for their fuck up.

adamdanger!
12-10-2012, 08:19 AM
I see Amazon.ca charged my card this weekend, but have not shipped it yet. Go figure.

NilSineDeo
12-10-2012, 09:53 AM
Are you offering to get this fixed - like the PI reissue?


The PI reissue was fixed?

AndySlash
12-10-2012, 11:24 AM
1. connect your stereo to the line/mic jack on your laptop. you can use a 1/8 to 1/8 cable for this if your stereo has a headphone jack [can be bought for like two bucks at radioshack]

2. open audacity (http://audacity.sf.net), go to preferences, and set your recording input to line in. set default recording format to WAV (PCM)

3. play the affected portion of the record, hit record in audacity and you have a .wav (or whatever format you choose) -- if your levels are too high, turn down your stereo

[disclaimer: this is a ghetto as shit transfer method but it will get you better audio quality than any youtube video, even if your computer's soundcard sucks fucking balls]

k. i already have audacity i've just never used it. will do at home tonight.

slunken
12-10-2012, 12:35 PM
btw they're like 8 bucks at radio shack that place is expensive

T&T
12-10-2012, 12:51 PM
The PI reissue was fixed?
of course not.

sjpaterra
12-10-2012, 01:37 PM
my vinyl arrived today from amazon.ca

I must say, it's fine.

I'm using a micro seiki mb-14 --> marantz 2350 --> mission 727.... and a random b&w sub that i took from home when i moved out.

It's not the greatest setup but it is way better than my iPhone or computer.... and the vinyl sounds fantastic. Obviously way better than my original (#3389) but i didn't notice anything wrong with zero... it all sounded clean. I toggled back and forth between headphones and speakers during the first 4 sides... no complaints here.

Panama Fuck
12-10-2012, 03:09 PM
So i filed a return with Amazon, it looks like i will be receiving a new copy tomorrow. Here's hoping!

Venom
12-10-2012, 05:20 PM
There's a topic on the Steve Hoffman forums about the reissue and the vinyl issues: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/smashing-pumpkins-reissues-part-2.303486/

mellon_c0llie
12-10-2012, 07:12 PM
mine has finally shipped. Wonder when it's going to get here.

AndySlash
12-10-2012, 10:26 PM
1. connect your stereo to the line/mic jack on your laptop. you can use a 1/8 to 1/8 cable for this if your stereo has a headphone jack [can be bought for like two bucks at radioshack]

2. open audacity (http://audacity.sf.net), go to preferences, and set your recording input to line in. set default recording format to WAV (PCM)

3. play the affected portion of the record, hit record in audacity and you have a .wav (or whatever format you choose) -- if your levels are too high, turn down your stereo

[disclaimer: this is a ghetto as shit transfer method but it will get you better audio quality than any youtube video, even if your computer's soundcard sucks fucking balls]


Here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/91s95t

i have an audio technica atlp120 (non usb) and shure m97xe. connected the tt to the line in directly, though via 4-5 sets of shitty 6' rca cables and an rca->1/8 cable.

recorded the last 30 seconds of jellybelly and all of zero. let me know if i fucked up.

i haven't listened to anything else other than lp1 yet (and even that was passively- the shit at the end of zero was enough to get me to notice), so i'm not sure if there is anything else yet.

SlingeroGuitaro
12-10-2012, 11:46 PM
Mine shipped this afternoon. Shows delivery on the 10th.

AndySlash
12-11-2012, 12:07 AM
we're going back... back, to the future!

T&T
12-11-2012, 12:23 AM
listening now to AndySlash's sample
from your sample it does sound like the last 30 seconds of the song does get more crunchy then the first the half. (after the guitar solo "you blame your self" to the end...)
the "she's the one for me" part is especially crunchy.

the waveform in general (Jelly belly too) seem asymmetrical (might be your playback system), but there's nothing that jumps out at me as a blatant mistake.
I really don't think this is something the label will repair, it's 30seconds of overdrive.
it's no worse then the hot mix of TOASE

but the mix on vinyl sounds great. that snare resonating @ 1:40 (emptiness is loneliness) WOW, never popped like that in the CD version.

redbull
12-11-2012, 12:29 AM
Here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/91s95t

i have an audio technica atlp120 (non usb) and shure m97xe. connected the tt to the line in directly, though via 4-5 sets of shitty 6' rca cables and an rca->1/8 cable.

recorded the last 30 seconds of jellybelly and all of zero.

definitely seems like something is off around the 2:45 mark. I emailed it to monte, hopefully it gets run up the chain

redbull
12-11-2012, 12:29 AM
the waveform in general (Jelly belly too) seem asymmetrical (might be your playback system), but there's nothing that jumps out at me as a blatant mistake..

probably just dc offset from the cables, it doesn't look like it clipped at any stage in the transfer to me

T&T
12-11-2012, 12:45 AM
the thread at the hoffman board is quite interesting
EU pressing vs US pressing of the reissue. the EU one doesn't have any problems.

