View Full Version : Dick Lugar falls to the Teabagger horde


MyOneAndOnly
05-09-2012, 12:25 PM
Dick Lugar loses his primary to a teabagger, and serves up a lecture in his concession speech

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/09/the_end_of_dick_lugar/

He and I share many positions, but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate. In effect, what he has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party. His answer to the inevitable roadblocks he will encounter in Congress is merely to campaign for more Republicans who embrace the same partisan outlook. He has pledged his support to groups whose prime mission is to cleanse the Republican party of those who stray from orthodoxy as they see it.

where are all the "reasonable" republicans? I'm no fan of Lugar, but jesus christ, the guy he lost the primary to sounds like a fucking nazi

duovamp
05-09-2012, 01:21 PM
Pretty awesome speech.

Eulogy
05-09-2012, 01:23 PM
lugar was, i think, the last reasonable republican.

Eulogy
05-09-2012, 01:26 PM
...also the fact that i call him reasonable says a lot about republicans

duovamp
05-09-2012, 01:29 PM
Well now you hear Bill ORLY speak and you'd think the guy was a moderate... He used to be psychotic and terrifying to the world.

duovamp
05-09-2012, 01:33 PM
As the republican party comes under greater external pressure, it's only logical that it'd get more extreme in its last gasping breath, because its moderates are leaving for more logical and realistic policies. That leaves the wingers, and they're thoroughly in control.

Failures like the Bushes only prove that republican leadership is far from optimal for the American public.

duovamp
05-09-2012, 01:36 PM
I mean let's not mix words here. The most ignorant people in the country will be voting for extremist republicans (in general). Lookin' at you, Bible Belt.

MyOneAndOnly
05-09-2012, 01:40 PM
last gasping breath? they control 29 governorships, and 29 state legislatures (both upper and lower houses). They control the House of Reps and based on the fact that anything passing the Senate needs a supermajority they're handicapping the Senate. They also control the Supreme court and a large percentage of federal bench below that.

they've also radically gerrymandered House districts in most states in the country so that even in States with majority or competitive Democratic machines it's almost impossible for republicans to slimp back into minority status.

also, Citizens United

the USA is filled with ignorant people. they're not the minority.

duovamp
05-09-2012, 02:06 PM
The party's been trending downward. Hard. Bush 2 drove a lot of people out of the party in his last years.


As of 2010, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents.[3]


Dec 2011:
Registered Democrats still dominate the political playing field with more than 42 million voters, compared to 30 million Republicans and 24 million independents.

duovamp
05-09-2012, 02:07 PM
The GOP probably has more cash. And people in positions of power. I'll give you that.

MyOneAndOnly
05-09-2012, 02:30 PM
Lugar's opponant used Teabagger rhetoric, but he was bankrolled by ALEC, the NRA, etc. and he's an Indiana political insider. He's served in statewide office repeatedly in Indiana.

there may be some truth in the notion that as the GOP stops getting new recruits the party power centers will have to ratched up the crazy to motivate their base.

The other thing to think about is that while fewer people might call themselves Republicans these days it doesn't mean that they stop voting republican. Independents are just partisans who lie to themselves to make believe that they're not one of "those people"

The Omega Concern
05-09-2012, 02:56 PM
"but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance..."


This is the operative phrase that dilineates the two candidates. The rest of the paragraph is a platitude mountain, not much different than the rhetoric in the rest of this thread. What I'd like to know is Lugar's definition of governance and why he uses these platitudes against the other guy.

Just saying the other guy is supported by the NRA means what exactly? Are you sure Lugar wasn't? Plus, the NRA exist as a byproduct of the 2nd amendment which is a sound philosophical premise. Are there specific laws in this state at issue that they differ on because just saying someone is supported by the NRA, ipso facto, he's an extremist probably makes you one.

bring it on...

MyOneAndOnly
05-09-2012, 04:44 PM
My comment regarding the NRA was to highlight the fact that he wasn't a grassroots "teabagger" candidate. He was put into office by the national big money interest groups that rule the GOP. He is puppet. Lugar was run out of the party because he didn't grab his ankles evertime he was ordered to take one for his masters.

The NRA has nothing anymore to do with the 2nd Amendment and everthing to do with expanding the market for gun and amunition manufacturers. It's a joke, and it's political behavior is reprehensible.

