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Spira|_
10-20-2011, 10:07 AM
I am just listening to Zwan at Glass House.

And definitely Zwan was much better than mostly anything released by SP 2.x.

Simple and straight songs but with soul.


'Of a Broken Heart' or 'The Shining Path' are enough for my statement.
:smoke:

amoergosum
10-20-2011, 10:39 AM
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tweedyburd
10-20-2011, 10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsOil_jRsIQ

"These are the best people I know, they're incredible, incredible people."

:think:

Kahlo
10-20-2011, 10:58 AM
Often I listen to the excellent Paris acoustic boot and wish that there had been more music like that released. It's just a shame that they couldn't keep it together.

amoergosum
10-20-2011, 11:25 AM
"These are the best people I know, they're incredible, incredible people."


...fast forward >>>

I’ll never go anywhere near those people. Ever. I mean, I detest them. You can put that in capital letters. Bad people. James and D’Arcy are good people. They might be misguided people, but they’re good people.

great poster
10-20-2011, 11:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsOil_jRsIQ

"These are the best people I know, they're incredible, incredible people."

:think:

Ha, just paused the video at that point just to post that. Yeah, kind of makes me sad, honestly. The band split up like, a year after because they were all being assholes? It's a shame.

amoergosum
10-20-2011, 11:38 AM
Ha, just paused the video at that point just to post that.

>>>
http://www.endlessvideo.com/watch?v=KsOil_jRsIQ&start=2m10s&end=2m28s

SlingeroGuitaro
10-20-2011, 12:16 PM
Lol at fat jimmy

great poster
10-20-2011, 12:36 PM
>>>
http://www.endlessvideo.com/watch?v=KsOil_jRsIQ&start=2m10s&end=2m28s

that site will not work in any of my browsers

rottenugly
10-20-2011, 12:36 PM
http://www.buzzpirates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/billy-mad-2.jpg


stop looking at me zwan

amoergosum
10-20-2011, 12:57 PM
Often I listen to the excellent Paris acoustic boot and wish that there had been more music like that released.

Does anyone have a link to Flac files of the Paris concert?

slunken
10-20-2011, 01:19 PM
http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/

Funky_Gibbon
10-20-2011, 01:38 PM
Often I listen to the excellent Paris acoustic boot and wish that there had been more music like that released. It's just a shame that they couldn't keep it together.

My personal favourite is the late Emerson Theatre show. There isn't one poor performance or song in that show... well ok Candy Came Calling isn't that great but apart from that.

New Art Rioter
10-20-2011, 01:55 PM
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Rairun
10-20-2011, 02:13 PM
I still maintain that the brief period between their first show and the recording of MSotS was when Billy was the most healthy and balanced in his career. He gave sensible interviews. He wrote good songs. Somehow the band curtailed his overwhelming sense of self-importance--he sounded more down to earth than he ever did before or after. He was just a guy making good art, no bullshit attached. Seriously, for about a year there I thought he'd make it.

I don't know what happened between him and the band, but it's such a shame he let it taint the only time he ever sounded like a reasonably happy, well-adjusted human being. Zwan was known for having a "happy Billy", but I think that perception was misconstrued: he wrote quite a few sad songs as well, with the difference that he sounded more grounded and mature, even when dealing with sadness and loneliness. I don't know, he just sounded freer, humbler, ready to face anything. And now you just know that he looks back and thinks it was all delusion. Even if he can't get over whatever happened, it's sad he thinks of everything as a lie.

I still wonder what happened to him. He seemed to be well on his way to contentedness and then bam! Fell apart. 8 years on, he's still a mess.

houseofglass11
10-20-2011, 02:18 PM
MSotS was a fantastic album. I agree SP 3.0 hasn't done anything nearly as good.

amoergosum
10-20-2011, 02:26 PM
I don't know what happened between him and the band


Q. You pulled the plug on Zwan just before you were supposed to tour Europe in 2003, only a few months after your only album came out. Why?

A. It was devastating because I had invested two years of energy setting it up. I didn't want to start over again. But it was a disaster waiting to happen, worse than the Pumpkins. If you come out of something very painful, your natural reaction is I'm not going to do that again. And you wake up, and realize, not only am I doing that again, but it's worse. It's not even as good a band as the Pumpkins were. The record company turned it into a simple explanation: The record didn't sell, so Corgan got pissed off and went home. But the problems got started while the record was being made, and success would've only covered it up. Jimmy [Chamberlin] and I talk often, and we both thank God that it was not successful. Because if it had been, we would have been locked into it longer, and the atom-bomb potential would have been bigger.

Q. You had problems with the other band members [Matt Sweeney, David Pajo, Paz Lenchantin]?

A. The music wasn't the big problem, it was more their attitude: `Why do we have to practice? I'd rather be hanging out at the Rainbo.' Lifestyle stuff. And then you get into what I would call cataclysmic behavioral stuff. Sex acts between band members in public. People carrying drugs across borders. Pajo sleeping with the producer's girlfriend while we were making the record. I just tried to do what I've always done, which is to patch it up and roll it out. You go into a denial state. I got snookered in by really bad people. It's embarrassing to me. But it wised me up to why I play, and who I love, and it made me appreciate my old band even more.


Source:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-04-24/news/0504230270_1_smashing-pumpkins-and-zwan-billy-corgan-rock

Rairun
10-20-2011, 02:44 PM
Like I said, I don't know what happened.

slunken
10-20-2011, 03:14 PM
My personal favourite is the late Emerson Theatre show. There isn't one poor performance or song in that show... well ok Candy Came Calling isn't that great but apart from that.

great show. great memories.

tweedyburd
10-20-2011, 03:18 PM
I've always wondered why Pajo or the others haven't retaliated with their own version of the story at some point. After all these years of having Billy drag their names through the mud, you'd think at least one of them would've stood up for themselves. I remember Pajo responding to some fan question a while back that (and I'm paraphrasing) he would "love to tell the real story of what happened, to tell the real history of Zwan and why it fell apart, but it would have to be told years from now." Are they simply scared of Corgan and his lawyers suing for defamation? Kinda like Devi Ever got threatened to be sued recently? Because Corgan certainly hasn't restrained himself from saying potentially defamatory/slanderous things about them. It's just really weird that they invested just as much of their own time into this thing and then are too cowardly or apathetic to honor their good names.

slunken
10-20-2011, 03:25 PM
they're too busy leading lives as successful musicians to worry about the few years they spent chilling on the rat in a cage guy's dime.

Rider
10-20-2011, 03:32 PM
I still maintain that the brief period between their first show and the recording of MSotS was when Billy was the most healthy and balanced in his career. He gave sensible interviews. He wrote good songs. Somehow the band curtailed his overwhelming sense of self-importance--he sounded more down to earth than he ever did before or after. He was just a guy making good art, no bullshit attached. Seriously, for about a year there I thought he'd make it.

I don't know what happened between him and the band, but it's such a shame he let it taint the only time he ever sounded like a reasonably happy, well-adjusted human being. Zwan was known for having a "happy Billy", but I think that perception was misconstrued: he wrote quite a few sad songs as well, with the difference that he sounded more grounded and mature, even when dealing with sadness and loneliness. I don't know, he just sounded freer, humbler, ready to face anything. And now you just know that he looks back and thinks it was all delusion. Even if he can't get over whatever happened, it's sad he thinks of everything as a lie.

I still wonder what happened to him. He seemed to be well on his way to contentedness and then bam! Fell apart. 8 years on, he's still a mess.


