View Full Version : musicians - ever feel like giving up?


slunken
01-26-2012, 11:46 AM
i feel like i've hit a wall and the challenges are taking up more of my time than, overall, i would like it to. i feel like i'm neglecting mastering other, more useful, skills especially those that could benefit my professional life.

slunken
01-26-2012, 11:50 AM
sometimes i feel overwhelmed by all this gear and i don't know what i'm doing or why i'm doing it

redbreegull
01-26-2012, 05:59 PM
fuck that, just play. don't think about it. feel it. if you aren't ultimately doing it for your personal enjoyment who cares anyway

TuralyonW3
01-26-2012, 06:26 PM
Play with different people

Try a whole new style

Write some songs on acoustic guitar or piano

Dogfighter28
01-26-2012, 06:48 PM
the world is too ambivalent for most art to matter

you have a better chance of making a splash with a dumb fucking twitter post than years of songwriting

Trotskilicious
01-26-2012, 07:14 PM
no you don't

Dogfighter28
01-26-2012, 09:15 PM
how's the guitar training coming trots

TuralyonW3
01-26-2012, 09:25 PM
no you don't

You kinda do though

paranoid
01-26-2012, 10:35 PM
nope. keep pressin' on.

but then again i get paid to teach music so it is my job.. and ya can't teach it well if you're not active in it.

TheGirl
01-27-2012, 01:25 AM
I play piano and just for the enjoyment of it so I don't feel like I'm wasting time. I teach little kids to play too and that's... more fun than it sounds.

Rider
01-27-2012, 03:08 AM
sometimes i feel overwhelmed by all this gear and i don't know what i'm doing or why i'm doing it

You should do something based on Orwell.

vixnix
01-27-2012, 06:24 AM
What do you mean by giving up? Give up trying to be a professional musician? How much have you invested (time, education/training, money) already and how long have you been trying? How old are you?

cocksure
01-27-2012, 07:05 AM
actually i'm getting back into it

thomas_bland
01-28-2012, 06:58 AM
I'm finding it difficult to invest any time in it and 8 years down the line of trying to get anywhere in terms of recording / playing shows it's just kind of dried up.

Still like playing/writing but I think I'm done for recording etc.

reprise85
01-28-2012, 12:22 PM
yeah, i'm starting to be more comfortable knowing it's a "hobby" and not expecting anything else or working on it harder than i feel like

it's weird because it's kinda like giving up a dream, but it doesn't feel that way - it's just not a huge passion anymore for me. maybe it will be again at some point.

Netphorian Gadabout
01-28-2012, 01:22 PM
"Hold on, when you feel like letting go." - Good Charlotte.

slunken
01-28-2012, 01:41 PM
You should do something based on Orwell.

i found his themes outdated

slunken
01-28-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm finding it difficult to invest any time in it and 8 years down the line of trying to get anywhere in terms of recording / playing shows it's just kind of dried up.

Still like playing/writing but I think I'm done for recording etc.

i feel like i'm kind of in this boat, although all i do is record. i think i need to play/write more for fun without a specific goal in mind. my process has just been really slow lately because i'm trying a lot of new things with denser compositions (more overdubs & tracks) and i'm not getting results fast enough than what i'm used. this is contributing to me not feeling like i really know what i'm doing. i'm used to having a specific task to accomplish but now i'm just fiddling around a lot with new setups and gear and sounds and its put me in a rut.

thomas_bland
01-28-2012, 05:50 PM
yeah, i'm starting to be more comfortable knowing it's a "hobby" and not expecting anything else or working on it harder than i feel like

it's weird because it's kinda like giving up a dream, but it doesn't feel that way - it's just not a huge passion anymore for me. maybe it will be again at some point.

Y'know I used to hate it when people said 'hobby' to me, but it is what it is.

thomas_bland
01-28-2012, 05:57 PM
i feel like i'm kind of in this boat, although all i do is record. i think i need to play/write more for fun without a specific goal in mind. my process has just been really slow lately because i'm trying a lot of new things with denser compositions (more overdubs & tracks) and i'm not getting results fast enough than what i'm used. this is contributing to me not feeling like i really know what i'm doing. i'm used to having a specific task to accomplish but now i'm just fiddling around a lot with new setups and gear and sounds and its put me in a rut.

I assume you record at home? The first band that I played in (trying to make a career out of it) used recording studios but then we changed our name and moved to home recording - So we'd get all these ideas down but rarely finish the end product. I've got so many sketchy demos and broken half songs. I think I've found that with having the free reign of not worrying about paying for a studio, I don't have the motivation to get it done (also because my role is more prominent in the initial 'idea' and the lyrics rather than the developing/recording side' - I can do it, but the others are much better at that side of it.

