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WeilandFan
08-14-2012, 04:59 PM
http://grungereport.net/?p=13725

brutechinasky
08-14-2012, 05:01 PM
cool story bro

BasedGod
08-14-2012, 06:05 PM
>implying soundgarden didn't reunite for money

porte peinte
08-14-2012, 06:12 PM
grunge report

porte peinte
08-14-2012, 06:14 PM
clear browsing data

D.
08-14-2012, 06:20 PM
A post by someone named WeilandFan posting about Soundgarden and linking to a website called GrungeReport.

In 2012.

D.
08-14-2012, 06:22 PM
Let's just let my post marinate for a moment, shall we?

Order 66
08-14-2012, 06:25 PM
i thought they were writing new material...?

brutechinasky
08-14-2012, 06:46 PM
yeah, but they're doing it for money

Trotskilicious
08-14-2012, 06:47 PM
unlike billy corgan

brutechinasky
08-14-2012, 06:51 PM
he's just doing it for the lolz

Rider
08-14-2012, 07:16 PM
How much did Billy and Jimmy whore themselves out for doing those meet and greets?

Rider
08-14-2012, 07:17 PM
Seriously what the fuck is it with him and Pavement?

aztec litany service
08-14-2012, 07:28 PM
so what if ppl do reunion tours for money. isn't that why ppl tour in general?

reprise85
08-14-2012, 07:49 PM
billy is pure at heart

RenewRevive
08-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Seriously what the fuck is it with him and Pavement?

it's like a psychosis.

one of these days a clued-up interviewer is gonna fail to let out an enormous guffaw when billy off-handedly puts down pavement again. and corgan will be all bemused.

aztec litany service
08-16-2012, 09:58 PM
A post by someone named WeilandFan posting about Soundgarden and linking to a website called GrungeReport.

In 2012.

both weiland and sg are arguably more well-regarded than sp and we're posting on a sp board in 2012.

brutechinasky
08-16-2012, 10:13 PM
Seriously what the fuck is it with him and Pavement?

in before courtney and malkmus

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 12:12 AM
billy is pure at heart

Oh, the pain of being...

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 03:08 AM
so what if ppl do reunion tours for money. isn't that why ppl tour in general?

seriously, even rational indie fans don't care

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 03:09 AM
both weiland and sg are arguably more well-regarded than sp

holy fuck you are out of touch

maybe soundgarden, <i>maybe</I>. stp & scott weiland are roundly mocked. i thought you lived in austin, do you live in bizzaro austin or something?

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 03:10 AM
Seriously what the fuck is it with him and Pavement?

god damn who knows, even jay z and nas buried beef

Ihaguitar
08-17-2012, 01:50 PM
I have so many thoughts, but the prevailing one is that this guy is just ignorant. Does he ever have anything nice to say about anybody?

Sums Billy up really doesnt it.

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 02:57 PM
I can see how folks might mock STP/Weiland, but I've seen these guys live at least 5 times in the last 12 yrs or so, and ALL were GREAT shows.. The De-Leo brothers are excellent musicians and I love seeing them play, even if they keep playing all the old shit..

god fucking dammit

stumpycat
08-17-2012, 03:46 PM
OMG! A band is making money off touring. What a scandal. Hell, if we've decided not to buy albums anymore it's fair enough that fans can show patronage by purchasing merchandise, seeing them perform live, etc.

It reminds me of the joke I've heard about Willie Nelson (around these parts, at least) which is that he does a few shows whenever he's got some marijuana fines to pay off. Self fund raising, if you will.

BlissedandGone2
08-17-2012, 04:08 PM
I can see how folks might mock STP/Weiland, but I've seen these guys live at least 5 times in the last 12 yrs or so, and ALL were GREAT shows..

you're such a joke

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 04:15 PM
well i mean if you've never had anything but oatmeal in your entire life a hot dog would be the most incredible thing you've ever eaten

Ihaguitar
08-17-2012, 04:16 PM
Billy why did you unleash 12 different versions of Zietshite again?

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 04:18 PM
artistic integrity

Cowlishaw
08-17-2012, 05:30 PM
Why is he reissuing the entire catalog again?

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 05:41 PM
well i mean if you've never had anything but oatmeal in your entire life a hot dog would be the most incredible thing you've ever eaten

Pretentious little shit snot.

Kahlo
08-17-2012, 05:51 PM
Remembering to entertain the audience vs entertaining yourself (and still failing)

ie: most stadium bands vs Billy's take on live shows

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 05:52 PM
I pronounce Kahlo as callow.

Ihaguitar
08-17-2012, 05:54 PM
I pronounce Kahlo as callow.

Kah-low

Kahlo
08-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Del!

Kahlo
08-17-2012, 05:54 PM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/9/16/1284647489325/simon-callow-001.jpg

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 05:58 PM
Kah-low

Get out of my brain you do not belong there you are trying to tell me something i know is wrong

Kahlo
08-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Spankarine?

IAMTHETABLE!!

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 06:09 PM
Kah-low

Listen, I'm not going to fall into your trap of self-delusion unless it's on a grand scale

reprise85
08-17-2012, 06:20 PM
cal-oh

Ihaguitar
08-17-2012, 06:22 PM
rep-rise

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 06:34 PM
Ee-hah gee-tar

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 06:40 PM
Pretentious little shit snot.

knowing things is stupid amirite

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 06:59 PM
knowing things is stupid amirite

You can know things and not prefer them, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Have some oatmeal man

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 07:43 PM
so what do you think about nickelback, limp bizkit, korn, et al

Trotskilicious
08-17-2012, 07:43 PM
how about "hipster bands" ?

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-17-2012, 08:43 PM
The first group of bands you listed are awful, irrelevant early aughts ear-rape. What does this have to do with hispter bands?

what is the green grass if oil spills on it? in five years, what is it? tumbleweeds, man. tumbleweeds.

Cowlishaw
08-17-2012, 10:39 PM
so what do you think about nickelback, limp bizkit, korn, et al

Even those bands thought Oceania was bad.

subzero
08-17-2012, 11:25 PM
ahhh the quarterly thread that gets sidetracked into stp hatred

Ihaguitar
08-18-2012, 04:50 AM
Ee-hah gee-tar

Well that's how I say it.:)

SPLATTER
08-18-2012, 10:13 AM
I love how he says its ok to play for money as long as you admit it ... like, why or even how would someone do that? does he really think it'd be appropriate for malkmus to say we're back for money? is that the reality billy thinks is desirable or acceptable? That'd be analogous to any of us going into work on monday, calling our bosses into a conference room and saying 'listen, i just want to confess something to you. if there was no paychecks doled out on friday, i wouldn't be here.'

brutechinasky
08-18-2012, 11:20 AM
well the sex pistols did that

tim2nyy
08-20-2012, 12:35 AM
Billy has no need for your petty, superficial legal tender.

meangreensp
08-20-2012, 01:03 AM
I love how he says its ok to play for money as long as you admit it ... like, why or even how would someone do that? does he really think it'd be appropriate for malkmus to say we're back for money? is that the reality billy thinks is desirable or acceptable? That'd be analogous to any of us going into work on monday, calling our bosses into a conference room and saying 'listen, i just want to confess something to you. if there was no paychecks doled out on friday, i wouldn't be here.'

I'm pretty sure that if you went to your boss and said "I'm just here for the money," they'd say "So am I."

That's a really stupid and naive comment.

Trotskilicious
08-20-2012, 01:35 AM
The first group of bands you listed are awful, irrelevant early aughts ear-rape. What does this have to do with hispter bands?

nothing, i was just seeing if it was okay to hate on those bands effectively branding you a hypocrite

what's wrong with nickelback, man, you're so pretentious

Monet LSD
08-22-2012, 12:07 AM
Preview of a new song:

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pavementtune
08-22-2012, 12:23 AM
Doesn't sound bad imo. Album should be out 13.11.2012, I believe. "King Animal" is a crappy album title, though.

amoergosum
08-22-2012, 02:57 AM
Doesn't sound bad imo. Album should be out 13.11.2012, I believe. "King Animal" is a crappy album title, though.

I guess the guy who's responsible for the awful cover of Telephantasm came up with that title.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515H0und0bL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

amoergosum
08-23-2012, 04:36 PM
...such an incredible performance >>>

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Ihaguitar
08-29-2012, 04:52 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_07ZE5biJmYg/Sh2yLhP_cUI/AAAAAAAAAz0/u5QERSfGMmo/s320/Supergrass%2B-%2BIn%2BIt%2BFor%2BThe%2BMoney.jpg

Trotskilicious
08-29-2012, 04:57 PM
<img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5v1qmcrmzVs/UClDlApnWtI/AAAAAAAABCE/bnZrSuE3EV4/s1600/03-67-the_who_sell_out.jpg">

remd3
08-29-2012, 06:56 PM
Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of A shitty 44 song release.

jeff O)))
08-29-2012, 09:28 PM
townshend is a pedo

Trotskilicious
08-29-2012, 10:39 PM
sure is

brutechinasky
08-29-2012, 10:54 PM
http://midnightpunk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/album-the-mothers-of-invention-were-only-in-it-for-the-money.jpg

amoergosum
08-31-2012, 06:34 PM
Ahhhh...here we go >>>

A few weeks ago, Corgan took a shot at Soundgarden, returning fire at the grunge legends and their reunion. “There are those bands that are essentially coming back only to make money … I was a fan of Soundgarden, but call it for what it is. They’re just out there to have one more round at the till.”

