View Full Version : If you're not Native, then don't go to coachella looking like this
Starla 04-26-2012, 01:54 AM http://i50.tinypic.com/25yver4.jpg
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http://nativeappropriations.blogspot.com/2010/04/but-why-cant-i-wear-hipster-headdress.html
slunken 04-26-2012, 02:05 AM WoomP
Starla, were you in KC long enough to hear the "Indian chant" popular w Chiefs football fans? I demonstrated it for a friend from Chicago and she was pretty taken back by it.
Dead Frequency 04-26-2012, 03:19 AM Lol! Was just laughing at that in robin hood men in tights.
vbshlofbvgos 04-26-2012, 03:26 AM its part of the culture of forgiveness and acceptance. nobody alive today killed those native americans. peace out
Starla 04-26-2012, 07:25 AM Starla, were you in KC long enough to hear the "Indian chant" popular w Chiefs football fans? I demonstrated it for a friend from Chicago and she was pretty taken back by it.
When I was going to Haskell, we used to get together and go to the games, and it never really bothered us. My dad was a chiefs fan, and since I was a kid I remember the chant. It still does not bother me, but there are a lot of Native activists who are against it.
These things don't really bother me as much as it does to see someone running around stoned or drunk looking like an idiot in a headdress. I don't even really get offended when I see white girls wearing moccasins or anything that's Native inspired, but once it starts infringing on sacred things that's different.
Eulogy 04-26-2012, 07:32 AM why is it ok for stoned and drunk people to do a chant for an american football team though? i guess i'm not seeing the difference really.
Starla 04-26-2012, 07:42 AM its part of the culture of forgiveness and acceptance. nobody alive today killed those native americans. peace out
No they didn't, but they desperately want to be Native, so they take what does not belong to them and use it as a "costume". They are into their peace, love, and new age bullshit and have appropriated from people they know nothing about. I'll have to blame it on pure ignorance, being that they probably were not taught better in their public education or by their ignorant parents. But what really fucking amazes me is when a Native tells one of these idiots that this is disrespectful, they actually have the balls to say they disagree, get angry, and continue doing it.
The headdress is a symbol of spirituality for a chief in a tribe or medicine person. They didn't go to the craft store, get a piece of cheap material and hot glue a bunch of feathers to it. They earned those feathers over a life time for various spiritual reasons.
I don't even know why I should have to explain this.
Starla 04-26-2012, 07:44 AM why is it ok for stoned and drunk people to do a chant for an american football team though? i guess i'm not seeing the difference really.
Because it's not a Native chant.
We don't "chant" we sing songs, and they all are different and have different meanings.
A bunch of drunks sitting around saying "ohh woahhh.... " and beating a drum is just that.
But if they were to start singing sacred song...... then that is entirely something else.
Eulogy 04-26-2012, 07:46 AM Because it's not a Native chant. LOL
We don't "chant" we sing songs, and they all are different and have different meanings.
A bunch of drunks sitting around saying "ohh woahhh.... " and beating a drum is just that.
But if they were to start singing sacred song...... then that is entirely something else.
lol ok that makes sense
Cool As Ice Cream 04-26-2012, 07:52 AM The headdress is a symbol of spirituality for a chief in a tribe or medicine person. They didn't go to the craft store, get a piece of cheap material and hot glue a bunch of feathers to it. They earned those feathers over a life time for various spiritual reasons.
so the festival people aren't wearing a native headdress. just like the football people aren't chanting a native chant.
same thing, really. yet the headdress offends you, but the chant doesn't.
i think you have issues.
Starla 04-26-2012, 08:31 AM It's not the same thing. Whatever they are chanting at the game and beating a drum is not Native. People who don't know better think it's a Native song. I guess that's why I laugh about it. If you are making a headdress that looks Native, then that is what you are doing.
Basically, I've never attended in a ceremony in my life that sounds like what they are doing at a Chiefs game.
vixnix 04-26-2012, 08:42 AM Maybe you should just go dressed up as a slutty nun with a short habit and knee high boots or something, and call it even.
Cool As Ice Cream 04-26-2012, 09:26 AM It's not the same thing. Whatever they are chanting at the game and beating a drum is not Native. People who don't know better think it's a Native song. I guess that's why I laugh about it. If you are making a headdress that looks Native, then that is what you are doing.
you could think the same thing about the headdress: people who don't know better think it's a native headdress. you could laugh about that too.
duovamp 04-26-2012, 09:56 AM http://i49.tinypic.com/4j2g7t.jpg
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yo soy el mejor 04-26-2012, 10:03 AM really? :hurl:
cocksure 04-26-2012, 11:47 AM @ starla, are you saying this is racist?
cocksure 04-26-2012, 11:49 AM because perhaps you're the racist if you think cultural symbols belong entirely to YOU and YOUR "people" (as if there was a native american people...)
duovamp 04-26-2012, 12:05 PM really? :hurl:
Be more jealous?
brendo_91 04-26-2012, 01:17 PM http://i49.tinypic.com/4j2g7t.jpg
HHHNNNNNNNGGGGGGG.
I agree. UNNNFFFFF.
slunken 04-26-2012, 02:24 PM no way i got HPV just from looking at those chicks
john's ego 04-26-2012, 02:36 PM Starla can be offended by whatever she wants. I don't think at any point she said that other people shouldn't be offended by the Chiefs' chants, or whatever.
Also,
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slunken 04-26-2012, 02:38 PM ahhhh hahahahahahaha
yo soy el mejor 04-26-2012, 02:48 PM jealous my foot.
dean_r_koontz 04-26-2012, 02:49 PM i think that blond on the right should stop wearing clothes all together.
Starla 04-26-2012, 08:38 PM because perhaps you're the racist if you think cultural symbols belong entirely to YOU and YOUR "people" (as if there was a native american people...)
Depends on what symbols they are. If they are symbols of my clan, then yeah they do belong to us and same goes for other tribes. ie an Apache wouldn't wear the symbols of another clan. Most symbols have certain spiritual meanings to them, so it's wrong for non natives or other clans to take them and bastardize them.
Mooney 04-26-2012, 08:56 PM http://www.happyplace.com/15610/the-worst-people-you-see-at-every-summer-music-festival
For the record, my dad and i went to a Chiefs game day after Christmas '11 and i (perhaps obviously) didnt do the chant.