Well we all thought he was happy, but lets face reality he named the album after a Church where he sat outside in the middle of the night crying about his dead mother.

It sure did seem like things were on a great track though. I remember getting the bootlegs of that last tour and looking back you can see the band falling apart, suddenly the set list is the same every night, less joking around.

The thing I can never figure is why everyone he works with just lets him talk shit about them for decades and they never respond. I mean there must be truly insane stories waiting to be told.

Robert Paulson
10-20-2011, 03:44 PM
There is a random zwan sticker on a trash can at my school. I just noticed it the other day and was like wow that's kind of cool I guess

tweedyburd
10-20-2011, 03:51 PM
they're too busy leading lives as successful musicians to worry about the few years they spent chilling on the rat in a cage guy's dime.

Yeah, I get that. But why not stand up for yourself and correct the record? I mean, if someone talked mad shit about you in such a forum that millions read about it, over the course of several years, at some point don't you have the self-respect to defend yourself? I realize they're all off in different worlds at this point but until they give an alternative point of view, Corgan's perspective is all we (and the history books) have to go on. As such, it is the ad hoc official story.

SlingeroGuitaro
10-20-2011, 03:54 PM
Maybe they don't retaliate because what he says is true.

SlingeroGuitaro
10-20-2011, 03:56 PM
And from someone that kind of/sort of knows pajo and has worked with him a few times- he isnt the type of person to stand up for himself, and honestly isn't big on integrity.

amoergosum
10-20-2011, 04:03 PM
And from someone that kind of/sort of knows pajo and has worked with him a few times- he isnt the type of person to stand up for himself, and honestly isn't big on integrity.


>>>
http://www.endlessvideo.com/watch?v=BBiyslJymbw&start=2m1s&end=2m34s

great poster
10-20-2011, 04:11 PM
Well we all thought he was happy, but lets face reality he named the album after a Church where he sat outside in the middle of the night crying about his dead mother.

What? Source please?

Rider
10-20-2011, 04:22 PM
What? Source please?

Go find the interview yourself.

It happened when they were in the keys,



http://keywestcatholicparish.org/index.html

he found some statue of Mary there crawled up next to and prayed about his mother all night long or some shit like that. He claims he had some kind of religious experience that night. Next thing you know we have a crap album and all the members of Zwan are evil.

Rider
10-20-2011, 04:27 PM
Here we go it was his stupid blog:

What I usually said, which 'was' true, is that when zwan was rehearsing in key west, florida during the winter of 2001, I used to go and hang out at this church called Mary Star of the Sea. What I didn't say is that off to the side was a grotto of the Virgin Mary that I used to go and pray at to find some clarity and solace. I asked Mother Mary there to help me change the direction of my life, my negative attitudes, and to heal my broken heart.

There is another interview somewhere he talks about going there at night.

Order 66
10-20-2011, 04:37 PM
zwan and their album paralleled my life at the time. i'd started college, got a new girlfriend, new car, new friends ect. it was a 'new beginning' and every time i listen to MSOTS i nostalgia over that period. but also it paralells the faked and forced happiness i was feeling at the time. like i was pumping myself up to a 10 on the happy meter when it shouldve been a 6 or a 7, and when the illusion shattered it was ugly. it seems the same can be said of the band

as for zwan itself, i'm glad it ended. msots had some classics, the shows were great. but still you got a sense they didn't quite know where they were going. maybe they could've come away with a great sophomore effort after some soul searching, a la siamese dream. but its clear billy should've just kept the pumpkins name after james dropped out (lets face it, he'd pick it back up seven years later without him anyway) and that probably would've freed him up artistically. i'm not saying zwan=SP but it's clear he kind of painted himself into a corner trying to "not be SP"

Rairun
10-20-2011, 04:41 PM
And from someone that kind of/sort of knows pajo and has worked with him a few times- he isnt the type of person to stand up for himself, and honestly isn't big on integrity.

In what sense? I mean, the integrity thing.

Rider
10-20-2011, 04:42 PM
as for zwan itself, i'm glad it ended. msots had some classics, the shows were great. but still you got a sense they didn't quite know where they were going. maybe they could've come away with a great sophomore effort after some soul searching, a la siamese dream. but its clear billy should've just kept the pumpkins name after james dropped out (since he'd pick it back up seven years later without him anyway) and that probably would've freed him up artistically. i'm not saying zwan=SP but it's clear he kind of painted himself into a corner trying to "not be SP"


Huh? We know they had about 5 albums worth of amazing songs that just got thrown away.

emotionalfriend
10-20-2011, 04:49 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SLEmarmr7Cc/TI3ifu_ZL1I/AAAAAAAACuE/tiAgxYbyOcw/s1600/091.jpg


http://www.ewt.an/files/zwan__1199914261.jpg

Order 66
10-20-2011, 04:51 PM
Huh? We know they had about 5 albums worth of amazing songs that just got thrown away.

yes i know there was shitloads of material that ended up just rotting away, and i'm sure some of it was really good. but i meant from future sessions, after the supposed djali zwan album was done with. i'm sure then they'd go back to the drawing board. and from that point i didn't quite have that "where will they go from here?" curiosity i got with SP1

SlingeroGuitaro
10-20-2011, 04:51 PM
In what sense? I mean, the integrity thing.

He was pretty lazy. He would get involved with something and say 'eh, good enough.' he would write really good music and then while recording (which is the only reason I know him) he would say 'I fucked up but doesn't that sound good?'

He didn't have any respect for other people's space or things. He would raid fridges, 'borrow' instruments and cars, then come back and say 'whoa man I thought we were good. Just ran to the store. Didn't think you would mind.'

Order 66
10-20-2011, 04:55 PM
holy shit that sounds like me

Order 66
10-20-2011, 04:55 PM
billy was right, then

Rider
10-20-2011, 05:21 PM
yes i know there was shitloads of material that ended up just rotting away, and i'm sure some of it was really good. but i meant from future sessions, after the supposed djali zwan album was done with. i'm sure then they'd go back to the drawing board. and from that point i didn't quite have that "where will they go from here?" curiosity i got with SP1


You say they didn't have a sophomore album, then post this. Once again HUH?

Order 66
10-20-2011, 05:31 PM
it depends on what you consider a 'sophomore album' i guess. i thought the djali zwan album would be more of a spinoff rather than a full fledged follow up to msots (hence the "djali" attached to the name)

kind of like how let it be came after abbey road, but were done during the same sessions

New Art Rioter
10-20-2011, 05:40 PM
but its clear billy should've just kept the pumpkins name after james dropped out (lets face it, he'd pick it back up seven years later without him anyway) and that probably would've freed him up artistically. i'm not saying zwan=SP but it's clear he kind of painted himself into a corner trying to "not be SP"

Would of been impossible, the trajectory of the Pumpkins went so far into that dark, art rock abyss by the end that it would have been very, very strange to turn around and give the sunshine n' rainbows Zwan feel directly afterwards with no James. Thinking about it, the darkness of 1999-2000 era Pumpkins at least partially must have come from the total disintegration of their friendship.

Zwan at least gave Corgan freedom from those restraints, unfortunately it was a frying pan/fire situation

Order 66
10-20-2011, 05:45 PM
when machina came out (and before it was announced to be the 'last' album) i thought the next album would be sort of back to basics anyway. so i guess my point is another album under the SP name would have been lighter like mary star - but not be forced to be overtly sunshine and rainbows, or, to use a more deragative adjective, 'sappy'. it seemed without the SP name he felt a need to "go there", when there wasn't really any need to

but then again, its all coulda woulda shoulda. its done. it is what it is. so everybody's wrong when they go down that road. but i think in keeping the SP name all along he wouldn't have been scrambling to pick the pieces up like he did the last ten years

soniclovenoize
10-20-2011, 05:46 PM
kind of like how let it be came after abbey road, but were done during the same sessions

They weren't actually.