Today, (Aug. 31) Corgan appeared on the Area 93.3 radio channel and wen’t further in depth about his feud with Cornell and Soundgarden. “Well there’s a little bit of a backstory there,” begins Corgan. “Chris Cornell was somebody I considered a friend, and would never have said a harsh word about. When the band came back in 2007, he was quoted in an interview saying basically he didn’t consider our reunion to be, in quotations, to be ‘legitimate.’ I kind of have an elephant’s memory when it comes to somebody punching me in the face.”

He continues, “Cornell’s one of those people who is extremely talented, I was a fan from literally their 2nd EP, met him in 1991 and still believe in what was great about the band. But when we’re sitting there having conversations about who is doing what, I am no longer going to shield somebody, if they want to punch me in the face I’m happy to punch them back in the face. Respect the man’s talent, People gloss over the Timbaland album, [Laughs] you know what I mean? My point is look, I don’t have any specific bone to pick, even though I just made a specific case for one. My point is don’t lump us in with people who are sort of just doing the reunion lap. Now, of course fans are lighting up my Twitter saying do you realize Soundgarden is doing a new album, well if they are great, that’s what they should be doing. Great musicians they should make new music and hopefully they’ll make great albums because we need artists to make great albums and great music in this day and age of the robots and the posers and the faux hawks bands.”

Corgan concludes, “Does it make sense; do I sound like a fan? Because I am a fan. I want all of my generation to raise the bar, and I don’t appreciate when somebody from my generation, who I once considered a friend, decides to piss on my little spot in the corner for whatever reason at the same time he’s making the Timbaland album, you know what I mean? That’s where it gets kind of dicey for me, so that’s sort of the real back story of where that came from.”

Source:
http://loudwire.com/billy-corgan-claims-chris-cornell-started-war-of-words/

reprise85
08-31-2012, 06:40 PM
so is billy taking his private life to interviews or does he have no private life because who the fuck cares about his little feuds with EVERYBODY

Trotskilicious
08-31-2012, 07:10 PM
he's so self-obsessed that he babbles relentlessly during interviews, thinking everything he thinks needs to be said aloud

ChaosEffect
08-31-2012, 09:20 PM
chris Cornell's songbook album pwnz anything by billy in the last several years and thats putting it lightly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk8GEqw2LQ
this link tells all.

Rider
09-01-2012, 04:26 AM
chris Cornell's songbook album pwnz anything by billy in the last several years and thats putting it lightly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk8GEqw2LQ
this link tells all.

I love the way everyone ignores Scream. Let's not pretend Cornell didn't spend a decade putting out crap and finally managed to put out one good album

killtrocity
09-01-2012, 12:41 PM
well i mean if you've never had anything but oatmeal in your entire life a hot dog would be the most incredible thing you've ever eaten

...


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCjH4MZ8R1pjvS2I08QGqbJi6gwWHlL og5WsV8MXAgEyq0iw6lDQ&t=1

subzero
09-02-2012, 09:21 AM
lol billy is pathetic

amoergosum
09-12-2012, 05:34 PM
Doesn't sound bad imo. Album should be out 13.11.2012, I believe. "King Animal" is a crappy album title, though.

Yep...and the name of the single is even crappier >>>

Soundgarden have sent out their new single “Been Away Too Long” to some radio stations, and many hope to debut it this weekend. There is screaming and loud guitars in the song. The song is the lead single off of the band’s new album King Animal, which also features Worse Dreams, Blood on the Valley Floor, and A Thousand Days Before. The album will be released on November 13th, with a tour to follow.

Source:
http://grungereport.net/?p=15261

redbull
09-12-2012, 06:10 PM
guys let's talk about the who sell out

fucking brilliant album

Trotskilicious
09-12-2012, 10:52 PM
i can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles

houseofglass11
09-12-2012, 10:56 PM
chris Cornell's songbook album pwnz anything by billy in the last several years and thats putting it lightly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk8GEqw2LQ
this link tells all.

That was OK, but kinda meh overall. Billy's done lots of songs better than this in the past few years.

ChaosEffect
09-13-2012, 01:15 PM
That was OK, but kinda meh overall. Billy's done lots of songs better than this in the past few years.

You know nothing of cornell.

amoergosum
09-27-2012, 04:35 PM
"Been Away Too Long" from the new album "King Animal"
>>>


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Trotskilicious
09-27-2012, 08:14 PM
the first single is a me<e>ta reference to their breakup. not good.

TuralyonW3
09-28-2012, 11:11 PM
song sucks fuckin cock

LalaPumpkinhead
09-29-2012, 01:16 AM
been away too long ain't very good

Morlock
09-29-2012, 11:09 AM
song sucks fuckin cock


I think it kicks ass!

amoergosum
09-29-2012, 12:43 PM
“When we started talking about making a new album, this was almost two years ago, I was sitting around and one night having trouble sleeping. I was thinking of new Soundgarden songs and the music in my head was some sort of uptempo kind of Soundgarden version of a punk rock song, but not Been Away Too Long. And that line sort of flashed across as I was just kind of listening to what I call brain radio, and I thought wow that would be a great new Soundgarden song. Then I forgot it, completely. The music was something else that I had written and demoed in a fairly compact form without a bridge really it was like verse chorus solo with no lyrics no vocals nothing and played it for the band and they really liked it. We worked on it as a band arranging it, Ben came up with kind of a jammy bridge section that was really cool and we recorded it like that and it was done but I had still never wrote anything. Towards the end when we were almost to mixing and we were finished with the album I was having trouble sleeping one night and I remembered that line and thought, this would be really great for like a first Soundgarden single. But as I started to write the lyrics then it became more autobiographical and it became real. I don’t think I would write lyrics to a Soundgarden album that would be like Eminem writing lyrics to a new Eminem song, which is essentially telling the story of the making of the album and where he feels he exists in pop culture and that kind of thing. So it’s not really that, it’s more autobiographical and more of a look back at history in sort of a strange atmospheric way, the way that I write. But the initial spark of the idea did feel like it would be right in the narrative of, yes we’ve been out and we’ve been gone for 15 years and now we’re back. It’s about time, and we still have something to say about rock music that no one else is saying and I feel confident about saying that.”

Source:
http://grungereport.net/?p=16146

Pizza Club
09-29-2012, 01:46 PM
IIIIIIIIITTT STINKS

amoergosum
10-31-2012, 01:31 PM
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LalaPumpkinhead
10-31-2012, 01:47 PM
last part of the song is cool ... first part of the song is meh. but it has something in it

Venom
10-31-2012, 02:07 PM
Not too bad, not too good either. Sounds like there's some organ used in the choruses.

Catherine Wheel
11-04-2012, 04:38 PM
I'm pissed off that Live To Rise isn't going to be on the new album. What an amazing song that was. But on the other hand Non State Actor is quite good and is getting me pumped for this release.

amoergosum
11-06-2012, 05:48 AM
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Morlock
11-06-2012, 06:11 AM
Wow. The music is more cumbersome than I expected. Since this is Soundgarden, this is a good thing.

redbreegull
11-06-2012, 12:12 PM
eh, not awful.

Kahlo
11-06-2012, 01:37 PM
pretty fucking dull. What is the point of this band (this applies to SP as well I guess....)

redbreegull
11-06-2012, 02:17 PM
Oceania is definitely better than those songs

cardiac
11-07-2012, 06:21 AM
By Crooked Steps is fantastic. Shits all over Oceania.

redbreegull
11-07-2012, 03:55 PM
no way man, those songs are weaksauce

Catherine Wheel
11-07-2012, 04:01 PM
I've heard the album. It's pretty solid. Been Away Too Long, Non State Actor, By Crooked Steps, Blood on Valley Floor, Bones of Birds, Attrition, Halfway There, Worse Dreams and Rowing are all great songs. The rest of material is just decent. Rowing is a straight up blues song with very soulful singing. Easily the best track on the album.

Morlock
11-07-2012, 04:57 PM
They only doing for the money, which is why they put so much effort into an excellent, super tight album which is better than anything Billy put out since Zwan.

Stream:
http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=1&p=12961&title=soundgarden_king_animal_album_stream&more=1&c=1

Morlock
11-07-2012, 05:00 PM
I've heard the album. It's pretty solid. Been Away Too Long, Non State Actor, By Crooked Steps, Blood on Valley Floor, Bones of Birds, Attrition, Halfway There, Worse Dreams and Rowing are all great songs. The rest of material is just decent. Rowing is a straight up blues song with very soulful singing. Easily the best track on the album.

That's 9/13 being great, the rest decent. Not too terrible if you ask me.

I'm on my first listen and enjoying it A LOT so far.

