View Full Version : Junior Seau is tackling dummies IN HELL


Tchocky
05-02-2012, 03:15 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/junior-seau-dead-gunshot-wound.html

Self-inflicted gunshot wound.

:(

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 03:29 PM
oh shit

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 03:51 PM
del

john's ego
05-02-2012, 04:36 PM
selfish. his mother's reaction made me sad.
who's selfish?

TuralyonW3
05-02-2012, 04:42 PM
Woman beater

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 04:44 PM
del

john's ego
05-02-2012, 04:48 PM
because you've only just now realized that is a morally despicable thing to say?

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 04:51 PM
he is. if this is going to launch the thread into how people who kill themselves are not selfish then i'm going to stop right here.

yeah because there is clearly no connection between slamming your head into other people all the fucking time for years and years and developing some sort of head trauma that can lead to suicide and all kinds of other terrible shit

not that that is really all that relevant. don't be a douche.

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 04:53 PM
del

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 04:53 PM
del

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 04:59 PM
committing suicide is morally despicable. basically the person says "i can't take this anymore. i need to end my life. i don't care how it will affect everyone i know and love. i will own this decision without regard for them." and even if it stems from mental health issues it's your own fault for not seeking out help. how is this even debatable?

yeah no one takes any of this into consideration before they commit suicide

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 05:02 PM
del

too late

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 05:04 PM
well i'm not coming back to this thread. i have no desire to argue with anyone. i have my opinion and that's all i really care about.

duovamp
05-02-2012, 05:07 PM
In 2010, Seau was involved in an accident in which his sport-utility vehicle went off a beachside cliff. The accident occurred after he was arrested in Oceanside on suspicion of domestic violence.

Seau also played for the Miami Dolphins and the New England Patriots.

Four strikes.

john's ego
05-02-2012, 05:08 PM
basically the person says "i can't take this anymore. i need to end my life. i don't care how it will affect everyone i know and love.

so...why aren't his relatives selfish for expecting him to live a miserable life?

and even if it stems from mental health issues it's your own fault for not seeking out help.

you clearly have no idea how inadequate mental health care in the US is, even for a retired professional football player. plus it was probably related to head injuries, and the fact that he was a former football player probably made his insurance premiums inaccessibly high.

have some compassion you shit.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 05:14 PM
i have my opinion and that's all i really care about.

this is a wonderful outlook to have

duovamp
05-02-2012, 05:17 PM
It kind of is tbh.

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 05:20 PM
this is a wonderful outlook to have

Welcome to Netphoria. No wait...welcome to America.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 05:21 PM
Welcome to Netphoria. No wait...welcome to America.

what the fuck is this supposed to mean

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 05:26 PM
last time i checked Netphoria was for the most part negative and intolerant. and is it really necessary to go into an american stereotype about free speech and having your own opinion

Toast
05-02-2012, 05:29 PM
At least Senior Seau is alive and well.

duovamp
05-02-2012, 05:31 PM
last time i checked Netphoria was for the most part negative and intolerant.

Not any fucking more. :(

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 05:32 PM
last time i checked Netphoria was for the most part negative and intolerant. and is it really necessary to go into an american stereotype about free speech and having your own opinion

so you're at the same time criticizing and adopting a way of thought?

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 05:34 PM
Not any fucking more. :(

then i'm not sure it was worth me coming back!

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 05:36 PM
so you're at the same time criticizing and adopting a way of thought?

i wasn't criticizing anything. where are you going with this? you seem to have a habit of stringing people along for awhile in a thread. just get to your point. i'm not up for the open dialogue.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 05:39 PM
my point is that saying "i have my opinion and nothing else matters" is incredibly dumb? and your response was "THIS IS NETPHORIA / AMERICA!!" which means... what? that it's ok? that you're just doing it because everyone else does it?

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 05:43 PM
my point is that saying "i have my opinion and nothing else matters" is incredibly dumb? and your response was "THIS IS NETPHORIA / AMERICA!!" which means... what? that it's ok? that you're just doing it because everyone else does it?

to your first point, most people who have an opinion aren't really looking to have it swayed. if you think you are right and the topic is not factual then who's to say you are wrong? to your second point, it is ok. you can say whatever you want. and i suppose some people just play into the stereotype.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 05:48 PM
oh good god

reprise85
05-02-2012, 05:54 PM
RIP dude

as someone who was suicidal for many years and is not now, i don't think suicide is more selfish than being asked to go on when you don't want to live.
i am glad i didn't kill myself but stay out of my body. if i want to die and have decided to despite the pain it will cause my family, then that is my choice.

reprise85
05-02-2012, 05:55 PM
to your first point, most people who have an opinion aren't really looking to have it swayed.