Order 66
10-20-2011, 05:52 PM
they were recorded around the same period right? i know let it be was recorded before abbey road but released later...

Order 66
10-20-2011, 05:56 PM
i mean my point is, if you record music in a general time frame and release it seperately, it isn't a true "follow up". i'm trying to think of other examples but cant come up with anything great. i guess one is, amnesiac isn't the follow up to kid A like In Rainbows was to Hail to the thief. or, alot of people consider pieces iscariot to be the follow up to siamese dream, when the true follow up is MCIS. that's the best way i can articulate it

soniclovenoize
10-20-2011, 06:02 PM
they were recorded around the same period right? i know let it be was recorded before abbey road but released later...

No, there was a specific beginning and ending to the Let It Be Sessions, as there was a specific beginning and ending to the Abbey Road Sessions. They simply just shelved the Let It be Sessions while making Abbey Road, but there was still a fine line between the two albums sessions.

Rider
10-20-2011, 06:11 PM
sophomore [sof-uh-mawr, -mohr; sof-mawr, -mohr]

Origin
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 [sof-uh-mawr, -mohr; sof-mawr, -mohr] Show IPA
noun
1.
a student in the second year of high school or college.
2.
a person or group in the second year of any endeavor: He's a sophomore on Wall Street.
adjective
3.
of or pertaining to a sophomore.
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of or being a second effort or second version: Their sophomore album was even better than their first.

T&T
10-20-2011, 07:50 PM
to me it's a combination of Billy's "paying to take your band-mates to the circus" & "go big or go home"
billy is a workaholic. the guy wants to do band stuf 80hours a week. it's in his blood.


Paz, Sweeney & Pajo were all musicians with their own careers beforehand. I'm sure once the ball was rolling they wanted to sit back and enjoy the lobster. Billy was/is probably used to having the control and dangling the carrot "if we don't jam 30hours this week, the band will FAIL", and d'arcy and james probably believed him (hell mike, nicole and jeff probably belive him too now). I'm certain Paz, Sweeney & Pajo just told billy to fuck off and suck a dick. they come from different places.
it's a character flaw to push and over-invest oneself into a project, help others along and then expect the same in return. Billy's viewphoria "paying to take your band-mates to the circus" is megalomania. it's just plain disrespectful to the friendships. being in a band shouldn't be a business transaction.


OT, but I think jeff gets that it's just a business transaction. he seems smart like that, and not hung up on the billy bs. haha.

SlingeroGuitaro
10-20-2011, 08:02 PM
A band is a business transaction, though.

T&T
10-20-2011, 08:28 PM
& with zwan: transaction terminated.

samuel redman
10-20-2011, 08:58 PM
a lot of zwans stuff was easily on par with classic pumpkins material.

shame i never got to see them

somaziro
10-20-2011, 09:25 PM
i think some of the zwan stuff was way better than a ton of pumpkins 1.0 material. didn't care for the mary star album though, seems like most of the better songs were left off the album.

T&T
10-20-2011, 09:44 PM
i think some of the zwan stuff was way better than a ton of pumpkins 1.0 material. didn't care for the mary star album though, seems like most of the better songs were left off the album.
I'm sure billy had nothing to do with that.
and i'm sure hat had nothing to do with why the band broke up.

aztec litany service
10-20-2011, 11:29 PM
girl. with. the. cruel. face. 12. 14. 01.
saw zwan, they rocked. still, some of the 'happiness' did seem forced. segregating the 2 'sides' of the band was a bad idea. blahblah

reprise85
10-21-2011, 12:49 AM
a lot of zwans stuff was easily on par with classic pumpkins material.

shame i never got to see them

yep

amoergosum
10-21-2011, 08:25 AM
Often I listen to the excellent Paris acoustic boot and wish that there had been more music like that released.

I listened to it for the first time yesterday....fantastic concert.

teamneedle
10-23-2011, 12:49 AM
Often I listen to the excellent Paris acoustic boot and wish that there had been more music like that released. It's just a shame that they couldn't keep it together.

def, i consider that one of the best albums of the 00's-

paranoid
10-23-2011, 02:36 AM
He was pretty lazy. He would get involved with something and say 'eh, good enough.' he would write really good music and then while recording (which is the only reason I know him) he would say 'I fucked up but doesn't that sound good?'

He didn't have any respect for other people's space or things. He would raid fridges, 'borrow' instruments and cars, then come back and say 'whoa man I thought we were good. Just ran to the store. Didn't think you would mind.'

I just ended a band with someone that was exactly like this. complete and total pain in the ass, and when something was wrong he'd project the fault on to me. Was always looking for something from someone else, like he was entitled to whatever happened to be around him at a given time. glad he's out of the picture.. but if Pajo is truly like this as a grown adult, doesn't sound like the kind of personality that would mesh so well with corgan.

and keep in mind folks, jimmy backed billy up on all of those claims, and jimmy is generally a nice, honest person.

paranoid
10-23-2011, 02:48 AM
to me it's a combination of Billy's "paying to take your band-mates to the circus" & "go big or go home"
billy is a workaholic. the guy wants to do band stuf 80hours a week. it's in his blood.


Paz, Sweeney & Pajo were all musicians with their own careers beforehand. I'm sure once the ball was rolling they wanted to sit back and enjoy the lobster. Billy was/is probably used to having the control and dangling the carrot "if we don't jam 30hours this week, the band will FAIL", and d'arcy and james probably believed him (hell mike, nicole and jeff probably belive him too now).

Well, guess which band was a huge success and which band failed after a year. Maybe it was naive for James and Darcy to believe him, but uh.. they did pretty fucking well.

And there's no way sp3 is rehearsing as much as old SP did. no fucking way in hell. they'd sound a shit load better than they do now. I think BC has become lazier/tired/content in the past few years.

T&T
10-23-2011, 03:51 AM
Well, guess which band was a huge success and which band failed after a year. Maybe it was naive for James and Darcy to believe him, but uh.. they did pretty fucking well.
there's no real telling how it would have turned out.
but it's a psychosomatic mania.
with SP1 billy kept feeding the band since they're 'putting in the work' regardless of those hours of work being worthwhile or not — and with zwan he took his ball and went home because they didn't want to 'put in the hours and earn it' *** "now learn to play it while doing a hand stand" *** talk about projecting issues... :rolleyes:

teamneedle
10-23-2011, 03:54 AM
well, he said he plans on putting out a lot of the unreleased zwan stuff after all the SP1 album remasters are done-

we'll see if that happens

amoergosum
10-23-2011, 04:22 AM
well, he said he plans on putting out a lot of the unreleased zwan stuff after all the SP1 album remasters are done-

we'll see if that happens


>>>

Here are answers Billy gave on his fb page to questions about Zwan songs -

QUOTE
i own all the ZWan rights, so yes, i can play those songs say on an acoustic tour if i wanted. i just don't have the right to release on my own the Zwan stuff until around 2014

QUOTE
i get full rights back to Zwan/Future Embrace/Zeit in about 4 years Zwan would be first up. 60+ unreleased songs.
the 'plan' is to line up everything business wise so that EVERYTHING substantial and worthy of release would see the light of day. with old SP it of course revolves around EMI, the other Warner Brothers stuff is just a waiting game until the rights clear.