Catherine Wheel
11-07-2012, 05:09 PM
Actually I think its a toss up between Bones of Birds and Rowing for best song off the album. Bones of Birds is very touching and heart-wrenching. Better than most of Down On The Upside. Didn't think Chris still had it in him to write something like that.

Morlock
11-07-2012, 05:18 PM
The whole band sounds great, but to me this sounds like a Kim Thayil album. He really shines here. Matt is also fantastic, though I like it more when it plays a but more loose like on Down on the Upside and his first two albums with Pearl Jam.

Catherine Wheel
11-07-2012, 05:23 PM
To me this still feels like Chris dominated the songwriting. Kim doesn't really stand out on this very much. I would even say Matt is more distinctive on this album than Kim is. The psychedelia that was apparent on DOTUS and Superunknown is all gone.

Morlock
11-07-2012, 05:27 PM
I don't know. I hear a lot of the Asian influences Kim always brought to the table.

It will be interesting to see the credits.

Halfway There is the song that comes closes to Cornell's solo stuff. It's his version of Beatles pop. The song has a good spot on the album. His voice sounds excellent, btw. This albums makes me want to see this band play live.

amoergosum
11-08-2012, 03:04 AM
His voice sounds excellent, btw. This albums makes me want to see this band play live.

Yep...they still sound fantastic live...Matt Cameron is THE man >>>

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Trotskilicious
11-08-2012, 03:10 AM
soundgarden? more like toiletgarden

meangreensp
11-08-2012, 12:11 PM
This is really boring as fuck. Oceania shits all over this album. And Chris's voice is trash. Soundgarden was always a second tier grunge band.

These are just...really...tiring songs.

Trotskilicious
11-08-2012, 01:41 PM
oceania sucks just as much as this

stumpycat
11-08-2012, 02:31 PM
Not that this current output is anything to write home about...but how in the hell could Soundgarden be considered a "second tier" grunge band from a historical perspective? They were one of the early hard rock grunge bands (from the mid-80's), the guys knew their instruments well, and Chris's voice had great range, projection, and strength.

Catherine Wheel
11-08-2012, 04:15 PM
This new album is definitely a step above Oceania. It's a solid B while Oceania is nothing better than a C.

redbreegull
11-08-2012, 05:23 PM
Soundgarden was always a second tier grunge band.

shut your damn mouth

Venom
11-08-2012, 06:14 PM
I wouldn't even call Soundgarden a grunge band like I wouldn't call Alice In Chains a grunge band either, honestly.

redbreegull
11-08-2012, 06:46 PM
what the fuck is grunge, that's not a real thing, I thought we all realized this when we were 16

none of these bands are stylistically alike, other than heavy abrasive guitar music. They get lumped together cause they were in the same "scene" or whatever

milk-plus
11-08-2012, 07:53 PM
grunge is a myth

Cowlishaw
11-08-2012, 07:53 PM
what the fuck is grunge, that's not a real thing, I thought we all realized this when we were 16

none of these bands are stylistically alike, other than heavy abrasive guitar music. They get lumped together cause they were in the same "scene" or whatever

Grunge: 90s bands that use power chords and stuff.

redbreegull
11-08-2012, 08:02 PM
it's like they invented a label cause the people in the bands were all friends or something

redbreegull
11-08-2012, 08:02 PM
seattle acquaintance-core

RenewRevive
11-08-2012, 08:23 PM
the album is better than i expected to be honest.

Cowlishaw
11-08-2012, 08:44 PM
it's like they invented a label cause the people in the bands were all friends or something

Same thing with "Indie".

meangreensp
11-08-2012, 11:06 PM
This new album is definitely a step above Oceania. It's a solid B while Oceania is nothing better than a C.

This album is just garbage. Oceania is way better than this crap. Soundgarden sucked then, still suck now.

redbreegull
11-08-2012, 11:14 PM
you're a fuck, soundgarden were one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time

redbreegull
11-08-2012, 11:17 PM
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TuralyonW3
11-08-2012, 11:41 PM
listening to the itunes stream, the first song is fucking lame but the 2nd and 3rd have tasty riffage

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 12:01 AM
I wouldn't even call Soundgarden a grunge band like I wouldn't call Alice In Chains a grunge band either, honestly.

well just because you call a duck a frog doesn't make it so

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 12:02 AM
what the fuck is grunge, that's not a real thing, I thought we all realized this when we were 16

none of these bands are stylistically alike, other than heavy abrasive guitar music. They get lumped together cause they were in the same "scene" or whatever

lol

you guys are p. clueless

redbreegull
11-09-2012, 12:15 AM
omg swans
omg robyn

redbreegull
11-09-2012, 12:15 AM
that's some real grunge

redbreegull
11-09-2012, 12:18 AM
ERMAGHERD GRERNGE

stumpycat
11-09-2012, 01:37 AM
Why is it so cool these days for people to pretend that they are above using labels and all that shit?
"Grunge" is a label, just like all labels, that came about for a reason. Just because the label came to be misapplied in some cases does not mean that it has no meaning. That's like saying (in a very reactionary way, of course) that porn doesn't exist and is essentially a "meaningless label" because some dumbass fundamentalist tried to apply the term to classical Greek art. Just like the Supreme Court said, even if there is no strict defninition - "I know it when I see it." Even those who don't want to use the label obviously have a pretty good idea of what we mean when we use the term; hence, why we continue use it to describe a particular type of music.

redbreegull
11-09-2012, 01:52 AM
well labels only make sense when they actually group together like things. Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, and AIC do not sound alike and are not stylistically similar. PJ and the Trees are the only really comparable ones. They just got lumped together because they lived in the same city and people wanted to be able to sell them as something

dronestar
11-09-2012, 04:30 AM
4 star review in this month's MOJO.

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 05:02 AM
Just because the label came to be misapplied in some cases does not mean that it has no meaning.

pretty much

i can understand people saying SP is not grunge (they aren't) or nirvana isn't grunge (debatable) but to pretend pearl jam, alice in chains and soundgarden don't typify grunge is simply daft.

not sure what swans or robyn has to do with that

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 05:03 AM
omgz wilcos

amoergosum
11-09-2012, 05:30 AM
Disappointing dynamic range (King Animal) >>>
DR7

meangreensp
11-09-2012, 01:28 PM
you're a fuck, soundgarden were one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time

Soundgarden was irrelevant then, always took a backseat to Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Still do, and only one of those two bands still exists. The riffs are good, but Cornell's voice sucks donkey balls and the music is just tedious.

slunken
11-09-2012, 01:38 PM
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2256/179948-meatwad.jpg

redbreegull
11-09-2012, 02:29 PM
pretty much

i can understand people saying SP is not grunge (they aren't) or nirvana isn't grunge (debatable) but to pretend pearl jam, alice in chains and soundgarden don't typify grunge is simply daft.


since you are agreeing with the guy who is saying that labels mean something even if they are misapplied, maybe it's relevant to point out that to most people, Nirvana typifies grunge.

What similarities do you see between a band like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains exactly other than distorted guitars and omg I feel sad

Cornell's voice sucks donkey balls

asdf

slunken
11-09-2012, 03:32 PM
macho singing style

slunken
11-09-2012, 03:32 PM
fashion choices

slunken
11-09-2012, 03:33 PM
mad season

slunken
11-09-2012, 03:35 PM
some strange revisionism going on itt

brutechinasky
11-09-2012, 06:12 PM
Hello brutechinasky it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

soundgarden and aic were obviously grunge
pearl jam not so much musically speaking
bleach is a grunge record, so i guess nirvana were grunge at least for a period

back to lurking

Catherine Wheel
11-09-2012, 06:21 PM
since you are agreeing with the guy who is saying that labels mean something even if they are misapplied, maybe it's relevant to point out that to most people, Nirvana typifies grunge.

What similarities do you see between a band like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains exactly other than distorted guitars and omg I feel sad



asdf

sludgy guitars

Cowlishaw
11-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Soundgarden was irrelevant then, always took a backseat to Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Still do, and only one of those two bands still exists. The riffs are good, but Cornell's voice sucks donkey balls and the music is just tedious.

You pretty much just summed up Zeitgeist and Oceania both.

Catherine Wheel
11-09-2012, 06:25 PM
the music on Oceania ranges from mediocre to decent to good. It's the vocals that are all fucking horrible.

Venom
11-09-2012, 06:47 PM
Heard the new album, meh. It's got some okay parts but it doesn't really capture me like a few other Soundgarden albums do. Even Down On The Upside's better than this one even though the band said King Animal would pick up where DOTU left off, which honestly it doesn't.

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 08:37 PM
some strange revisionism going on itt

yeah i like how suddenly genres/scenes don't originate in the same community

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 08:42 PM
macho singing style

fashion choices

more connected with classic rock than punk, big solos, sludgy guitars, moaning vocals, dark/depressing lyrics, flannel, long songs, generally depressing and overwrought and emotional - which is why i tend to splinter nirvana off from grunge proper because they are very punk and why i consider AiC, PJ and soundgarden to be "true grunge."

i mean you can cite specifics of why they're different bands but nobody's saying they all sound exactly alike, genres are general tags to group bands that have a similar style and usually the originators are all connected because they are all from the same place. i mean fuck it's really hard for me to figure out how someone can sit there and say that somehow genres shouldn't be linked by their place of origin because GUESS WHAT usually they <i>are</I> and this is definitely as true for grunge as it is for minor threat and black flag

Trotskilicious
11-09-2012, 08:48 PM
i mean if pearl jam and soundgarden have nothing in common how come temple of the dog is so a-typically "grunge"

slunken
11-09-2012, 11:29 PM
Rise above u gotta rise above

TuralyonW3
11-09-2012, 11:35 PM
the music on Oceania ranges from mediocre to decent to good. It's the vocals that are all fucking horrible.