I'm really shocked that some people are getting their box sets shipped without any packaging. shipping label directly on the plastic'd MCIS box. like WTF????
some of the boxes are arriving wreaked.

reprise85
12-11-2012, 01:08 AM
what the hell...?

SlingeroGuitaro
12-11-2012, 01:29 AM
the thread at the hoffman board is quite interesting
EU pressing vs US pressing of the reissue. the EU one doesn't have any problems.



The Beatles new vinyl is the exact same way. EU pressings are perfect while the US versions have tons of non-fill, warpage, and the same distortion problems mentioned here with Zero. Side one of my Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road are unlistenable because of the distortion- it runs through about 3/4 of the disk. Side 2 of Disk 1 of the White Album has a ton of non-fill and skips like crazy.

chrisothoulo
12-11-2012, 04:06 AM
If you get the vinyls at the door, get on amazon and tell them you never got it.. That will teach them.
My CD box needed to have a signature.

Rider
12-11-2012, 10:04 AM
the thread at the hoffman board is quite interesting
EU pressing vs US pressing of the reissue. the EU one doesn't have any problems.

I'm really shocked that some people are getting their box sets shipped without any packaging. shipping label directly on the plastic'd MCIS box. like WTF????
some of the boxes are arriving wreaked.

You can't see the market place forum over there, but in it there is a thread where people talk about this. It's very very common now, almost becoming the norm for Amazon.

AndySlash
12-12-2012, 05:33 PM
There's a topic on the Steve Hoffman forums about the reissue and the vinyl issues: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/smashing-pumpkins-reissues-part-2.303486/

so this popped up by user spooky in that thread

Hey peeps. This is my first post here but I have been reading this thread since getting my Mellon Collie vinyl on release day. I was very eagerly awaiting this release on vinyl and received it from Amazon (US) . I had not read any reviews prior to my first listening, but it was the issues I heard in my initial listenings that brought me here and back to Amazon to read others experiences.

Just for context here is my setup: Pro-Ject Debut 3 turntable with a Grado blue cartridge. A Marantz 2 channel integrated amp. B&W 685 bookshelf speakers. HSU Subwoofer.

In my very first listen to side A - I initially thought somehow my subwoofer settings got changed because of the extreme mid-bass muddiness. After ensuring that my setup was correct, I started to realize that maybe the remaster added too much EQ on the mid-bass range. So I kept listening hoping either I would get used to it or the sounds would magically improve.

Next thing I IMMEDIATELY noticed was severe distortion at the end of 'Zero'. Again, I had not read one review prior to listening and it was so bad that I repled it 3-4 times wondering what the heck was going on. I actually busted out my copy of Steely Dan - Aja to check the sound of my setup and make sure that my entire rig had not gone haywire. That album sounded as good as it ever had so I started to think that I got a bad copy of Mellon vinyl.

The other thing that was bothering me from the get go (and yet another issue that had me questioning my cartridge's tracking) was the imbalance of the stereo image. Every track seemed to heavily favor the left channel. Vocals and drums were much louder on the left leading to a big imbalance.

That's when I found this thread and started to read others having similar experiences. I then went to Amazon and saw all the reviews stating the same things as well.

It seems most are complaining about he distortion, but that actually is the least of the things that bother me about this pressing. The poor stereo imaging and the muddy mid-bass are much more distracting to my ears. Are others not hearing those two issues as much as I am???

Here is my review I posted this morning on Amazon:

So, as many, many others here have stated, this VINYL release is a bad pressing. I REALLY wanted to like this. I listened to each side over and over again to determine if I could live with the issues. Ultimately, I could not.

Here's a list of the issues I could hear:

-Bad stereo imaging: Noticed this one right away. WAY too loud in the left channel compared to the right. Off balance. Was driving me crazy the first couple listens and made me think my tracking was off on my turntable.

-Distortion: Most apparent on the song 'Zero' but evident throughout. I noticed this right away as well. You can't not notice it. When I got to the last minute of 'Zero' I knew this pressing was defective before reading one other review stating the same.

-Extremely muddy mid-bass: This may be due to the remastering but it's nowhere near as bad on the digital version so I will attribute this to a bad pressing as well. Some songs sounds okay but most end up being a muddy, garbled mess around the 80-120hz range.

It's really a shame. Unbelievably beautiful packaging, incredible album, all ruined by atrocious quality control. I doubt we'll ever get a 2nd pressing that addresses these issues but you never know. This one will sting for a while...

t&t notes asymmetry in my sample, but this guy does too, correct? or is channel imbalance not the same? i'd like to think it's not my setup.

opera de nuit
12-12-2012, 06:26 PM
i think mine has this problem. can someone confirm? uploaded a wav for max quality:

http://systemsofromance.com/Other/z.wav

definitely sounds really crunchy at the end. ugh.

AndySlash
12-12-2012, 06:46 PM
yup, sounds like mine.

opera de nuit
12-12-2012, 06:47 PM
balls.

opera de nuit
12-12-2012, 07:11 PM
now the question is to bother returning it to amazon.ca, or just deal with it as it's just one song on an lp i won't listen to back to front all that often...