Trotskilicious
05-09-2012, 06:51 PM
lugar was, i think, the last reasonable republican.

there's one in the house that's in favor of making sure planned parenthood gets federal money

i believe he's from chicagoland, i saw it on wonkette last night

Trotskilicious
05-09-2012, 06:52 PM
Well now you hear Bill ORLY speak and you'd think the guy was a moderate... He used to be psychotic and terrifying to the world.

yes but if you're a democrat and you say anything librul you'll lose the election because blacks

Trotskilicious
05-09-2012, 06:53 PM
bring it on...

how, you didn't make any sense

The Omega Concern
05-09-2012, 08:49 PM
originally posted by scottytheoneand:

The NRA has nothing anymore to do with the 2nd Amendment and everthing to do with expanding the market for gun and amunition manufacturers. It's a joke, and it's political behavior is reprehensible.

Well, yes, to a socialist, anyone making a buck off gun sales is evil incarnate. Look, its not like I want having bazooka's on the street, so a line has to be drawn. But there is a yin to this yang and that's the gun control crowd, specifically the ones with a utopian vision on banning guns altogether.

duovamp
05-09-2012, 08:51 PM
bazooka's

MusicMan4
05-09-2012, 08:56 PM
i can't imagine that this thread title is about anything other than a viking-themed porno

hnibos
05-10-2012, 02:13 AM
What is The Omega Concern talking about?

duovamp
05-10-2012, 07:35 AM
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor

MyOneAndOnly
05-11-2012, 08:54 AM
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The Omega Concern
05-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Hnibos,

ITT, I see a bunch of liberal-prog types looking at support from the NRA as being a soundbite not meant to be argued with, but meant to be accepted as a righteous claim of the philosophical higher ground. So, I'm asking specifically, what's the issue with the NRA or gun rights by extension and all I got was scotty is skeptical of people making money selling guns in a country with the 2nd amendment as we have.

MyOneAndOnly
05-11-2012, 04:14 PM
the NRA has retarded our political system through it's lobbying as well as through it's use of bogus political rhetoric. It is the single most effective lobbying organization in Washington. Their crazy opposition to Obama is indicative of their insane political views.. Obama explicitly said he was not interested in pushing gun control, and he hasn't. Yet the NRA, it's leadership and politicians closely aligned with it have been for years telling their membership that Obama is a radical socialist. When Obama was elected, for example, they helped stocked an irrational fear that Obama was somehow going to take away their guns. It resulted in a run on ammunition. People hoarded ammo in anticipation of a gov't crackdown that never came. The political philosophy that's grown up around the organization is dangerous. It breeds right wing extremism and it actively attacks and opposes rational and science based points of view.

Any organization that acts that way is dangerous and destructive to democracy.

Then there's the fact that they help perpetuate a global arms trade that originates in the US with weapons manufacturers, and close to home results in the flow of weapons into places like Mexico (which in turn end up in the hands of drug lords and their private armies).

As far as the second amendment is concerned, their interpretation of the second amendment isn't grounded in history, reality, etc.

And before you go all ape shit and start blathering on about ZOG or the UN or whatever stupid fucking conspiracy you ante up to, I am not against gun ownership. I believe in the right of Americans to own firearms. I was raised in a "pro 2nd amendment family". My father was a taxidermist. He made his own rifles, including machining the barrels. Everyone in my family hunts and owns firearms. I think I'm the only one who doesn't have a concealed weapons permit (i don't own a handgun).

john's ego
05-13-2012, 09:09 PM
the NRA sucks because any time, any place some additional measure is taken to keep firearms out of the hands of lunatics, they cry like a bunch of infants about the 2nd amendment. they use the fallacious slippery slope argument to generate millions of dollars in membership dues, against a president who has said almost nothing of substance with regard to the expansion of gun control. and gun control isn't even a part of the utopian ideal of the NRA.

Order 66
05-13-2012, 09:37 PM
i dont care i just want to shoot shit

duovamp
05-13-2012, 09:49 PM
I'm obsessed with duovamps avatar. I want to know that woman. I want to meet her. I want a lot more pictures of her.

Yeah she's p good. If I ever saw her in person, I'd be like "What's the deal, honeybuns? Y'all like Pop Tarts?"