View Full Version : “Each song will be made available absolutely for free... Free will mean free.”


The Melty Man
06-02-2012, 10:01 AM
Now that Oceania is about to be released, has anyone else noticed that Billy has reneged on the original Teargarden by Kaleidyscope promise that:

“Each song will be made available absolutely for free, to anyone anywhere. There will be no strings attached. Free will mean free, which means you won't have to sign up for anything, give an email address, or jump through a hoop. You will be able to go and take the song or songs as you wish, as many times as you wish.”

When I checked today, the first ten Teargarden songs were no longer even available for download from smashingpumpkins.com, and a digital download of Oceania from the band website will cost $14.99 when it finally becomes available on June 19th.

So what has happened to this original plan of releasing music for free, and what will happen to the rest of the Teargarden? After this album which isn't an album comes out, there a still another 21 songs to go until 44 are released, somehow I just can't see this project ever being finished in the way it was originally promised.

Euronomus
06-02-2012, 10:15 AM
Billy Corgan Happened

The Melty Man
06-02-2012, 10:21 AM
What's the bet in three years time Billy turns around and bags this record too, just like he is doing with Zeitgeist now?

scottytheoneand
06-02-2012, 10:32 AM
tread is soooooo 2011

themadcaplaughs
06-02-2012, 11:05 AM
This has been constant discussion on the O-board. Teargarden, as we know it for all intents and purposes, is dead.

Space Girl 1979
06-02-2012, 11:23 AM
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jimmy drevpile
06-02-2012, 04:57 PM
This has been constant discussion on the O-board. Teargarden, as we know it for all intents and purposes, is dead.


Monte says different. And Monte is the leader of the super special l33t club will all the insider info aint he...

emilem
06-02-2012, 06:49 PM
everyone's going to snag it off filestube anyway, why does it matter? there was suppose to be a new song every month as well and we got 8 in 30 months or so. fuck that.

JUnderscore
06-02-2012, 08:00 PM
It'll probably just show up somewhere as a torrent authorized and released by the band/label. Or click here to name your own price...eventually. No big deal.

Esty
06-03-2012, 02:08 AM
He wants to put a pool in his home. Got to get the funds somehow.

The Melty Man
06-03-2012, 02:27 AM
I don't mind paying either, it's just the hypocrisy that irks me.

Grox
06-03-2012, 08:40 AM
it's not hypocrisy, obviously his initial teargarden announcement became invalid as soon as he realized no one gave a shit about his shitty songs being released for free as internet singles, because hey thats what all my shitty friends' bands do and i never want to hear them. obviously he can't be expected to stick to his word when his plan failed miserably.

soniclovenoize
06-03-2012, 10:37 AM
I don't mind paying either, it's just the hypocrisy that irks me.

What hypocrisy? Corgan gave away Teargarden for free; Oceania is not Teargarden, and thus not free. Simple, no?

When/if the Teargarden comes back and he charges for it, then feel free to shout "Hypocrisy!" Until then, don't try to combine the projects, when that's clearly not Corgan's intent.

redbreegull
06-03-2012, 11:00 AM
I think the way Bill sees it is that he is experimenting with the model through which he releases music, and the fans get to come along for the ride. I doubt he realizes he frustrating it is for him to continually and inevitably break all his promises and change all his plans, because in his mind we are all on this journey with him.

This is annoying because he is way out of touch, but really I don't give a shit about paying for Oceania (I actually will if it is any good), or if Teargarden ends. I would love free music, but really, barely any of you will pay for it even if you do like it, so I don't understand what the fuss is, other than to scrutinize him and beat him over the head for yet another change in course

CrabbMan
06-03-2012, 12:42 PM
Maybe when he said every song would be made available free, he was just stating the reality of the internet. Oceania will definitely be available free, but you can pay for it as well if you are so inclined to support the band in that way.

Catherine Wheel
06-03-2012, 12:47 PM
What hypocrisy? Corgan gave away Teargarden for free; Oceania is not Teargarden, and thus not free. Simple, no?

When/if the Teargarden comes back and he charges for it, then feel free to shout "Hypocrisy!" Until then, don't try to combine the projects, when that's clearly not Corgan's intent.

