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Raskolnikov
06-27-2012, 01:16 PM
Didn't see one of these (chances are I just missed it, I'm good at that with the advanced search feature that Netphoria bears) so thought I'd fire up a thread for discussion of the Pisces Iscariot remaster.

Tracklist here: http://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/cd-boxset/the-smashing-pumpkins-pisces-iscariot-remastered.html

Looks like a quality operation to me... obviously the Pulse Cable show DVD will put that a few huge steps up above the DVDs that came with Gish/SD. And while the tracklisting LOOKS promising for the bonus CD, the number of "2012 Mix" annotations has me a little nervous.

Regardless - Pulse Cable Access show, right?!

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Venom
06-27-2012, 01:24 PM
The bonus CD's tracks are kinda meh at first glance.

Corganist
06-27-2012, 01:29 PM
Yeah. I think this is gonna be an awesome set overall, but the bonus tracks do seem to lean a bit heavy on stuff that is already released and/or heavily bootlegged. I'm hopeful on the new mixes though. A couple of those turned out pretty good on the Gish/SD set (Honeyspider :rockon:).

Venom
06-27-2012, 01:34 PM
Jesus Loves His Babies remastered interests me, but that's about it.

mellon_c0llie
06-27-2012, 01:39 PM
I was really wanting a CD quality version of Jennifer Ever.

Venom
06-27-2012, 01:41 PM
I'm sure somebody will do a high-quality rip of the cassette that comes with the PI reissue.

Venom
06-27-2012, 01:43 PM
Monte, ever hear anything about the SP cassette coming with the reissue whether or not it'll be remastered and/or remixed?

DeadOpera
06-27-2012, 01:44 PM
I'm interested to hear crawl and cinder open, but i'm not digging all the 2012 mixes. Hated them on the previous re-issues. (ie kerry brown fucking up BC's solo in starla)

pumped about the pulse cable dvd though. finally!

Trotskilicious
06-27-2012, 01:54 PM
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=176658

rottenugly
06-27-2012, 02:06 PM
I'm sure somebody will do a high-quality rip of the cassette that comes with the PI reissue.

I'll try.

What kinda rip do you guys want? 24/96 FLAC?

opera de nuit
06-27-2012, 02:18 PM
some strange omissions. thought we'd see 'dancing in the moonlight' on the bonus disc. could make the argument for the itunes b-sides thing, but then 'purr snickety' appears as well... maybe some things held over for the SPRC. was hoping for more stuff like 'i fall' and 'snap' from the early eras...

i can also make a high quality cassette rip if anyone needs. maybe there will be a digital equivalent of the tape in case of hiss. or was the siamese/gish bonus only CD? can't remember at the moment.

Venom
06-27-2012, 02:25 PM
What kinda rip do you guys want? 24/96 FLAC?
Yes please.

Venom
06-27-2012, 02:27 PM
I still think there's going to be a pre-Gish release of material if I'm not mistaken so all those early songs might still be released.

amoergosum
06-27-2012, 02:30 PM
I'll try.

What kinda rip do you guys want? 24/96 FLAC?


That would be awesome.

soniclovenoize
06-27-2012, 02:36 PM
Oh wow my penis is hard right now.

You guys, cassette rips are pretty easy. You wouldn't believe the cassette rips I'm doing now.

Funky_Gibbon
06-27-2012, 02:39 PM
The Pulse show? Ok that's sold it for me.

rottenugly
06-27-2012, 02:39 PM
Don't worry guys I have a high-end Technics cassette deck.

soniclovenoize
06-27-2012, 02:42 PM
Wow that's small time man. Here's my setup:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/toyspast/.mids/PlayskoolTapePlayer2Mics.JPG

I have one of these, and then I hold those mics up to my USB mic. But the best part is since there's two microphones on my recorder, I can record IN STEREO!

rottenugly
06-27-2012, 02:56 PM
Psh, that's nothing.

Look at MINE, high end shit.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/d/de/de074b43_755l9or.jpeg

Sonic Johnny
06-27-2012, 02:56 PM
Oh wow my penis is hard right now.

You guys, cassette rips are pretty easy. You wouldn't believe the cassette rips I'm doing now.

Huge cassette rips

opera de nuit
06-27-2012, 03:02 PM
this guy always did the trick for me.

http://71.18.159.100/images/WOW%20FOR%20SALE/TEDDY%20RUXPIN%20TR01/TEDDYRB.jpg

plug his ass into your macbook and you're good to go.

soniclovenoize
06-27-2012, 03:04 PM
Huge cassette rips

I will be ripping the tape




WITH MY PENIS

dustrock
06-27-2012, 03:29 PM
Huh looks pretty cool

wHATcOLOR
06-27-2012, 04:00 PM
jennifer ever 5x in a row. i don't really care for the song but something about that is cool. bill has a good record of putting a ton of material out there. chicago/djali zwan aside, exact opposite then. but during mcis and during these reissues, and all the demos we have, etc. .. a lot more content than a lot of other bands i like would ever put out

soniclovenoize
06-27-2012, 04:35 PM
Remix of Bye June? ;:-/

mellon_c0llie
06-27-2012, 04:56 PM
I don't mind stuff being remixed because I already have the original.

Shallowed
06-27-2012, 04:58 PM
FUCK YES. I'm excited to see the Pulse show being released! What are tracks 20-26 supposed to be from though? Also I'm loving the idea of a SP demo replica.

This is coming out like next month, right?

MonteLDS
06-27-2012, 05:33 PM
Remix of Bye June? ;:-/

puff daddy remix

brendo_91
06-27-2012, 05:43 PM
Remember he ain't working with Kerry brown anymore so chances of the 2012 mixes sucking are lower...

MustardLies
06-27-2012, 05:50 PM
It's mind-boggling that KB managed to find a way to ruin Starla. That takes skill.

Venom
06-27-2012, 06:33 PM
Good riddance to KB but they'll fuck up the new mixes somehow.

dustrock
06-27-2012, 06:41 PM
Butch's remix of La Dolly Vita was good

Venom
06-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Butch knows what he's doing.

Shallowed
06-27-2012, 08:27 PM
Did KB remix anything else other than Starla? It was the only one that stood out to me as a bad remix. Everything else seemed pretty faithfully and appropriately mixed.

It's not like anything from this era needs remixing. Parts of MCIS really need it though. Adore onwards needs a way less intense mastering, but I can't see that happening since the remasters so far have all been way fucking louder.

D.
06-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Still wish they'd replace all the covers with completely new and unheard demos/outtakes.

soniclovenoize
06-27-2012, 08:54 PM
Did KB remix anything else other than Starla? It was the only one that stood out to me as a bad remix. Everything else seemed pretty faithfully and appropriately mixed.

It's not like anything from this era needs remixing. Parts of MCIS really need it though. Adore onwards needs a way less intense mastering, but I can't see that happening since the remasters so far have all been way fucking louder.

I thought the Plume remix was equally terrible.

MustardLies
06-27-2012, 09:43 PM
Did KB remix anything else other than Starla?