T&T
10-23-2011, 05:22 AM
PI & MCIS in 2012, adore & machina in 2013...
zwan in 2014 isn't that far away. I can wait

Woody
10-23-2011, 07:28 AM
Looking forward to this stuff coming to light. Zwan was Corgan at his most accessible and credible (and in a way Owata brass is pure Zwan) - I believe him when he says Pajo etc were dicks, but I wish he could've let go with the music side of things. They could've released the Glasshouse set played live in a studio with no production wizardry and the results would've been decent record. Stripped down rock was in fashion back then. I like MSOTS but the production was saccharine (see all the twiddley guitars added to Yeah!)

Listening to the Paris acoustic gig - damn, Friends As Lovers... :sexors:

amoergosum
10-23-2011, 08:11 AM
damn, Friends As Lovers

...listening to it right now....beautiful.

paranoid
10-23-2011, 10:22 AM
there's no real telling how it would have turned out.


What do you mean? we all know how everything turned out.

paranoid
10-23-2011, 10:25 AM
btw For Your Love is one of the best things he's written in the past decade.

New Art Rioter
10-23-2011, 11:46 AM
The drumming in that Friends As Lovers from France is amazing, so understated yet constantly interesting. Incredible groove and feel.

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amoergosum
10-24-2011, 08:04 AM
Come on....this has to be one of the funniest playback performances of all time.
The only one who kept it professional was Jimmy...:) >>>

...especially 2:50-3:51:

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Mo
10-24-2011, 08:58 AM
^ Seeing old man Bill smile at a Zwan gig is just weird.

amoergosum
10-24-2011, 09:15 AM
http://forums.netphoria.org/images/smilies/previous.gif

At 1:21 >>> Pajo couldn't resist

brendo_91
10-24-2011, 10:04 AM
Come on....this has to be one of the funniest playback performances of all time.
The only one who kept it professional was Jimmy...:) >>>

...especially 2:50-3:51:

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Related videos at the end: Three Auf Der Maur songs and a Jimmy Chamberlin Complex video.

DiscoJon
10-28-2011, 07:31 AM
I still maintain that the unreleased Zwan/Djali Zwan music is the best stuff that Corgan has ever done.

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amoergosum
06-20-2012, 02:51 PM
Great performance >>>
P.S.: Paz at 1:04

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amoergosum
06-20-2012, 03:28 PM
YouTube comment:

Your right fkthsh, he was on the verge of something huge with this band, like Ἴκαρος,( 'Icarus'), came too close to the sun. but, at least we got to feel the heat on our face for a time.

Cade McNown
06-20-2012, 11:47 PM
I always felt the the Zwan era is second only to the MCIS era. Such a massive amount of quality song output. I mean, I like SD better than MSOTS, but taking the live into account Zwan just rocked.

amoergosum
06-21-2012, 06:05 AM
Billy at 1:45...happy times >>>

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Radiofred
06-21-2012, 06:43 AM
I'm listening to MSOTS after reading this thread, It's not a good album. Haha. Past ten years of Corgan's output for me 4.Zeitgeist 3. MSOTS 2. The Future Embrace 1. Oceania

Kahlo
06-21-2012, 06:47 AM
I read that in a Top of the Pops style countdown.

Radiofred
06-21-2012, 06:52 AM
I read that in a Top of the Pops style countdown.

haha!

Radiofred
06-21-2012, 06:55 AM
Holy Shit! There is a secret song on MSOTS! Play Lyric then rewind it. (Sorry this only works on Cassette versions and Minidisc)

Spira|_
06-21-2012, 05:48 PM
Did they do cassette versions of msots? lol

amoergosum
08-19-2012, 05:42 PM
...haven't seen this before >>>

Jimmy at 5:10 :
"It's more like friends getting together to play as opposed to...you know... employees
going to work. Yeah, I mean...Pumpkins is a real job and this is a real pleasure.
You know...this is like a labor of love and that was just labor."

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Monet LSD
08-20-2012, 05:31 AM
^^ Yeah...never seen that. Some pretty great footage there. Seeing that stuff is always kinda depressing, with what it could have been. There was obviously a period of them being in the right place--everyone is very flattering and complimentary of one another in the interview. BC sounds very appreciative and respectful of the whole band. CRAZY how it ended up so badly.

Watching that confirms for the millionth time what a badass, monstrous, unique synergy that exists with BC and Jimmy Chamberlin playing together. Inexplicable...never seen anything like it.

amoergosum
08-20-2012, 07:09 AM
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amoergosum
08-20-2012, 05:10 PM
:) >>>

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MustardLies
08-20-2012, 05:20 PM
^^
The Entrance band is top-notch shit.

Paz, Derek and Guy all great.

bunny
08-20-2012, 07:27 PM
I blame the lobsters.

CrestfallenTear
08-21-2012, 03:28 AM
I remember seeing some zwan interview where Paz out of nothing starts doing some weird stretching. I think they are standing outside a building. any ideas?

amoergosum
08-21-2012, 04:47 AM
I just stumbled upon this interview >>>

Pajo’s route into the band was via Matt Sweeney, playing with him alongside fractured folk-vagrant Will Oldham. Sweeney spent the 1990s in rightfully-acclaimed indie-rockers Chavez, whose 1995 album ‘Ride The Fader’ – all angular twisted riffage and killer emotional gravitas – deserves rediscovery by the emocore generation. It was Sweeney who instigated Zwan’s birth, hooking up with his old friend Corgan shortly after the Pumpkins’ demise.

“I saw Billy at a party,” he remembers. “I respected him so much as a musician, moreover as a friend, and I’d missed him. I asked him what he’d been up to, and he said, ‘I’ve been trying to get out of the shadow of my past’. [laughs] And I was, like, ‘dude, whatever, don’t worry about it’. I think I said something like, ‘Weren’t you in Deep Purple?’!

“Playing with Will Oldham was pretty much my only performing outlet,” he remembers. “After Chavez, I’d gotten myself a day-job, wrote some songs, jammed with James from Chavez, hustled for quarters in bus-stations [chuckles].”

“You weren’t doing anything, were you?” teases Billy.

“Not by your fucked-up standards,” winks Matt, displaying the dry sardonic humour that so often has his bandmates in stitches.

But Corgan is exceptionally driven, and the Zwan era has marked one of his periodic bursts of intense productivity. The last time he was so prolific was the mid-90s, the Mellon Collie years. This time, ‘Mary, Star Of The Seas’ drew from a pool of over 120 songs.

“It’s because I masturbate less now, and take longer walks,” he deadpans. “If you masturbate less, you maintain your ‘chi’. You’re more creative.”

“Aren’t you supposed to masturbate three times a week, or something?” asks Paz, innocently.

“Yeah, for your prostrate health,” answers Billy, authoritatively. “I asked a doctor about it, men need to ejaculate every three days. This is Kerrang!, isn’t it? We can talk about this.”

Paz brandishes her right hand in my face. “Do you know why it’s better to masturbate with this hand?,” she asks, minxishly. “Because it’s my hand!”


“I remember when we were tossing around names, I saw that Billy had written down ‘Zwan’ and I thought, that’s a cool name,” says Matt. “I didn’t know what it meant, but it was evocative of certain 60s European bands that would just make up words so they wouldn’t have to have any preconceptions forced upon them. As it turns out, it’s also the name for a very popular canned lunch meat in Europe. [laughter]”

“My favourite is Russia,” offers Billy, “Where ‘Zwan’, phonetically, means the sound of a ringing bell. You know, the ‘diiiiiiing’. But this is all stuff we found out after, we didn’t know any of this. Like, my parents named me ‘Billy’, and I found out later what a cursed, cursed name that is.”