The Omega Concern
01-28-2012, 07:16 PM
go Shock Rock! Flip the script: Wear a mask, put on makeup, light a bible on fire, piss on the crowd, or better yet, piss on the constitution because that's what the man is doing anyway. Or what-everrrrrrs... use music and video to say what you need to. Start viewing yourself as an artist, not so much as a musician.

slunken
01-28-2012, 10:54 PM
I assume you record at home? The first band that I played in (trying to make a career out of it) used recording studios but then we changed our name and moved to home recording - So we'd get all these ideas down but rarely finish the end product. I've got so many sketchy demos and broken half songs. I think I've found that with having the free reign of not worrying about paying for a studio, I don't have the motivation to get it done (also because my role is more prominent in the initial 'idea' and the lyrics rather than the developing/recording side' - I can do it, but the others are much better at that side of it.

yea i record at home. you've described, again, my problem lately. i'm used to flying through material and putting it together in the editing stage but now that i'm trying to compose properly i've moved onto the next thing before the previous task is ready to be put to bed.

slunken
01-28-2012, 10:55 PM
Start viewing yourself as an artist, not so much as a musician.

i've been doing this ever since i stopped playing in bands and started home recording. good advice, though.

cocksure
01-29-2012, 08:49 AM
i don't even want to make any money off of this, play shows, sell lots of LPs or anything. i'd be 100% pleased if one day a cassette that i'm ok with gets published by some irrelevant label, edition of 20

slunken
01-29-2012, 10:00 AM
the high wears off quickly

cocksure
01-29-2012, 12:03 PM
probably. but really i'm not doing this for anyone but myself. i just want to see if those things in my head can actually be realised in sound. i want to make music i can't find anywhere else

Trotskilicious
01-29-2012, 02:41 PM
You kinda do though

you have just as little a chance of making a splash with a twitter post as you do making it big with music

slunken
01-29-2012, 08:04 PM
i want to make music i can't find anywhere else

this is the only thing that really keeps me going though its such a struggle to find one's true voice at least it is for me

slunken
01-31-2012, 11:16 PM
i've begun working on some unfinished material from a couple years back and it's coming along nicely

Trotskilicious
02-01-2012, 12:34 AM
follow your dreams
you deserve to be a champion

<img src="http://mansizemag.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/andy.jpg">

slunken
07-12-2014, 03:18 PM
I'm glad I didn't give up.

I stuck with it and watched it grow.

Elphenor
07-12-2014, 03:47 PM
Sometimes I feel like giving up because I can't imagine playing something that doesn't sound like a shitty version of a band that already exists.

Elphenor
07-12-2014, 03:48 PM
But playing guitar and singing is super fun so whatever

Sonic Johnny
07-12-2014, 05:17 PM
Fuck no. But I'm not under any illusions about it paying off in any way so I'm doing it for the love strictly at this point.

22:7
07-12-2014, 05:43 PM
Only when I don't have enough money to pay my bills and I have to sell equipment to survive. Then it's tough. Luckily it's been a while since I've had to do that.

Poots
07-12-2014, 08:12 PM
I love finding desperate musicians who need to eat that have great gear. You can totally get some of their shit for cheap and they'll be like "yep, my dad gave me this guitar, take good care of her" and you're like "I'm flipping this on craigslist ASAP. If that doesn't work I'm parting it out on ebay" then they're like "well shithead its not for sale then" then you're like "try eating this alder guitar body" then they're like "okay" then later you see them buying meth behind the Dairy Queen dumpster and you're like "your father would be proud. BTW, the guitar sounds like shit" then they try to run at the car but you tell your buddy to floor it and you leave them there in the parking lot and they realize in the confusion that they dropped the baggie of meth and they scream over the sound of your friend's sqeeling mustang tires. I'm drunk.

bye june
07-12-2014, 08:50 PM
I give up every god damn day.

I get very manic and have all these big ideas...then I get depressed when I can't execute them the way I want. I have a hard time making up my mind and I change projects/goals/songs/styles/plans constantly. I don't record much anymore because I change my mind so much or lose interest. I always thought that if I had more free time I would be more productive musically...but having been without a job now for over three months I've accomplished little.

I have been working on songs and material with my brother for a while now but we need a full band to play the kind of music we make...and it's not easy finding people to jam with around here...especially someone who is serious about being dedicated to the band/project. Also everybody plays guitar now...can't find any bassists or drummers around here. So I'm playing drums now when we compose and it's cool but I'm not the drummer. We're kinda bored playing by ourselves at home all the time, we want to start playing live.

tldr: it's easy to take the fun out of music.

bye june
07-12-2014, 08:54 PM
I really do enjoy singing, playing guitar and drums...I just obsess to much about playing live with a band and recording professionally.