Yeah

stumpycat
11-10-2012, 02:09 AM
I'd agree that Nirvana definitely falls on the side of being most strongly punk influenced - and yet, somehow, both they and the other aforementioned bands are still distinctly "grunge." Even the Pumpkins have a sound was easily a cousin of grunge rock. But grunge was of course infused with influences on all sides of the rock spectrum, just like any other fairly broad movement of rock. It's no different than in the art world, which has got to be just as notorious for creating broad genre movements. Impressionism was of course typified by Monet and Renoir who were coming from the same scene, but just because a piece of art is more "this" or "that" in its style doesn't mean that you can't easily identify paintings that also clearly look impressionistic no matter what time or place they came from. What defines the style? Monet only? No one outside that first French circle? People such as Degas who didn't really consider himself stylistically aligned even though we now place them clearly within the same artistic and stylistic circle? Of course that's a silly way of parsing things.

T&T
11-10-2012, 02:22 AM
grunge was hardly a music genre, it was a fashion statement.
20yr olds singing embarrassing things marketed to sell stuff to teens
"I'm never alone, I'm alone all the time"

http://i.imgur.com/nIQUl.jpg

meangreensp
11-10-2012, 10:53 AM
You pretty much just summed up Zeitgeist and Oceania both.

Zeitgeist did suck.

Oceania's music is not tedious and his voice doesn't suck.

amoergosum
11-10-2012, 11:35 AM
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houseofglass11
11-11-2012, 01:08 AM
I still don't get people who think Oceania is better than Zeitgeist.

Zeitgeist is miles ahead of Oceania. Jimmy's drumming, better guitar work and guitar tone (Oceania has the worst guitar sound BC has ever used), better songs overall. The main problem with Zeitgeist is that the vocals are far too loud. I never thought BC would release a coaster, but that's what Oceania is.

houseofglass11
11-11-2012, 01:37 AM
http://img4-3.realsimple.timeinc.net/images/New_Uses/Batch3/9.23.10/RSCDcoaster_0018_300.jpg

T&T
11-11-2012, 03:51 AM
I posted an insightful comment about grunge
and a funny picture. I'd appreciate some feedback on my posting skills gys.

Trotskilicious
11-11-2012, 04:01 AM
you suck go to hell

houseofglass11
11-11-2012, 04:08 AM
Who said anything about grunge? And the only person asking for feedback about their posting skilllz here is you.

amoergosum
11-11-2012, 05:35 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9AVp9Dc6qjg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Morlock
11-11-2012, 07:49 AM
You know that Billy lowered your standards when you enjoy an interview just because it does not contain any whining or pseudo-intellectual talk about culture and business models.

Also, that vinyl looks sweet.

meangreensp
11-11-2012, 02:02 PM
I still don't get people who think Oceania is better than Zeitgeist.

Zeitgeist is miles ahead of Oceania. Jimmy's drumming, better guitar work and guitar tone (Oceania has the worst guitar sound BC has ever used), better songs overall. The main problem with Zeitgeist is that the vocals are far too loud. I never thought BC would release a coaster, but that's what Oceania is.

Zeitgeist miles ahead of Oceania? Hahaha, Zeitgeist is one of the worst albums ever made, in my opinion. The drums are good but are mixed terribly and seem disconnected from the songs. The guitar work sounds terrible and so many of the songs just sound cheap and tacked together. So many songs on Z are inexcusable, like Pomp and Circumstance or For God and Country. The flow is inexcusable. The production is terrible. Corgan's vocals are inexcusably terrible...the jackals lick their balls...Billy choir...terrible lyrics...too loud...horrendous production...terrible artwork...terrible marketing...

Just about NOTHING from the Z era except Tarantula and Stellar was good.

The fact that people are stupid enough to think Z is better is proof that nostalgia just makes everything seem better.

Araneae
11-12-2012, 01:23 AM
You know that Billy lowered your standards when you enjoy an interview just because it does not contain any whining or pseudo-intellectual talk about culture and business models.


Someone needs to punch him the next time the word "consumer" "business model" "brand" and "Smashing Pumpkins" are mentioned in the same sentence. Especially when it's followed with garbage about how he's a real artist and then complains about everyone else cashing in.

houseofglass11
11-12-2012, 02:41 AM
Zeitgeist miles ahead of Oceania? Hahaha, Zeitgeist is one of the worst albums ever made, in my opinion. The drums are good but are mixed terribly and seem disconnected from the songs. The guitar work sounds terrible and so many of the songs just sound cheap and tacked together. So many songs on Z are inexcusable, like Pomp and Circumstance or For God and Country. The flow is inexcusable. The production is terrible. Corgan's vocals are inexcusably terrible...the jackals lick their balls...Billy choir...terrible lyrics...too loud...horrendous production...terrible artwork...terrible marketing...

Just about NOTHING from the Z era except Tarantula and Stellar was good.

The fact that people are stupid enough to think Z is better is proof that nostalgia just makes everything seem better.

You sure are one self-righteous little twat.

The guitar work on Zeitgeist is quite good so I don't know what you're on about there. Yes, the mixing isn't the greatest but I already fucking said that.

No good songs on Zeitgeist and worst album of all time? Yeah right, you're off your rocker man.

Doomsday Clock (killer fucking riff), Bleeding the Orchid (great atmosphere), That's The Way My Love Is (beautiful song all around), Tarantula (dumb rock song but killer guitar solo), United States (repetitive but Jimmy's drums are awesome), Bring the Light (amazing guitar solo with the Queen-esque guitar symphony), Come On Let's Go (sounds like Zwan, catchy riff)

And Pomp and Circumstance is a beautiful song. Sounds like a lost Adore track almost.

How can anyone be stupid enough to like it? There's nothing stupid about recognizing a good song when you hear one. I wonder the opposite about fucks like you on netphoria with sand in your vag...how could you hate that album so much?

Oceania is a MUCH weaker album. The guitar tone is awful throughout the whole album. The synths are terribly cheesy. Clunky drumming from Byrne. And BC's vocals are weak throughout the whole album.

Kahlo
11-12-2012, 06:30 AM
does anyone else giggle when people get uptight and feel they have to defend Zeitgeist??

Morlock
11-12-2012, 06:53 AM
I think that Zeitgeist is good, but very flawed and ultimatively disappointing for a Pumpkins fan. So yes, it is strange to devote that much energy to defending it. However, the Zeitgeist/Oceania debate is a lot about the direction of the band, and I disagree with claims that Oceania is the true comeback. Oceania may not do many things completely wrong, but it is so heart achingly mediocre and lacking a vision. I had the feeling that Billy and Jimmy were at least trying hard when they worked on Zeitgeist, and in some of the songs I feel real inspiration.

To get back to King Animal. It is not a magnificent album - while it is not a lame rehash of old Soundgarden ideas, the only track that is truly novel is "Rowing". But at least I can hear four great musicians that know what they are doing and are passionate about it. The rhythm section is excellent, the vocals are strong, the guitars sound good, and at least for me there are moments of pure bliss. The album makes me want to see the band live. It makes me want to have some red wine and listen to it in the dark.

meangreensp
11-12-2012, 04:37 PM
You sure are one self-righteous little twat.

The guitar work on Zeitgeist is quite good so I don't know what you're on about there. Yes, the mixing isn't the greatest but I already fucking said that.

No good songs on Zeitgeist and worst album of all time? Yeah right, you're off your rocker man.

Doomsday Clock (killer fucking riff), Bleeding the Orchid (great atmosphere), That's The Way My Love Is (beautiful song all around), Tarantula (dumb rock song but killer guitar solo), United States (repetitive but Jimmy's drums are awesome), Bring the Light (amazing guitar solo with the Queen-esque guitar symphony), Come On Let's Go (sounds like Zwan, catchy riff)

And Pomp and Circumstance is a beautiful song. Sounds like a lost Adore track almost.

How can anyone be stupid enough to like it? There's nothing stupid about recognizing a good song when you hear one. I wonder the opposite about fucks like you on netphoria with sand in your vag...how could you hate that album so much?

Oceania is a MUCH weaker album. The guitar tone is awful throughout the whole album. The synths are terribly cheesy. Clunky drumming from Byrne. And BC's vocals are weak throughout the whole album.

The guitar work in 7 Shades of Black is barely reminiscent of Corgan's guitar style at all. 7 Shades of Black sounds like he has a huge funnel on the front of his amp.