So you want to be like these other people who just like to hear themselves talk then?

reprise85
05-02-2012, 05:56 PM
humans are selfish beings by nature, btw. we can't live any other way. we try to do what makes us feel good, or at least the least bad.

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:01 PM
So you want to be like these other people who just like to hear themselves talk then?

yeah! only problem is i can't stand the sound of my own voice.

i'm not a quality poster.

vixnix
05-02-2012, 06:11 PM
God I hate it when people say suicide is selfish.

My one serious attempt didn't kill me but if you fucking knew first hand what I was living with when I tried you would have done the same thing. You're a total cock, you know that? I'm glad Eulogy quoted your posts so we can all see that for ourselves.

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:14 PM
blah blah blah. you are all crucifying me for having my own opinion. i'm not criticizing any of you for thinking it's not selfish. to each his own!

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:19 PM
God I hate it when people say suicide is selfish.

My one serious attempt didn't kill me but if you fucking knew first hand what I was living with when I tried you would have done the same thing. You're a total cock, you know that? I'm glad Eulogy quoted your posts so we can all see that for ourselves.

And there have been plenty of times throughout my life that I seriously considered suicide (never attempted) because i didnt know how i could go on and always thought to myself "I could never do this to my family" and I'd picture how heartbroken they'd be.

So you can get off your high horse vixnix.

vixnix
05-02-2012, 06:20 PM
No but you criticized me for being selfish at a time in my life when I felt I had nothing left to live for and too much shit to keep carrying around with me and nobody to turn to. That's what I'm calling you a cock for.

vixnix
05-02-2012, 06:22 PM
Yeah well my family would have been heartbroken but they were also part of the reason I was suicidal so maybe things were a bit different for me.

reprise85
05-02-2012, 06:27 PM
And there have been plenty of times throughout my life that I seriously considered suicide (never attempted) because i didnt know how i could go on and always thought to myself "I could never do this to my family" and I'd picture how heartbroken they'd be.

So you can get off your high horse vixnix.

Yeah, there's a lot of levels of suicidal ideation. My psychiatrist practically BEGGED me to give him enough time to fix my brain. It took three years of in and out of hospitals and self harm and missing periods of time from my life and constant suicidal thoughts to the point where I couldn't think of anything else. I would not blame anyone for killing themselves under that circumstance. Oh and constant flashbacks and PTSD/dissociative symptoms and anxiety.

I did hold out for my family, specifically my grandmother as the rest of my family are lunatics and not worth living for.

On the other hand don't think my mom didn't suffer wondering every day whether I was alive or not. She even at one point gave up on me and told me she knew I was going to do it. I kept caches of medicine hidden in my closet and was researching less messy and more lethal methods, all the time. So perhaps killing myself would have shifted the pain, I think she would have actually had some solace in that I wouldn't have been suffering anymore.

I had attempts but I was blacked out for all of them. And not from drugs - dissociative amnesia.

There comes a point where enough is enough and you can't live with the pain.

You can have your opinion PL but it is definitely a pet peeve for a lot of people.

MusicMan4
05-02-2012, 06:31 PM
shut the fuck up and get out

MusicMan4
05-02-2012, 06:31 PM
put him on your ignore lists
what the hell is wrong with you all

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:32 PM
Yeah, there's a lot of levels of suicidal ideation. My psychiatrist practically BEGGED me to give him enough time to fix my brain. It took three years of in and out of hospitals and self harm and missing periods of time from my life and constant suicidal thoughts to the point where I couldn't think of anything else. I would not blame anyone for killing themselves under that circumstance.

I did hold out for my family, specifically my grandmother as the rest of my family are lunatics and not worth living for.

On the other hand don't think my mom didn't suffer wondering every day whether I was alive or not. She even at one point gave up on me and told me she knew I was going to do it. I kept caches of medicine hidden in my closet and was researching less messy and more lethal methods, all the time.