Unless I missed something, KB only remixed Starla and Plume, which was not as bad but still shitty.

edit: woooops. didn't see post above me.

amoergosum
06-28-2012, 01:13 AM
Butch's remix of La Dolly Vita was good

The mastering was disappointing though.
Dynamic Range of La Dolly Vita >>> DR7

RenewRevive
06-28-2012, 08:56 PM
Still wish they'd replace all the covers with completely new and unheard demos/outtakes.

yes.

soon as the Gish reissue was released it was apparent this is the way they'd all go. i mean why 5 PI tracks on Gish CD2? totally unnecessary. personally i'd have loved the Gish bonus disk to be all pre-Gish songs, with stuff like Honeyspider, Pulseczar + Drown on the PI bonus disk. things like the live Snail radio performance would be ideal for SPRC (remember that?) release.

also, some would see this as heresy but i could live with the covers on the Pisces album being replaced with actual SP songs - probably Honeyspider and Not Worth Asking.

subzero
06-29-2012, 12:17 AM
It's mind-boggling that KB managed to find a way to ruin Starla. That takes skill.

that starla version owns. i actually like it more now.

DeusExMachina
06-29-2012, 09:46 PM
I just hope they don't make the album cover look retarded like they did with Gish and Siamese Dream. I couldn't give two shits about the CD versions, but as a vinyl collector I care about the presentation and want it to look like the original.

Shallowed
06-29-2012, 09:49 PM
Don't count on it.

soniclovenoize
06-29-2012, 09:49 PM
I just hope they don't make the album cover look retarded like they did with Gish and Siamese Dream. I couldn't give two shits about the CD versions, but as a vinyl collector I care about the presentation and want it to look like the original.

But what if it's the artists intent for it not to look like that? As a vinyl collector, wouldn't you want to accept the artist's intent in regards to the presentation?

soniclovenoize
06-29-2012, 10:48 PM
Filling the whole album with outtakes from "Gish" and "siamese dream" could be a great idea but the songs from here are lacking of originality and their specific energy.
there are good songs like dark and creepy "soothe","Landslide" and "Obscured","Hello kity kat" rocks like nothing before but it is a bit to less to give it 3 stars.
these songs from album are leaving you wanting more but there is nothing more really.unfinished songs,jams and nothing really important for standard rock fan although Pumpkins fans will buy it anyway.

soniclovenoize
06-29-2012, 10:49 PM
This is probably the worst CD I've ever heard! If you consider lots of screaming and cuss words music, go for it. I was hoping for a little quality rock music. This will be the last S.P. CD I will buy.

AveryLoren
06-30-2012, 03:25 AM
I really love the packaging of the reissues but why all filler material as bonuses? I mean we keep hearing how packed the SP vault is and yet they still offer us stuff we already have.

Shallowed
06-30-2012, 04:05 AM
Yeah, I love all of the post cards and individual sleeves for the CDs and the bits of artwork and shit. I'm a sucker for that. Doesn't even really matter what's on disc 2. There didn't even have to be a disc 2, just give me individual bits of cardboard and paper!

DeusExMachina
06-30-2012, 10:10 PM
But what if it's the artists intent for it not to look like that? As a vinyl collector, wouldn't you want to accept the artist's intent in regards to the presentation?

If the artist is Billy Corgan I really couldn't give two shits. Plus, if I'm buying the VINYL version of the album, I am buying it partly for nostalgic reasons that involve listening to the entire album and taking in the packaging and the album as a whole blah blah blah the point is I want it to be close to the original experience because I'm a douche like that.

rottenugly
06-30-2012, 10:17 PM
I agree with everything DeusExMachina says in this thread. It's bullshit that Billy fucked with the artwork because finding a mint (or even a near mint) condition of Siamese Dream on vinyl is nearly impossible unless you want to buy that 2008/09 reissue. It's silly. The "reimagined" artwork didn't even suit the albums.

New Art Rioter
07-01-2012, 06:09 AM
Nah you can still get a near mint Siamese Dream easily on vinyl (original version)

Pisces, Machina and Mellon Collie are the LPs that sorely need reissuing

Zerospaced
07-01-2012, 06:54 AM
I just hope the Pisces vinyls have secret encoded messages on them like the others.

DeadOpera
07-01-2012, 08:08 AM
don't count on it, billy always fucks things up.

AveryLoren
07-01-2012, 01:41 PM
no. we keep hearing that the vault is packed with stuff after siamese dream, dickhead.

live soundboard recordings post SD maybe but as far as material yeah I have read otherwise. ya mung mouthed muppet.

TuralyonW3
07-01-2012, 04:12 PM
AUDSBD

Pizza Club
07-02-2012, 08:07 AM
So shouldn't we have heard something official by now? How long was the preorder page up for the first two re-releases?

MonteLDS
07-02-2012, 08:59 AM
<img src="http://photos.prnewswire.com/pb-large/EN/2012/07/02/12/20120702125958ENPRNPRN-VIRGIN-EMI-SMASHING-PUMPKINS-PISCES-ISCARIOT-90-1341233998MR.jpg">
http://www.crestfallen.com/2012/07/02/pisces-iscariot-deluxe-edition-art-revealed/

Cool As Ice Cream
07-02-2012, 09:13 AM
^ that's some nice english you got there, cuntface.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-02-2012, 09:17 AM
http://i45.tinypic.com/24ffq54.jpg

Cool As Ice Cream
07-02-2012, 09:20 AM
so they're not using any of the cassette artwork (http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=887)?

wounded
07-02-2012, 09:37 AM
looks pretty solid. interested to hear the translucent mix. I love that song.

i still need to buy the gish deluxe. I only bought SD

D.
07-02-2012, 09:38 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/oldwarpilot/lol3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/oldwarpilot/lol2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/oldwarpilot/lol1.jpg

reprise85
07-02-2012, 09:59 AM
lolol

brendo_91
07-02-2012, 10:47 AM
how fucking long do we need to be made aware of things that are to be announced? especially when all we're being made aware of is how much they are being delayed. that fucking sucks, man - "just a little longer, sorry"

emilem
07-02-2012, 11:53 AM
don't understand the reluctancy to release the studio version of slunk. and pointless inclusion of 'why am i so tired' but i guess earphoria won't be rereleased. but i'm getting this, fuck it, PI is great and i never bought it on cd.

btw, any info on crawl?

DeusExMachina
07-02-2012, 01:30 PM
so they're not using any of the cassette artwork (http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=887)?

I LOVE the cassette artwork. It's such a neat photo. I'm sure they will ******* it somewhere in the liner notes. Those black and white photos look awesome. Really glad to see they didn't fuck up the cover as well.

DeusExMachina
07-02-2012, 01:31 PM
...why did it censor "i n c l u d e"?

MonteLDS
07-02-2012, 02:49 PM
...why did it censor "i n c l u d e"?

old hacker issue..


does anyone find it odd that Honeyspider II and Not Worth Asking are missing

amoergosum
07-02-2012, 03:27 PM
old hacker issue..


does anyone find it odd that Honeyspider II and Not Worth Asking are missing


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RenewRevive
07-02-2012, 06:19 PM
old hacker issue..


does anyone find it odd that Honeyspider II and Not Worth Asking are missing

yeah. although it kinda fucks with the original release, which generally is a bad idea, in this case those songs should maybe have replaced Landslide and Girl Named Sandoz because they are, like covers and all.

Shallowed
07-02-2012, 06:30 PM
Landslide and Girl Named Sandoz are highlights of the album, who fucking cares if they're covers, I mean JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU YOUR OPINION IS HORRIBLE

Shallowed
07-02-2012, 06:31 PM
don't understand the reluctancy to release the studio version of slunk. and pointless inclusion of 'why am i so tired' but i guess earphoria won't be rereleased. but i'm getting this, fuck it, PI is great and i never bought it on cd.

btw, any info on crawl?