AndySlash
12-12-2012, 07:55 PM
see if you can somehow get an eu pressing- apparently those are just fine.

T&T
12-12-2012, 09:46 PM
now the question is to bother returning it to amazon.ca, or just deal with it .
if you only paid 30$ I wouldn't bother sending it back
if you paid full price definitely send it back



t&t notes asymmetry in my sample, but this guy does too, correct? or is channel imbalance not the same? i'd like to think it's not my setup.it'd be the same thing,
but it might not even translate on your system
I said 'asymmetrical' as a visual comment looking at the venue.

http://i.imgur.com/4tKhP.jpg
asymmetrical = the bottom halves look chopped off, while the top halves have more peaks.

opera de nuit
12-12-2012, 09:51 PM
yeah, i think i might just hang on to it. the $30 price was right, despite the flaw. and after the amazon canada drama, it might not be worth the effort to send it back and wait for another copy that may have the same issue. are any other songs affected? haven't gotten through the whole set yet. if it's just 'zero' i could probably live...

edit: just tried to look into a replacement via amazon.ca, and since they're still having an issue with stock, can only offer a refund on the item and not an exchange. sigh.

opera de nuit
12-12-2012, 10:17 PM
also, according to discogs, the copy i got from amazon.ca was the euro copy (http://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-And-The-Infinite-Sadness/release/4091614), so that disproves the US vs EU pressing problems. pissed.

slunken
12-12-2012, 11:33 PM
from my experience mcis vinyl owners on discogs aren't to be trusted

T&T
12-13-2012, 04:47 AM
canada's pressing is the US one.
discogs is just wrong.

opera de nuit
12-13-2012, 07:40 AM
makes more sense.

this is my copy, according to barcodes:
http://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-And-The-Infinite-Sadness/release/4091614

Tokyo Jihad
12-13-2012, 08:33 AM
Those barcode numbers (5099997855316) were the numbers etched into the dead wax of my copy. My copy had zero blown out, as well as the end of "Jellybelly" and skipped in several places -- most notably Porcelina as it skipped constantly (though Muzzle and Take Me Down played great.) If that version is european, then there's no way that's the version you necessarily want to get.
I sent my copy back to Amazon, rolling the dice on a second copy. Couldn't be any worse than what I was originally given.

bs1933
12-13-2012, 09:07 AM
Can we start a list of how many people have probably been fired as a result of all the errors on these reissues. Lol

You can probably see a spike in unemployment claims the month after each reissue is released.

sjpaterra
12-13-2012, 09:10 AM
did anyone ever get the details on what happened to KB? why'd he get canned?

opera de nuit
12-13-2012, 10:12 AM
Those barcode numbers (5099997855316) were the numbers etched into the dead wax of my copy. My copy had zero blown out, as well as the end of "Jellybelly" and skipped in several places -- most notably Porcelina as it skipped constantly (though Muzzle and Take Me Down played great.) If that version is european, then there's no way that's the version you necessarily want to get.
I sent my copy back to Amazon, rolling the dice on a second copy. Couldn't be any worse than what I was originally given.

skipping in new vinyl can be common, as debris from the pressing sometimes gets caught in the grooves. best bet is to get a record cleaner or use a brush to clean it before playing. i haven't checked porcelina yet... but i'd recommend a good cleaning before playing any new record, regardless of whether it was sealed or not...

edit: i'm confident that my turntable is set up properly, but it's been a while. i plan to re-align it tonight to make sure.

Tokyo Jihad
12-13-2012, 10:37 AM
I spent a big chunk of time the other night with Porcelina. Cleaning and brushing, testing and repeating. It was consistent and happened frequently enough to really ruin the song. Someone on the hoffman board had a similar/same problem with Porcelina.

opera de nuit
12-13-2012, 10:51 AM
oof. sorry to hear it.

MonteLDS
12-13-2012, 11:11 AM
I am looking for a little more information about this issue, if anyone can help answer these questions

1) Is A+R the manufacturer for the MCIS LP in the USA? http://www.arrecords.com/
2) Who manufactured the EU pressing?
3) I understand ZERO is a constant error on multi LP. But are there other tracks that have an error that have shown up on multi copies from the same manufactures?
4) Do we have an audio sample from those who say their copy is OK.

Rider
12-13-2012, 11:18 AM
also, according to discogs, the copy i got from amazon.ca was the euro copy (http://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-And-The-Infinite-Sadness/release/4091614), so that disproves the US vs EU pressing problems. pissed.

People who put info on discogs are morons. It's amazing they know how to log on to a computer.

Rider
12-13-2012, 11:21 AM
I am looking for a little more information about this issue, if anyone can help answer these questions

1) Is A+R the manufacturer for the MCIS LP in the USA? http://www.arrecords.com/
2) Who manufactured the EU pressing?
3) I understand ZERO is a constant error on multi LP. But are there other tracks that have an error that have shown up on multi copies from the same manufactures?
4) Do we have an audio sample from those who say their copy is OK.