Doomsday Clock's riff was ok, but the rhythm guitar was terrible. His vocals made the song worthless. Bleeding the Orchid had a decent atmosphere, but the choir Billy ruined it and the "clouds in my shower" line. That's the Way is horrid. I don't understand the love affair for such a mediocre pop song. Tarantula was great. Mostly because Corgan's voice was mixed correctly. Bring the Light was all guitar solo. Come On Let's Go is the most forgettable song Corgan has ever penned. Pomp and Circumstance sounds NOTHING like Adore and is the WORST song he has ever written. "Lalalalalalalalalalazy" His vocals are SO much better. Mixed lower, no "jackals lick their balls" lines, no pussy yells like United States and no off-key whines like "you shald wahnt et AHLLLLLL"

And it's pretty much an overwhelming consensus outside of Netphoria critically and among fans that Zeitgeist is complete horseshit and Oceania a true return to form.

Fuck off, you insufferable nostalgic twat.

Morlock
11-12-2012, 05:01 PM
Nostalgia for 2007? What is this, an Amy Winehouse forum?

Rider
11-12-2012, 05:22 PM
does anyone else giggle when people get uptight and feel they have to defend Zeitgeist??

People arguing about music in general just makes me laugh now.

People arguing over which crappy post 2000 Pumpkins albums sucks less makes me hate humanity.

redbreegull
11-12-2012, 07:16 PM
more connected with classic rock than punk, big solos, sludgy guitars, moaning vocals, dark/depressing lyrics, flannel, long songs, generally depressing and overwrought and emotional - which is why i tend to splinter nirvana off from grunge proper because they are very punk and why i consider AiC, PJ and soundgarden to be "true grunge."

i mean you can cite specifics of why they're different bands but nobody's saying they all sound exactly alike, genres are general tags to group bands that have a similar style and usually the originators are all connected because they are all from the same place. i mean fuck it's really hard for me to figure out how someone can sit there and say that somehow genres shouldn't be linked by their place of origin because GUESS WHAT usually they <i>are</I> and this is definitely as true for grunge as it is for minor threat and black flag

a "scene" and a "genre" aren't really the same thing... basically I just think that the assertion that these bands share some sort of musical DNA is not very accurate except that they all have the common ancestors Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. There are some similarities which I see as coming from the general cultural zeitgeist at the time (e.g. hard rock revival, thematic obsession with pain and mental suffering), but I see a lot of these elements in other contemporary bands like SP or Hole, who are not from Seattle. If you ditch the quieter half of the songs on Gish, SD, and MCIS, I think SP sounds as much like any of these bands as they sound like each other. I mean in this thread we have like 4 different people arguing that grunge exists but Nirvana doesn't fit/Pearl Jam doesn't fit/AIC doesn't fit. No one knows what the hell grunge really is, because the term was invented to sell shirts.

Sure, they were in a scene together and shared a lot of fans and the members of the bands were all friends though, if that is what you mean.

i mean if pearl jam and soundgarden have nothing in common how come temple of the dog is so a-typically "grunge"

personally I don't think the songwriting on the TOTD album sounds like either Soundgarden or Pearl Jam

fuzzyroes
11-12-2012, 08:41 PM
The guitar work in 7 Shades of Black is barely reminiscent of Corgan's guitar style at all. 7 Shades of Black sounds like he has a huge funnel on the front of his amp.

Doomsday Clock's riff was ok, but the rhythm guitar was terrible. His vocals made the song worthless. Bleeding the Orchid had a decent atmosphere, but the choir Billy ruined it and the "clouds in my shower" line. That's the Way is horrid. I don't understand the love affair for such a mediocre pop song. Tarantula was great. Mostly because Corgan's voice was mixed correctly. Bring the Light was all guitar solo. Come On Let's Go is the most forgettable song Corgan has ever penned. Pomp and Circumstance sounds NOTHING like Adore and is the WORST song he has ever written. "Lalalalalalalalalalazy" His vocals are SO much better. Mixed lower, no "jackals lick their balls" lines, no pussy yells like United States and no off-key whines like "you shald wahnt et AHLLLLLL"

And it's pretty much an overwhelming consensus outside of Netphoria critically and among fans that Zeitgeist is complete horseshit and Oceania a true return to form.

Fuck off, you insufferable nostalgic twat.

Why so angry bro? Obviously the mixing is much better on Oceania but overall the song writing was stronger on Zeitgeist... If only the production wasn't executed like it was.

Your hate for Pomp and Circumstance is ridiculous. It's my favorite song off Zeitgeist. Its a fantastic track a truly great closer to the album... And man that guitar solo is magic.

Songs like Thats the way, Bleeding the Orchid, Tarantula, Starz, United States, Bring the Light, Come on lets go, PAC, Stellar and Ma Belle are damn good tracks..

Not to mention that it was overall a much better era to actually see the band live in... Besides the fact that the band was much tighter than it is now, The setlists were so varied and it was really fun as a fan to follow each show to see what songs they would bust out... And it was a surprise when you actually went to the show.

stumpycat
11-13-2012, 12:21 AM
Doomsday Clock (killer fucking riff), Bleeding the Orchid (great atmosphere), That's The Way My Love Is (beautiful song all around), Tarantula (dumb rock song but killer guitar solo), United States (repetitive but Jimmy's drums are awesome), Bring the Light (amazing guitar solo with the Queen-esque guitar symphony), Come On Let's Go (sounds like Zwan, catchy riff)

This, pretty much. There are a number of good bits surrounded by a bunch of fairly inane shit. That ratio does not average out too well for me though. It's enough inanity on balance that I rarely have the motivation for replay.

I mean in this thread we have like 4 different people arguing that grunge exists but Nirvana doesn't fit/Pearl Jam doesn't fit/AIC doesn't fit. No one knows what the hell grunge really is, because the term was invented to sell shirts.

They're all basically different sides of the same cultural coin. I think that despite the modern urge to find corporate cloak and dagger conspiracy in everything (marketing awareness of health conditions as "new" diseases to sell new pharmaceuticals, for example) that honestly this sort of thing usually first develops out of a powerful innate desire to make sense of the world by grouping together and labeling novel things which seem connected in some way as a form of cognitive shorthand. I mean people really feel genuinely good about finally being able to label something even if being able to do so is of relatively little practical consequence. (Ever watch Mystery Diagnosis? They're all like, "hell yeah, I finally found a doctor that told me I have a rare and incurable genetic disorder but now I know what I have and thank god it's not cancer either!") There are characteristics of "grunge" which involve culture, clothing, attitude, and music and people realize that they cluster together - even if in any given item may only have some, but not all, of the attributes stereotyped by the label. (Meeting the numerical majority of that criteria is about good enough for your brain to apply the label...but this largely happens subconsciously, mind you.) Grunge was first used to label a genuine cultural phenomena that people started to notice; the marketing of such cultural phenomena, however, is usually just the end stage process. By the time it has mainstreamed enough to start marketing, its lifespan as a movement is going to be on the wane with the original trendsetters.

redbreegull
11-13-2012, 12:42 AM
oh ok, that must be why Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder thought the label was a joke

houseofglass11
11-13-2012, 01:21 AM
Why so angry bro? Obviously the mixing is much better on Oceania but overall the song writing was stronger on Zeitgeist... If only the production wasn't executed like it was.

Your hate for Pomp and Circumstance is ridiculous. It's my favorite song off Zeitgeist. Its a fantastic track a truly great closer to the album... And man that guitar solo is magic.

Songs like Thats the way, Bleeding the Orchid, Tarantula, Starz, United States, Bring the Light, Come on lets go, PAC, Stellar and Ma Belle are damn good tracks..

Not to mention that it was overall a much better era to actually see the band live in... Besides the fact that the band was much tighter than it is now, The setlists were so varied and it was really fun as a fan to follow each show to see what songs they would bust out... And it was a surprise when you actually went to the show.

This guy knows what's up. And meangreensp, you need to take your meds kid. I'm not vehemently defending anything here. Just stating my belief that Zeitgeist is a better album than most smarmy pricks like yourself give it credit for.

Meangreensp's argument pretty much consists of:
NO WAHHHH IT ALL SUCKS< EVERYTHING SUCKS<ITS A FACT> YOU SUCK< FUCK YOU.

houseofglass11
11-13-2012, 01:22 AM
People arguing about music in general just makes me laugh now.

People arguing over which crappy post 2000 Pumpkins albums sucks less makes me hate humanity.

Then what the fuck are you doing here? This is a smashing pumpkins board where people are inclined to...oh, I don't know...talk about smashing pumpkins and their work.

redbreegull
11-13-2012, 01:24 AM
overall the song writing was stronger on Zeitgeist

what the actual fuck

stumpycat
11-13-2012, 01:24 AM
Artists, as a rule, seem to HATE labels though. More generally it seems like a part of human nature that people vehemently reject being labeled themselves all the whilst happily labeling others. Everyone thinks they're special...special and unique, just like everyone else.

stumpycat
11-13-2012, 01:27 AM
I wonder if he meant the song writing on Zeitgeist was stronger either lyrically or from the point of song structure, or both?