I had attempts but I was blacked out for all of them. And not from drugs - dissociative amnesia.

There comes a point where enough is enough and you can't live with the pain.

you and vixnix got me thinking (see i'm not that intolerant) and i suppose if your family is either part of the problem or you know they wouldn't care then it wouldn't be selfish. i think my belief that suicide is selfish runs even deeper and it's most likely because i am a practicing catholic and many catholic beliefs have seeped into my brain and affected my thinking without me even really knowing it.

reprise85
05-02-2012, 06:33 PM
oh, well there's your problem ;)

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:36 PM
put him on your ignore lists
what the hell is wrong with you all

since i've come back i haven't read a quality post from you yet. you've been around too long and post too much. you've gone stale. that and in general you sound like a dope. do me a favor and put me on ignore. you give out rep like people give a shit.

MusicMan4
05-02-2012, 06:37 PM
let's vote on who people want here, shithead

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:38 PM
oh, well there's your problem ;)

yeah, i can't say i'm happy when i find out catholicism is behind some of my beliefs. it would be nicer to make up my mind totally on my own without an all-encompassing ideology but what's done is done

MusicMan4
05-02-2012, 06:38 PM
i vote that you get the fuck out and my vote counts for more delegates because of my postcount

john's ego
05-02-2012, 06:40 PM
i vote for graveflower

MusicMan4
05-02-2012, 06:40 PM
wait does that means you vote for me to leave
nobody can tally up your post count though

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 06:41 PM
i vote for graveflower too.

and by that i mean i vote for graveflower to stay and pretzel logic to go.

john's ego
05-02-2012, 06:42 PM
wait does that means you vote for me to leave
nobody can tally up your post count though
i vote for you to do what's best.

MusicMan4
05-02-2012, 06:44 PM
well what's best and for me and for the greater good is really for me to do a full junior seau
right in the chest so my brain can be donated to science
could pretzel logic really call that selfish?

reprise85
05-02-2012, 06:44 PM
why dont you two hold each other

vixnix
05-02-2012, 06:47 PM
I like that you reevaluate your opinion in light of new information. My husband grew up Catholic and it does affect how you think about things. When we met he told me he thought lesbians were selfish because there were so many lonely guys out there who would love a wife but now lesbians were shacking up together, and it made it even harder for those guys. I was like I'm glad you shared your thoughts with me on that one D:

We've worked through a few things like that. I can tell he still isn't really that fond of lesbians.

reprise85
05-02-2012, 06:52 PM
holy shit, i dont know how you are in a relationship with someone who 'isn't fond of lesbians'. tell him gay guys make up for all the lesbians.

john's ego
05-02-2012, 06:56 PM
it's called being a recovering catholic

Sepiae
05-02-2012, 07:12 PM
That he shot himself in the chest instead of head, like Dan Duerson, who suspected he was in the early stages of CTE.... It's chilling. Yes, he effed up in 2010, but Ted Johnson has experienced the same thing, where all of a sudden you just aren't yourself anymore because all the stuff that's happened to your brain.

It is hard for me to love football and not also feel a little guilty.

john's ego
05-02-2012, 07:27 PM
i look forward to the imminent burgeoning popularity of professional flag football

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 09:17 PM
i am a practicing catholic

alright and there we have it

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 09:21 PM
alright and there we have it

that's not an answer to my views on all topics. i don't subscribe to half the stuff the church teaches, namely their bullshit views on contraception, abortion and homosexuality.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 09:25 PM
maybe you should find a different church then

do you also believe you're eating literal flesh and drinking literal blood?

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 09:31 PM
no. i believe it's merely symbolic, which the church would say is a heretical view. i basically pick and choose what i want to believe and what i don't. i go to mass on sunday only because i think it's important as an act of remembrance. the church just makes shit up.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 09:32 PM
so find a different christian church

why cling to a homophobic, misogynistic, group of child rape enabling assholes?

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 09:34 PM
god i really hate the catholic church so much lol

Pretzel Logic
05-02-2012, 09:35 PM
to tell you the truth i'd be pretty content just reading the bible and living a good life. it's just that catholicism is so ingrained in me and my family that i'd feel weird to completely give it up. but yeah the church as an institution is just awful. i guess attending mass and hating it is still supporting it by being there.

reprise85
05-02-2012, 09:59 PM
it is definitely still supporting it. flex your wings and get the fuck outta there. you're an adult now.