What’s wrong with the name ‘Billy’?

“Look up ‘William’ and you’ll see,” he smiles. “The original origin of the name William is a German word. And it’s so fucking appropriate that it’s stunning. It means ‘he who is without dick’,” he fibs.

Paz: “‘He who is without dick, sucks nothing’.” [laughter]

Billy: “See, it’s only our second interview of the day, and already we’re in full-on dick-joke mode.”

Paz: “You’ll notice how much I talk when we talk about penis.”


Source:
http://mycherieamour.blogspot.de/2005/03/zwan_09.html

amoergosum
08-21-2012, 04:55 AM
...and another interview >>>

AVC: Had Slint broken up by then?

DP: Yeah, I was doing Palace with Will, and I think exploring stuff like The Grateful Dead fit our whole mentality then. Grunge was huge at that point, and it seemed like me and my friends went the opposite route. We went deeper into folk music and country music and blues. When I was in Zwan, Billy got so mad at me when he found out I didn't know any Smashing Pumpkins songs. He would say, "You haven't heard '1979'?" But I didn't listen to any of that shit when it was breaking. Delta blues was way more exciting to me than the Pumpkins and that whiny voice. [Laughs.] I knew that one "rat in a cage" lyric, but that was the only Pumpkins I could recognize for the longest time. But, yeah, Billy would get really mad about that: "How can you not know 'Tonight, Tonight'?" [Laughs.]

AVC: But Zwan didn't even play Smashing Pumpkins songs, right?

DP: No! But that's one of the reasons I initially liked the guy—he was so arrogant, it cracked me up. He would constantly bring up the fact that he sold 25 million records, or that his hit song was played at the Super Bowl or something. It just made me laugh. You know that character Alan Partridge, the one Steve Coogan played? Billy reminds me of Alan Partridge if he'd made a hit record. But after a while, the joke wears off.

AVC: Do you think reverting to metal was also a reaction against your experience in Zwan?

DP: Yeah. Zwan really did put a sour taste in my mouth, as far as music goes. I don't want to talk too much shit about Billy, but… He really does know how to beat the sound and life out of music. I just wanted to do something that wasn't money-oriented or art-oriented. With Dead Child, we're not trying to make poetry. We just want to play a party and knock the windows out. That's the spirit that got me excited about music when I was younger. Hardcore has that same thing. Hardcore was the whole reason I got out of metal in the first place: It was so much faster, and it seemed so much more intelligent in a lot of ways. The band I was in before Slint, Maurice, was kind of a metal-hardcore crossover band. It seemed to me like a natural shift: First you listen to metal, then hardcore, then the whole world of music opens up.

Source:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/random-rules-dave-pajo-of-dead-child,2277/

Kahlo
08-21-2012, 05:21 AM
He really does know how to beat the sound and life out of music

Billy Corgan's recording career 2000-2012

He succeeds best when he strips it back. I can only hope that the Chicago Songs has this approach. What a shame that this was never released :(

Monet LSD
08-21-2012, 06:55 AM
you americans and your internet tales of woe. :rolleyes:

What exactly are these "tales" I told? Not seeing any tales here, just a random comment. Where are you getting "american"? That's kind of creepy.

amoergosum
08-21-2012, 02:39 PM
Have they ever played this song live actually?
>>>

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opera de nuit
08-21-2012, 03:01 PM
some interesting paz tidbits in those interviews... girl's got a one track mind?

IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-21-2012, 04:25 PM
Heartsong was the only good zwan song y'all.

amoergosum
08-21-2012, 04:29 PM
Heartsong was the only good zwan song y'all.

>>>

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IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-21-2012, 04:35 PM
>>>

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2006 wants its joke video response back. Hurry, asap!

Trotskilicious
08-21-2012, 04:45 PM
seriously that show isn't even on tv anymore

amoergosum
08-21-2012, 04:51 PM
...such a great performance >>>

P.S.: Camera guy checking out Paz >>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMQEZx9PqSo#t=6m58s


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IAMTHEDOORWAY
08-21-2012, 05:00 PM
Who dint check out paz, amirite

amoergosum
08-21-2012, 05:02 PM
Who dint check out paz, amirite

Just say thank you for the direct link...;)

amoergosum
10-19-2012, 02:21 AM
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soniclovenoize
10-19-2012, 09:36 AM
...such a great performance >>>

P.S.: Camera guy checking out Paz >>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMQEZx9PqSo#t=6m58s


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That has got to be one of the best songs Corgan ever wrote... If you look at at, there isn't really a defined chord progression, but just three interlocking guitar melodies (four if you count the bass), that when put together, form the chord progression itself. The whole thing, by design, is just loosely dancing around. It could easily just fall flat on it's face anytime, but the strength of the combination of all four of these melodies is what propels the song.

Just brilliant.

Also, Paz's short-shorts were brilliant too. :O

RenewRevive
10-19-2012, 10:03 AM
agreed. brilliant song, really looking forward to all the Zwan studio goodness seeing the light of day finally; that and Machina-era are the things i'm jonesing for the most.

houseofglass11
10-19-2012, 01:48 PM
They should have never gotten Paz in the band. They were fine as a four piece with Pajo on bass. I thought the three guitar thing sounded really messy and you could never hear what anyone was doing besides Billy anyways. Paz added the drama to the band that only a hot chick can. Everyone wanted to bone her. I remember the pics of her sitting on Billy's lap. He obviously got really pissed when she started banging Pajo and that's when things fell apart.

Rider
10-19-2012, 03:49 PM
They should have never gotten Paz in the band. They were fine as a four piece with Pajo on bass. I thought the three guitar thing sounded really messy and you could never hear what anyone was doing besides Billy anyways. Paz added the drama to the band that only a hot chick can. Everyone wanted to bone her. I remember the pics of her sitting on Billy's lap. He obviously got really pissed when she started banging Pajo and that's when things fell apart.

The three guitar thing with intertwining parts was the best thing about the band. It was some of the most interesting guitar work I have heard in decades.

There was nothing messy about it.

Funbags
10-19-2012, 10:58 PM
I still maintain that the brief period between their first show and the recording of MSotS was when Billy was the most healthy and balanced in his career. He gave sensible interviews. He wrote good songs. Somehow the band curtailed his overwhelming sense of self-importance--he sounded more down to earth than he ever did before or after. He was just a guy making good art, no bullshit attached. Seriously, for about a year there I thought he'd make it.

I agree totally. Things were different in the beginning when Pajo was on bass.

dustrock
10-19-2012, 11:16 PM
the era I am most looking forward to in terms of studio release.

still can't believe how f'd up the album was, in terms of song choice and production.

Funbags
10-20-2012, 09:23 AM
I remember reading a quote where Billy told Matt something about needing a commercial album first. Somewhere, Zwan went from a great underground band to "Billy's big comeback". He even complained about the rest of the members being "indie posers" who were too cool to be popular. Something tells me Pajo and Matt probably never signed up for that in the first place.

amoergosum
01-31-2013, 07:35 AM
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amoergosum
01-31-2013, 07:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w9MPppGyxo#t=7m33s

>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQJxY5EdxLA#t=0m47s


...;)

Raskolnikov
01-31-2013, 09:44 AM
This is the song - and version thereof - that blows all other unreleased Zwan stuff outta the water.