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:41 AM
zeitgeist has some good structure, but it never pans out completely. the few times it does - like that drum freakout thing in starz - it sounds wonderful. DFA sounds great. BTO to some degree. the bare bones songs are not terrible, but they are executed poorly. very poorly

redbreegull
11-13-2012, 02:02 AM
There are definitely some strong moments on Zeitgeist, and a few amazing moments.... but overall that sensation of wonder is fleeting. An extremely mediocre record with extremely bad execution that has a few moments of old Pumpkins brilliance shining through. Oceania is MUCH better in pretty much every way, and I think Oceania is only slightly above average

reprise85
11-13-2012, 02:09 AM
i agree with all of that

amoergosum
11-13-2012, 02:42 AM
Why don't you discuss Zeitgeist here >>>

Postfinal Debate about Zeitgeist:
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=172330&page=8&highlight=zeitgeist

redbreegull
11-13-2012, 03:01 AM
why dont you fucking die

amoergosum
11-13-2012, 07:16 AM
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Slurpee
11-13-2012, 09:32 AM
This is a smashing pumpkins board where people are inclined to...oh, I don't know...talk shit about smashing pumpkins and their work.

Fixed.

Rider
11-13-2012, 09:52 AM
Then what the fuck are you doing here? This is a smashing pumpkins board where people are inclined to...oh, I don't know...talk about smashing pumpkins and their work.

Yeah umm you realize this band existed before 2000 right?

meangreensp
11-13-2012, 11:43 AM
This guy knows what's up. And meangreensp, you need to take your meds kid. I'm not vehemently defending anything here. Just stating my belief that Zeitgeist is a better album than most smarmy pricks like yourself give it credit for.

Meangreensp's argument pretty much consists of:
NO WAHHHH IT ALL SUCKS< EVERYTHING SUCKS<ITS A FACT> YOU SUCK< FUCK YOU.

No, you're just a dumbshit that is not entitled to opinion. Zeitgeist is dogshit.

It's quite simple. Listen to 1979. Then listen to The Celestials.

Clearly a lot closer than listening to 1979 then listening to Pomp and fucking Circumstance.

Anyway, I truly enjoyed the Z tour, but the Oceania tour is a lot better.

Rider
11-13-2012, 11:49 AM
No, you're just a dumbshit that is not entitled to opinion. Zeitgeist is dogshit.

It's quite simple. Listen to 1979. Then listen to The Celestials.

Clearly a lot closer than listening to 1979 then listening to Pomp and fucking Circumstance.

Anyway, I truly enjoyed the Z tour, but the Oceania tour is a lot better.

If you are not even going to attempt to say something intelligent please go away.

dronestar
11-13-2012, 12:26 PM
How can anyone be stupid enough to like it? There's nothing stupid about recognizing a good song when you hear one. I wonder the opposite about fucks like you on netphoria with sand in your vag...how could you hate that album so much?

^^^^^

This.

Trotskilicious
11-13-2012, 12:33 PM
Obama was voted in because he's a minority. Period. Not a racist comment. Just go talk to Hispanics, Asians or African Americans. We might as well secede, a Civil War is going to break out in 2-3 years anyway.


some context

reprise85
11-13-2012, 12:44 PM
there's some people on my facebook preparing how to find each other when the nation implodes in the next 6 months

meangreensp
11-13-2012, 01:15 PM
there's some people on my facebook preparing how to find each other when the nation implodes in the next 6 months

Well, it's true. Maybe not six months, give it a year. But the fact of the matter remains. And look, 70K signatures for Texas secession, it has more than tripled in the last 24 hours. Louisiana and Florida are now at 25K.

Civil war will break out.

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:21 PM
25 million + people live in texas

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:22 PM
you're the asshole who thinks obama only won because he's black and "they" voted for him, so go fuck yourself

"not a racist comment but [insert very racist comment]"

meangreensp
11-13-2012, 01:22 PM
you're the asshole who thinks obama only won because he's black and "they" voted for him, so go fuck yourself

"not a racist comment but [insert very racist comment]"

Well it's true. 93% of African Americans voted for Obama.

If they would have put in a legitimate African American presidential candidate in 08, I'd be all over it because it was time. Not a flip flopper Democrat with 3 years of experience who has taken the country to the brink of a Civil War, the Fiscal Cliff, total economic collapse and unheard of inflation within the span of 3 years.

Just keep burying your head in the sand, Mr. White Man's Burden.

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:24 PM
70,000 is less than .002% of the population of texas

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Well it's true. 93% of African Americans voted for Obama.

If they would have put in a legitimate African American presidential candidate in 08, I'd be all over it. Not a flip flopper Democrat with 3 years of experience who has taken the country to the brink of a Civil War within the span of 3 years.

HIS SKIN COLOR SHOULDNT FUCKING MATTER

the fact that this ridiculous civil war talk is happening has nothing to do with obama and everything to do with racist republicans not being able to deal with a democratic president anymore and the fact that the nation's ethical standards are changing and not in line with their beliefs anymore

meangreensp
11-13-2012, 01:28 PM
HIS SKIN COLOR SHOULDNT FUCKING MATTER

the fact that this ridiculous civil war talk is happening has nothing to do with obama and everything to do with racist republicans not being able to deal with a democratic president anymore and the fact that the nation's ethical standards are changing and not in line with their beliefs anymore

Hahaha, way to be a stereotyping white man's burden man. That's exactly the reason for the want of secession today.

:erm:

Typical liberal.

(See, I can stereotype, too!)

At this point, skin color does matter. Nobody wants a rich old white guy anymore because they're hilariously out of touch with the way the world works. I'm not a Republican, either. I support...good presidency...and not voting for presidents based on race/social views/basketball brackets/cool personality

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:28 PM
i dont have the numbers but close to 90% of african americans voted for kerry, and clinton, and always vote for democats

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:29 PM
Hahaha, way to be a stereotyping white man's burden man. That's exactly the reason for the want of secession today.

:erm:

"the white man's burden"? of not being in total control anymore?

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:30 PM
so tell me what the "real" reason for secession talk is, then, if not for the fact that their beliefs are slowly not being the majority anymore?

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:31 PM
the white man's burden. what the fuck

meangreensp
11-13-2012, 01:32 PM
so tell me what the "real" reason for secession talk is, then, if not for the fact that their beliefs are slowly not being the majority anymore?

The South, a usually conservative area with the beliefs of small government, personal responsibility and religion (unfortunately) now sees a country heading towards big government, welfare, and elimination of religion.

White liberals think it's their job to be on the cutting edge and support the minorities because they are minorities. Thus "white man's burden".

I vote for the best candidates. Not off of race. Everyone should.

Obama supports socialized healthcare which is the worst fucking thing of all time. We need a reform. Not socialism.

reprise85
11-13-2012, 01:33 PM
yeah cause all black people and poor people want handouts. this convo is over

do you live in the south, or have you? racism is alive and well and out in the open

MustardLies
11-13-2012, 01:45 PM
Guys, this is getting out of hand. The blacks are okay now. It's the gays that are bringing down God's wrath.

Morlock
11-13-2012, 03:36 PM
So how long have some of you Americans been betting on the next Civil War to break out "very soon"? So it's who against whom?

I know it's a huge and diverse country, and to be honest, secession is not a bad thing per se. But because of Obama? He is a moderate president. Foreign poicy wise his policies were more or less a continuation of Bush II. And honestly, people who think that Obama is socialist should try to learn what socialism is. Health care under Obama will still be pretty much in private hands. The US will till have the most privatised and inefficient health care system of all western industrialised countries. Obama has done almost nothing to regulate the banks, more people have been deported under him than under his predecessors, he has done nothing against the dismantling of unions, military spending increased and the US still employs mercenaries.

redbreegull
11-13-2012, 03:55 PM
Obama supports socialized healthcare which is the worst fucking thing of all time. We need a reform. Not socialism.

read a fucking book you stupid racist, you have no idea what socialism is

So how long have some of you Americans been betting on the next Civil War to break out "very soon"? So it's who against whom?

I know it's a huge and diverse country, and to be honest, secession is not a bad thing per se. But because of Obama? He is a moderate president. Foreign poicy wise his policies were more or less a continuation of Bush II. And honestly, people who think that Obama is socialist should try to learn what socialism is. Health care under Obama will still be pretty much in private hands. The US will till have the most privatised and inefficient health care system of all western industrialised countries. Obama has done almost nothing to regulate the banks, more people have been reported under him than under his predecessors, he has done nothing about the dismantling of unions, military spending increased and the US still employs mercenaries.

it's not even worth it, if he honestly thinks the US is close to civil war he is so out of touch with the world around him nothing anyone says will change his retarded opinions, like a minority that only makes up 12% of the entire American population is responsible for putting Obama in the White House.

Worthwhile to point out though that Obama defense is a continuation of Bush II, but not the rest of Obama foreign policy.

pavementtune
11-13-2012, 04:01 PM
back to thread: Billy "ows" Cornell $40.000 :rofl:
http://grungereport.net/?p=17957

Morlock
11-13-2012, 04:22 PM
Worthwhile to point out though that Obama defense is a continuation of Bush II, but not the rest of Obama foreign policy.

Obama is different in style, but I am not sure about substance. There's been a shift away from transatlantic towards transpacific diplomacy, but even that seems to be a continuation of a trend from the Bush years.