1) Not sure.
2) Pallas
3) I have not heard from anyone I trust about any errors besides Zero. For example above someone complains about a number issues that indicate they should have cleaned the record, yet they mention nothing about cleaning the record.
4) Don't know.

17songs
12-13-2012, 11:43 AM
mine was finally delivered today, and it saddens me to report that both jellybelly and zero are quite unlistenable. i haven't bothered to continue on with the thing.

opera de nuit
12-13-2012, 12:24 PM
one thing to keep in mind is there might be some misalignment with your turntable that causes distortion. i realigned my turntable a while ago, but i plan to redo it tonight just to make sure.

not that i think it's actually going to make much of a difference (because many report the issue is only zero and not in any other song at the end of a side), but i just want to be 100% certain that this issue isn't on my end.

17songs
12-13-2012, 12:44 PM
all of my other albums play fine. but yes, just to be 110% sure, i'll be realigning as well.

slunken
12-13-2012, 01:13 PM
absolutely groundbreaking - sp changes the turntable game

opera de nuit
12-13-2012, 01:23 PM
overthinking and shitty quality control goes a long way.

slunken
12-13-2012, 01:30 PM
its just funny how this repress has so many poeple jumping through so many hoops - even going so far as to suggest people give their home stereos a complete makeover or tuneup

slunken
12-13-2012, 01:30 PM
mcis reissue - the new aja

opera de nuit
12-13-2012, 01:34 PM
i just overthink this stuff anyway and am disappointed about the quality of the vinyl. deep down, i don't actually think a tuneup is going to make any difference, but then i can focus my efforts on getting a new edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReI6gvzVP0Y) or a refund, if i don't move on to something else.

Venom
12-13-2012, 01:42 PM
Ummm, Pallas USA did the US pressings, right? Not the EU ones?

As for the other questions, probably better to sign up to the Steve Hoffman forums and ask the people there for samples and whatnot in the topic.

T&T
12-13-2012, 04:23 PM
I just came back from a friends house who received his yesterday
he's got a great audiophile system that I completely trust, we have listening parties there often enough.
I'm going to report that other songs also have distortion.
none of it as bad as the end of Zero, but it's not as clean as it should be, it's what i'd expect from a cheap pressing with 20+min sides, not 15min sides.
he's got a brush running all the time and porcelina keeps skipping. it's not just dirt in the vinyl.

my vinyl shipped from amazon.ca today, so I'll dump samples when I get it.

Neg_Crepe
12-13-2012, 06:00 PM
I havent tested Zero but Porcelina sounds fine on mine (no distortion/skipping).

Got mine from .ca if it means anything.

sjpaterra
12-13-2012, 06:11 PM
mine still sounds great, doesnt great, and the ends of each side don't distort. mine was from amazon.ca.... wonder what the deal is.

T&T
12-13-2012, 07:04 PM
wanna post vinyl codes?




anyone remember what the extra SD & Gish vinyl remasters had etched into them?
it was some code that read "suck my dick" or "fuck the fans"
I wonder if it could be the same saboteur at work... ???

pavementtune
12-13-2012, 07:40 PM
Looks like Amazon pulled it from their store.

Neg_Crepe
12-13-2012, 08:26 PM
Looks like Amazon pulled it from their store.

Kinda weird. The last reissues had major fuck ups. What a shame.

MonteLDS
12-13-2012, 10:19 PM
OK. I got my copy today. I am gonna do a check on it tomorrow..

just a few things to point out. People are writing Pallas. Sorry to inform you but that is DALLAS. and it is pressed by A+R which is located in Dallas Texas. They have been doing the Smashing Pumpkins pressing since Teargarden (http://s1187.beta.photobucket.com/user/acrecord/media/AR%20Records/pics007-1.jpg.html).
http://www.arrecords.com/index.html

My copy is a P USA
5099997885316
-26098-

slunken
12-13-2012, 10:22 PM
Sorry to inform you

Grox
12-13-2012, 10:30 PM
They have been a lot of the Smashing Pumpkins pressing since Teargarden.

17songs
12-13-2012, 10:43 PM
realigned my table. jellybelly was much better, but zero still goes to shit big time.

slunken
12-13-2012, 10:49 PM
Shocking

mellon_c0llie
12-13-2012, 10:54 PM
On Jellybelly, the bass on the kick drum sounds amazing.

pavementtune
12-13-2012, 11:30 PM
OK. I got my copy today. I am gonna do a check on it tomorrow..

just a few things to point out. People are writing Pallas. Sorry to inform you but that is DALLAS. and it is pressed by A+R which is located in Dallas Texas. They have been doing the Smashing Pumpkins pressing since Teargarden (http://s1187.beta.photobucket.com/user/acrecord/media/AR%20Records/pics007-1.jpg.html).
http://www.arrecords.com/index.html

My copy is a P USA
5099997885316
-26098-

Sorry to inform you, but the European pressing is PALLAS, a major pressing company in Germany.

http://www.pallas-group.de/vinyl.php

butthurt
12-13-2012, 11:39 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pavementtune again.