AveryLoren
08-10-2014, 03:38 AM
I came here to make a very similar thread as I am finding myself in the same position you were in. I just hit 28, and it’s finally starting to dawn on me that my dream will never come true. It’s caused me to become increasingly distant from writing and playing in general. Couple that with the fact that my guitar skills are just “good” despite years and years of constant playing. I feel like I tried too hard to be this multi-instrumentalist genius that I am just average to “good” on a few different instruments. I’ve hit this rut with recording, it’s like I can’t realize my ideas with real instruments. I’ve grown so increasingly obsessed with it over the years that I have pretty much mastered programming MIDI. I constantly want to give up and sell off all my gear, but when I come close I freak out. It’s so much a part of my identity that I feel like I won’t be myself anymore.

Trotskilicious
08-10-2014, 04:22 AM
thing is you guys should still do it, just don't think you're gonna make it. i'm so envious of folks who can play instruments. you learned things. you're not going to make a career you realize now but isn't it enjoyable to play with people ?

slunken
08-10-2014, 07:41 AM
My trouble lately is the fine line between a great feeling rough take vs a sterile edited recording. Im finding my recordings lose a bit of magic when i worry about numbers of bars and measures, as opposed to early versions where i mostly just feel it. Those are sometimes more boring at times but i think the payoff points and climaxes are better.

Poots
08-10-2014, 06:13 PM
I have to work my way around to where I started. It starts off rough but with good feel, then I sterilize the shit into perfection, then I listen back after a week and cut some parts that make it boring and do some off the cuff overdubs to give it some life again.

Ultimately though, I always feel better about a recording when it's done as close to perfect as I can get it rather than some rough, out of time demo shit. At least let the backing tracks be perfect and get the "feel" from the vocal delivery or the solo to make it sound like you didn't record each track one-by-one over a few days.

It's sad that you do all this work and nobody ever listens to it, or if you do, they're like "mmm hmmm that's good" and you're like "I can make you a copy" and they're like "sure" and then they leave it on the counter when they leave and you find it the next day, making your hangover oh so much more worse.

Elphenor
08-10-2014, 06:50 PM
I just want to do live stuff. If I could be in a band that plays regularly at some place and has like 3 fans that would be enough.

Poots
08-10-2014, 08:55 PM
Playing live is great but it is very fleeting. When you haven't played a gig in a month it feels like its been ten years and you feel like a worthless shitass. At least writing and recording is a sustainable way to creatively fulfill yourself.

redbreegull
08-10-2014, 09:00 PM
thing is you guys should still do it, just don't think you're gonna make it. i'm so envious of folks who can play instruments. you learned things. you're not going to make a career you realize now but isn't it enjoyable to play with people ?

this, basically.

AveryLoren
08-10-2014, 09:49 PM
It's sad that you do all this work and nobody ever listens to it

This is the story of my life. I have composed music for over seventeen years at a pretty substantial rate and it’s all on hard drives. I've had a few "fans" over the years. But it's always been predominately just me listening. Sometimes I am shocked at how much material I have amassed over the years that will never be heard. It’s almost like it became a sickness to write material. I think I was living a fantasy in my head that grew out of control. I’ve written entire albums with fake singles and their B-Sides. I fantasize that in the future someone will open my lock box of sheet music. They’ll just be amazed at how much material is there. It will become this big fascinating find and people will try to record it. Fans will emerge and feud over whose version is better… yeah I have problems.

Trotskilicious
08-11-2014, 01:30 AM
throw it on soundcloud, man

basically just put it on the internet

not to the degree of that r-tard with the EDM factory but you know what i mean

fuzzyroes
08-11-2014, 02:45 AM
This is the story of my life. I have composed music for over seventeen years at a pretty substantial rate and it’s all on hard drives. I've had a few "fans" over the years. But it's always been predominately just me listening. Sometimes I am shocked at how much material I have amassed over the years that will never be heard. It’s almost like it became a sickness to write material. I think I was living a fantasy in my head that grew out of control. I’ve written entire albums with fake singles and their B-Sides. I fantasize that in the future someone will open my lock box of sheet music. They’ll just be amazed at how much material is there. It will become this big fascinating find and people will try to record it. Fans will emerge and feud over whose version is better… yeah I have problems.

Yeah man throw the music up on a site. If it's any good it'll likely catch on to a least a modest amount of people.

I'm in the same boat as you. My whole life I had that dream and worked super hard, then I become an adult and the music industry died (just my luck) . No one buys records anymore so it's nearly impossible to catch "lightning in a bottle" like a lot of the great bands did back in the 90's and beyond.

But ultimately for me, it's fulfilling to just sit down with my nice acoustic to play my own riffs and peoples tunes, jam out random stuff with people, write my own tunes, rock out some random stuff to record and build upon it and such. Ultimately it just comes down to the love of the music. I've learned that it really is stupid and unrealistic to hope for some big monetary gains from it.

fuzzyroes
08-11-2014, 02:49 AM
Playing live is great but it is very fleeting. When you haven't played a gig in a month it feels like its been ten years and you feel like a worthless shitass. At least writing and recording is a sustainable way to creatively fulfill yourself.