JokeyLoki
05-02-2012, 10:16 PM
alright and there we have it

Hey now, don't lump us all in.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 10:29 PM
Hey now, don't lump us all in.

i lump all practicing catholics into the group of practicing catholics

like, sorry. but no not really. i spent a while defending liberal catholics but i can't do it anymore. it's asinine.

JokeyLoki
05-02-2012, 10:35 PM
There's a reason that people who commit suicide can still have a Catholic funeral... The Church recognized a while ago that mental illness makes you do crazy shit.

Any catholic who says otherwise is either ignorant of current Church teachings or is just being an asshole.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 10:42 PM
i don't need a lesson on catholicism

i spent 18 years in catholic schools blahblahblah i know it all. the fact that they allow funerals for people who commit suicide does nothing to change my opinion of it.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 10:43 PM
it's like a goddamn disease

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 10:44 PM
that can and does inform thoughts regarding an action like suicide.

that the church allows funerals doesn't change the fundamental teachings underlying members' thoughts on it.

sppunk
05-02-2012, 11:15 PM
This news is so sad.

I am morbidly glad he shot himself in the chest and not the head, hopefully good science can come from brain scans.

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 11:16 PM
can't it be assumed that he did that on purpose?

slunken
05-02-2012, 11:39 PM
wave that flag furiously eulogy

Eulogy
05-02-2012, 11:41 PM
wave that flag furiously eulogy

the anti-catholic flag?

i will. with pride.

TuralyonW3
05-03-2012, 12:41 AM
so find a different christian church

why cling to a homophobic, misogynistic, group of child rape enabling assholes?

^this

sppunk
05-03-2012, 07:44 AM
can't it be assumed that he did that on purpose?

I mean to examine brain activity/cells to look for impact-caused issues, trauma, etc.

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:05 AM
I mean to examine brain activity/cells to look for impact-caused issues, trauma, etc.

Right. And I'm saying it's sensible to assume that's why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. So that people could look at his brain.

sppunk
05-03-2012, 10:41 AM
Oh I misunderstood you. I have no idea if that kind of thought could go through your mind when you are in the condition to committ suicide, but regardless hope good can come from their findings. Head trauma is a significant issue the NFL is way behind on IMO.

JokeyLoki
05-03-2012, 10:46 AM
that can and does inform thoughts regarding an action like suicide.

that the church allows funerals doesn't change the fundamental teachings underlying members' thoughts on it.

Knowingly killing yourself because you don't value life is one thing... Having a serious mental illness is another. You're basically saying "I know the Catholic Church accounts for mental illness when dealing with suicide, and doesn't automatically say they're in hell, but I'm gonna hate on them for it anyway"

All your other issues with the Catholic church not withstanding...

reprise85
05-03-2012, 10:48 AM
one time i was inpatient and some mental health tech told me if i killed myself i'd go to hell

she also did this whole allegory that jesus forgave us all even though he was horribly tortured so i should forgive people who have hurt me

i really should have reported that place. it was practically a christian hospital. which is hilarious because they are well known for catering to gay people (they have a different floor just for "gay rehab")

reprise85
05-03-2012, 10:50 AM
Knowingly killing yourself because you don't value life is one thing... Having a serious mental illness is another. You're basically saying "I know the Catholic Church accounts for mental illness when dealing with suicide, and doesn't automatically say they're in hell, but I'm gonna hate on them for it anyway"

All your other issues with the Catholic church not withstanding...

Does anyone kill themselves because they "don't value life"? I reckon the vast majority of people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

JokeyLoki
05-03-2012, 10:55 AM
Does anyone kill themselves because they "don't value life"? I reckon the vast majority of people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows what goes on in people's heads. My whole point is that the Church says "hey, we don't know, but they were probably mentally I'll" now instead of condemning the person with fire and brimstone and refusing them a funeral because they're automatically assumed to be in hell.

I'm not really trying to jump in here and claim the Catholic church is soooo great, but it just irks me when people hate on it for non-legitimate reasons.