Morlock
11-13-2012, 04:25 PM
back to thread: Billy "ows" Cornell $40.000 :rofl:
http://grungereport.net/?p=17957

What? So Cornell says that he had a role in the Singles soundtrack containing "Drown"? That's a big deal.

stumpycat
11-13-2012, 04:48 PM
So how long have some of you Americans been betting on the next Civil War to break out "very soon"? So it's who against whom?

I know it's a huge and diverse country, and to be honest, secession is not a bad thing per se. But because of Obama? He is a moderate president. Foreign poicy wise his policies were more or less a continuation of Bush II. And honestly, people who think that Obama is socialist should try to learn what socialism is. Health care under Obama will still be pretty much in private hands. The US will till have the most privatised and inefficient health care system of all western industrialised countries. Obama has done almost nothing to regulate the banks, more people have been deported under him than under his predecessors, he has done nothing against the dismantling of unions, military spending increased and the US still employs mercenaries.
Thank you foreigner for pointing out the truth. And I mean foreigner with all due respect. You guys pay attention to what's going on in the rest of the world. I mean, in a sense, the President of the United States is the president of the world because of his enormous imact on it. So I guess it really is a necessary attention.

I live in Fort Worth so I am painfully aware of the ignorant, science-denying, bible bashing theocratic Neanderthal fucks who surround me. Even many of my relatives' heads are about to explode in horror and disbelief that a radical black muslim socialist has been re-elected by those poor, obviously misguided nigger-loving white men in mid-western swing states. :rolleyes: And I'm a proud fucking LIBERAL who is both a gun owner and who also rejects the death penalty as an instrument of the state. I voted for Obama because I would have rather voted Green but know that is not currently a realistic option considering the multiple failings of our deeply flawed electoral system.

Also, my bet is that Meangreensp is a University of North Texas (that's in Denton, one hour north of here) music major. So yeah, he lives in the South. Sort of. Really here in Texas we're a mix of midwestern farmer, western, and southern American cultures.

reprise85
11-13-2012, 04:50 PM
it's like how every generation of christians believe the return of jesus is imminent. guess what, your life and time on earth is just as meaningless as everyone else's

stumpycat
11-13-2012, 04:53 PM
You think they would have learned by now that millennial movements are fucking stupid and pointless because they're got an incredibly poor record dating back 2000+ years.

Morlock
11-13-2012, 05:02 PM
I mean, in a sense, the President of the United States is the president of the world because of his enormous imact on it.

Yep, it is still the most influential country on Earth. This may change, but certainly not for quite some time. Should this change, Obama will not have caused the American decline, though he is certainly not doing enough to stop it.

redbreegull
11-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Bush's idea of diplomacy was bullying the US' friends and allies and straining ties going back centuries, so I still think Obama is quite different and this drives conservatives nuts. They hate the idea of a US president acting humbly, and not like a morally didactic vigilante cowboy, and make up lies like the "apology tour." Now I don't live outside the US, but my impression is that people abroad see Obama as having turned around what the US stands for worldwide since the disastrous Bush years. Is this untrue in your opinion, Morlock? Serious question. I've only been to a few places outside the US, a few in southern Europe and a few in Africa, but most people seem to really love Obama and think of the US in much more positive terms now that evil bullying war mongering George Bush is gone.

Also, I am not convinced by all this nationalist rhetoric about the decline of American influence being a bad thing. America has done good shit, but it has also done some stuff to totally fuck up the world, and I think a more multipolar balance of power will probably be a good thing. Powerful economic and political engines in India and Brazil will increase the quality of life for people in those regions over time, and give them more of a global voice.

Morlock
11-13-2012, 07:08 PM
Bush's idea of diplomacy was bullying the US' friends and allies and straining ties going back centuries, so I still think Obama is quite different and this drives conservatives nuts. They hate the idea of a US president acting humbly, and not like a morally didactic vigilante cowboy, and make up lies like the "apology tour." Now I don't live outside the US, but my impression is that people abroad see Obama as having turned around what the US stands for worldwide since the disastrous Bush years. Is this untrue in your opinion, Morlock? Serious question. I've only been to a few places outside the US, a few in southern Europe and a few in Africa, but most people seem to really love Obama and think of the US in much more positive terms now that evil bullying war mongering George Bush is gone.

In Europe, and as far as I can see in most of the world outside the US, Obama is much more popular than Bush was. After four years Europeans are less excited, but polls in Germany suggest that more than 90% prefer Obama over Romney (the US elections were all over the media). However, people here are less excited after four years (so are the president's supporters in the US I guess), and in much of the Middle East Obama has become very unpopular. I wouldn't say it goes that far that Obama managed to change the perception of "what the US stand for".

So I generally agree with your post. Obama does represent the US much more effectively than Bush did. It's just that the policies beyond communication and representation are not very different from Bush's IMO.

RenewRevive
11-13-2012, 07:19 PM
back to thread: Billy "ows" Cornell $40.000 :rofl:
http://grungereport.net/?p=17957

awesome comeback from Cornell. Billy will be fuming!

RenewRevive
11-13-2012, 07:20 PM
plus a big LOL at "socialist medicine".

reprise85
11-13-2012, 07:59 PM
some are. when i lived in louisiana some people were very like him, or how he presented himself (dumb, religious, self important). but most of us yes are definitely not like george w bush

T&T
11-13-2012, 09:09 PM
wtf. how did this thread derail?

stumpycat
11-13-2012, 11:56 PM
All Trots' fault. He quoted some shit Meangreensp must have posted elsewhere on the forums meant to show up his proclivity towards making really stupid comments in a context other than the one which was being debated in this thread. They were so laughably ignorant than none of us could resist responding.

stumpycat
11-14-2012, 12:18 AM
So I generally agree with your post. Obama does represent the US much more effectively than Bush did. It's just that the policies beyond communication and representation are not very different from Bush's IMO.

Yeah, my impression is that we were all very optimistic about Obama changing the tone of the US conversation and especially the utterly shameful foreign policy. That's a big part of why I was so excited and motivated to vote for him the first time around. But while that did happen at least superficially, Obama for the most part has maintained a sort of center-right, even mildly hawkish foreign policy that in some ways does not differ too substantively from the Bush era. That's one of Obama's greatest weaknesses, I think - in his heart of hearts his inclination would indeed be to take more progressive foreign policy stances but he is actually too willing to work outside his personal instinct about things in order to appear diplomatically "centrist" to Americans even though such overtures are generally lost to the people he's trying to win over anyway. That's what's so damned frustrating - most of us still believe that Obama is basically "on our team" in theory and in his fundamental beliefs even though he often does not act in accordance due to various political pressures.

meangreensp
11-14-2012, 01:08 AM
All Trots' fault. He quoted some shit Meangreensp must have posted elsewhere on the forums meant to show up his proclivity towards making really stupid comments in a context other than the one which was being debated in this thread. They were so laughably ignorant than none of us could resist responding.

Like I really give a fuck what a stupid Fort Worth dumbshit thinks. The population of Fort Worth has the intelligence level of a pea, you fit right in. Bunch of segregated, white, rich and racist fucks. Anyone who lives in Fort Worth is a dumbshit republican POS, I could really care less what your political leanings are.

Anyway, I normally tend to vote Democrat, but I can't support a party dumb enough to put a ill-prepared candidate like Obama because they knew they had a sure-fire winner based in his race in office who continues to be like Bush except for killing NASA and his socialist healthcare policies. And you guilty "white man's burden" Democrats voted him in. Obama did NOT have the resume for this job and the fact that it has taken him 4 years to do anything more than duct-tape and continue Bush's policies while implementing the wrong kind of healthcare reform proves this.

I do go to NT, but I'm not a music major. Typical Ft. Worth-ite to think that the only thing at NT is music.

reprise85
11-14-2012, 01:16 AM
i dont understand how anyone could vote mccain after he made palin the VP candidate. old man + ridiculously stupid and unprepared running mate... can you imagine palin as the prez?

how come it went from "he can't win, he's black" to "he won because he's black"? you can't have it both ways. i voted for him because of his platform.

pavementtune
11-14-2012, 01:18 AM
aaaw, sweetie... it's way past your bedtime, meangreensp

reprise85
11-14-2012, 01:19 AM
the rest of your post is just ridiculous, yeah a whole city where everyone has the same characteristics. what is wrong with you

meangreensp
11-14-2012, 01:20 AM
i dont understand how anyone could vote mccain after he made palin the VP candidate. old man + ridiculously stupid and unprepared running mate... can you imagine palin as the prez?

how come it went from "he can't win, he's black" to "he won because he's black"? you can't have it both ways. i voted for him because of his platform.

I'm not Republican. I voted for Obama in 2008 just to keep McCain out of office.