Slunk is on the Lull EP.

Shallowed
07-02-2012, 06:32 PM
I mean COME ON you would seriously consider fucking with the original tracklist that no-one but you has ever complained about because they're fucking covers???

FUCK

D.
07-02-2012, 06:34 PM
my problem is not with the covers being on the pisces collection but the fact that they put alternate versions of those covers on Gish & SD re-issues - billy must think highly of his wack-ass covers. and it looks like the trend will continue with PI. throw some unheard demo on that shizz instead of re-hashing your dumb covers, ya dig?

LaBelle
07-02-2012, 07:20 PM
no studio version of Razor? I am disappoint

soniclovenoize
07-02-2012, 10:53 PM
no studio version of Razor? I am disappoint

That's because it doesn't exist, if I remember correctly.

redbull
07-03-2012, 12:09 AM
yeah jimmy got drunk and didn't show up to the sessions which is why we have the acoustic fall reel time demo

unless they did it during the gish sessions in madison which seems likely

anyways FUCKING PULSE CABLE SHOW OH MY GOD

redbull
07-03-2012, 12:12 AM
this is kind of crappy that there are only two new songs on this tho :(

and will the rest of the songs on disc 3 be video as well?

redbull
07-03-2012, 12:14 AM
live soundboard recordings post SD maybe but as far as material yeah I have read otherwise. ya mung mouthed muppet.

as i recall the board tapes go from night three of the double door shows > now

AveryLoren
07-03-2012, 01:26 AM
That's what I remember reading numerous times. We all know there is tons of rare stuff he could be putting on this reissues and that's rare as in non-commercially released. Plus I would believe that there are more tracks like Blissed in the vaults.

slunken
07-03-2012, 01:36 AM
i'm hoping all the "unrelated" material is going to be used for archive releases - with the official reissues i'm sure you would have to keep your selections pretty close to the belt

emilem
07-03-2012, 03:25 AM
Slunk is on the Lull EP.

i guess it wasn't clear, but i never understood why they insist on putting the live version on compilations instead of using the ep studio take. i think even on mashed potatoes it's some live take instead of chump or whatever that was. what gives?

i also have a feeling it's the live take from earphoria.

rottenugly
07-03-2012, 04:17 AM
http://c438342.r42.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Smashing-Pumpkins-Pisces-Iscariot.jpg

does the cassette come with a case?

rottenugly
07-03-2012, 04:18 AM
he didnt fuck with the artwork, awrite.

RenewRevive
07-03-2012, 07:15 AM
Landslide and Girl Named Sandoz are highlights of the album

lol, no.

RenewRevive
07-03-2012, 07:18 AM
my problem is not with the covers being on the pisces collection but the fact that they put alternate versions of those covers on Gish & SD re-issues - billy must think highly of his wack-ass covers. and it looks like the trend will continue with PI. throw some unheard demo on that shizz instead of re-hashing your dumb covers, ya dig?

yeah, totally bizarre that they put alt takes on Gish/SD reissues. i kinda knew that PI would be "as is", just vaguely hoping. to me the presence of the covers was always an eyesore - like the godawful Tp Love Somebody on TFE. of course, i totally get why people might like them and want them on the reissue.

soniclovenoize
07-03-2012, 09:35 AM
http://c438342.r42.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Smashing-Pumpkins-Pisces-Iscariot.jpg

does the cassette come with a case?

NOOO! That cassette cover is not there! It was the best one!!

http://landslide.2007.org/omnipedia/pisces-cs.jpg

amoergosum
07-03-2012, 09:41 AM
NOOO! That cassette cover is not there! It was the best one!!

Is has been reimagined...

Raskolnikov
07-03-2012, 10:42 AM
Bundle packages are up for preorder on the official site... looks like the bonus you'll get is a digital download of the cassette songs (which I'd really dig having) - also, you can get a shirt, as seen below.

Cool looking shirt - but am I reading something wrong? The bundle with shirt is $89. Deluxe bundle without shirt is $49. So that shirt is $40?!

http://cdn.topspin.net/secure/media/serve_by_sku/3642705/stream/91532b8e.jpg?e=1341411074&authkey=1341411074_253a82ea8e3135b9f3b51bb14724827 0

MonteLDS
07-03-2012, 11:09 AM
Bundle packages are up for preorder on the official site... looks like the bonus you'll get is a digital download of the cassette songs (which I'd really dig having) - also, you can get a shirt, as seen below.

Cool looking shirt - but am I reading something wrong? The bundle with shirt is $89. Deluxe bundle without shirt is $49. So that shirt is $40?!

http://cdn.topspin.net/secure/media/serve_by_sku/3642705/stream/91532b8e.jpg?e=1341411074&authkey=1341411074_253a82ea8e3135b9f3b51bb14724827 0

they changed the price by $20

soniclovenoize
07-03-2012, 11:22 AM
looks like the bonus you'll get is a digital download of the cassette songs (which I'd really dig having) -
Joke's on you, it's probably just the 13 remasters of the Mashed Potatoes flacs!

Raskolnikov
07-03-2012, 12:24 PM
they changed the price by $20

There we go... much better. I'm in.

Funky_Gibbon
07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
anyways FUCKING PULSE CABLE SHOW OH MY GOD

Yep that sold it for me too... ;)

MustardLies
07-03-2012, 01:59 PM
So I want the bonus tracks, but really really really do not want to deal with topspin again. Can anyone help me out?

D.
07-03-2012, 02:30 PM
who in their right mind would wear that bundle shirt?

shit, never mind, it's the sp board.

BurtSampson
07-03-2012, 03:02 PM
that shirt is so fucking cool but the song titles absolutely kill it for me. like (Remix)? really?

soniclovenoize
07-03-2012, 04:50 PM
that shirt is so fucking cool but the song titles absolutely kill it for me. like (Remix)? really?

But it is a remix. It's called a "Sun (Remix)" to differentiate it from the original mix found on the Light Into Dark compilation.

D.
07-03-2012, 06:15 PM
i mean, i thought the track listing on the back of the mcis shirts was cool; but i was also 14.

stopthestink
07-03-2012, 08:11 PM
NOOO! That cassette cover is not there! It was the best one!!

http://landslide.2007.org/omnipedia/pisces-cs.jpg

I could have sworn i remember seeing a PI promo poster on ebay a long, long time ago which was this image from the cassette. Anyone else recall seeing this? I still look every so often for it but either it's extremely rare or i'm batshit crazy and it never existed.

DeusExMachina
07-03-2012, 09:18 PM
Does anyone know what that thing actually is? It looks like a carnival ride. Something you might see at Coney Island. I might get the shirt bundle, the front is awesome, but yeah, the track listing on the back is entirely unnecessary.

soniclovenoize
07-03-2012, 09:54 PM
I could have sworn i remember seeing a PI promo poster on ebay a long, long time ago which was this image from the cassette. Anyone else recall seeing this? I still look every so often for it but either it's extremely rare or i'm batshit crazy and it never existed.

Yes it existed. I've seen one on the wall of a record store, like 15 years ago.