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Hadn't ever heard "The Girl with the Cruel Face". (Sounds like a U2 title for some reason.) I'm sure there's like 30 Zwan songs that are out there that I've never heard.

scottytheoneand
01-31-2013, 09:59 AM
He really does know how to beat the sound and life out of music

Billy Corgan's recording career 2000-2012



you could probably find comments from everyone who's been in any of his bands about how they rehearse everything half to death.

Nicole has made comments recently about how many hours they rehearse while they're on the road. Mike had tennis elbow last year, from either bad form or just a shit ton of hours on drums. Then there's the extent of the demo archive going back two decades.

I can imagine that approach to the music could suck all the fun out of it for the people around billy have little or no say in what the songs end up sounding like. Imagine sitting with him in the studio for 6 months just waiting to put down one bass track 10,000 times. if that's not your idea of being in a rock n roll band it could drive you crazy.. and that's before you take into consideration billy's ego

matcada
01-31-2013, 04:18 PM
Best "Jesus I" performance for me :

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i thought there were a video of this but can't find it anymore... Great performance of Corgan, his voice is just so intense on this one.

yeah and listening to it again, guitars and drums are fuckin' perfect here I think.

jimmy drevpile
02-01-2013, 03:47 PM
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Zerospaced
02-01-2013, 05:54 PM
http://youtu.be/5BBv1Rns-pI


This was always my favorite unreleased Zwan song

AveryLoren
02-02-2013, 10:56 AM
While this thread is active - has The Empty Sea turned up on any video boots? I've never been able to find one.

Rairun
02-02-2013, 11:04 AM
Back in the day there was a VCD of the very first show circulating, so yeah, there's a recording of The Empty Sea.

Grox
02-02-2013, 02:05 PM
RIVERS WE CAN'T CROSS, duh

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reprise85
02-02-2013, 08:40 PM
yeah that's an excellent song

best zwan off the top of my head:

riverview
rivers we can't cross
desire
love lies in ruin
a new poetry
cast a stone
for your love
revolve

Grox
02-02-2013, 10:03 PM
they only played rivers we can't cross 5 times, wtf

prolly cuz it sounds too much like muzzle, and billy didnt want to keep it simple. there aren't any pumpkins that are that repetitive lyrically and melodically, in the vocal, but the melody's so strong it works

Grox
02-02-2013, 10:04 PM
never look for rivers you can't cross, god what a great line

Morlock
02-03-2013, 04:40 PM
No love for "Never Give Up"?

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smashingjj
02-04-2013, 08:38 AM
I found a copy of their album on vinyl for €40. I haven't bought it because I don't really like it, but this is not a bad price is it? I believe it was new.

slunken
02-04-2013, 12:47 PM
Lol

Mo
02-04-2013, 12:56 PM
I found a copy of their album on vinyl for €40. I haven't bought it because I don't really like it, but this is not a bad price is it? I believe it was new.

I got mine for EUR 12,-

smashingjj
02-04-2013, 07:03 PM
By the way, does the vinyl version have the 'loud at any volume' trouble as well? Mastering vinyl is a completely different thing than mastering cd's.

Not that it would matter much because i find it to be one of the lesser shortcomings of that album.

smashingjj
02-04-2013, 07:03 PM
I got mine for EUR 12,-

when?

myosis
02-04-2013, 08:00 PM
i think it was made loud at any volume before the mastering process.
also aren't most vinyls released today mastered from the CD master?

slunken
02-04-2013, 10:25 PM
true true lol

Mo
02-05-2013, 07:42 AM
when?

2010, maybe?

And I like the sound of the vinyl better, but it's just as brick-walled.

RenewRevive
02-05-2013, 09:41 AM
No love for "Never Give Up"?

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great song.

Rocket Launcher
02-06-2013, 02:40 AM
there is one (used) copy on amazon germany for 32 euros + 3 euros shipping..still too much

i love chrysanthemum, permanence, never give up, cast a stone and sorrow

smashingjj
02-06-2013, 06:03 AM
are there studio recordings of the non-album tracks? i don't have anything. does someone have a link?

what's this? http://www.discogs.com/Zwan-Hideout-Compilation-I/release/4093204
and http://www.discogs.com/Zwan-Black-Swan/release/3281839

amoergosum
02-06-2013, 06:48 AM
what's this? http://www.discogs.com/Zwan-Hideout-Compilation-I/release/4093204

>>>
http://thepumpkins.net/music/227-music-zwan-hideout-compilation-1

dustrock
02-06-2013, 11:33 AM
Wasn't there a compilation called For Your Love?

That kicking around anywhere?

vajohna
02-07-2013, 01:19 AM
By the way, does the vinyl version have the 'loud at any volume' trouble as well?

The needle practically bounces on the wax. No shit. Hot as fuck.

Jesus Cambodia
02-08-2013, 09:14 AM
The Zwan breakup hurt way more than the SP break up did. The path to awesomeness was abandoned.

zbeast78
02-08-2013, 02:57 PM
The Zwan breakup hurt way more than the SP break up did. The path to awesomeness was abandoned.

im not sure about this comment, but i was disappointed when they broke up (since they were scheduled to release a djali zwan dvd/ album if memory serves). the MSOTS album was definitely a little better than some people here give it credit for, but i was overall disappointed when i first heard it. the first studio zwan i heard was Danger Boy from their website, and i remember thinking "if this is a sample of the sound/vibe of the upcoming album, then it's gonna be great". oh well, here's to hoping that he does actually go through the zwan vaults and release some of it someday.

amoergosum
02-08-2013, 03:58 PM
oh well, here's to hoping that he does actually go through the zwan vaults and release some of it someday.

>>>

Billy Corgan
‏@Billy

When the Warner Brothers rights come back/2014, i'll prepare re-issues of Zwan, my solo album, and Zeitgeist. Tons of unreleased stuff!

pavementtune
05-02-2013, 12:38 AM
When asked what he plans on doing with the 65 unreleased Zwan songs, Billy said he plans on putting them into a boxset in the near future, and added that he is also considering playing Zwan songs at Smashing Pumpkins shows.

http://www.gaterrocks.com/pages/sunfest2013.html?article=11247136

Ram27
05-02-2013, 05:02 AM
NO MIKE NO

NO

NO

STOP

reprise85
05-02-2013, 07:43 AM
zwan at sp shows would be great

i would have gone to the show last night if they were playing zwan songs

ExitInTheSky
05-02-2013, 09:33 AM
Why in the actual fuck would any of you want to see Mikey shit all over Zwan songs??? They already sound like a cover band, why make it worse??

Rider
05-02-2013, 09:44 AM
By the way, does the vinyl version have the 'loud at any volume' trouble as well? Mastering vinyl is a completely different thing than mastering cd's.

Not that it would matter much because i find it to be one of the lesser shortcomings of that album.

Same exact mastering. Rumor is it was originally going to be a Steve Hoffman mastered audiophile release, but that got canceled and they just rushed out some crap vinyl in Europe. I've always wanted to ask Steve about this but I doubt he would give me an answer.

amoergosum
05-02-2013, 10:42 AM
Same exact mastering. Rumor is it was originally going to be a Steve Hoffman mastered audiophile release, but that got canceled and they just rushed out some crap vinyl in Europe. I've always wanted to ask Steve about this but I doubt he would give me an answer.