JokeyLoki
05-03-2012, 10:56 AM
one time i was inpatient and some mental health tech told me if i killed myself i'd go to hell

she also did this whole allegory that jesus forgave us all even though he was horribly tortured so i should forgive people who have hurt me

i really should have reported that place. it was practically a christian hospital. which is hilarious because they are well known for catering to gay people (they have a different floor just for "gay rehab")

That sucks. You should report shit like that.

reprise85
05-03-2012, 11:07 AM
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows what goes on in people's heads. My whole point is that the Church says "hey, we don't know, but they were probably mentally I'll" now instead of condemning the person with fire and brimstone and refusing them a funeral because they're automatically assumed to be in hell.

I'm not really trying to jump in here and claim the Catholic church is soooo great, but it just irks me when people hate on it for non-legitimate reasons.

The fact that it's even an issue is ridiculous, but I getcha. There are a shitload of legit reasons.

reprise85
05-03-2012, 11:09 AM
That sucks. You should report shit like that.

I did on the patient satisfaction thing. The thing with reporting psych hospitals is they don't believe you because they think you are crazy.

My doc also almost poisoned me by doubling a med that has to be titrated slowly. Luckily I knew enough about my medications to know this and refused to take it. The charge nurse worked the next day and I told him and he wrote an incident report (he agreed it was ridiculous and dangerous).

Private hospitals are the way to go - I got dumped in this place the one time I got sectioned/forced inpatient.

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 11:14 AM
Knowingly killing yourself because you don't value life is one thing... Having a serious mental illness is another. You're basically saying "I know the Catholic Church accounts for mental illness when dealing with suicide, and doesn't automatically say they're in hell, but I'm gonna hate on them for it anyway"

All your other issues with the Catholic church not withstanding...

no i'm saying that the catholic church weaves a complex web of self loathing and doubt and confusion and guilt and that it fucks people up basically across the board.

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 11:15 AM
it just irks me when people hate on it for non-legitimate reasons.

i used to be like you

but eventually i realized pretty much all the reasons are legitimate.

JokeyLoki
05-03-2012, 11:19 AM
no i'm saying that the catholic church weaves a complex web of self loathing and doubt and confusion and guilt and that it fucks people up basically across the board.

I think it depends on the church/school you went to, dude. I know way too many normal, well adjusted Catholics to agree with you.

But no doubt that some schools fuck kids up. You'd think there'd be some kind of standard....

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 11:23 AM
i mean

define normal and well-adjusted

basically all of my friends are catholic (er, raised catholic) and my whole family is catholic and they're pretty much all well-adjusted and doing quite well. but there seems to always be some stuff just beneath the surface. and my friends come from different schools and churches and geographical areas from all over the country. so it's not like my sample size is terribly limited.

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 11:25 AM
i'll stop ranting for now though i guess

john's ego
05-03-2012, 11:31 AM
systemic child abuse is a legitimate reason to hate any organization. if you think otherwise, then you suck as an individual.

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 11:41 AM
systemic child abuse is a legitimate reason to hate any organization. if you think otherwise, then you suck as an individual.

also this

yo soy el mejor
05-03-2012, 02:01 PM
i really should have reported that place. it was practically a christian hospital. which is hilarious because they are well known for catering to gay people (they have a different floor just for "gay rehab")

sounds more like segregation, not catering.

reprise85
05-03-2012, 02:23 PM
Yeah it's kinda fucked up. They also had a deal with the Seminoles (I think?), so they catered to natives as well - to the point where they could have ipods and stuff on the unit, and no one else could.

It's a pretty fucked up hospital. You didn't "have" to go on the gay ward for rehab if you were gay, and if you had serious mental illness you couldn't be there anyway. But yeah, pretty ridiculous.

The "gay floor" also got more cigarette breaks, and had furniture that wasn't plastic (though this has more to do with people finding ways to hurt themselves with cloth).

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 02:29 PM
Yeah it's kinda fucked up. They also had a deal with the Seminoles (I think?), so they catered to natives as well - to the point where they could have ipods and stuff on the unit, and no one else could.

It's a pretty fucked up hospital. You didn't "have" to go on the gay ward for rehab if you were gay, and if you had serious mental illness you couldn't be there anyway. But yeah, pretty ridiculous.

The "gay floor" also got more cigarette breaks, and had furniture that wasn't plastic (though this has more to do with people finding ways to hurt themselves with cloth).