D.
07-03-2012, 09:55 PM
I could have sworn i remember seeing a PI promo poster on ebay a long, long time ago which was this image from the cassette. Anyone else recall seeing this? I still look every so often for it but either it's extremely rare or i'm batshit crazy and it never existed.
this?

http://spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=IMGVIEW&item=3413

soniclovenoize
07-03-2012, 09:58 PM
this?

http://spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=IMGVIEW&item=3413

No, it's not that one, as cool as that is (Zero font on a PI poster!?!).

What he means is the exact cassette cover I posted but as a poster, and it might have said smashingpumpkinspiscesiscariot on the top too (with a release date?). Again, it was like 15 years ago, and that was the only time I'd ever seen it. :p

LaBelle
07-03-2012, 10:26 PM
That's because it doesn't exist, if I remember correctly.

an even bigger bummer:(

Shallowed
07-03-2012, 11:37 PM
Isn't that the 1979 single font?

iPumpkin
07-04-2012, 01:11 AM
I ordered the $69 package. Bill has been putting out some good shit lately, might as well support him.




Pisces Iscariot Deluxe Box Set + 6 Bonus Tracks + SPRC Exclusive Tshirt: Deluxe Box Set Includes: Original Album Remastered, 17 Previously Unreleased or Alternate Songs, 24 Previously Unreleased Live Performances , First Ever SP Demo Cassette, Postcards, Watercolor Illustrations, Lyrics, Photos, Track-by-Track by Billy Corgan.

Pisces Iscariot Deluxe Box Set: Remastered & reissued for the 1st time with 17 previously unreleased or alternative versions of Pisces Iscariot era songs. 24 Previously Unreleased Live Performances (Pulse Basement Jam, 1988), First Ever SP Demo Reproduced on Cassette, Postcards, Watercolor Illustrations, Lyrics, Photos and Track-by-Track Annotations by Billy Corgan.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-04-2012, 02:02 AM
Isn't that the 1979 single font?

yes.

rottenugly
07-04-2012, 03:07 AM
LYK ZOMG FUCK CASSETTES MAN
I WANTED TO HEAR JENNIFER EVER ON FUCKIN CD MANNNN
FUCK YOU BILLY
BALD HEADED FUCK
I HOPE A BIRD SHTIS ON YOUR HEAD SOMEDAY

myosis
07-04-2012, 11:34 AM
now i'm torn cause the deluxe edition is 20$ cheaper on amazon.ca but there is no download of the cassette tracks.

DeusExMachina
07-04-2012, 11:48 AM
now i'm torn cause the deluxe edition is 20$ cheaper on amazon.ca but there is no download of the cassette tracks.

As if someone isn't going to post a link to them here.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-04-2012, 12:18 PM
now i'm torn cause the deluxe edition is 20$ cheaper on amazon.ca but there is no download of the cassette tracks.

just download them online.
i plan to steal the hifi audio and the bonus tracks download. maybe they'll have a hifi version of those too.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-04-2012, 12:19 PM
as if you'd ever pay $20 for a 6-track download. LOLRIGHT?

redbull
07-04-2012, 04:08 PM
So I want the bonus tracks, but really really really do not want to deal with topspin again. Can anyone help me out?

mediafire.com

Venom
07-04-2012, 04:14 PM
Bingo. Wait for it's released and someone will post the tracks here more than likely.

stopthestink
07-04-2012, 07:08 PM
Does anyone know what that thing actually is? It looks like a carnival ride. Something you might see at Coney Island.

It is a carnival ride. I know every ride usually have several different names but around here it was called the "Salt n' Pepper Shaker".

It was always one of the "top-tier" rides at the local fair. Which is just another reason why I loved the cover. (Sorry for the size, only good shot I could find)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O-962w52X3s/TkLlpinEBgI/AAAAAAAACNs/WssfGhuCYog/s1600/salt%2Band%2Bpepper%2Bshakers_.jpg

Araneae
07-04-2012, 08:32 PM
The track list is disappointing. I think I'll wait for the pirate version. Are songs like "she says" or "tulips" never going to see the light of day? I don't have faith in the SPRC releasing anything since they've done fuck all since their inception.

slunken
07-04-2012, 09:58 PM
i honestly believe that they are waiting until the reissues are out of the way before focusing on the archives.

marce
07-04-2012, 10:01 PM
bummer, i was hoping they would ******* not worth asking in the bonus disc. i was looking forward to finally getting a non vinyl sourced version of it...

at least they included purr snickety, which could easily be one of my favorite sp b-sides. hope they didn't remix it...

marce
07-04-2012, 10:03 PM
hmmm. blissed is a 2012 mix. weird for a song that wasn't released before other than in the flexi...

Cool As Ice Cream
07-05-2012, 01:28 AM
I don't have faith in the SPRC releasing anything since they've done fuck all since their inception.

i honestly believe that they are waiting until the reissues are out of the way before focusing on the archives.

good thing they were in such a rush then to announce the lucky 13 on friday the 13th. that was really worth it.
just imagine they would have announced it on just any day. dunno. somewhere closer to the day they could actually start doing stuff. oh, the horror. i can't think about it.

whir
07-05-2012, 02:37 AM
Can someone upload Blissed (preferably in lossless)? Thanks in advance.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-05-2012, 02:52 AM
Can someone upload Blissed (preferably in lossless)? Thanks in advance.

check the thread about the flexidisc, man.
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost.php?p=3861651&postcount=177

RenewRevive
07-05-2012, 12:49 PM
The track list is disappointing. I think I'll wait for the pirate version. Are songs like "she says" or "tulips" never going to see the light of day? I don't have faith in the SPRC releasing anything since they've done fuck all since their inception.

yeah, surprising that they didn't make it onto anything. maybe they don't exist except in the really poor quality version that leaked? if this is the case i can see why they didn't want to put them out on an official release.

whir
07-05-2012, 01:42 PM
Thanks CAIC!

rottenugly
07-05-2012, 05:22 PM
puff daddy remix

http://laughoutloudlaughoutloudlaughoutloud.ytmnd.com/

emotionalfriend
07-05-2012, 07:51 PM
announce the lucky 13 on friday the 13th

That just had to be Monte's idea. It reeks of his lameness.

marce
07-07-2012, 10:53 PM
the "Pisces Iscariot Box Set Audio High Fidelity Download" presale gives you the alternative of "source audio" for the bonus tracks... i guess that means 24/96? that would be nice

Monet LSD
07-07-2012, 10:57 PM
Looks like more questionable "re-imagined" art, like maybe some Linda Strawberry watercolor painting...some crude attempt at re-painting the original album art...ugghh:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EF1mrvLrL._SS500_.jpg

2 CDs of stuff we've already heard a million times, except for a couple of tracks. Not interested in "remasters" or "2012 Mixes". Not interested in hearing "bonus tracks" that came out on Viewphoria/Earphoria a million years ago. All this stuff sounded totally fine before remastering, & it would be way more interesting to hear some actual rare stuff. Looks like the bonus DVD is the only thing to look forward to here.

Song samples up on Amazon. Meh.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HVJM44/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B008HVJM44&linkCode=as2&tag=hipstunite-20

:nooooo:

soniclovenoize
07-07-2012, 11:05 PM
Looks like more questionable "re-imagined" art, like maybe some Linda Strawberry watercolor painting...some crude attempt at re-painting the original album art...ugghh:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EF1mrvLrL._SS500_.jpg

2 CDs of stuff we've already heard a million times, except for a couple of tracks. Not interested in "remasters" or "2012 Mixes". Not interested in hearing "bonus tracks" that came out on Viewphoria/Earphoria a million years ago. All this stuff sounded totally fine before remastering, & it would be way more interesting to hear some actual rare stuff. Looks like the bonus DVD is the only thing to look forward to here.