And tbh, about half the stadium didn't. So, I dunno. Chiefs kinda suck anyway.
Trotskilicious 04-26-2012, 10:45 PM kinda? lol
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Toast 04-26-2012, 11:08 PM somebody shoud give those douches small pox infested blankets.
slunken 04-26-2012, 11:19 PM Most symbols have certain spiritual meanings to them, so it's wrong for non natives or other clans to take them and bastardize them.
i'm totally on your side but this happens with everything. our modern cultures thrive on reappropriating other cultures.
Dead Frequency 04-26-2012, 11:36 PM Which tribe are you a part of starla
john's ego 04-27-2012, 01:46 AM Lakota
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 01:47 AM you're not starla
john's ego 04-27-2012, 01:56 AM this car has a dent in it
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 02:00 AM you know it's funny that the seminole tribe endorses florida state
slunken 04-27-2012, 02:08 AM life on the res
Starla 04-27-2012, 07:24 AM Which tribe are you a part of starla
Oglala Lakota
Lakota
Who is John's ego?
you know it's funny that the seminole tribe endorses florida state
There's an interesting article about that
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/sports/24mascot.html?pagewanted=all
Starla 04-27-2012, 07:28 AM For the record, my dad and i went to a Chiefs game day after Christmas '11 and i (perhaps obviously) didnt do the chant.
And tbh, about half the stadium didn't. So, I dunno. Chiefs kinda suck anyway.
I miss going with my dad. He passed away a few months ago :/
We used to go to Royals and Cards games too.
ilikeplanets 04-27-2012, 07:33 AM Cultures seem to hate assimilation when it happens and whine for it when it doesn't
Starla 04-27-2012, 07:50 AM .
yo soy el mejor 04-27-2012, 09:23 AM this is kinda how i feel about el chico and on the border.
john's ego 04-27-2012, 10:33 AM Cultures seem to hate assimilation when it happens and whine for it when it doesn't
what an ignorant statement. cultural appropriation is not assimilation.
john's ego 04-27-2012, 10:34 AM you know it's funny that the seminole tribe endorses florida state
saying the seminole tribe as a whole endorses fsu is like saying i endorsed the iraq war.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 10:35 AM saying the seminole tribe as a whole endorses fsu is like saying i endorsed the iraq war.
well that's a nonsensical comparison
cocksure 04-27-2012, 10:53 AM Depends on what symbols they are. If they are symbols of my clan, then yeah they do belong to us and same goes for other tribes. ie an Apache wouldn't wear the symbols of another clan. Most symbols have certain spiritual meanings to them, so it's wrong for non natives or other clans to take them and bastardize them.
see, i don't know if this is racist, but it does seem morally uncomfortable to me
john's ego 04-27-2012, 11:07 AM well that's a nonsensical comparison
How so? The deal between FSU and the Seminole Tribe of Florida was struck between the leaders of both organizations. I can't say for sure, but it's not unreasonable to assume that there are more than a few seminole indians that are not OK with fsu's mascot.
This after all is the same seminole tribe that has casinos all over florida. And I know there are plenty of natives who wholly disapprove of that.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 11:15 AM How so? The deal between FSU and the Seminole Tribe of Florida was struck between the leaders of both organizations. I can't say for sure, but it's not unreasonable to assume that there are more than a few seminole indians that are not OK with fsu's mascot.
This after all is the same seminole tribe that has casinos all over florida. And I know there are plenty of natives who wholly disapprove of that.
ehhh well at first i thought the comparison would only work if you're a Republican but I'm now reconsidering that.
john's ego 04-27-2012, 11:19 AM i am definitely not a republican.
RenewRevive 04-27-2012, 11:36 AM what about the St Pat's Day shenanigans? buncha fake Irish bums.
killtrocity 04-27-2012, 12:03 PM The Irish are white now.
mxzombie 04-27-2012, 12:57 PM so thankful that nobody wants to appropriate panamanian culture
duovamp 04-27-2012, 01:24 PM http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7kujj0RuA1qdoghio1_500.png
I miss going with my dad. He passed away a few months ago :/
We used to go to Royals and Cards games too.
Kinda crazy how absolutely at home I feel at the Royals stadium.
reprise85 04-27-2012, 02:15 PM I miss going with my dad. He passed away a few months ago :/
We used to go to Royals and Cards games too.
sorry to hear he passed away
Rocket Launcher 04-27-2012, 02:28 PM Some dumb fannys there really. Nice going handling the situation, Starla
yo soy el mejor 04-27-2012, 02:39 PM what a bunch of goofy white people forreal.
Dead Frequency 04-27-2012, 03:29 PM so thankful that nobody wants to appropriate panamanian culture
Are you a panamaniac?
yo soy el mejor 04-27-2012, 03:31 PM :crazy:
mxzombie 04-27-2012, 04:17 PM Are you a panamaniac?somewhere shy of 50%
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:22 PM How so? The deal between FSU and the Seminole Tribe of Florida was struck between the leaders of both organizations. I can't say for sure, but it's not unreasonable to assume that there are more than a few seminole indians that are not OK with fsu's mascot.
This after all is the same seminole tribe that has casinos all over florida. And I know there are plenty of natives who wholly disapprove of that.
golly john i'm sorry i should have said Cheif Billie and the Seminole Nation officially endorsed FSU to make money. Is that better?
Fuck.
Just assume everyone is dumb but you.
yo soy el mejor 04-27-2012, 04:23 PM get it right, get it tight.
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:24 PM The Irish are white now.
when you tell some country folk your name is brendan sweeney they still act like you're from mars
"Whatever happened to names like John and George???"
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:29 PM Is that better?
yeah.
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:33 PM Just assume everyone is dumb but you.
given how strongly you clutched onto the "right" to call women hussies or trollops or whatever, is it really unreasonable to assume that you're cool with native americans as mascots?
yo soy el mejor 04-27-2012, 04:36 PM lol
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:37 PM given how strongly you clutched onto the "right" to call women hussies or trollops or whatever, is it really unreasonable to assume that you're cool with native americans as mascots?
congratulations, you've really turned yourself into a special kind of presumptive, sanctimonious, judgemental jackass
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 04:42 PM given how strongly you clutched onto the "right" to call women hussies or trollops or whatever
what
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:43 PM i dunno i thought i lost that argument i don't even call bad football players pussies anymore
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:43 PM congratulations, you've really turned yourself into a special kind of presumptive, sanctimonious, judgemental jackass
takes one to know one.