SlingeroGuitaro
12-13-2012, 11:51 PM
Also pallasusa.com

I'm not sure the guy in Dallas is set up to do large scale pressings like the pumpkins stuff. I think he just masters it to vinyl, and it's actually mass pressed elsewhere.

New Art Rioter
12-14-2012, 01:52 AM
Oceania and Teargarden 1 both sounded like shit too didn't they? Are the same people responsible for Violet Rays sounding like shit?

MonteLDS
12-14-2012, 09:07 AM
so yes i made a mistake they just did the cutting. so all the pressing was done by Pallas? this i guess explains P USA

MonteLDS
12-14-2012, 09:47 AM
OK i got all the info I need for now.

MustardLies
12-14-2012, 10:59 AM
lol

SlingeroGuitaro
12-14-2012, 11:31 AM
Got my copy today. Lots of clicks on side 1 but I haven't washed it yet. Zero doesn't sad bad enough for me to care, but there is a definite loss in fidelity. The Beatles vinyls I bought sound WAY worse.

SlingeroGuitaro
12-14-2012, 11:49 AM
Problems so far:

LP 1 Side 1: off center- quite a bit of 'whooshing.'
Zero isn't unlistenable for me

LP 2 Side 1- fuck you and love mistrack every time it gets loud-possibly cut too loud, possible just dirty (still haven't cleaned them.)


Cleaned all the records. Same problems with fuck you and love and Cupid- didnt listen through Galapagos.

WBFTT has some crappy popping but so far LP 3 is fine.

adamdanger!
12-14-2012, 12:24 PM
Forgive me for asking since search function sucks on my phone, but were there issues with the first 2 vinyl reissues? There was never anything on o-board.

SlingeroGuitaro
12-14-2012, 12:43 PM
Not so much

Edit: I take that back- on my copy there is some static at the beginning of Suffer.

MonteLDS
12-14-2012, 07:47 PM
If your MCIS LP reissue is OK when ZERO is being played I really would like to hear a rip of it.

SlingeroGuitaro
12-14-2012, 11:43 PM
After 2 plays and 2 washes all of the skips/mistracks are gone.

Zero doesn't sound great- it's just not bad enough for me to freak out about. I'll convert it later this weekend or next week if you want me to.

New Art Rioter
12-15-2012, 08:18 AM
My 2 copies finally shipped from Amazon.ca for the princely sum of 15

Will report on quality when they arrive

marce
12-15-2012, 10:58 AM
I am looking for a little more information about this issue, if anyone can help answer these questions

1) Is A+R the manufacturer for the MCIS LP in the USA? http://www.arrecords.com/
2) Who manufactured the EU pressing?
3) I understand ZERO is a constant error on multi LP. But are there other tracks that have an error that have shown up on multi copies from the same manufactures?
4) Do we have an audio sample from those who say their copy is OK.

I am sure you asking for this information so you can help provide a solution, as you did with the PI screw up, where you said "shut up and enjoy"... Hmmm, still waiting for that solution...

marce
12-15-2012, 11:03 AM
I just came back from a friends house who received his yesterday
he's got a great audiophile system that I completely trust, we have listening parties there often enough.
I'm going to report that other songs also have distortion.
none of it as bad as the end of Zero, but it's not as clean as it should be, it's what i'd expect from a cheap pressing with 20+min sides, not 15min sides.
he's got a brush running all the time and porcelina keeps skipping. it's not just dirt in the vinyl.

my vinyl shipped from amazon.ca today, so I'll dump samples when I get it.

Another solution for records with dirt or debris is to press very softly downwards on the cartridge/needle and play the record backwards where it skips. It has worked great with old records for me, but the problem here seems to be a manufacturing issue more than debris.

New Art Rioter
12-19-2012, 01:29 PM
My copies arrived today. In general impressed with the packaging etc. Both books are nicely done and the box and picture sleeves are lovely. Zero is distorted and doesn't sound good, but not as bad as the video posted. Amazed they cut it so close, there's only a few mm between the end of the track and the label. The paper sleeve that doesn't fit into the inner is also strange as is the fact that there's nowhere for the wrapabout tracklisting on the back to go. Minor issues though compared to the lack of quality control with the cut.

vajohna
12-20-2012, 02:34 AM
I am sure you asking for this information so you can help provide a solution, as you did with the PI screw up, where you said "shut up and enjoy"... Hmmm, still waiting for that solution...

Plus one, this fucking turd nugget.

themadcaplaughs
12-20-2012, 08:02 AM
Monte's gonna press some new vinyl himself.

MonteLDS
12-20-2012, 09:18 AM
I am sure you asking for this information so you can help provide a solution, as you did with the PI screw up, where you said "shut up and enjoy"... Hmmm, still waiting for that solution...

I don't have control over turning on the solutions but not telling me the information i need will just keep things stopped where they are.