Song samples up on Amazon. Meh.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HVJM44/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B008HVJM44&linkCode=as2&tag=hipstunite-20

:nooooo:

For every copy not sold, there is less of a chance of interesting remaster sets in the future.

I need you alone to buy three copies of this to help ensure the resequenced/remixed/remastered Machina next year.

Monet LSD
07-07-2012, 11:09 PM
Will probably buy the vinyl; hopefully they're good quality pressings.

TuralyonW3
07-07-2012, 11:29 PM
The blissed mix is pretty different than the flexi

TuralyonW3
07-07-2012, 11:31 PM
Hmm not sure about that glynis mix

Shallowed
07-08-2012, 12:00 AM
Holy crap, "Cinder Open" isn't Cinder from Mashed Potatoes, it's the untitled instrumental on the FAEOMM tape.

DeusExMachina
07-08-2012, 12:25 AM
I don't understand what the big deal is with the 2012 mix stuff. Doesn't that just mean they have remastered the tracks? The songs on the other reissues were remastered well, weren't they?

soniclovenoize
07-08-2012, 12:30 AM
I don't understand what the big deal is with the 2012 mix stuff. Doesn't that just mean they have remastered the tracks? The songs on the other reissues were remastered well, weren't they?

There is a difference between a "remix" and a "remaster".

A remaster is a new tweeking of the final master mixes that were originally made. This would 1nclud3 new EQ and compression perimeters. For example, the Siamese Dream remaster was the original final mixes from 1993, but it was made louder and brighter in the mastering process...

A remix is when you create a completely new final master mix straight from the multi-track mastertapes, disregarding the orignal final mix made before. An example of this is the Starla 2011 mix, in which Corgan had little to no vocal effects (as opposed to the "Vig-Corgan Vocal formula" on the orignal), made the guitars more upfront in the mix and put new effects on the solo.

Mixing and mastering are different steps of the production process.

DeusExMachina
07-08-2012, 12:32 AM
Interesting. I'll have to listen to both versions to see if I hear a difference. Someone should make a bootleg version of the album that's essentially a playlist of all the original, unaltered tracks. I have a ton of rare/unreleased tracks but it's hard to keep track of what I have and what I don't.

TuralyonW3
07-08-2012, 12:38 AM
Kinda sucks that the mash potatoes cinder won't end up on a reissue apparently. Its pretty rockin

D.
07-08-2012, 03:08 AM
Crawl sounds dope.

Not excited about Cinder Open being a previously-"released" track.

But I hold hope that bolly may one day do a non-commercial release of completely new outtakes. meh.

Shallowed
07-08-2012, 03:22 AM
It's a completely different version though, and better yet it's uncut.

emilem
07-08-2012, 03:25 AM
meh, crawl is just another of these boring guitar + bongos crap.

D.
07-08-2012, 03:34 AM
meh, crawl is just another of these boring guitar + bongos crap.
naw

you suck.

DeadOpera
07-08-2012, 07:38 AM
cinder open really belongs on PI reissue? I would have thought maybe TAFH reissue. sounds a lot like the porcelina riff but on a 12 string.

New Art Rioter
07-08-2012, 07:51 AM
I was really hoping for the proper Cinder, love that song :( Or studio versions of 365, Opal/Worship, Try To Try etc...

DeadOpera
07-08-2012, 08:04 AM
same here, hearing the samples was a let down.

soniclovenoize
07-08-2012, 09:23 AM
studio versions of 365, Opal/Worship, Try To Try etc...


I thought we already covered this. Studio versions of that batch of songs don't exist.

soniclovenoize
07-08-2012, 09:24 AM
cinder open really belongs on PI reissue? I would have thought maybe TAFH reissue. sounds a lot like the porcelina riff but on a 12 string.

TAFH material would be 1995-1996; PI material is apparently 1988-1994. Cinder dates form that later era.

Glopaiswe
07-08-2012, 10:37 AM
vocals on plume sound interesting

Corganist
07-08-2012, 10:45 AM
same here, hearing the samples was a let down.

Same here. I was holding out hope that some of the songs that looked familiar would be at least be brand new versions or something. But no. There are six songs here that have been officially released on CD already, and half of those didn't even get a 2012 remix. There is no reason there should be three Earphoria songs on this, and especially not Why Am I So Tired, which takes up enough disc space for at least 3 or 4 things we may not have heard before.

It really makes me wonder what the state of the SP archive from 1988 to 1994 really is if this is what they have to do to fill a disc. Ignoffo tapes, Mashed Potatoes, WZRD show....this is all stuff with which any fan with even a passing interest in unreleased material is already exceedingly familiar.

But hey, Pulse Cable show.

Grox
07-08-2012, 11:51 AM
Same here. I was holding out hope that some of the songs that looked familiar would be at least be brand new versions or something. But no. There are six songs here that have been officially released on CD already, and half of those didn't even get a 2012 remix. There is no reason there should be three Earphoria songs on this, and especially not Why Am I So Tired, which takes up enough disc space for at least 3 or 4 things we may not have heard before.

It really makes me wonder what the state of the SP archive from 1988 to 1994 really is if this is what they have to do to fill a disc. Ignoffo tapes, Mashed Potatoes, WZRD show....this is all stuff with which any fan with even a passing interest in unreleased material is already exceedingly familiar.

But hey, Pulse Cable show.

bill's thinking is probably about presenting the best material he's got to fans who haven't heard it before......

New Art Rioter
07-08-2012, 12:12 PM
I thought we already covered this. Studio versions of that batch of songs don't exist.

A man can dream, these things are never a definate

RenewRevive
07-08-2012, 01:05 PM
with the amount of pre-Gish material showing up on the reissues so far, it looks like an official collected release of these songs is now very unlikely. too bad. barring the SPRC (lol) seems we won't be getting the following:

* Under Your Spell
* Daughter
* C'Mon
* Egg
* Love
* Psychodelic
* Snap
* Stars Fall In
* With You

plus the old drum-machine era SP like the Vigil and some of the acoustic RTS songs.

Venom
07-08-2012, 01:28 PM
I thought was working on releasing pre-Gish material? Didn't they say that around the first of the year in regards to what's coming?

RenewRevive
07-08-2012, 04:24 PM
maybe so, i recall something was mentioned, but not the specifics. i hope you are right. billy is pretty dismissive of everything from that era. and Gish too, actually. apparently, he couldn't write for shit back then, unlike with Zeit obviously :erm:

emotionalfriend
07-08-2012, 04:43 PM
with the amount of pre-Gish material showing up on the reissues so far, it looks like an official collected release of these songs is now very unlikely. too bad. barring the SPRC (lol) seems we won't be getting the following:

* Under Your Spell
* Daughter
* C'Mon
* Egg
* Love
* Psychodelic
* Snap
* Stars Fall In
* With You

plus the old drum-machine era SP like the Vigil and some of the acoustic RTS songs.

Looks like we'll just have to listen to the copies we have, and we won't be able to bitch about lack of dynamic range and dry vocals.

Venom
07-08-2012, 05:13 PM
At least be glad the copies we do have are in pretty good quality.