He has actually stated that Oceania is a part of Teargarden.

soniclovenoize
06-03-2012, 01:37 PM
He has actually stated that Oceania is a part of Teargarden.

You mean the "album within an album" comment? Or is there some other comment?

Catherine Wheel
06-03-2012, 01:45 PM
Yeah the album within an album comment...which makes him a hypocrite and a liar. But that's nothing new.

jimmy drevpile
06-03-2012, 01:46 PM
This is what it says on the website; "Marking The Smashing Pumpkins’ 7th studio record, it is “an album within an album,” part of their 44-song work-in-progress Teargarden By Kaleidyscope."

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/oceania/

Rocket Launcher
06-03-2012, 02:30 PM
and then there is this 11 4 song EP thing billy claimed to do, he might end up not doing that. Since Oceania is part of that, he's just making EPs out of an album, which is totally absurd. This whole TbK project is already a major PR desaster.

soniclovenoize
06-03-2012, 02:39 PM
Yeah the album within an album comment...which makes him a hypocrite and a liar. But that's nothing new.

But that's arguing semantics. He's pausing one free album (Teargarden) to produce a more traditional, "for-sale" album (Oceania), and then will presumably go back to the free album (Teargarden).

You see? An album within an album. No hypocrisy.

Rocket Launcher
06-03-2012, 02:50 PM
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Catherine Wheel
06-03-2012, 02:59 PM
Why does Oceania have to be for sale? Why can't he just release it as a free album and keep his fucking promise?

emilem
06-03-2012, 03:04 PM
But that's arguing semantics. He's pausing one free album (Teargarden) to produce a more traditional, "for-sale" album (Oceania), and then will presumably go back to the free album (Teargarden).

You see? An album within an album. No hypocrisy.

that's not what he said. he said oceania is part of teargarden. he's not pausing one thing for another.

Sonic Johnny
06-03-2012, 03:11 PM
"hey guys, check it out! This eBay user wants me to pay for one of his dog turds. His dog turds used to be free!"
"but dude, you can also go to any park anywhere in the world and get a dog turd yourself, for free, right there for the taking!"
"also, why would you even want a dog turd in the first place?"
"BUT HE SAID IT WOULD BE FREE AND NOW IT'S NOT FREE EVEN THOUGH IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! I'VE BEEN LIED TO!"

soniclovenoize
06-03-2012, 03:21 PM
that's not what he said. he said oceania is part of teargarden. he's not pausing one thing for another.

Prove it. Post the quote.

Also, if he hasn't paused Teargarten, please let me know when the next Teargarden song is coming out. I'd love to hear it! Would you say next week? Next month perhaps?

Trotskilicious
06-03-2012, 04:28 PM
isn't it just teargarden not teargarten or is the stupidity of the name making people misspell it relentlessly

soniclovenoize
06-03-2012, 04:34 PM
isn't it just teargarden not teargarten or is the stupidity of the name making people misspell it relentlessly

I'm not gonna lie to you: I don't know, I just looked to see how Melty Man spelled it, and copied him. Of all the things to complain about, I think Corgan's obvious disregard of conventional and accepted spelling in the English language is unforgivable, and is probably the worse thing about the "album".

MonteLDS
06-03-2012, 04:49 PM
This has been constant discussion on the O-board. Teargarden, as we know it for all intents and purposes, is dead.

Billy said as of July 24th 2012 the project is still around

http://www.crestfallen.com/2012/05/24/new-interview-with-billy-corgan-talks-about-oceania-as-part-of-the-teargarden-project/

Order 66
06-03-2012, 04:52 PM
the oceania PR still touts the "teargarden" name. so unless its just incompetent publicizing it seems they're not just dropping the thing

the thing that irks me is i thought the whole point of selling song rights to Visa and such was to fund the project. i thought the point was TBK didn't need to set the world on fire, it had funding and billy could just make music on his own time in his bathrobe and not have to deal with press junkets and a major label or whatever.

i think backpedaling and making a conventional album is unfortunately the best way to go in this situation but its pretty frustrating as this could have been avoided by making some common sense decisions. like this whole releasing only one song at a time thing. even if radiohead did something like that and it was groundbreaking material, people would eventually get tired of waiting long periods of time and would just forget about it. there needed to be like three or five songs at once. plus, according to who ran the official site last, billy was recalcitrant to doing anything that would generate more traffic

it just has the fingerprints of somebody that doesn't want to face reality. maybe oceania really will get things on back on track but i wont hold my breath

sjpaterra
06-03-2012, 05:11 PM
OCEANIA will stream online - for free - about a week before its release... but that crazy bolly, he says a lot of things

Monet LSD
06-03-2012, 05:14 PM
Billy said as of July 24th 2012 the project is still around

He said this in the future?