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:44 PM i thought i lost that argument.yeah.
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:44 PM you did.
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:45 PM you're a huge piece of shit
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:45 PM go on.
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:46 PM human garbage
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:46 PM i hope you choke on your hubris
john's ego 04-27-2012, 04:47 PM <img src="http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/drinking-smiley-54.gif">
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:48 PM your time
your time is gonna coooome
yo soy el mejor 04-27-2012, 04:48 PM i'd like to know what it was john said to make trots change his mind about berating women for being women.
kinda sad it took that long though. :/
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 04:52 PM i didn't ever do that but if you want to feel victimized because you're a vacant dipshit then that's okay with me
john's ego 04-27-2012, 05:00 PM i didn't ever do that
yeah but what about that time you said this:
but if you want to feel victimized because you're a vacant dipshit then that's okay with me
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 05:08 PM yes i said that because that was because ****** is female and not a vacant dipshit right
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 05:24 PM i'd like to know what it was john said to make trots change his mind about berating women for being women.
kinda sad it took that long though. :/
you don't need to stupidly oversimplify it to "berating women for being women" because that's not what it was/is
but anyway i think part of it occurred in that "what do you think of these netphorians" thread that was recently bumped
duovamp 04-27-2012, 05:52 PM congratulations, you've really turned yourself into a special kind of presumptive, sanctimonious, judgemental jackass
EXCUSE ME SIR.
THERE IS ONLY ONE E IN JUDGMENTAL.
THAT IS ALL.
cocksure 04-27-2012, 05:53 PM http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/judgemental
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duovamp 04-27-2012, 05:53 PM Let's all be pedantic as fuck all the time.
duovamp 04-27-2012, 05:54 PM IMMATURE, GUYS.
duovamp 04-27-2012, 05:54 PM OFFENSIVE, SIR.
duovamp 04-27-2012, 05:55 PM http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/judgemental
World English Dictionary
judgmental or judgemental (dʒʌdʒˈmɛnt ə l)
— adj
of or denoting an attitude in which judgments about other people's conduct are made
Wuduuuup.
cocksure 04-27-2012, 05:55 PM as pedantic as a fuck
duovamp 04-27-2012, 05:56 PM Needs more pedantic...ness.
RenewRevive 04-27-2012, 06:05 PM i dunno i thought i lost that argument i don't even call bad football players pussies anymore
that's giving up too damn much.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 06:12 PM no it's not
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 06:17 PM the alternatives, like clownshoes, are funnier
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 06:19 PM Being offended by this is like being offended at white people performing a haka.
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Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 06:20 PM why do white people get so upset when someone is offended by their appropriation of elements of their culture
duovamp 04-27-2012, 06:27 PM I get so pissed when people drink English beers. :mad:
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 06:29 PM why do white people get so upset when someone is offended by their appropriation of elements of their culture
I'm not upset...?
Trotskilicious 04-27-2012, 06:35 PM ok, defensive
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 07:25 PM Well okay, I imagine white people get defensive when someone is offended by their appropriation of the offendee's culture because it's kind of a harmless thing to do.
It's not like wearing a headdress and singing faux-Native American chants is glorifying the numerous massacres that happened between Native Americans and American settlers. It's not like any white person performing a haka is glorifying tribes of Maori that traded goods for muskets and killed off the tribes that didn't have muskets. That is something that would offend anyone, especially someone of that ethnic descent.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 07:27 PM Well okay, I imagine white people get defensive when someone is offended by their appropriation of the offendee's culture because it's kind of a harmless thing to do.
It's not like wearing a headdress and singing faux-Native American chants is glorifying the numerous massacres that happened between Native Americans and American settlers. It's not like any white person performing a haka is glorifying tribes of Maori that traded goods for muskets and killed off the tribes that didn't have muskets. That is something that would offend anyone, especially someone of that ethnic descent.
this is terribly short-sighted
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 07:28 PM Also no-one seems to get offended when black people "act white", in fact saying that a black person "acts white" is offensive in itself.
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Eulogy 04-27-2012, 07:28 PM what the fuck
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 07:30 PM this is terribly short-sighted
Feel free to tell me why.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 07:31 PM Feel free to tell me why.
it's not up to you to decide how minorities should respond to a thoughtless appropriation of their culture? and it's not up to you to decide whether or not its a big deal?
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 07:32 PM you're like those racist idiots on twitter who made sure to point out that joel ward was a "nigger" the other night and defended themselves by saying it was no big deal
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 07:52 PM it's not up to you to decide how minorities should respond to a thoughtless appropriation of their culture? and it's not up to you to decide whether or not its a big deal?
Shit dude, I know that a lot of things aren't up to me. If it were up to me whether or not people could get offended at this, I wouldn't stop them from being offended. I never even said that it was up to me anyway.
If someone is offended by something, what do you do? You can either
1) apologise for doing what you did that offended them and cease whatever it was that was offending someone
2) apologise for doing what you did that offended them, understand why it's offensive and why someone is offended, and try to help the offendee understand that they're not trying to be offensive, you're just having some fun and dressing up or whatever. Try to make a compromise basically.
3)Tell them to fuck off, offending them further and getting nowhere
Did you see this poster campaign last year? What did you think of it?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/25/article-2053134-0E85B6E400000578-485_306x462.jpg
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do you like this song, starla?
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 08:00 PM Shit dude, I know that a lot of things aren't up to me. If it were up to me whether or not people could get offended at this, I wouldn't stop them from being offended. I never even said that it was up to me anyway.
If someone is offended by something, what do you do? You can either
1) apologise for doing what you did that offended them and cease whatever it was that was offending someone
2) apologise for doing what you did that offended them, understand why it's offensive and why someone is offended, and try to help the offendee understand that they're not trying to be offensive, you're just having some fun and dressing up or whatever. Try to make a compromise basically.