Cool As Ice Cream
12-20-2012, 09:42 AM
fuck off, monty.

MonteLDS
12-20-2012, 09:55 AM
fuck off, monty.

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Mo
12-20-2012, 10:31 AM
Ooh, burn.

Rider
12-20-2012, 01:04 PM
I don't have control over turning on the solutions but not telling me the information i need will just keep things stopped where they are.

Yes go tell Billy that Dallas USA fucked up the pressing of his album.

Cool As Ice Cream
12-21-2012, 08:17 AM
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MONTY MONTY MONTY

marce
12-21-2012, 10:46 AM
I don't have control over turning on the solutions but not telling me the information i need will just keep things stopped where they are.

Then don't act like you do. Just "shut up and enjoy"...

slunken
12-21-2012, 11:24 AM
yes but

Crestfallen.com is a premier news blog for the latest information about the Smashing Pumpkins.
HISTORY

Crestfallen was created by Smashing Pumpkins fan, known online as MonteLDS (commonly referred to as Monte) with a vision of a site that would deliver the latest Smashing Pumpkins news with a non-opinionated approach, along with a desire to run a fan based call-in radio talk show so that other fans voices could be heard on current Smashing Pumpkins topics.

marce
12-21-2012, 05:02 PM
:)

lucca
12-21-2012, 05:04 PM
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/11740529/img/11740529.jpg

T&T
12-21-2012, 10:12 PM
^^ billy was wearing the striped B&W back in the 90's too?

slunken
12-21-2012, 10:38 PM
i thought that was the whole point

pavementtune
12-21-2012, 11:40 PM
I don't have control over turning on the solutions but not telling me the information i need will just keep things stopped where they are.

Monte, the mighty things stopper:


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/smashingpumpkins-melloncollie/

sjpaterra
12-22-2012, 12:36 PM
monte is a fucking faggot, BRAM

pavementtune
12-22-2012, 01:43 PM
MonteLDS Today, 11:42 AM
i have always had issues with these "petition" things because unless they go viral or are properly presented to someone with some authority it just kind of seems meaning-less. I am sure others will agree with me and won't sign because of that. Where others who don't have a copy might just sign for the sake of signing... but just for some knowledge if you hadn't heard this yet, I have informed Billy about the issue and as what I know of the situation things are still fluid now. if i hear of anything that I can tell fans I will gladly do so.

Mo
12-22-2012, 02:17 PM
It really says a lot about the current status of The Smashing Pumpkins that an imbecile fucking creep like MonteLDS has access to Corgan on a somewhat regular basis.

T&T
12-22-2012, 03:41 PM
it says something about billy that his fan liaison is monte.

starlightvideoproductions
12-23-2012, 06:37 PM
For what its worth, I've listened to sides A - D with out any issue. My set up is a technics direct drive player with a modded grado cart.

stumpycat
12-23-2012, 09:51 PM
it says something about billy that his fan liaison is monte.
Well with his special needs brother and all, Billy is now the official champion of neurodiversity.

pavementtune
12-23-2012, 10:58 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/bfl1u.jpg



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7quKALvUM54" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

DiscoJon
12-27-2012, 04:34 AM
Amazon isn't even carrying the MCIS reissue anymore.

http://www.amazon.com/Mellon-Infinite-Sadness-Smashing-Pumpkins/dp/B008Z9L94O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1356604377&sr=8-3&keywords=mellon+collie+and+the+infinite+sadness

meangreensp
12-27-2012, 09:15 AM
For what its worth, I've listened to sides A - D with out any issue. My set up is a technics direct drive player with a modded grado cart.

I don't think all of them are screwed up. Mine has no tracking problems and 0% distortion through a ProJect w/AT 8008 cart & a Marantz receiver. Either way, this is unacceptable, there needs to be a recall. Monte, why don't you actually DO SOMETHING USEFUL and get a response from Corg.

adamdanger!
12-27-2012, 12:01 PM
Has anyone from the USA tried returning their bad copy to Amazon.ca? I'm curious if they actually bother to make you send it back if you got it at the $26ish price. I would think they would lose $having you ship it back.

MonteLDS
12-28-2012, 09:45 AM
I don't think all of them are screwed up. Mine has no tracking problems and 0% distortion through a ProJect w/AT 8008 cart & a Marantz receiver. Either way, this is unacceptable, there needs to be a recall. Monte, why don't you actually DO SOMETHING USEFUL and get a response from Corg.

The message has been passed on and I have contacted a number of people about the issue and its now in the hands of SP.

sppunk
12-28-2012, 09:53 AM
Amazon pulling these night be Corgan's Biggest Blunder.