Shallowed
06-03-2012, 05:20 PM
That can't be right, he was supposed to be dead before then

reprise85
06-03-2012, 05:24 PM
Billy said as of July 24th 2012 the project is still around

http://www.crestfallen.com/2012/05/24/new-interview-with-billy-corgan-talks-about-oceania-as-part-of-the-teargarden-project/

billy is from the future :eek:

scottytheoneand
06-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Teargarden was two things..

the first was billy's overarching concept.. the idea of the fools journey, as well as his stash demos from which he was to create studio recordings for 44 songs...

the second was eschewing traditional music distribution in favor of free distribution of the music, one song at a time.

He's obviously abandoned the second point. Whether he's keeping to the original creative concept is arguable.

xforewarnedx
06-03-2012, 06:42 PM
I think because he signed to a label again, they probably said no to the album being released for free first then being sold a la In Rainbows. So he had to go the route of it has to be sold first then it will get d/l by everyone (possibly) for free afterwards. That's just my guess.

bs1933
06-03-2012, 07:01 PM
None of you like TBK and none of you like Oceania so what's the matter how much it costs. This is just bitching to bitch.

scottytheoneand
06-03-2012, 07:02 PM
bot detected

soniclovenoize
06-03-2012, 07:31 PM
None of you like TBK and none of you like Oceania so what's the matter how much it costs. This is just bitching to bitch.

It took you 123 posts to realize this?

wHATcOLOR
06-03-2012, 09:41 PM
far be it from me to be against people harshing on bill with just cause, but this is a reach.

none of us do our jobs for free

and it costs the same as a couple slices of pizza and a drink. really not worth complaining about.

ifuktyourmom
06-03-2012, 09:42 PM
Billy said as of July 24th 2012 the project is still around

http://www.crestfallen.com/2012/05/24/new-interview-with-billy-corgan-talks-about-oceania-as-part-of-the-teargarden-project/

Since July 24th, 2012, has not yet occurred, I can only assume you are totally full of shit.

Shallowed
06-03-2012, 10:00 PM
None of you like TBK and none of you like Oceania so what's the matter how much it costs. This is just bitching to bitch.

Please don't assume that Melty Man's opinions represents all of Netphoria's.

Kahlo
06-04-2012, 06:42 AM
I think BC has also acknowledged that he isn't stupid, and if people want it for free then they will just torrent the tracks anyway...

Getting rid of the d/l links for the early Teargarden stuff should be viewed as a good thing, given the unrelenting mediocrity of the majority of those tracks. Bill did the internet a favour.

bs1933
06-04-2012, 07:25 AM
Please don't assume that Melty Man's opinions represents all of Netphoria's.

Fair enough. I just see so many people complaining about things just to complain... The whole Oceania sucks bc of these low quality 30 sec clips for instance. Lots of people have valid criticisms backed up with sensible argument. Most don't. It becomes hard to discern.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-04-2012, 07:27 AM
if you're not a fan, then why are you even here?

Starla
06-04-2012, 08:06 AM
I paid for zeitgeist and I think that was enough.

amoergosum
06-04-2012, 10:09 AM
Byrne (Thu 2 Feb 2012):

Tell us about the new album, Oceania

"The band as a whole worked on that on a creative level. Billy and I have been making music since I got hired. We're working on the overarching project Teargarden by Keildyscope which is the free 44-song deal. Billy and I have been making music since I got hired. I'd never been in a real professional studio so I had to learn the ticks of the trade and make it sound articulate like Jimmy was capable of doing."