Shallowed
07-08-2012, 05:52 PM
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/albums/pisces-iscariot-reissue/

SPRC Exclusives
– Limited Edition Exclusive Bundles

What is this actually referring to?

Venom
07-08-2012, 05:54 PM
I think I'll be getting the 180G vinyl for a change and pirating the rest.

Woody
07-08-2012, 06:01 PM
If this was the same price as Siamese/Gish I'd snap it up - but 40!?

For an album I already own, a patchy rarities disc and a tape I won't ever use.

40!? Madness!

Venom
07-08-2012, 07:54 PM
Yeah, the bonus track selection is pretty disappointing but it'd still be worth it for the liner notes and whatnot though.

mruci
07-09-2012, 01:24 AM
Looks like we'll just have to listen to the copies we have, and we won't be able to bitch about lack of dynamic range and dry vocals.

why am i so tired burns up over 15 minutes though, that's 3-4 great songs like I Fall, Egg, Stars Fall In, etc getting left off

DeadOpera
07-09-2012, 08:05 AM
TAFH material would be 1995-1996; PI material is apparently 1988-1994. Cinder dates form that later era.

but we have it on faeomm so it was kinda weird seeing it on PI. I also think some of tafh is from 94-96.

soniclovenoize
07-09-2012, 09:42 AM
but we have it on faeomm so it was kinda weird seeing it on PI. I also think some of tafh is from 94-96.

FAEOMM was unofficial, a mix tape Corgan made for (was it a hockey player? I don't remember, but I'm sure it can be looked up). He just randomly picked some old songs to fill up space on the tape. I wouldn't say a mixtape Corgan made in 1999 is indicative of Corgan's intent to "wrap up an era" in 1994 with PI, especially that it was made for one person, not the entire world. It's a bootleg, not an official release.

As for TAFH, the recordings you are thinking of were MCIS demo tapes and soundboard demos contained inside of the Pasticio Medley, which were all ideas for MCIS itself. Marquis, Mouths and Pennies were recorded after MCIS in 1995 at a b-side session; God and Tribute to Johnny were MCIS outtakes from 1995.

My point is there seems to be a dividing line between what Corgan feels is this first era of the Pumpkins (Pre-Gish to SD) and then everything afterwards. PI was the "cleanup" album to get the best of that first era, and wouldn't have anything after that dividing line, sometime in 1994.

soniclovenoize
07-09-2012, 09:48 AM
I thought was working on releasing pre-Gish material? Didn't they say that around the first of the year in regards to what's coming?

Yes he did. And if you look at it, there's still an album's worth of material here from the Ignoffo Sessions (the most releasable of it all):

Egg
C'mon
Daughter
East
Honeyspider (mellow)
Love
Not Worth Asking
Psychedelic
Snap
Stars Fall In
Fat Man Blues
Sun
Stray Cat Blues
I Am One pt 2
Mother

I'm not saying this will come out (I kinda think it won't) but it could still plausibly come out with those remaining tracks. Maybe Corgan alreday has this completed, and we're seeing the remaining tracks NOT on this album here being released on PI, so all the tracks are covered?

Venom
07-09-2012, 10:01 AM
There's also Bleed to add to that list which I actually thought would make it to the PI reissue. Anyways FAEOMM is an awesome mixtape, love that live version of X.Y.U. from the Dodger Stadium show in '98. :D

iPumpkin
07-09-2012, 10:02 AM
Got a strange email today:

Your back/special order has not yet arrived. Please know that we are working on getting it for you as soon as possible. As soon as it arrives, your order will be shipped! In the event the product becomes unavailable, we will notify you. Thank you for your patience.

Venom
07-09-2012, 10:10 AM
Did you order the PI reissue? Perhaps you'll get it earlier than the release date?

Raskolnikov
07-09-2012, 10:27 AM
Got a strange email today:

Your back/special order has not yet arrived. Please know that we are working on getting it for you as soon as possible. As soon as it arrives, your order will be shipped! In the event the product becomes unavailable, we will notify you. Thank you for your patience.

Same here - and yeah, I ordered the deluxe reissue. Odd email to say the least... already doubting Topspin's ability once again.

TheNewZackMorri
07-09-2012, 12:05 PM
Got a strange email today:

Your back/special order has not yet arrived. Please know that we are working on getting it for you as soon as possible. As soon as it arrives, your order will be shipped! In the event the product becomes unavailable, we will notify you. Thank you for your patience.Got the same email. I ordered the deluxe reissue as well as the vinyl. Really doesn't make me feel positive about getting it on time if they don't even have it at their facility to ship yet.

emotionalfriend
07-09-2012, 01:32 PM
why am i so tired burns up over 15 minutes though, that's 3-4 great songs like I Fall, Egg, Stars Fall In, etc getting left off

I totally agree with that. Including that and French Movie Theme is just non-sensical, or done just to piss people like us off. It just as aggravating as when "Girl Named Sandoz" was put on the Gish bonus disc when this Pisces reissue was already in the works. But instead of songs we already have copies of, it would be awesome if those 3-4 songs would be stuff we've never heard (such as "Crawl" even if that ends up sucking), or stuff that we don't have very good copies of, like "The Vigil".

However, I do agree that "I Fall" would've been great to have.

And I do understand wanting official release of songs we have bootlegged copies of. I was guilty of this myself when hoping that "Translucent" would be part of this re-issue.

There's also Bleed to add to that list which I actually thought would make it to the PI reissue.

I was totally expecting "Bleed" to make the cut. Especially after it was played recently.

DeusExMachina
07-09-2012, 02:15 PM
FAEOMM was unofficial, a mix tape Corgan made for (was it a hockey player? I don't remember, but I'm sure it can be looked up). He just randomly picked some old songs to fill up space on the tape. I wouldn't say a mixtape Corgan made in 1999 is indicative of Corgan's intent to "wrap up an era" in 1994 with PI, especially that it was made for one person, not the entire world. It's a bootleg, not an official release.

Wait... when you say FAEOMM you mean Friends and Enemies of Modern Music, right? Isn't that the same as Machina II?

emotionalfriend
07-09-2012, 02:54 PM
Wait... when you say FAEOMM you mean Friends and Enemies of Modern Music, right? Isn't that the same as Machina II?

Nope, a separate release with a similar name.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=165&boot_display=2|0||

soniclovenoize
07-09-2012, 03:33 PM
From a 60m cassette given by BC to an online fan in April 2000, with instructions to "circulate these".

Well what bootleg am I thinking of that was given to a hockey player? Fuck!

Venom
07-09-2012, 04:04 PM
If you don't already have FAEOMM, get it now. It's a pretty good release.

DeusExMachina
07-09-2012, 04:10 PM
I have no idea how to get these things. Hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge.

Venom
07-09-2012, 04:47 PM
Zomb's a good start.

soniclovenoize
07-09-2012, 05:26 PM
I have the bootleg CD of it from 2000 or 2001. I should probably upload it in case someone wants something other than the 13 remaster, huh?

reprise85
07-09-2012, 05:29 PM
yes

please

soniclovenoize
07-09-2012, 05:35 PM
ZOMB is down for some reason. I could put it on what.cd?

soniclovenoize
07-09-2012, 05:40 PM
It's this disc...
http://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-The-Original-FEMM-Tape/release/3435072

Shallowed
07-09-2012, 06:51 PM
but we have it on faeomm so it was kinda weird seeing it on PI. I also think some of tafh is from 94-96.