Here's an example of how much better (more dynamic range) a Steve Hoffman mastered release sounds like >>>

Brickwalled CD vs Steve Hoffman vinyl >>>

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Rider
05-02-2013, 11:01 AM
I like to imagine that Steve got the studio masters, listened to them and heard how unsalvageable everything was because they clipped everything during recording and threw them back at Billy.

I think the reality is they just ran out of money and no one was buying vinyl at the time so they cut it.

T&T
05-02-2013, 11:43 AM
& why master for vinyl when you can cut mp3's direct!

amoergosum
02-12-2014, 03:28 AM
Love the energy here >>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9PWQpMrku8&feature=youtu.be&t=32m23s

amoergosum
02-12-2014, 05:31 AM
By the way...here's what Paz has been upto lately >>>

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Cool As Ice Cream
02-12-2014, 05:57 AM
wow check out that beard on dave

juliana
02-19-2014, 02:57 PM
Paz is a fantastic musician.

Trotskilicious
02-19-2014, 03:12 PM
frank's really looking good, comparitively

look at all that loose neckskin, good on you fat boy

amoergosum
04-23-2014, 12:21 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m966ztDY3h1rrh5vco1_400.jpghttp://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh32u2vMaJ1qgk4odo1_400.jpg

Woody
04-24-2014, 06:43 AM
Zwan is the band Billy should be in and the music he should be making these days.

The lo-fi True Poets and acoustic Djali Zwan is how he needed to sound back in 2003 to stay relevant. Not that there's anything wrong with Mary Star of the Sea, it has some great tracks, and some - like Lyric and El Sol really benefited from the dense, sugary production (whilst Yeah! was totally destroyed) It's just that 6 albums worth of great material was deserted and the album wasn't promoted in a fashionable way at a time QOTSA, White Stripes, stripped back rock was dominating.

It was the last time Corgan's voice sounded good on record and his lyrics were genuinely intelligent.

I hope we get a 6 disc set. Full Glasshouse show, Full Paris acoustic show, studio Djali & Hideout cuts, plus the album studio outtakes Cast A Stone, RWCC, New Poetry.

Woody
04-24-2014, 07:27 AM
This is the song - and version thereof - that blows all other unreleased Zwan stuff outta the water.

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That's a great alt version, but this is by far the best:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/E31B-vcMsf8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Rairun
04-24-2014, 02:56 PM
I hope we get a 6 disc set. Full Glasshouse show, Full Paris acoustic show, studio Djali & Hideout cuts, plus the album studio outtakes Cast A Stone, RWCC, New Poetry.

I don't understand why you'd want most of that. We already have the Glasshouse show in good quality, and the Paris concert is FM sourced. We have most of the Hideout shows too.

I'd love to have the first 4 Djali Zwan shows, but as far as I remember, the band didn't record them. The only recordings that exist are Quinto's, and they are kind of shitty.

For the Zwan release, we need demos and studio outtakes. The rest would be nice to have in a neat package, but I wouldn't buy the boxset just for it.

HereIsNoWhy4U
04-24-2014, 03:21 PM
3 bald guys in a band. That's pretty unusual.

amoergosum
04-24-2014, 03:44 PM
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<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/VMHN1otxlro" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Rairun
04-24-2014, 03:49 PM
^ Danger Boy is cool, but it was written by Sweeney + Pajo. Not sure if Billy has the rights to that? And a different (but similar) recording of the untitled song from Home Movie 5 later appeared on a Papa M EP.

Shallowed
04-24-2014, 04:32 PM
I don't understand why you'd want most of that. We already have the Glasshouse show in good quality, and the Paris concert is FM sourced. We have most of the Hideout shows too.

I'd love to have the first 4 Djali Zwan shows, but as far as I remember, the band didn't record them. The only recordings that exist are Quinto's, and they are kind of shitty.

For the Zwan release, we need demos and studio outtakes. The rest would be nice to have in a neat package, but I wouldn't buy the boxset just for it.

Most of the shows we're getting are already circulating as FM anyway, we're probably going to get those shows.

Woody
04-25-2014, 02:55 AM
I don't understand why you'd want most of that. We already have the Glasshouse show in good quality, and the Paris concert is FM sourced. We have most of the Hideout shows too.

I'd love to have the first 4 Djali Zwan shows, but as far as I remember, the band didn't record them. The only recordings that exist are Quinto's, and they are kind of shitty.

For the Zwan release, we need demos and studio outtakes. The rest would be nice to have in a neat package, but I wouldn't buy the boxset just for it.

The Glasshouse recording has terrible crowd noise. Chrysanthemum is nearly inaudible.
Unless there's a better quality version surfaced - I only have the boot that circulated at the time.

TAFH live album shows how superior a live recording can sound when professionally mixed/mastered. I picked Paris because it was full of alt versions and included later tracks (Friends as Lovers, Love Lies in Ruins etc) - although not a Certain Kind of Change - the acoustic version of that was better than the full band IIRC.

digitlnoize
04-26-2014, 05:16 PM
The Glasshouse recording has terrible crowd noise. Chrysanthemum is nearly inaudible.
Unless there's a better quality version surfaced - I only have the boot that circulated at the time.

TAFH live album shows how superior a live recording can sound when professionally mixed/mastered. I picked Paris because it was full of alt versions and included later tracks (Friends as Lovers, Love Lies in Ruins etc) - although not a Certain Kind of Change - the acoustic version of that was better than the full band IIRC.

Exactly what I was thinking. I would LOVE to hear a clean board mix of Glass House. The one we have (only one I know of at least) is alright, but waaaay too much ambient noise and pretty bass-y to boot. That was an amazing show though. I was really sad when most of those songs didn't make the Zwan record. I only hope studio versions of Chrysanthemum and Empty Sea actually exist and we'll get to hear them one day.

amoergosum
05-26-2014, 08:58 AM
Saturday Night Live >>>

"Settle Down":
http://vbox7.com/play:6bccd90b

"Lyric":
http://vbox7.com/play:bc18f407


Here's what David Pajo said about this appearance >>>

Did you ever see yourself on that TV commercial?

Oh no. What? No, I've never seen it. I think they had a DVD too that came with the CD where they interview each band member and show some footage. My parents played it for some friends, and I had to leave the room. Another time I saw part of "Saturday Night Live" where we were the musical guests, and I had to flip past it. I couldn't watch it. It will be interesting to watch 20 years from now, but right now it's too much.

Source:
http://archive.today/gQhIX#selection-503.0-507.425

SlingeroGuitaro
05-26-2014, 06:24 PM
did you guy know Paz's sister was in an episode of House?

Ram27
05-26-2014, 06:49 PM
no

Rairun
06-05-2014, 06:21 AM
http://instagram.com/p/o2qoeDE_nU/#

Pajo has just posted a Zwan picture, tagging Sweeney and Paz. Sweeney comments and says Jimmy's vibe is the best in this photo.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-05-2014, 06:55 AM
is that from one of their video clips?

Cool As Ice Cream
06-05-2014, 07:00 AM
lyric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwmUMySSNQc

in that picture, jimmy isn't holding a guitar and is wearing a jacket. in the video clip, it's the other way around. so the picture must've been taking while they weren't filming. possibly before some genius decided the drummer had to play guitar in the video clip.
awful video clip, by the way. i'm glad i turned the sound off at least.

http://i62.tinypic.com/i1xyz8.jpg

Ram27
06-05-2014, 09:11 AM
Jimmy's so short in real life.