3)Tell them to fuck off, offending them further and getting nowhere
Did you see this poster campaign last year? What did you think of it?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/25/article-2053134-0E85B6E400000578-485_306x462.jpg
so is it harmless, or is it not up to you to decide whether or not it's harmless?
Also no-one seems to get offended when black people "act white"
wait, what
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 08:24 PM so is it harmless, or is it not up to you to decide whether or not it's harmless?
You said that I thought it was up to me whether or not someone should be offended, not whether or not it's harmless.
Even still, I'm not trying to say that I'm deciding it is harmless. When I said "it's harmless" I meant to say that that is how I see it. I didn't think I needed to prefix it with "in my opinion".
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 08:25 PM You said that I thought it was up to me whether or not someone should be offended, not whether or not it's harmless.
Even still, I'm not trying to say that I'm deciding it is harmless. When I said "it's harmless" I meant to say that that is how I see it. I didn't think I needed to prefix it with "in my opinion".
lol see if something is offensive i wouldn't deem it "harmless."
you really put yourself in the weeds here for no real reason. good luck getting out.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 08:28 PM wait, what
I used quote marks because it's what other people say and believe, but I don't really believe to be true. It's easier than saying "black people that act in a way that others would claim to be in the manner of a white person"
Do you get offended when a black person "acts white"? Do you know of anyone that does get offended?
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 08:29 PM lol see if something is offensive i wouldn't deem it "harmless."
you really put yourself in the weeds here for no real reason. good luck getting out.
2) apologise for doing what you did that offended them, understand why it's offensive and why someone is offended, and try to help the offendee understand that they're not trying to be offensive, you're just having some fun and dressing up or whatever. Try to make a compromise basically.
And if that doesn't work, then go with option 1 and concede defeat to the fact that you offended someone.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 08:32 PM when did pasta of muppet get this dumb
I used quote marks because it's what other people say and believe, but I don't really believe to be true. It's easier than saying "black people that act in a way that others would claim to be in the manner of a white person"
Do you get offended when a black person "acts white"? Do you know of anyone that does get offended?
I'm not sure you're wording this properly. It might be me. The post I quoted, I was confused because you said "no one gets offended when a black person 'acts white'.".
Why would anyone get offended if a person of color acts white?
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 08:39 PM Because it's offensive to some people for white people to act anything other than white.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 08:41 PM when did pasta of muppet get this dumb
What ho? Be this ad hominem?
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 08:56 PM What ho? Be this ad hominem?
uh, no. because i'm observing that you're dumb based on the nonsense you've said in this thread. i'm not saying the nonsense you've said is nonsense because you're dumb.
jesus.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 09:13 PM You didn't even address the argument itself though, other than calling it nonsense.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 09:14 PM what argument?
you said appropriations of culture were harmless, which is idiotic coming from some random white male. you don't know shit about shit.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 09:15 PM also, "apologise?"
you're not british
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 09:21 PM I'm not American, either.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 09:23 PM ah
i get you and 28if confused
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 09:40 PM what argument?
you said appropriations of culture were harmless, which is idiotic coming from some random white male. you don't know shit about shit.
Going back to what I originally said when I pitched in my two cents, about the white haka thing...
Maybe as a New Zealander I'm simply more comfortable with what little native culture we have left that is ingrained into our society. I can't speak for all New Zealanders obviously but I would guess that it's widely deemed acceptable for a group of white or mostly white people to perform a haka.
For example during the opening ceremony of the Rugby World Cup (ugh) last year, I witnessed a skinny, shirtless white guy climb up on top of one of these bus shelter things (http://media.nowpublic.net/images//11/1/1111349365884fb1692a2b464d5612c4.jpg) and do a bastardised haka and everyone freaking loved it and no-one got all "'scuse me white boy, that's an offensive misappropriation of Maori culture"
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 09:43 PM well again
it's not up to you, is it? and this post makes it sound like you want it to be.
fuck off.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 09:51 PM You sound like you want me to want it to be up to me so you can be right.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 09:53 PM or you want it to be up to new zealanders more generally?
the thread was started by someone who found something offensive. and you barged in to say "well I DON'T FIND THIS OTHER THING OFFENSIVE AND NEITHER DO SOME OTHER PEOPLE" as if any of that is relevant.
so again
fuck off.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 10:00 PM Ugh, no of course I don't want it to "be up to [anyone]", I thought that was obvious by now. Sorry if it seemed like I "barged in" but I only saw this thread once it was four pages in, I was just offering my opinion the whole time, as you do on a fucking discussion forum and I don't have to fuck off because you don't like it.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 10:04 PM i was just offering my opinion about when people should and should not be offended ugh
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 10:04 PM it's just my opinion, man.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 10:25 PM I can't believe you're still saying that I think that someone ought not to be offended, because I don't think that.
Basically for me what it comes down to was that I'm not offended by the Native American headdresses or the chanting, Starla is, and maybe if she put herself in the shoes of the white kids wearing shit that's not their own culture, she could find in herself a reason to find it acceptable.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 10:33 PM and maybe if she put herself in the shoes of the white kids wearing shit that's not their own culture, she could find in herself a reason to find it acceptable.
let's all read this a few times and laugh
null123 04-27-2012, 10:33 PM running around dressed up as a racial or cultural stereotype to go see some white bands with your white friends makes you a piece of shit. have some appreciation for your unique position as a privileged white person and recognize that your entire existence, including and especially your ability to wear a war bonnet to Florence and the Machine, represents the spoils of not just past, but present oppression of indigenous people.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 10:48 PM have some appreciation for your unique position as a privileged white person
Sure thing, but how do you express that privileged-ness through clothing/culture? And why should any white person follow such stringent, strict, disapproving moral guidelines like that when it's still "okay" for the opposite to happen? (ie and eg black people "acting white", which still no-one has really addressed in this thread)
...represents the spoils of not just past, but present oppression of indigenous people.