We've always known that it was SD-era

http://spfreaks.com/default.aspx?page=IMGVIEW&item=7204
http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=165

The cassette itself was completely unlabeled, leading the final track, 'Cinder Open', to be listed here as '(untitled SD-era instr)' for quite some time, as that was the only clue given to what it was (it was suggested that the song was never given a title).

Shallowed
07-09-2012, 06:53 PM
done just to piss people like us off.

...really?

Corganist
07-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Well what bootleg am I thinking of that was given to a hockey player? Fuck!

That was the Machina Acoustic Demos.

aeroplume
07-10-2012, 12:34 PM
so cinder open is from siamese dream?

i'm confused as hell on this one

Venom
07-10-2012, 12:51 PM
SD-era, yes. How exactly is it confusing?

Cool As Ice Cream
07-10-2012, 01:03 PM
AS HELL!

whywontyoulistn
07-10-2012, 01:16 PM
I have no idea how to get these things. Hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge.

Oh, hey, it's on thepumpkins.net; I always forget about that place.

http://thepumpkins.net/music/97-music-the-friends-and-enemies-of-modern-music

Venom
07-10-2012, 02:01 PM
Yes it is if you don't mind MP3s.

soniclovenoize
07-10-2012, 02:50 PM
Yes it is if you don't mind MP3s.

If one was the type who minded mp3s, they'd already know where to look to find something better. ;)

DeusExMachina
07-10-2012, 03:21 PM
Oh, hey, it's on thepumpkins.net; I always forget about that place.

http://thepumpkins.net/music/97-music-the-friends-and-enemies-of-modern-music

Ooooh man, thanks. I had no idea about this site. I'm admittedly not the most hardcore of fans in terms of searching out live stuff and demos.

Robert Paulson
07-11-2012, 11:32 AM
Why didn't they just use this version of Blue Skies? This sounds so much better even with the excessive nasal sounds

redbull
07-11-2012, 01:25 PM
why didn't they not ruin the production on zeitgeist?

why was heavy metal machine placed on machina?

why haven't the chicago songs come out?

we will never know

Pizza Club
07-11-2012, 02:23 PM
why haven't the chicago songs come out?

we will never know

We DO know this one though. It's because redbull said something mean about them 8 years ago. :(

redbull
07-11-2012, 03:53 PM
We DO know this one though. It's because redbull said something mean about them 8 years ago. :(

pretty sure I was still posting on blamo in 2004:cry:

Shallowed
07-11-2012, 03:56 PM
We'll have to go back in time and terminate you.

soniclovenoize
07-11-2012, 04:54 PM
pretty sure I was still posting on blamo in 2004:cry:

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HEAR YOU BLAMO SPY!

Woody
07-11-2012, 07:05 PM
This has dropped to the slightly... SLIGHTLY... more reasonable 29 on Amazon.co.uk and in response I have bought it. Pretty sure Billy read my post in here and got his people on it.

Zerospaced
07-12-2012, 03:52 PM
Just got this today...


We would like you to know that your order has shipped!
All items were shipped unless noted in the BackOrd column below. Items on backorder will follow.

Your order confirmation # is ###### received on 07/11/12. You will need to refer to your order confirmation # if you e-mail us.

Ordered Shipped BackOrd Title
1 1 0 SMASHING PUMPKINS / PISCES

Venom
07-12-2012, 06:29 PM
Ooooh, might get some rips posted before the release date. :D

soniclovenoize
07-12-2012, 07:36 PM
Wow, if I thought you guys would actually get the pre-orders on or before the release date, I would have done it. :(

Venom
07-12-2012, 11:52 PM
Well, there's always the MCIS reissue. :P

DeusExMachina
07-13-2012, 12:21 AM
Why not pre-order from Amazon? That's what I did. It's much cheaper and it's Amazon so they will ship it on time.

Venom
07-13-2012, 12:58 AM
Well for one there's the chance you won't receive it before the release date as it seems some are.

That, and there's some stuff you can't pre-order on Amazon like the 24/96 HQ downloads.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-13-2012, 01:53 AM
why on earth would one need to pre-order a download?

Fonzie
07-13-2012, 02:09 AM
is it just me or have the purchase links disappeared from SPRC for this?

Cool As Ice Cream
07-13-2012, 02:20 AM
here? http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/store/reissues/
or is that not what you meant?

Glopaiswe
07-13-2012, 10:30 AM
Someone leak this thing already

TheNewZackMorri
07-13-2012, 12:13 PM
It'll probably leak today or tomorrow. People should be getting their orders soon. Mine came today.

soniclovenoize
07-13-2012, 12:18 PM
It'll probably leak today or tomorrow. People should be getting their orders soon. Mine came today.

AAAAAANNNNNDDDDD it's off to what.cd I go!

ozegaib
07-13-2012, 12:36 PM
Does someone have an invitation to what.cd? I was member on Oink... miss that

bs1933
07-13-2012, 12:45 PM
yeah it would rule if someone ripped this and put it online. mostly because i want to tweet billy and tell him that i stole it off the internet for free as his punishment for not shipping my freakin oceania order yet.

emotionalfriend
07-13-2012, 01:15 PM
yeah it would rule if someone ripped this and put it online. mostly because i want to tweet billy and tell him that i stole it off the internet for free as his punishment for not shipping my freakin oceania order yet.

No need to tweet now, as I'm sure he'll read this soon enough.

TheNewZackMorri
07-13-2012, 01:28 PM
The most exciting thing so far is that the booklet contains lyrics. Score! Finally know for sure what he was singing in Soothe and Frail and Bedazzled.

DeusExMachina
07-13-2012, 02:31 PM
Mediafire that shit, dood.

New Art Rioter
07-13-2012, 02:52 PM
Any chance of a few nice pics of the box and contents at least please? Or a bonus disc rip if you're feeling kind!

By the way, the tape artwork is used on the back of the vinyl reissue. Must say I quite like the "reimagining" of the cover art this time. Much more subtle and true to the original covers than Gish and Siamese.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3731972

TheNewZackMorri
07-13-2012, 03:27 PM
I haven't ripped the bonus disc yet; only the main disc. Going to dinner in a bit and will leave that disc ripping. Also going to try and transfer the tape.

One noticeable thing so far: Plume is different than the previous album version.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2s63f3p.jpghttp://i47.tinypic.com/30cyu11.jpg

rottenugly
07-13-2012, 03:27 PM
Not digging the website url on the back cover on the LP.

reprise85
07-13-2012, 04:13 PM
so what is he saying in soothe

Venom
07-13-2012, 05:10 PM
It's not on What.CD... yet.

However, is it possible for anyone to do a proper Exact Audio Copy FLAC rip? If you need to know how to set up EAC use this tutorial that has pictures (http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/435208-Installing-configuring-and-ripping-with-Exact-Audio-Copy-(EAC)).

JRock
07-13-2012, 05:34 PM
I would love for someone to post a rip...i ordered mine but i am dying to hear a remastered Starla!!!

Venom
07-13-2012, 05:36 PM
Patience, I'm sure somebody will kindly do the deed for us.

Raskolnikov
07-13-2012, 05:39 PM
Must say I quite like the "reimagining" of the cover art this time. Much more subtle and true to the original covers than Gish and Siamese.


Fully, fully agree on this one. Can't handle the bastardization of the color scheme, but altering the texture works great in this scenario.