Are you sure this wasn't an episode of the Twilight Zone?

reprise85
05-03-2012, 05:08 PM
yeah :O

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 08:49 PM
i read the first page and it got stupid WAY quick and i have pretzel logic on ignore so you know anywayz did he try and reapporpriate my argument about hats and culture for being a shitbag about suicide?

doesn't this guy listen to nirvana and stp

i mean i know scott didn't kill himself but i'm pretty sure he was making a concerted effort to

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 08:51 PM
oh he goes to boytoucher church that's werid

you know they're child molesters and gold hoarders right

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 08:51 PM
AND THE POPE WHAT SITS ON HIS SHINY THRONE IN ROME

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 08:56 PM
i noted a few times i don't agree with the church on a ton of issues and in general i can't stand the institution. i go to mass out of respect for the lord not to support the church.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:00 PM
you know they tell people in brazil not to use condoms even though it's imperative that people stop having babies

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:00 PM
you know they tell you that homosexuality is a sin

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:01 PM
you know they let the irish starve

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:01 PM
you know they crushed all progress for hundreds of years, they're called the dark ages

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:01 PM
you know they tortured gallileo for saying the sun is at the center of the solar system

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:02 PM
i mean why stop supporting the catholic church????

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:04 PM
I LOVE YOU JUNOIR SAEU

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:04 PM
yeah i know all that and those are plenty of reasons to completely disassociate oneself from the church. but i'm not joining another christian denomination because protestantism is a joke. i'm too lazy to come up with a good solution to all of this.

vixnix
05-03-2012, 09:05 PM
Yeah but have you been to a good Catholic mass? They have killer music and incense. Smells and bells, man. It's pretty good. I don't want to do away with it altogether.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:06 PM
intensely boring right

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:06 PM
weirdly and inappropriately expensive also

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:07 PM
you know considering how many poverty stricken catholics there are in countries like brazil where people live on top of landfills

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:07 PM
and how jesus specifically said not to do most of the stuff they do

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:08 PM
i'm being culturally insensitive i'm sorry this is sacrilege

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:08 PM
Yeah but have you been to a good Catholic mass? They have killer music and incense. Smells and bells, man. It's pretty good. I don't want to do away with it altogether.

i hate the diocesan masses. different orders that celebrate mass is where it's at. and they aren't boy touchers. i went to an augustinian church throughout college and loved it. St. Augustine <3

reprise85
05-03-2012, 09:08 PM
yeah i know all that and those are plenty of reasons to completely disassociate oneself from the church. but i'm not joining another christian denomination because protestantism is a joke. i'm too lazy to come up with a good solution to all of this.

you said earlier you'd be happy just reading and following the bible. why do you need the symbolic ceremonial shit? make your own ceremonies. i dont think god will mind.

aren't boy touchers

you sure about that?

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:09 PM
yeah i know all that and those are plenty of reasons to completely disassociate oneself from the church. but i'm not joining another christian denomination because protestantism is a joke. i'm too lazy to come up with a good solution to all of this.

you really seem dumber with every post you make

vixnix
05-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Seriously no, it's pretty incredible. A good mass at a cathedral in a good arty city with plenty of talent to fill the choir and a good organist, is amazing. I guess the high Anglicans will live on though and they're just as good...sometimes better. Ok, the Catholics can go.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:10 PM
all the good city money to fill up the gilded throne in the name of jesus christ

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Seriously no, it's pretty incredible. A good mass at a cathedral in a good arty city with plenty of talent to fill the choir and a good organist, is amazing. I guess the high Anglicans will live on though and they're just as good...sometimes better. Ok, the Catholics can go.

i've been to plenty of catholic masses in plenty of impressive places

it excuses nothing. and as trots pointed out, it's pretty disgustingly showy.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:12 PM
i mean you know maybe instead of buffing marble at the vatican they could like you know feed some people in honduras

vixnix
05-03-2012, 09:12 PM
I love how catholics think that all churches that are not catholic are "Protestants" and that's the end of it. It's so...like quaint or something.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:12 PM
i was going to say something but that meant i was going to directly reply to him

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:14 PM
you know what jesus loved guys

bling

and lots of it

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:15 PM
<img src="http://images.comcorpusa.com/465/348/crop/kveo/media/news/Still0413_00003.jpg">

HOW CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND STILL TAKE THE CHURCH SERIOUSLY

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:16 PM
i'm ignorant (and arrogant) like most catholics. what can i say.

and eulogy i can't help but think you being gay has A LOT to do with your dislike for catholicism. i'd have a hard time believing it has no effect.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:16 PM
that looks like something kanye would wear

and i don't go to kanye for spiritual guidance

reprise85
05-03-2012, 09:20 PM
i'm ignorant (and arrogant) like most catholics. what can i say.

and eulogy i can't help but think you being gay has A LOT to do with your dislike for catholicism. i'd have a hard time believing it has no effect.