Maybe to you, but I'm sure those OPPRESSIVE WHITE PEOPLE wearing indigenous clothing aren't trying to express that at all. More likely they just want everyone to know that they're attention seekers by wearing something kinda unorthodox.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 10:51 PM And why should any white person follow such stringent, strict, disapproving moral guidelines like that when it's still "okay" for the opposite to happen? (ie and eg black people "acting white", which still no-one has really addressed in this thread)
holy shit you're dumb
null123 04-27-2012, 10:53 PM if I weren't hungover I would answer that. in the meantime maybe you should ask your non-white friends.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 10:58 PM holy shit you're dumb
Yeah I realise the irony but it's not like any white person today is ostracised for any given horrible thing that their white ancestors did. Such as Germans.
null123 04-27-2012, 11:02 PM I weep every night for the plight of white people
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 11:04 PM if I weren't hungover I would answer that. in the meantime maybe you should ask your non-white friends.
I didn't even mean to get caught up in this debate. I'd have preferred it if I didn't have something to occupy my time with, but for once I do and this has distracted me. And I have linked this thread to a Native American descendant and another New Zealander. I can't remember what his heritage is but from memory it is mixed, I'll have to ask him.
duovamp 04-27-2012, 11:09 PM http://i49.tinypic.com/4j2g7t.jpg
john's ego 04-27-2012, 11:11 PM this thread is giving me a hangover.
duovamp 04-27-2012, 11:11 PM looooooooool
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 11:12 PM I weep every night for the plight of white people
Basically what you're saying is
* White ancestors warred with and slaughtered Native Americans centuries ago (a sad fact)
* Therefore white people today need to stick to their own culture (whatever that even is) and avoid associating themselves with traditional Native American attire, lest they channel the oppression of their ancestors into the present civilised world.
Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting. I won't tell you to fuck off or nothing.
Shallowed 04-27-2012, 11:12 PM http://i49.tinypic.com/4j2g7t.jpg
Is that a tattoo of a bush?
john's ego 04-27-2012, 11:18 PM Basically what you're saying is
* White ancestors warred with and slaughtered Native Americans centuries ago (a sad fact)
* Therefore white people today need to stick to their own culture (whatever that even is) and avoid associating themselves with traditional Native American attire, lest they channel the oppression of their ancestors into the present civilised world.
Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting. I won't tell you to fuck off or nothing.
First, Native Americans are actively oppressed to this day.
Second, wearing ritualistic garb to a music festival means you don't care about what it means to begin with. And if you <i>did</i> know about the cultural significance of said garb, and were aware of the second-class status of native Americans then you're just an insensitive asshole. which is your right. you're still an asshole though.
Nobody says that white people should "stick to their own culture". But stepping out requires a lot more effort than donning a village people costume.
Eulogy 04-27-2012, 11:21 PM Basically what you're saying is
* White ancestors warred with and slaughtered Native Americans centuries ago (a sad fact)
* Therefore white people today need to stick to their own culture (whatever that even is) and avoid associating themselves with traditional Native American attire, lest they channel the oppression of their ancestors into the present civilised world.
Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting. I won't tell you to fuck off or nothing.
holy shit you're dumb
make like 28if and stop posting
Starla 04-27-2012, 11:23 PM .
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do you like this song, starla?
Yeah... I do :) I don't know about the regalia being worn casually but it was popular back then too.
Starla 04-27-2012, 11:40 PM Kinda crazy how absolutely at home I feel at the Royals stadium.
I know what you mean.
duovamp 04-27-2012, 11:48 PM this thread is giving me a hangover.
Worst edit ever btw.
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 01:03 AM well that snowballed
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 03:37 AM Okay, I just read this whole thread again and I will admit that this:
Basically for me what it comes down to was that I'm not offended by the Native American headdresses or the chanting, Starla is, and maybe if she put herself in the shoes of the white kids wearing shit that's not their own culture, she could find in herself a reason to find it acceptable.
Is inappropriate wording, but I had completely missed over this part here:
The headdress is a symbol of spirituality for a chief in a tribe or medicine person. They didn't go to the craft store, get a piece of cheap material and hot glue a bunch of feathers to it. They earned those feathers over a life time for various spiritual reasons.
I don't even know why I should have to explain this.
as in, in comparison to wearing mockasins or something, which Starla is okay with.
Also I don't know why you don't know why you should have to explain it. It's not exactly common knowledge. I didn't know that. Why should I?
I'll get around to responding to your last post later.
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 03:46 AM I do feel sympathy for you having to put up with being surrounded by something that is offensive to you and your culture for three days, but I still can't understand how the connection can be made between murderers of Native Americans and ostracisers of culture and...
...these kids who for all you and we know, have no connection at all to those murderers and ostracisers at all.
Fonzie 04-28-2012, 03:50 AM Going back to what I originally said when I pitched in my two cents, about the white haka thing...
Maybe as a New Zealander I'm simply more comfortable with what little native culture we have left that is ingrained into our society. I can't speak for all New Zealanders obviously but I would guess that it's widely deemed acceptable for a group of white or mostly white people to perform a haka.
For example during the opening ceremony of the Rugby World Cup (ugh) last year, I witnessed a skinny, shirtless white guy climb up on top of one of these bus shelter things (http://media.nowpublic.net/images//11/1/1111349365884fb1692a2b464d5612c4.jpg) and do a bastardised haka and everyone freaking loved it and no-one got all "'scuse me white boy, that's an offensive misappropriation of Maori culture"
it's fucking embarrassing, that's what it is.
As a fellow New Zealander...
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 04:04 AM I agree. He was an attention-seeker and he got it.
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 05:21 AM i'd like to know how a white person wearing a head-dress is any different than a white person with dreadlocks
Starla 04-28-2012, 06:17 AM ...these kids who for all you and we know, have no connection at all to those murderers and ostracisers at all.
It doesn't matter if they do or not.
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 06:23 AM And yet you connect them to it.
Starla 04-28-2012, 06:24 AM Where did I connect them? I never said they are responsible for what took place over a 100 years ago.
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 06:31 AM I beg your pardon, it wasn't you.
running around dressed up as a racial or cultural stereotype to go see some white bands with your white friends makes you a piece of shit. have some appreciation for your unique position as a privileged white person and recognize that your entire existence, including and especially your ability to wear a war bonnet to Florence and the Machine, represents the spoils of not just past, but present oppression of indigenous people.
Starla 04-28-2012, 06:35 AM It's cool. I don't blame these kids for anything that happened. That's just silly. My only point was that because these things happened in the past.... it would be nice that they are respectful of what the regalia means to natives.