Ehh playing lives cool when everyones into it and digging it and what not. I used to love playing live but now I'm older and it's like "what really is the point"? Am I trying to impress people with my music or something? Who gives a fuck. It's nice if people enjoy it , but it's more or less just a pain in the ass getting all the gear to a show, barely making any money (or no money at all) just to play in front of 20 people at some shitty bar.

fuzzyroes
08-11-2014, 02:53 AM
Playing lives dope if you're like a teenager though. All the girls think you're all bad-ass if you can put a good band together and rock the "teen scene" haha

Trotskilicious
08-11-2014, 02:53 AM
you should give up, though, fuzzy

fuzzyroes
08-11-2014, 02:57 AM
Already have man. It's nothing more than a hobby for me. I haven't been in a steady band for years now. My old band did a few reunion gigs a while back but that's been basically it.

I've been writing tunes with a few buddies and stuff and recording my own jams though. I'll probably post some shit here when I have a big enough body of work. But I'm of no illusion that it's ever going to be some sort of source of income for me.

Lucky Day Spa
08-11-2014, 05:02 AM
i've never "given up", but i do nothing for months at a time now

it used to be weeks

smashingjj
08-11-2014, 09:08 AM
Being the talented professional musician that I am, I look down on all of you too much to participate seriously in this thread. Losers.

bye june
08-11-2014, 10:47 AM
thing is you guys should still do it, just don't think you're gonna make it. i'm so envious of folks who can play instruments. you learned things. you're not going to make a career you realize now but isn't it enjoyable to play with people ?

Yes I think I'm always going to play music, but playing live and recording professionally is all I want to do.

I feel like my brother and I are creating very interesting music that needs to be heard...we just don't have a full band to help us out and finding dedicated people to play with is very challenging where I live.

soniclovenoize
08-11-2014, 11:19 AM
Then move.

bye june
08-11-2014, 11:46 AM
Then move.

I've got the perfect practice space/house. No noise restrictions, no bills, all I gotta do is mow the yards and it's right across the road from my house. Like where the fuck would I be able to move to that allows us to practice as loud as we want when we want?

Trotskilicious
08-11-2014, 03:53 PM
austin texas possibly

slunken
08-11-2014, 03:53 PM
i've never "given up", but i do nothing for months at a time now

it used to be weeks

Been doing this. I went for a 2 month spell without playing recently. Now it seems like every other week.

I feel like I should be at least working on scales every day for an hour. Even if its on an acoustic. That way when I plug into the main instrument I can get down to work sooner.

My mind's been on getting a jamman solo to use in a practice chain to do some next level practice exercises on the fly without having to power on the main rig (susan).

Also I've been trying to digitally transcribe all of my song notes and charts into a digital program for the iPad. Not going as well as I thought it would. It's just painstaking. I think I might stick with the binder and having one song written over 3-5 pages with other ideas in between and pedal settings scribbled everywhere (most of them not the last one that i really liked and wanted to keep).

Trotskilicious
08-11-2014, 03:54 PM
as a creative talent my calling is writing but i haven't written anything of substance in years. i think the closest I get to writing anything structured is when i feel the necessity to lay a smackdown in an argument on here

it's really sad, to be honest. it's basically block.

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:19 PM
i can feel that. we should go to a poetry slam sometime.

soniclovenoize
08-11-2014, 08:21 PM
I've got the perfect practice space/house. No noise restrictions, no bills, all I gotta do is mow the yards and it's right across the road from my house. Like where the fuck would I be able to move to that allows us to practice as loud as we want when we want?

Sounds like a great tree falling in the woods.

Poots
08-11-2014, 09:06 PM
i can feel that. we should go to a poetry slam sometime.

Let knock back a few sonnets and fuck some hot little poems. What do you say fellas? Guy stuff!!

fuzzyroes
08-12-2014, 05:17 AM
as a creative talent my calling is writing but i haven't written anything of substance in years. i think the closest I get to writing anything structured is when i feel the necessity to lay a smackdown in an argument on here

it's really sad, to be honest. it's basically block.

You should start up that blog you were considering. Maybe you could be a culture critic or something. Just tear stupid shit up that dumbasses like to pieces in your comedic fashion and it's bound to get some hits.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-12-2014, 05:59 AM
nice sentence, fuzzy.

smashingjj
08-12-2014, 07:22 AM
yeah, you should consider writing. Maybe a blog.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-12-2014, 07:29 AM
yeah maybe you should a blog consider writing

bye june
08-13-2014, 02:25 AM
Sounds like a great tree falling in the woods.

We sound like 100 trees falling at the same time in the woods when we jam.

:billy::jimmy:

soniclovenoize
08-13-2014, 10:38 AM
Noice