He's an absolute train wreck of a businessman.

opera de nuit
12-28-2012, 10:27 AM
Has anyone from the USA tried returning their bad copy to Amazon.ca? I'm curious if they actually bother to make you send it back if you got it at the $26ish price. I would think they would lose $having you ship it back.


i'm holding off on sending mine back at the moment to see what, if anything, the fix will entail. according to amazon's policy, i have until the end of january to decide.

adamdanger!
12-28-2012, 10:37 AM
i'm holding off on sending mine back at the moment to see what, if anything, the fix will entail. according to amazon's policy, i have until the end of january to decide.
Yeah, I have until January 31. Just curious because I've done returns through Amazon before where they gave me a refund and told me to just keep the defective merchandise. Always try to game the system bro.

slunken
12-28-2012, 01:09 PM
there won't be any repress

Pizza Club
12-28-2012, 02:23 PM
there won't be any repress

This. Even if there were, they are so backed up right now that who knows when it'd actually be "fixed".

Muzz1e
01-06-2013, 02:49 AM
I just want Billy to fucking acknowledge this. Say he is fucking sorry.

I realize that the likely hood of this getting repressed and us all gettign a new copy is pretty fucking unlikely, but man... I find it a little sleazy there has been no official statement saying, "Hey, I know there is a problem. I"m sorry. We're looking into things."

This isn't a cheap vinyl pruchase and many of us have been awaiting this for a long time. The hunt for a legit first press that isn't a boot can lead to spending a decent chunk of change and this reissue brought hope to people who don't want to drop $250 on a first press.

I have held my tongue for a long time on the many Corgan blunders of the past 10 (at least) years, but I can't this time.

THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

I feel so ripped off paying $90 bucks at my local record store. This is a classic album, one of the best of the 90's and certainly of the Pumpkins career, I cannot believe this big of an audio mistake (on one of the bands trademark fucking songs) passed by with no notice.

I just want Billy to suck it up and say he is sorry.

I don't give a fuck about Monte saying, "Billy is working on it." Or whatever. I want to hear it from Billy.

Monte said we were getting a Pisces fix, still haven't seen that.

Less Monte, more Billy.

PS- I also paid for the fucking CD boxset, because I wanted the extras and all that. So, considering I have about $200 wrapped up in this, don't bullshit me. Acknowledge the problem, dude. Come on. I know a lot of others feel the same way.

T&T
01-06-2013, 05:57 AM
^^ wrong board dude.

starlightvideoproductions
01-06-2013, 11:07 AM
All 4 records played flawlessly for me. Sound quality is great, no complaints from me in the least.

meangreensp
01-06-2013, 04:18 PM
All 4 records played flawlessly for me. Sound quality is great, no complaints from me in the least.

They aren't all messed up...most are, though. I got lucky.

Venom
01-06-2013, 06:26 PM
EU copies of the vinyl reissue seem to be fine. If you want a good copy of the vinyl, just import a copy?

meangreensp
01-06-2013, 06:58 PM
Well, I actually just went through the vinyl, loud, on some headphones and yeah, my Zero is screwed up. I was reading online and I think it really varies on some carts vs others. I don't think it's based on how high-end your stuff is, just how it plays with the record. Mine is quite noticeable, on headphones. My Sennheisers picked it up easily. However, I really have no channel/volume/skip issues except Side B came dirty as hell. It's hard to pick up on my speakers, though which is why I missed it on speakers.

stumpycat
01-06-2013, 08:49 PM
I just want Billy to fucking acknowledge this. Say he is fucking sorry.


I think why you haven't heard anything is because Billy is too fucking cheap these days to hire a professional social media guy and/or band publicist to keep tabs on what's going on "out there" and to respond in an appropriate and timely manner. If he did, you could bet your ass they would have responded, at the least, in a canned acknowledgement of the problem to avoid the negative publicity it might potentially cause if not contained.

Cool As Ice Cream
01-07-2013, 01:31 AM
EU copies of the vinyl reissue seem to be fine. If you want a good copy of the vinyl, just import a copy?

yeah, they're only 140. why not?

T&T
01-07-2013, 06:07 AM
If you want a good copy of the vinyl, just buy it a second time?
:think:

Cool As Ice Cream
01-07-2013, 06:12 AM
modderfokker

Raskolnikov
01-07-2013, 11:03 AM
modderfokker

<img src=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S57a5hzjIBk/Tp8jha02TlI/AAAAAAAADoM/HTBSPE-tw5M/s1600/theroom.jpg>

myosis
01-07-2013, 08:20 PM
why don't you yourselves take action on the issue?
your vinyl is defective... return your copies, ask for a refund.

killtrocity
01-07-2013, 09:48 PM
MYOSIS YOU RUIN MY LIFE

AndySlash
01-08-2013, 02:22 PM
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Run To Me
11-09-2015, 04:13 PM
Sorry to bump with nothing but Q's, but...

Is the MCIS vinyl reissue ever getting a repress? It appears I can't even buy the (possibly) bad pressing anywhere online unless it's from eBay scammers who're marking it up like nuts... Every merchant's page says "awaiting repress" or "temporarily out of stock." Best Buy says something about expect restocking in 8 wks but sounds kinda like boilerplate/BS...

Also did anyone get refunds or a better copy?

Panama Fuck
11-09-2015, 04:16 PM
Sorry to bump with nothing but Q's, but...