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 06:49 AM Well, I've read through this thread about three times now and despite a few people saying why they think it is disrespectful, I still don't agree that it is disrespectful. It comes across like that to you. That happens. My posts came across to Eulogy as wanting to dictate how people feel about things, that happens too I guess. Obviously it is a much more sensitive thing to you being a Native American* yourself, you are aware about what the thing truly represents and that it is in fact sacred. I don't think it is entirely reasonable to expect everyone else to know that it is sacred either. Isn't that just projecting?
How do you feel about religious symbols being used to mock or parody? Do they have a point? Is it free speech or offensive? I'm not comparing any negative aspect about religion to NAs, nor am I comparing the fact that people mock and parody consciously to people being unknowingly disrespectful. All that I am comparing here is the use of a symbol that does not represent them. (I'm trying to be very careful with my words here)
*How much of your heritage is non-Native, by the way? If it was mentioned in this thread, I missed it.
john's ego 04-28-2012, 07:43 AM i'd like to know how a white person wearing a head-dress is any different than a white person with dreadlocks
because nappy hair isn't something that any single culture claims dominion over?
cocksure 04-28-2012, 07:47 AM i actually agree with pasta of muppet to some degree. i don't know about the 'harmless' part though
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 08:05 AM Yeah. Not really the word I should have used.
vixnix 04-28-2012, 08:08 AM Isn't she just pointing out that it's not a nice or cool thing to do, to dress up with the feather head dress thing if you are not a Native American? I mean we can all agree to that, seriously what kind of a douchebag does that.
I've been reading the Little House books to my little 6 year old boy and just from them we both understand that not every Native American wears a full head dress like that so wearing one yourself is kind of making a claim about yourself in a way, that you hold a special position in your group or something. It shocks me that people who were born and raised in the U.S.A would know less about Native American cultures than a couple of New Zealanders living in Australia. It's really quite disturbing. They know how to tweet and update their facebook profiles but they don't know that it's offensive to Native Americans to wear a feather head dress thing. Ugh.
You see this is why white Americans are known as the stupidest, most annoying, most vulgar people on the face of the earth, the world over. Because they are real contenders for those titles.
Sonic Johnny 04-28-2012, 08:44 AM ^ this thread is about to blow out to 12 pages after that post.
I'm not even gonna weigh in on this debate.
dean_r_koontz 04-28-2012, 08:44 AM when people come to sweden and wear viking helmets i just go uuuuuuuuurgh.
Sonic Johnny 04-28-2012, 08:47 AM also i'm digging vixnix's assumption that both Pasta and Fonzie are living in Australia. Correct me if i'm wrong guys but are you not both still in New Zealand? And if you *are* over here, where?
Eulogy 04-28-2012, 08:53 AM the point that white kids today aren't personally responsible for what happened in the past is largely irrelevant, isn't it?
it's the same sort of argument i hear when people are trying to say affirmative action is wrong. obviously, two different issues. but some of the same principles apply.
Eulogy 04-28-2012, 08:53 AM You see this is why white Americans are known as the stupidest, most annoying, most vulgar people on the face of the earth, the world over. Because they are real contenders for those titles.
oh good lord
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 08:55 AM also i'm digging vixnix's assumption that both Pasta and Fonzie are living in Australia. Correct me if i'm wrong guys but are you not both still in New Zealand? And if you *are* over here, where?
I don't know about Fonzie but I have been in New Zealand for most of my life.
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 08:58 AM it's the same sort of argument i hear when people are trying to say affirmative action is wrong. obviously, two different issues. but some of the same principles apply.
What are your views on affirmative action?
duovamp 04-28-2012, 09:02 AM You guys are totally ignoring intent. Nobody is wearing these things to insult anybody. They just think they look neat. Nobody is celebrating the destruction of a culture or people by wearing them. There is a difference between wearing ceremonial garb because you like the way it looks and wearing blackface.
I get so damn pissed when people dress as clergy on Halloween!!! :mad:
Eulogy 04-28-2012, 09:02 AM What are your views on affirmative action?
it's a good thing.
Eulogy 04-28-2012, 09:04 AM You guys are totally ignoring intent.
intent isn't really relevant. or at least not the only relevant thing.
the stock apology from racists/homophobes/etc. always includes the line "i didn't intend to hurt anyone" or some variation of it. it doesn't matter.
duovamp 04-28-2012, 09:10 AM intent isn't really relevant. or at least not the only relevant thing.
the stock apology from racists/homophobes/etc. always includes the line "i didn't intend to hurt anyone" or some variation of it. it doesn't matter.
Intent matters legally, so it should matter here. What they're doing isn't as inconsiderate as walking around speaking broken English and saying "me smokem peace pipe." Why can't other cultures share or enjoy other cultures? I just don't think it's necessarily offensive to dress like that, without exception. There are respectful and disrespectful ways of appreciating a culture, and this isn't a case that is always, always disrespectful, like blackface. These kids could actually legitimately think these costumes look interesting and neat and beautiful without tossing anybody on a cross.
Plus free speech. This isn't hate speech.
vixnix 04-28-2012, 09:11 AM oh good lord
oh good lord!
When i talked about a couple of New Zealanders living in Australia, I was talking about my son and me.
duovamp's just trying to defend that drunk blond girl from the picture I think. I think it hurts her hotness value if she's actually being offensive and trashy. Maybe...I dunno. I don't go for slutty blondes, myself...so I can't tell lol.
Eulogy 04-28-2012, 09:13 AM Intent matters legally, so it should matter here. What they're doing isn't as inconsiderate as walking around speaking broken English and saying "me smokem peace pipe." Why can't other cultures share or enjoy other cultures? I just don't think it's necessarily offensive to dress like that, without exception. There are respectful and disrespectful ways of appreciating a culture, and this isn't a case that is always, always disrespectful, like blackface. These kids could actually legitimately think these costumes look interesting and neat and beautiful without tossing anybody on a cross.