:dammit:

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:21 PM
i'm ignorant (and arrogant) like most catholics. what can i say.

and eulogy i can't help but think you being gay has A LOT to do with your dislike for catholicism. i'd have a hard time believing it has no effect.

yeah, me being a gay person who also happens to hate misogyny and child rape and religious opulence (need i fucking go on?) informs my hatred of the catholic church

you're a fucking idiot. welcome to ignore.

MusicMan4
05-03-2012, 09:21 PM
So when I take over the board in two years I'm removing the pumpkins sections of the board

Should I just change the name of general chat to arguments about religion and drugs

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:21 PM
i remember when he came back pretzel logic was sure he'd fit in this time

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:22 PM
the latter part of that post would be spot on if i were gay. if i grew up catholic my whole life and went to catholic schools only to be shunned by catholicism later on in life for being gay i would LOATHE the church. who wouldn't?

MusicMan4
05-03-2012, 09:22 PM
Eulogy didn't I tell you to do that on the first page?

Another example of how my finger is on the pulse of netphoria
The mod you need

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:23 PM
So when I take over the board in two years I'm removing the pumpkins sections of the board

Should I just change the name of general chat to arguments about religion and drugs

i'm sure we can find other things

racism?

uhhmm

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Eulogy didn't I tell you to do that on the first page?

Another example of how my finger is on the pulse of netphoria
The mod you need

you were much quicker than me here, i will say

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:24 PM
i remember when he came back pretzel logic was sure he'd fit in this time

stupid, lazy, ignorant, arrogant, practicing catholic

it's just what we needed, clearly

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:25 PM
i mean he's way different than the guy who goes to <i>NEW YORK CITY</I> and eats at <I>OLIVE GARDEN</I>

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:27 PM
wait was that him?

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:29 PM
i'm ignorant (and arrogant) like most catholics. what can i say.

and eulogy i can't help but think you being gay has A LOT to do with your dislike for catholicism. i'd have a hard time believing it has no effect.

did i say all dumbass?

yeah, me being a gay person who also happens to hate misogyny and child rape and religious opulence (need i fucking go on?) informs my hatred of the catholic church

you're a fucking idiot. welcome to ignore.

the latter part of that post would be spot on if i were gay. if i grew up catholic my whole life and went to catholic schools only to be shunned by catholicism later on in life for being gay i would LOATHE the church. who wouldn't?

the latter part of that post would be spot on if i were gay. if i grew up catholic my whole life and went to catholic schools only to be shunned by catholicism later on in life for being gay i would LOATHE the church. who wouldn't?

the latter part of that post would be spot on if i were gay. if i grew up catholic my whole life and went to catholic schools only to be shunned by catholicism later on in life for being gay i would LOATHE the church. who wouldn't?

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:30 PM
so today i went to san antonio and i had the best mexican food at this place called chillis or chilis have you heard of it? it was incredible.

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:30 PM
i mean he's way different than the guy who goes to <i>NEW YORK CITY</I> and eats at <I>OLIVE GARDEN</I>

what say do i have when i'm 16-17 and with my parents?

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:30 PM
girl don't even get me started about the margaritas!

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:31 PM
and do you have any idea how crowded that Olive Garden is in Times Square all the time?

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:32 PM
i know it is filled with idiots i don't think that necessarily says anything other than the fact that a lot of tourists in this country are mindless sheep that can't ever go outside of their culinary comfort zone which is bizzarely set at "olive garden is not unacceptable dog crap"

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:33 PM
the best tortellini i ever ate in my LIFE was at a hole in the wall near madison square garden and i don't even remember the name of the damn place

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 09:35 PM
Olive Garden is dog crap. It's fake Italian food loaded with sodium. My parents liked to play it safe when we'd go up there because we'd drive up for the day. I've been to NYC around 40 times and been to plenty of other places seen then.