Source:
http://www.musicradar.com/rhythm/mike-byrne-talks-smashing-pumpkins-rabid-fandom-and-click-tracks-523505/2

Starla
06-04-2012, 11:04 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/TwilightToStarlight/thegeistpart2.jpg

MonteLDS
06-04-2012, 11:16 AM
Since July 24th, 2012, has not yet occurred, I can only assume you are totally full of shit.

and the fact that you can't overlook minor errors makes you look the same.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-04-2012, 11:21 AM
MonteLDS says (4:40 PM): So u think your all that b/c u know which month is the fifth

Cool As Ice Cream
06-04-2012, 11:22 AM
MonteLDS says (4:41 PM):
Give me a break
MonteLDS says (4:42 PM):
That's just arrogance on your part

Reyngel
06-04-2012, 11:33 AM
While I don't think Billy is doing anything wrong by charging fans for Oceania, I do think it's annoying that he's claimed it to be part of Teargarden, which was, by his own admission, to be a completely fee album. It just makes everything seem weak, like he ran out of money mid-way through a mediocre attempt to reestablish relevancy. Aside from that gross overtone, there's nothing morally wrong about it. If anything, it's consistent with his inability to follow-through with initial plans he draws up.

RenewRevive
06-04-2012, 11:54 AM
think the problem here is the assumption some of you have that billy knows what the fuck he's talking about as far as TbK goes. whatever he's saying now that model/concept is dead in the water and he knows it.

Trotskilicious
06-04-2012, 12:03 PM
you know guys i'm pretty sure this all had to do with billy corgan's complete inability to understand how the music business works in the age of the internet

smashingjj
06-04-2012, 01:47 PM
:) Heavy metal mashayne :)

JJNelson
06-05-2012, 07:20 PM
I have no problem with Billy charging $ for his music. If he puts out an album, I'll gladly buy it. But don't announce that it's gonna be released to the public for free, and then completely change your mind and take it back.

Could Billy be any more schizophrenic?

Morlock
06-05-2012, 09:01 PM
If he puts out an album, I'll gladly buy it.

Oceania may be the first SP album I don't buy :(

Last Pumpkins music I bought was Zeitgeist. No American Gothic, no Teargarden EPs, no reissues.

Wait, I did get the If All Goes Wrong DVD and was disappointed.

reprise85
06-05-2012, 09:04 PM
Could Billy be any more schizophrenic?

Yes. Yes he could.

imploding b0lly
06-06-2012, 09:33 PM
GATMOG, the Metro DVD, Chicago songs, Djali Zwan, his "autobiography"...what am I forgetting here?

Billy has a habit of getting us excited about shit and then not doing it. There's certain things about his public life I've just come to expect.


I hereby predict (mark my words) that within 5 years:

Teargarden will be long abandoned and Billy will have some lame-ass way of not taking the blame for it.

He will be bitching about how much he hates Mike, Nicole and Jeff.

He will have lost any shred of credibility as a public entity by suing someone over some stupid shit: guitar pedals, Machina II, etc.

AND.....

Having lost all perceived control over his bandmates, celebrity, financial viability and personal life he will resort to acting out his control freak narcissism on children.

Billy will be the next Michael Jackson. Mark my words!

Kahlo
06-07-2012, 01:50 AM
Only in the respect that he has been murdered by someone close to him -but instead of his Doctor, it's Monte who administers the fatal dose.

Shallowed
06-07-2012, 02:39 AM
Billy has a habit of getting us excited about shit and then not doing it.

You're preaching to the choir. You haven't lurked Netphoria for very long, have you?

soniclovenoize
06-07-2012, 11:12 AM
Billy Corgan: Giving us blueballs since 2000.

imploding b0lly
06-07-2012, 11:45 AM
You're preaching to the choir. You haven't lurked Netphoria for very long, have you?

I've actually lurked since 1998. Kinda sad!

I have always defended Billy. I always felt like, "Yes, he's a little crazy, probably a control freak, some of his projects go unfinished but......"

I guess I still feel that way. It's just that his public persona keeps getting crazier as his music keeps getting.....mehhh.

DeadOpera
06-07-2012, 11:54 AM
i've been lurking since 1988 so suck on that.

soniclovenoize
06-07-2012, 01:07 PM
I've actually lurked since 1998. Kinda sad!

I have always defended Billy. I always felt like, "Yes, he's a little crazy, probably a control freak, some of his projects go unfinished but......"

I guess I still feel that way. It's just that his public persona keeps getting crazier as his music keeps getting.....mehhh.