Plus free speech. This isn't hate speech.
and the girl in your avatar is being what you would consider respectful?
and intent matters legally but not as much as result. also this is not a trial. and yeah, free speech. ok? i'm not saying these people should be arrested.
duovamp 04-28-2012, 09:15 AM Oh I wouldn't say that dumb bitch is being respectful or considerate. I'm just bothered by the blanket statements I'm seeing that limit people's dress to their own cultures or heritage. I don't think how you dress yourself is morally right or wrong depending on your ancestry. So I'm not defending her, per se, but the rights of other non-Native Americans to wear their ceremonial dress based on legitimate reasons. It felt like people here were saying there were no legitimate reasons to dress like that, ever. I think it can be okay in some rare instances. Unlike blackface.
yo soy el mejor 04-28-2012, 09:19 AM it's one thing to think something "looks neat" and beautiful and another to make a mockery of it.
cocksure 04-28-2012, 09:21 AM Isn't she just pointing out that it's not a nice or cool thing to do, to dress up with the feather head dress thing if you are not a Native American? I mean we can all agree to that, seriously what kind of a douchebag does that.
sorry, i fail to see the logic here. am i supposed to only use whatever cultural entities *my* group (whatever that is: europeans/germans/baltic germans/baltic germans who need a haircut...) uses? i'm unable to know the origin of every little thing i do everyday.
of course, you could say: isn't it obvious that those feather head dresses originate from native americans? yes but isn't that a really stupid simplification in itself, since probably (i'm no expert) not all native american tribes used it? and doesn't its meaning vary depending on space and time?
culture simply isn't that static. but if somebody told me i'm being offensive by wearing that thing i might still consider laying it aside.
Starla 04-28-2012, 09:24 AM These kids could actually legitimately think these costumes look interesting and neat and beautiful without tossing anybody on a cross.
Plus free speech. This isn't hate speech.
Regalia is not a costume. The headdress is not a costume, it's a spiritual and sacred symbol to those tribes who wear them. They are earned over the span of a lifetime. Each feather is earned, and it holds a specific meaning to that person. It's offensive because it doesn't belong to non natives to use so they can play dress up.
I'm Native yet you'll never see me dressing up like these people are. I don't run around with "war paint" and feathers in my hair, and I don't wear buckskin and fringed crap. I don't even own a pair of moccasins that I wear leisurely. People on the rez do not dress like that unless they are in ceremony.
why is this so difficult for people to understand?
Non Native: I wear the indian headdress and feathers cause I appreciate indians and their stuff is cool.
Native: Please don't do that, because it's offensive to me.
Non Native: Nah, I respect your culture and like your stuff too much to listen to what you have to say.
duovamp 04-28-2012, 09:27 AM Sorry. Regalia. I meant regalia moreso than costume.
vixnix 04-28-2012, 09:29 AM It's kinda like wearing a fake military uniform with medals and stripes that you didn't earn. People who wear that stuff on their uniform have lived through some terrible brutal shit and making out like you deserve to wear something like that just because you think it looks neat. I mean it's just naf.
duovamp 04-28-2012, 09:31 AM And like when rich people wear denim.
Starla 04-28-2012, 09:34 AM someone posted this earlier but now I can't find it..... thanks for the laugh :)
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Guys
GUYS
I wear a mass-produced Siddhartha necklace thing... Am I being offensive to Buddhists? :(
dean_r_koontz 04-28-2012, 02:11 PM when i used to leave my home i had a sombrero and a poncho. no one cared.
Mooney 04-28-2012, 02:19 PM http://i.imgur.com/3Zs28.jpg
MusicMan4 04-28-2012, 02:24 PM excuse me charmbag but it's spelled Florence + the Machine
MusicMan4 04-28-2012, 02:27 PM now that i know this stuff is religious in nature i'm totally fine with wearing it and i'm in fact fine with wearing it specifically to mock it
hitchens lives on in my hatred, my alcoholism, my womanizing ways
death envelops us all
i suffocate
slunken 04-28-2012, 04:18 PM haha u guys
duovamp 04-28-2012, 05:42 PM http://i.imgur.com/3Zs28.jpg
If only my avatar weren't so recently changed....
have u ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon?
Mooney 04-28-2012, 06:41 PM http://i.imgur.com/VgLqJ.gif
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 06:49 PM ^
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this one is better
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 07:40 PM because nappy hair isn't something that any single culture claims dominion over?
lol so you've created an exception in your case
duovamp 04-28-2012, 07:42 PM Man, you should've seen what he said earlier about how no majority can ever be ostracized by definition. It's what made me lol so hard before.
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 07:48 PM cultural oppression and marginalization should be confronted and acknowledged, that excessive subdividing of culture is ultimately a harmful thing because what is true the world over is that the haves have dominion over the have nots be they white, chinese, indian, or whatever.
also i think it's weird that people who would make fun of western religious cultural hokum without batting an eye would protect the religious cultural hokum of oppressed minorities
john's ego 04-28-2012, 09:24 PM lol so you've created an exception in your case
In what meaningful way have I created an exception? I'm assuming you think it's cultural appropriation of the rastafarianism, which.... I don't know what to say to that. Ask any anthropologist and they'll tell you it's probably the oldest hairstyle in human history. Cavemen had them for chrissake. As did ancient egyptians, the vikings, buddhists, hindus. Rastafarianism is simply one instance of where dreads are an expression of faith. Though the term "dread lock" is originally a rasta thing.
also i think it's weird that people who would make fun of western religious cultural hokum without batting an eye would protect the religious cultural hokum of oppressed minorities
You dig at me for assuming you're dumb when you say dumb shit like this.
john's ego 04-28-2012, 09:25 PM Man, you should've seen what he said earlier about how no majority can ever be ostracized by definition. It's what made me lol so hard before.
I edited it because I misread Pasta of Muppet's post, and while what I said is true it wasn't relevant to the discussion.
Now buzz off, adults are talking.
rottenugly 04-28-2012, 10:08 PM Now buzz off, adults are talking.
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 10:15 PM You dig at me for assuming you're dumb when you say dumb shit like this.
really what is the difference between rosary beads and pope hats and any of this
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 10:20 PM basically what i'm getting at is that i don't really think white people dressing like movie indians is worth protecting, and that in essence this is about mockery of culture which is wrong, but i am saying i like to make fun of the customs and rituals of the catholic church, and western religion in general
and i can't really think of a justification of how it's different than making fun of indigenous religious ritual
further, if you were just you wouldn't mock any culture
i'd also like to point out that i consistently make a point to label the removal of indians from their land as genocide, and that the reservations are basically minimum security concentration camps
john's ego 04-28-2012, 10:23 PM Christians aren't oppressed.
john's ego 04-28-2012, 10:24 PM I mean they are in like, Egypt and shit. But that's the result of religious fanaticism that should also be totally ridiculed.