There's me distinguishing myself from early Pretzel Logic.

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 09:36 PM
look the point is the catholic church sucks go read up on how terrible it is and stop acting like it defines you as a person

vixnix
05-03-2012, 09:37 PM
The Anglicans/Episcopalians are very very similar to Catholics, the structure of the service is very similar, a lot of kneeling and spoken responses in the 'high' Anglican churches, and bowing but no genuflecting. And no little box with the light over it for the sacraments, can't remember what that's called. I've sung in cathedral choirs for carholic and Anglican/episcopalian churches and there is a lot of overlap. Catholic congregations are friendlier though, Catholics in my experience are very friendly, loving people, if a little judgmental and neurotic.

Most of the Anglican/episcopalian catechism is similar too, from what I've seen. I think they're a bit more liberal depending on the diocese. Sydney diocese is actually notoriously conservative which is why when we moved here we decided to join the Uniting Church instead. If you were going to venture out and just see what another church is like I reckon you'd feel most comfortable and least 'out of place' with the high Anglicans/Episcopalians.

Having said that the loveliest guys I have ever met, were all either practicing Catholics or raised Catholic, even if they were as I said, a little neurotic or judgmental about a few things. It's hard because the Catholic church gets so much wrong, but it manages to churn out a lot of people who really humble me. I met the son of devout Catholic parents in New York and he invited me to come and stay with his family in Indianapolis and I showed up there and they welcomed me like a daughter, I stated with them for a few weeks, having never met them before. That kind of hospitality is incredibly rare these days. It left a big impression on me. My current church is much better than the catholic church in terms of its more open minded theology but you won't find many in our congregation who do stuff like that for strangers.

MusicMan4
05-03-2012, 09:39 PM
The Anglicans/Episcopalians are very very similar to Catholics, the structure of the service is very similar, a lot of kneeling and spoken responses in the 'high' Anglican churches, and bowing but no genuflecting. And no little box with the light over it for the sacraments, can't remember what that's called. I've sung in cathedral choirs for carholic and Anglican/episcopalian churches and there is a lot of overlap. Catholic congregations are friendlier though, Catholics in my experience are very friendly, loving people, if a little judgmental and neurotic.

Most of the Anglican/episcopalian catechism is similar too, from what I've seen. I think they're a bit more liberal depending on the diocese. Sydney diocese is actually notoriously conservative which is why when we moved here we decided to join the Uniting Church instead. If you were going to venture out and just see what another church is like I reckon you'd feel most comfortable and least 'out of place' with the high Anglicans/Episcopalians.

Having said that the loveliest guys I have ever met, were all either practicing Catholics or raised Catholic, even if they were as I said, a little neurotic or judgmental about a few things. It's hard because the Catholic church gets so much wrong, but it manages to churn out a lot of people who really humble me. I met the son of devout Catholic parents in New York and he invited me to come and stay with his family in Indianapolis and I showed up there and they welcomed me like a daughter, I stated with them for a few weeks, having never met them before. That kind of hospitality is incredibly rare these days. It left a big impression on me. My current church is much better than the catholic church in terms of its more open minded theology but you won't find many in our congregation who do stuff like that for strangers.

Ok take care man

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:49 PM
pretzel logic signed in on his other name in order to neg rep me

just puttin that out there

MusicMan4
05-03-2012, 09:50 PM
That's something I do all the time
If I had access to all of my troll accounts I would use them too

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 09:53 PM
i actually don't have any other names

WEEEEIRD

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 10:01 PM
he pos repped me

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 10:02 PM
maybe he wants me to be his backdoor man

Trotskilicious
05-03-2012, 10:02 PM
and i say that good-heartedly

Eulogy
05-03-2012, 10:05 PM
haha what a desperate shit eater

Pretzel Logic
05-03-2012, 10:07 PM
trots keeps me grounded. and i enjoy his posts across the boards. eulogy's posts make me think he's just bored and has nothing better to do. not trolling, just talking to talk.

samuel redman
06-06-2012, 06:27 PM
took me a while but when i realized that the huge majority of football players are mindless dickbagthat no one should look up too, that this is a some fun to watch