Is the MCIS vinyl reissue ever getting a repress? It appears I can't even buy the (possibly) bad pressing anywhere online unless it's from eBay scammers who're marking it up like nuts... Every merchant's page says "awaiting repress" or "temporarily out of stock." Best Buy says something about expect restocking in 8 wks but sounds kinda like boilerplate/BS...

Also did anyone get refunds or a better copy?

It might get restocked at some point, but apparently some rights/label issues have popped up recently so who know when. Supposedly it's so fucked that Machina is currently on an indefinite hold.

Panama Fuck
11-09-2015, 04:35 PM
Sorry to bump with nothing but Q's, but...

Is the MCIS vinyl reissue ever getting a repress? It appears I can't even buy the (possibly) bad pressing anywhere online unless it's from eBay scammers who're marking it up like nuts... Every merchant's page says "awaiting repress" or "temporarily out of stock." Best Buy says something about expect restocking in 8 wks but sounds kinda like boilerplate/BS...

Also did anyone get refunds or a better copy?

http://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-And-The-Infinite-Sadness/release/7139534

It looks like it was recently repressed. So it might not be pressed again for a bit. I'd say the 130ish this is going for on Discogs isn't that bad.

slunken
11-09-2015, 04:45 PM
Early US copies were defective. A replacement disc was offered. EU copies were fine. Subsequent pressings have been from the EU master.

Run To Me
11-09-2015, 07:04 PM
Great, thanks! I scoured the board and was checking steve hoffman but couldn't find any info newer than like 2014.

Hmmmm $130 my god how does bill get away with this? That I'm even considering it....

Run To Me
12-26-2015, 11:26 AM
Yay guys, it's been repressed and restocked, if anyone's still looking for it.

Best price looks like jet.com at ~$75

D.
12-26-2015, 11:30 AM
If I'm buying it off Amazon or somewhere online, what identifiers are there so i can tell if I'm getting a clean copy?

D.
12-26-2015, 11:33 AM
Yay guys, it's been repressed and restocked, if anyone's still looking for it.

Best price looks like jet.com at ~$75
Is this the vinyl or CDs. Doesn't specify, unless I'm missing something.

https://jet.com/product/MELLON-COLLIE-and-THE-INFINITE-SADNESS/afca801579044f4eba8335bd3392cdd2

Run To Me
12-26-2015, 11:59 AM
Mfg # 5099997855316 matches that listed on discogs for the vinyl:


http://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-And-The-Infinite-Sadness/release/4082874

I imagine since this is a new press this will be from the EU (clean) master

Gavvvvvin
12-26-2015, 09:00 PM
Sorry to bump with nothing but Q's, but...

Is the MCIS vinyl reissue ever getting a repress? It appears I can't even buy the (possibly) bad pressing anywhere online unless it's from eBay scammers who're marking it up like nuts... Every merchant's page says "awaiting repress" or "temporarily out of stock." Best Buy says something about expect restocking in 8 wks but sounds kinda like boilerplate/BS...

Also did anyone get refunds or a better copy?

$80 on importcds.com.

FoolofaTook
12-28-2015, 09:41 AM
I downloaded a boris discography once and it had these vinyls rips that were like woah! hella gigabytes and shit up in this bitch

grape
12-30-2015, 09:41 PM
It's in stock on Amazon again for $78. I have never heard of jet.com don't know if $3 is worth my credit card info.

werideatdusk
12-30-2015, 11:44 PM
for what its worth, i have the first press of the US reissue and it sounds fine, other than the zero issue. Actually sounds quite fantastic. i was one of the lucky fucks who got it when canadian amazon mistakenly listed it for 27 bucks for a day

opera de nuit
01-02-2016, 02:07 PM
Early US copies were defective. A replacement disc was offered. EU copies were fine. Subsequent pressings have been from the EU master.

they offered a replacement disc? is that still a thing, or?

FoolofaTook
01-03-2016, 10:04 AM
is your mother still a whore, or?

sjpaterra
01-03-2016, 10:11 AM
I had a defective doors vinyl box set that was completely sold out and listed as unavailable on the amazon page. This is probably like 5-6 years ago now. Anyway, it was defective originally and they offered replacements. Long story short: I bought mine after all that drama, years later, they still sold me a defective one. After bitching and complaining they somehow managed to ship me a brand new one and I got to keep the defective one. So I'd say a replacement set isn't out of the question

New Art Rioter
01-03-2016, 12:44 PM
for what its worth, i have the first press of the US reissue and it sounds fine, other than the zero issue. Actually sounds quite fantastic. i was one of the lucky fucks who got it when canadian amazon mistakenly listed it for 27 bucks for a day

Same, I got a couple of copies that day. Zero is a bit distorted, but otherwise as I recall the rest is great. It's annoying, but hard to complain for such a cheap price.

ninsp
01-05-2016, 11:44 AM
I would love a replacement vinyl. Mine sounds like ass.

TheDeuce
01-05-2016, 05:48 PM
wtf?!