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 10:26 PM Christians aren't oppressed.
that doesn't necessarily mean you can ridicule them
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 10:26 PM and you know i do so
Trotskilicious 04-28-2012, 10:27 PM and also there's a lot of marxist "race war is a diversion for class war" floating around in my head too so i'm at odds
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this one is better
Ahhww, I was waiting for his reaction when he found out.
john's ego 04-28-2012, 10:42 PM in the U.S., christian churches hold a formidable amount of social, economic and political influence and a good portion of it is just evil. i don't need to argue that.
if you want to broaden the scope, you could say that religion in general is harmful and should be ridiculed. and you can say that about native americans, i don't care. but the warbonnets are not specifically a religious thing. if you re-read starla's post you'll see that those rituals are the only sort of heirloom from her culture that she can pass down to her kids, and that's really the crux of the whole argument here. the identity of those tribes has almost been completely squashed and then bastardized by white people who think it's all witch doctors and rain dances.
i hope i'm drawing a clear distinction here.
MusicMan4 04-28-2012, 10:47 PM the real problem here is education right?
i'm fairly positive that in no history class was it ever really pointed out how white people basically committed genocide against indians. i mean there's the fun little anecdote about native americans killing off custer and the italian guy crying about litter but i think that's the extent of education about native americans at least when i went through school
but we all know everything about the jews getting killed off in europe (must be because they control the media)
i mean we're getting angry at people who are just ignorant, not vile racists of the george zimmerman variety
dudehitscar 04-28-2012, 11:14 PM http://www.pueblodirect.com/Artifacts3.html
Shallowed 04-28-2012, 11:17 PM http://www.pueblodirect.com/Artifacts3.html
"Authentic", right? :rolleyes:
duovamp 04-28-2012, 11:34 PM I edited it because I misread Pasta of Muppet's post, and while what I said is true it wasn't relevant to the discussion.
Now buzz off, adults are talking.
I had to lol at this too. You dumb fuck, I don't give a shit. Are you kidding me?
duovamp 04-28-2012, 11:35 PM But no seriously say some more insipid crap for all of us, buddy. It's classic.
MusicMan4 04-29-2012, 12:15 AM bon<i></i>sor is funnier and smarter than you, duovamp
slunken 04-29-2012, 12:16 AM we need a group project to work on all this bickering is ridiculous
Starla 04-29-2012, 12:31 AM .
john's ego 04-29-2012, 12:33 AM http://www.pueblodirect.com/Artifacts3.html
welcome to six pages ago.
Starla 04-29-2012, 12:34 AM http://i48.tinypic.com/2zixwd5.jpg
slunken 04-29-2012, 12:41 AM does this mean i can't be rasta?
MusicMan4 04-29-2012, 01:01 AM *pisses into the culture of the wind*
ahhhhhh
dudehitscar 04-29-2012, 02:19 AM what if all the german youth decided to go to a festival wearing traditional jewish attire?
duovamp 04-29-2012, 02:45 AM Like filling their pockets with gold?
duovamp 04-29-2012, 02:45 AM WhoamP!
Trotskilicious 04-29-2012, 03:59 AM does this mean i can't be rasta?
apparently no as per jb
john's ego 04-29-2012, 04:00 AM actually, one of the tenets of rastafarianism is that anyone can join regardless of their race. another tenet of rastafarianism is "don't be a dick"
MusicMan4 04-29-2012, 04:03 AM The last tenet is smoke weed everyday right
MusicMan4 04-29-2012, 04:04 AM Everyone knows Custer died at little big horn,,,what this book presupposes is...maybe he didn't?
duovamp 04-29-2012, 04:07 AM R u rasta?
duovamp 04-29-2012, 04:07 AM Or just poor and dirty?
MusicMan4 04-29-2012, 04:12 AM All of the above
john's ego 04-29-2012, 04:20 AM weed was the main reason i became a rastafarian mon, mon.
john's ego 04-29-2012, 04:20 AM feelin' irie, mon.
Starla 04-29-2012, 04:27 AM .
cocksure 04-29-2012, 05:52 AM Ask any anthropologist and they'll tell you it's probably the oldest hairstyle in human history. Cavemen had them for chrissake. As did ancient egyptians, the vikings, buddhists, hindus. Rastafarianism is simply one instance of where dreads are an expression of faith. Though the term "dread lock" is originally a rasta thing.
see this is exactly what i meant. how sure can you be that those feather head dresses were not used by other peoples, in other customs, for other purposes? no-one has full information on anything. and history is notoriously bad at justifying anything.
Eulogy 04-29-2012, 08:17 AM cultural oppression and marginalization should be confronted and acknowledged, that excessive subdividing of culture is ultimately a harmful thing because what is true the world over is that the haves have dominion over the have nots be they white, chinese, indian, or whatever.
also i think it's weird that people who would make fun of western religious cultural hokum without batting an eye would protect the religious cultural hokum of oppressed minorities
i'm trying to figure out how the same person typed both of these paragraphs in succession
Sonic Johnny 04-29-2012, 10:08 AM Embedding disabled by request but: Starla, how do you feel about the Village People?
http://youtu.be/CS9OO0S5w2k
Future Boy 04-29-2012, 01:07 PM its cool, guy was native
slunken 04-29-2012, 02:36 PM *pisses into the culture of the wind*
ahhhhhh
wouldn't the wind be blowing towards you though?
slunken 04-29-2012, 02:38 PM actually, one of the tenets of rastafarianism is that anyone can join regardless of their race. another tenet of rastafarianism is "don't be a dick"
even dicks come from the center of the earth our mother bless
smashingjj 04-29-2012, 04:04 PM see this is exactly what i meant. how sure can you be that those feather head dresses were not used by other peoples, in other customs, for other purposes?
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cocksure 04-30-2012, 01:53 AM i've never noticed how much that guy looks like young bolly
Shallowed 04-30-2012, 04:40 AM Holy shit you're right. Is that dude from the Rasmus? I only know that "I've been watching, I've been waiting" song by them that was a hit last decade.
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