And I bet you live in Southlake, how cute. Fort Worth is the cesspool of Texas. Anyone who would willingly live in Fort Worth deserves no respect.

redbreegull
11-14-2012, 01:22 AM
so it turns out not only does meangreensp have stupid opinions on billy corgan, he is also a fucking ignorant piece of shit with no grasp on reality in other areas as well. how do you like that

meangreensp
11-14-2012, 01:23 AM
so it turns out not only does meangreensp have stupid opinions on billy corgan, he is also a fucking ignorant piece of shit with no grasp on reality in other areas as well. how do you like that

And you're a judgmental internet tough guy, look at that. I'm not going to talk politics with a bunch of white man's burden liberal keyboard warriors on a Smashing Pumpkins website that has been ousted from its very own fan base for being chock full of imbeciles. I'll leave real political discussions for political debates, forums, etc.

T&T
11-14-2012, 01:33 AM
just shut up.

reprise85
11-14-2012, 01:41 AM
And you're a judgmental internet tough guy, look at that. I'm not going to talk politics with a bunch of white man's burden liberal keyboard warriors on a Smashing Pumpkins website that has been ousted from its very own fan base for being chock full of imbeciles. I'll leave real political discussions for political debates, forums, etc.

how come you voted for obama and it's okay but if i do it it's because of the white man's burden? (btw i'm a woman)

talk about judgmental - you just wrote off an entire city.

and i don't live in texas or whatever you're accusing me off. why do you attribute attributes to entire cities, thousands of people in one sentence? that's ridiculous

redbreegull
11-14-2012, 01:41 AM
And you're a judgmental internet tough guy, look at that. I'm not going to talk politics with a bunch of white man's burden liberal keyboard warriors on a Smashing Pumpkins website that has been ousted from its very own fan base for being chock full of imbeciles. I'll leave real political discussions for political debates, forums, etc.

you are mouthing off like a lunatic fringe right wing tea bag racist, this is not a "real political discussion," it is ignorant nonsense

reprise85
11-14-2012, 01:41 AM
i dont understand how anyone could vote mccain after he made palin the VP candidate. old man + ridiculously stupid and unprepared running mate... can you imagine palin as the prez?

how come it went from "he can't win, he's black" to "he won because he's black"? you can't have it both ways. i voted for him because of his platform.

^^^ you avoid my questions

reprise85
11-14-2012, 01:43 AM
70,000 is less than .002% of the population of texas

"the white man's burden"? of not being in total control anymore?

also these. it's ridiculous to think that petition represents the majority opinion in texas

pavementtune
11-14-2012, 02:10 AM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/561640_447105658687327_1271718444_n.jpg

houseofglass11
11-14-2012, 02:49 AM
Yeah umm you realize this band existed before 2000 right?

No shit, I only saw them 6 times in the 90's including the show on the SD tour when Billy got a shoe to the head and walked off stage.

So just because the band existed before 2000 means we shouldn't discuss their later work? I don't really get your comment at all.

Rider
11-14-2012, 09:51 AM
No shit, I only saw them 6 times in the 90's including the show on the SD tour when Billy got a shoe to the head and walked off stage.

So just because the band existed before 2000 means we shouldn't discuss their later work? I don't really get your comment at all.

Since you can't follow logical conversation there is really no point in continuing is there?

Cool As Ice Cream
11-14-2012, 10:11 AM
70,000 is less than .002% of the population of texas
i don't know what you're discussing here, but this can't be correct.

population of texas: 25,674,681 (according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Demographics))
.002% of that = 513

for 70k to be less than .002%, the population of texas should be larger than 3,500,000,000.
now if you're monty, you might think that's just about right...

T&T
11-14-2012, 10:52 AM
don't for they possibly confused .2% as .002%
like they confuse 99¢ as .99¢

Cool As Ice Cream
11-14-2012, 11:15 AM
even with .2%, that statement isn't correct.
70,000 isn't less than 51,349.

MustardLies
11-14-2012, 11:23 AM
70,000/25,674,681 = .00273, or about .273%

I bet reprise just used a different estimate for the population of Texas. Either way, a valid point.

amoergosum
11-14-2012, 12:10 PM
In celebration of the band's first album in over a decade. Canvas upper with the King Animal logo.

Black Mono, Low, Canvas

Whole sizes only

http://grungereport.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/soundgardenshoes.jpg

>>>
http://www.converse.com/#/products/Sneakers/ChuckTaylor/138647F

amoergosum
11-14-2012, 12:12 PM
I don't know. I hear a lot of the Asian influences Kim always brought to the table.

It will be interesting to see the credits.

Halfway There is the song that comes closes to Cornell's solo stuff. It's his version of Beatles pop. The song has a good spot on the album. His voice sounds excellent, btw. This albums makes me want to see this band play live.

>>>

Been Away Too Long
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cornell/Shepherd

Non-State Actor
Lyrics: Thayil/Cornell
Music: Shepherd

By Crooked Steps
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cameron/Thayil/Shepherd

A Thousand Days Before
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Thayil

Blood on the Valley Floor
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Thayil

Bones of Birds
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cornell

Taree
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Shepherd

Attrition
Lyrics: Shepherd
Music: Shepherd

Black Saturday
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cornell

Halfway There
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cornell

Worse Dreams
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cornell

Eyelid’s Mouth
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Cameron

Rowing
Lyrics: Cornell
Music: Shepherd/Cornell

Source:
http://grungereport.net/?p=17969

Morlock
11-14-2012, 12:13 PM
Yeah, I checked the credits yesterday after buying the album. Kim has more writing credit on this than on Down on the Upside.

Still digging King Animal.

houseofglass11
11-14-2012, 02:40 PM
Since you can't follow logical conversation there is really no point in continuing is there?

Well it's pretty hard to find the logic in a statement like "You do know the band existed before 2000 right?". As for this tired political discussion that has taken place in the past few pages...not a single fuck given.

reprise85
11-14-2012, 03:03 PM
70,000/25,674,681 = .00273, or about .273%

I bet reprise just used a different estimate for the population of Texas. Either way, a valid point.

sorry did quick math, and yeah i used a smaller population estimate.

Rider
11-14-2012, 04:11 PM
Well it's pretty hard to find the logic in a statement like "You do know the band existed before 2000 right?". As for this tired political discussion that has taken place in the past few pages...not a single fuck given.

Your the one implicating that you can only be here if you discuss post 2000 albums not me.

Again logic and conversation not your friend.

T&T
11-14-2012, 06:51 PM
Your the one implicating that you can only be here if you discuss post 2000 albums not me.

Again logic and conversation not your friend.
*You're

houseofglass11
11-15-2012, 03:50 AM
Your the one implicating that you can only be here if you discuss post 2000 albums not me.

Again logic and conversation not your friend.

I never implicated that at all. I don't know where you got that from. You said "People arguing over which crappy post 2000 Pumpkins albums sucks less makes me hate humanity." And I essentially said "what are you doing here then? this is a smashing pumpkins message board where people are going to talk about their work". I didn't know there was a moratorium here on discussing BC's post-2000 work, but thanks for clarifying.

Again reading comprehension apparently not your friend.

amoergosum
11-15-2012, 05:39 AM
Hits Daily Double is reporting that based on one day sales, Soundgarden’s new album King Animal will sell 70-75,000 copies in its first week in the United States, and will likely debut at #5. Soundgarden’s last album Down on the Upside debuted at #2 and sold 176,000 copies in its first week on sale in May 1996. For comparison’s sake, here is how Soundgarden’s 90′s contemporaries most recent albums did opening week.

Pearl Jam- Backspacer (2009)
#1 with 189,000 copies sold opening week

Alice In Chains- Black Gives Way to Blue (2009)
#5 with 126,000 copies sold opening week

Stone Temple Pilots- Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
#2 with 62,000 copies sold opening week

Smashing Pumpkins- Oceania (2012)
#4 with 54,000 copies sold opening week

Jane’s Addiction- The Great Escape Artist (2011)
#12 with 24,000 copies sold

Source:
http://grungereport.net/?p=18004

amoergosum
11-15-2012, 05:42 AM
A couple of days ago Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell said he helped get Billy Corgan and the Smashing Pumpkins a spot on the Singles soundtrack in 1992 when Corgan was broke, and that BillCo was especially happy to make the $40,000. He also joked that he wanted the money back from Corgan. Billy Corgan has called Soundgarden’s reunion a cash grab quite a few times this year, saying that they like many other bands have ran to the till for money. Corgan stated that his problems with Cornell dated back to a 2007 interview where Cornell said the Smashing Pumpkins reunion wasn’t legitimate. He also mentioned that if somebody hits him, he will hit back.

I did some digging and found an interview with Billy Corgan from a year ago with Matt Pinfield where he gives his side of the story regarding the Singles soundtrack.

“I got a call one day from somebody who said Cameron Crowe wants to talk to you. Danny Bramson was the music producer on it and they called me in my shitty Chicago apartment, and they said do you have any songs that we can use for it this is going to be a good showcase for your band if you want to do it, we’d like to have you involved. Of course they listed the bands that were going to be involved; I was thought hey this is kind of cool. I was a little hesitant because I didn’t want to be any more associated with Seattle than we already were. Everywhere we went we kept being called a Seattle band, by defacto, you know you play this kind of style so you must be from Seattle, and we’re like no we’re from Chicago it’s actually a big city. So I sent them the demo of Drown and they loved it, and said okay you’ve got to get in a studio right away.”

Source:
http://grungereport.net/?p=18015