What was your old screen name?

imploding b0lly
06-07-2012, 05:03 PM
I honestly have no idea. I've never really posted. I've lurked.

soniclovenoize
06-08-2012, 09:27 AM
I honestly have no idea. I've never really posted. I've lurked.

Well, that hard hardly makes you an authority on Netphoria.

brendo_91
06-08-2012, 10:22 AM
right. i feel like a noob and how many posts do i have? so shush, young rake fighter.

imploding b0lly
06-08-2012, 04:12 PM
When did I ever say I was an authority on Netphoria? Fuck y'all!

Ball Sack Face
06-08-2012, 04:24 PM
I am the true Netphoria authority.

Pilate911
03-20-2016, 12:44 AM
Does anyone know if the free Teargarden tracks are still available? I missed out on downloading them from the Pumpkins website. Thanks.

killtrocity
03-20-2016, 12:56 AM
www.lemonparty.org


I don't know if that link still works but if it's down just google tubgirl, she posted some links earlier

Shadaloo
03-20-2016, 01:07 AM
That's fucking gross man. Nobody should expose themselves to Teargarden like that.

clcng
03-20-2016, 07:57 AM
I've got all 10 Teargarden tracks.Each one was how they were shared, except Stitch in Time was a download from stereogum.com. Hop over to the Trading Post and I can upload there!

themadcaplaughs
03-20-2016, 11:21 AM
Does anyone know if the free Teargarden tracks are still available? I missed out on downloading them from the Pumpkins website. Thanks.

http://www.amazon.com/Teargarden-By-Kaleidyscope-Songs-Sailor/dp/B00381YJQO

http://www.amazon.com/Teargarden-Kaleidyscope-Vol-Solstice-Bare/dp/B0041KOVUU

Ram27
03-20-2016, 12:06 PM
honestly billy should pay me for having these taking up my hard drive space

scottytheoneand
03-20-2016, 12:57 PM
I've got all 10 Teargarden tracks.Each one was how they were shared, except Stitch in Time was a download from stereogum.com. Hop over to the Trading Post and I can upload there!

aren't there 11 songs when you count Cottonwood?

Cool As Ice Cream
03-20-2016, 03:37 PM
aren't there 12 songs when you count the other one too?

T&T
03-20-2016, 03:42 PM
Oach also counts! and the Run2Me album.

scottytheoneand
03-20-2016, 07:41 PM
fuck you all I count 44

s0ss
03-21-2016, 09:56 AM
CASH REWARDS!!

Run To Me
03-21-2016, 11:02 AM
CASH REWARDS!!

Yeah come on haven't we learned anything here? You don't come to netphoria to ask for free shit. Even if bill once was ready to give it you for free. He's in a bad mood, y'all.

Y'all gonna get sued. I'm outta here before I get sued too

zbeast78
03-21-2016, 03:49 PM
Does anyone know if the free Teargarden tracks are still available? I missed out on downloading them from the Pumpkins website. Thanks.

Dog, yo. just grab them from slsk or something. They suck a boner anyway.

fuzzyroes
03-21-2016, 06:29 PM
Ocienia and Monuments to an elegy ARE TEARGARDEN TRACKS:mad:. Fucking casual fan:mad:

Cool As Ice Cream
03-22-2016, 02:42 AM
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inkless
03-22-2016, 03:11 AM
Lightning Strikes lossless ?

Bomb The Moon
03-22-2016, 08:00 AM
Lightning Strikes lossless ?
Lightning Strikes gets lots of hate, but i think it was one of the strongest tbK, pre-Oachjiana... and post. i like that hook about the city pouring itself out... felt like a pretty organic track, compared to the previous TbK stuff.

fuzzyroes
03-22-2016, 08:45 AM
I can't believe Billy Corgan called a limp-wristed rocker Lightning Strikes

FoolofaTook
03-22-2016, 06:14 PM
ur mother is pretty limp wristed, if you know what i mean

scottytheoneand
03-22-2016, 06:18 PM
Ocienia sounds like a tiny country in the Balkans

FoolofaTook
03-25-2016, 06:41 PM
yeah i'd like to see you say that shit in belgrade, bitch.

we'd string you up like the vile western scum you are, all while being blessed by an orthodox priest.