Here's to hoping for a non-neon colored MCIS...

I haven't gotten any notification of mine being shipped yet. Bummer.

Venom
07-13-2012, 05:42 PM
Speaking of the PI reissue cover, any high res (or 600x600 and above) scans and/or pictures of the cover of the box yet? I'll need one for my digital copy once I have one.

JRock
07-13-2012, 05:47 PM
you know, I have been back and forth about the Soothe lyrics since 1994 when i would listen to this album like 5 times a day. I always hoped it was "hold me again," but through the years i have come to terms with the fact that its "hungry again." Oh well. Still a stellar song.

emotionalfriend
07-13-2012, 06:18 PM
Not digging the website url on the back cover on the LP.

How dare they!

Monet LSD
07-13-2012, 06:40 PM
you know, I have been back and forth about the Soothe lyrics since 1994 when i would listen to this album like 5 times a day. I always hoped it was "hold me again," but through the years i have come to terms with the fact that its "hungry again." Oh well. Still a stellar song.

I always thought it was "Harm me again".

TheNewZackMorri
07-13-2012, 06:41 PM
Speaking of the PI reissue cover, any high res (or 600x600 and above) scans and/or pictures of the cover of the box yet? I'll need one for my digital copy once I have one.Here you go. Much larger than 600x600.
http://www.mediafire.com/?wpfgl1c8kp3cf6m
As for Soothe, it's "hungry, hungry again".

Monet LSD
07-13-2012, 06:42 PM
One noticeable thing so far: Plume is different than the previous album version.

Different as in dramatic sound quality-wise? Or absolutely a different take/version?

rottenugly
07-13-2012, 07:08 PM
How dare they!

!!!

TheNewZackMorri
07-13-2012, 07:46 PM
Different as in dramatic sound quality-wise? Or absolutely a different take/version?Musically, it's a lot more crunchy and bright sounding. And it's a totally different vocal take. At both points he says, "i don't care or give a fuck".

Glopaiswe
07-13-2012, 07:53 PM
you can tell by the sample that it's a different take

marce
07-13-2012, 07:54 PM
As for Soothe, it's "hungry, hungry again".

wow, i didn't not expect that. i always assumed it was either hold me or harm me.

marce
07-13-2012, 07:55 PM
Musically, it's a lot more crunchy and bright sounding. And it's a totally different vocal take. At both points he says, "i don't care or give a fuck".

any other highlight? how about disc 2?

reprise85
07-13-2012, 09:33 PM
wow, i didn't not expect that. i always assumed it was either hold me or harm me.

i thought it was hungry but over the years got kinda convinced it was hold me. feel dumb now. i did this with mustard lies/must i lie also. the internet lies

Venom
07-13-2012, 10:03 PM
Here you go. Much larger than 600x600.
Thanks. From those scans I was able to come up with...

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6990/pi800x800.jpg

Araneae
07-13-2012, 10:18 PM
Is this worth getting? Are there new track-by-track notes by Billy or the same notes that appeared in the original release?

Araneae
07-13-2012, 10:32 PM
What's up with the black and white photographs that come with it? At least the other ones in the Gish and Siamese Dream boxsets are artwork pictures from the album or photos of the band. I don't get how those postcards relate to the album or the band.

DeusExMachina
07-13-2012, 10:45 PM
Don't complain, I love me some vintage photos.

marce
07-13-2012, 10:47 PM
Is this worth getting? Are there new track-by-track notes by Billy or the same notes that appeared in the original release?

i wonder exactly the same about the liner notes

DeusExMachina
07-13-2012, 10:51 PM
It's interesting how the liner notes in the Gish and Siamese Dream reissues are just as obnoxious and trying-too-hard-to-be-poetic as the ones in the original version of PI were. I just want Billy to tell me about the god damn tracks.

Araneae
07-13-2012, 10:58 PM
Not complaining about the photographs. I think they look nice. I just don't get it. It's like him trying-too-hard-to-be-poetic using photographs.

I take it that nothing in the track-by-track reveals anything new or noteworthy?

TheNewZackMorri
07-14-2012, 12:08 AM
Is this worth getting? Are there new track-by-track notes by Billy or the same notes that appeared in the original release?I was in the same boat as everyone else in thinking that we already have all this stuff. I've been pleasantly surprised though. There is much more clarity in the bonus tracks than what we have heard thus far. I would definitely suggest buying it.

The track-by-track notes are new and dated "billy corgan february 21, 2012". Here's the notes about Blew Away as an example: a tune that perfectly captures the james iha i met in 1987, long before he too was swallowed under the great big wave of an assumed success. i will say had little to do with this song beyond arranging it, being gratefully left out of the recording process for once. starry-eyed and countrified, this is a strong effort for a lazy eye.

DeusExMachina
07-14-2012, 12:14 AM
a tune that perfectly captures the james iha i met in 1987, long before he too was swallowed under the great big wave of an assumed success. i will say had little to do with this song beyond arranging it, being gratefully left out of the recording process for once. starry-eyed and countrified, this is a strong effort for a lazy eye.

Jesus christ I hope you're joking but I know you're probably not. Does Billy ever say what the hell is on the front cover?

Fonzie
07-14-2012, 12:35 AM
here? http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/store/reissues/
or is that not what you meant?

weird.

they weren't there earlier when I looked.

slunken
07-14-2012, 12:48 AM
this is bullcrap

New Art Rioter
07-14-2012, 05:30 AM
Musically, it's a lot more crunchy and bright sounding. And it's a totally different vocal take. At both points he says, "i don't care or give a fuck".

Eh? Why is this redux shit happening? I don't mind alternate mixes on the bonus discs but don't fuck about with the original album tracks!

Araneae
07-14-2012, 07:14 AM
I was in the same boat as everyone else in thinking that we already have all this stuff. I've been pleasantly surprised though. There is much more clarity in the bonus tracks than what we have heard thus far. I would definitely suggest buying it.



Ok. Thanks. I'll pick it up later this week. It might be worth it just for the pulse cable show.


The track-by-track notes are new and dated "billy corgan february 21, 2012". Here's the notes about Blew Away as an example: a tune that perfectly captures the james iha i met in 1987, long before he too was swallowed under the great big wave of an assumed success. i will say had little to do with this song beyond arranging it, being gratefully left out of the recording process for once. starry-eyed and countrified, this is a strong effort for a lazy eye.

Billy being a pompous ass is expected. I was only hoping he would steer clear of the overly vague poetic writing style he used in the other two boxsets. This fragment looks like it avoids that.

Monet LSD
07-14-2012, 07:23 AM
This is a strong effort for a lazy eye.


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Zerospaced
07-14-2012, 08:26 AM
I'm kind of disappointed in Billy for slamming James on an official release like that.

D.
07-14-2012, 08:33 AM
I'm not saying that wasn't a dig at James but, in all fairness, he said "he too" which implies both of them were "swallowed under the great big wave of an assumed success."

soniclovenoize
07-14-2012, 09:15 AM
I'm not saying that wasn't a dig at James but, in all fairness, he said "he too" which implies both of them were "swallowed under the great big wave of an assumed success."

This is how I've interpreted it, that the "great big wave of assumed success" is the band's loss of incense.

It's actually the kindest thing he's said about James in the last few years.

JRock
07-14-2012, 09:28 AM
Any news on some high quality rips of the album? At least the remastered orginal album?