Could've had him play this (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/8NzfVVMjsKQ/hqdefault.jpg) or something, it'd be slightly less stupid.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-05-2014, 09:27 AM
the parts where the band members are individually shown in close-up, "singing along", are the most cringey. for fuck's sake.

amoergosum
06-05-2014, 09:47 AM
http://instagram.com/p/o2qoeDE_nU/#

Pajo has just posted a Zwan picture, tagging Sweeney and Paz. Sweeney comments and says Jimmy's vibe is the best in this photo.


Here are the tags he used >>>

#tbt #zwan #video #2003 #fascism @theheavyjamz @fierylimbs

jimmy drevpile
06-05-2014, 03:02 PM
http://i62.tinypic.com/i1xyz8.jpg
http://operachic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c83e69e2017d3cdfb82b970c-320wi

bye june
06-05-2014, 03:10 PM
Pajo was in Slint if anyone here cares...they're a cool band I like them.

smashingjj
06-05-2014, 04:08 PM
get out of town

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2014, 01:36 AM
Pajo was in Slint if anyone here cares...they're a cool band I like them.

lol

Green Eyes
06-06-2014, 02:20 AM
Pajo was also in Zwan. They were never really cool.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2014, 02:20 AM
pajo was in everything

Shallowed
06-06-2014, 06:09 AM
Pajo was in me

bye june
06-06-2014, 10:28 AM
Jeez

amoergosum
01-27-2015, 04:44 PM
Jimmy retweeted this >>>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p>Happy 12th Birthday to Zwan's &quot;Mary Star of the Sea&quot;! <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy">@Billy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/jccomplex">@jccomplex</a> <a href="http://t.co/mZ9y3cfdAR">pic.twitter.com/mZ9y3cfdAR</a></p>&mdash; The SPfreaks Team (@SPfreaks) <a href="https://twitter.com/SPfreaks/status/560033239327178752">27. Januar 2015</a></blockquote>
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slunken
01-27-2015, 04:54 PM
Pajo was in Slint if anyone here cares...they're a cool band I like them.

still amazingly funny

BurtSampson
01-28-2015, 03:58 PM
Saturday Night Live >>>

"Settle Down":
http://vbox7.com/play:6bccd90b

"Lyric":
http://vbox7.com/play:bc18f407


Here's what David Pajo said about this appearance >>>



Source:
http://archive.today/gQhIX#selection-503.0-507.425

Why is he so butthurt

Mals Marola
01-28-2015, 05:21 PM
prob cos of all the butt-fucking they allegedly did in that band

slunken
01-28-2015, 05:43 PM
album should have been made from the following songs

ride a black swan
el sol
of a broken heart
settle down
friends as lovers
riverview
freedom ain't what...
mary star of the sea
desire
for your love
never give up
chrysanthemum/glorious

reprise85
01-28-2015, 06:11 PM
ride a black swan
for your love
desire
riverview
endless summer
love lies in ruin
the shining path
rivers we can't cross
my life and times
cast a stone
revolve
wasting time
freedom ain't what it used to be
mary star of the sea

reprise85
01-28-2015, 06:23 PM
Endless Summer
Rivers We Can't Cross
Ride a Black Swan
My Life and Times
For Your Love
Mary Star of the Sea
The Shining Path
Love Lies In Ruin
Riverview
Desire
Freedom Ain't What It Used To Be

final answer. im gonna listen to this mix right meow.

Ram27
01-28-2015, 06:28 PM
Chrysanthemum
Rivers We Can't Cross
Never Give Up
Spilled Milk
Certain Kind of Change
Friends as Lovers
How Things are Supposed to Be
To Wonder, To Suffer
Endless Summer
Ride a Black Swan
My Life and Times
Glorious
Mary Star

reprise85
01-28-2015, 07:54 PM
i really like revolve but i had a problem placing it in that mix

maybe after mary star?

i want wasting time too but same problem

reprise85
01-28-2015, 07:58 PM
Endless Summer
Rivers We Can't Cross
Ride a Black Swan
My Life and Times
For Your Love
Mary Star of the Sea
Wasting Time
The Shining Path
Love Lies In Ruin
Riverview
Desire
Revolve
Freedom Ain't What It Used To Be

maybe?

reprise85
01-28-2015, 08:04 PM
ok i think my life and times is out

Endless Summer
Rivers We Can't Cross
Ride a Black Swan
Revolve
For Your Love
Mary Star of the Sea
The Shining Path
Love Lies In Ruin
Riverview
Desire
Wasting Time
Freedom Ain't What It Used To Be

reprise85
01-28-2015, 08:05 PM
#process #lookinside #finaltracklisting

toase
01-28-2015, 08:22 PM
Will there ever be a download link to the mixes?

no? okay

reprise85
01-28-2015, 09:27 PM
it's a good song but i dont feel it would add anything to this album

ButtHash
01-28-2015, 09:38 PM
A disturbing lack of A New Poetry in here!
The guitar-y version, not the chord organ-y version, mind you.
To be fair, it doesn't really go anywhere. But that vibe doh....

I really hate Billy's whole "oh I dug this shirt up from 1993, that was a good year" bit here.
Like come on....you know he was buttoning that shirt up thinking "how could they not love me in a golden-era shirt?!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxRK0eared0

reprise85
01-28-2015, 09:42 PM
its a good song but doesnt make the cut

reprise85
01-28-2015, 09:44 PM
spfc says there are 72 zwan songs :O

getting down to 12 leaves a lot of gold out

ButtHash
01-28-2015, 09:47 PM
its a good song but doesnt make the cut

Fair enough. There's really not room for this type of song if you're including something like MSOTS, which is basically a better, more dynamic version of this.

Ram27
01-28-2015, 10:08 PM
A disturbing lack of A New Poetry in here!
The guitar-y version, not the chord organ-y version, mind you.
To be fair, it doesn't really go anywhere. But that vibe doh....

I really hate Billy's whole "oh I dug this shirt up from 1993, that was a good year" bit here.
Like come on....you know he was buttoning that shirt up thinking "how could they not love me in a golden-era shirt?!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxRK0eared0

New Poetry and For Your Love are two of BC's most boring songs

Agreed on the shirt thing. Like how on THE PANOPTICON NEXUS he always says how so and so guitar is from so and so track on Siamese Dream

JC kills it on To Wonder from that same show

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Grox
01-28-2015, 10:12 PM
Chrysanthemum has to be first. Rivers We Can't Cross has to be on there. MSOTS too. that is all. grox out

great poster
01-28-2015, 11:52 PM
zwan was a fantastic band, it's really a shame it was so short lived. billy plans on putting out all the unreleased songs someday, right?

bye june
01-29-2015, 12:05 AM
still amazingly funny

:beatup:

Butt Pope
01-29-2015, 01:22 AM
zwan was a fantastic band, it's really a shame it was so short lived. billy plans on putting out all the unreleased songs someday, right?

MTAE is made up of unreleased Zwan songs.

RenewRevive
01-29-2015, 12:50 PM
spfc says there are 72 zwan songs :O

getting down to 12 leaves a lot of gold out

why does it have to be 12? there's 14 tracks on MSotS

RenewRevive
01-29-2015, 12:54 PM
zwan was a fantastic band, it's really a shame it was so short lived. billy plans on putting out all the unreleased songs someday, right?

yeah. the rights have passed over to him, or will do very soon i forget. at which point he can do what he wants with them.

Grox
01-29-2015, 01:03 PM
they passed over last year

RenewRevive
01-29-2015, 01:40 PM
thanks, i thought they had.

reprise85
01-29-2015, 05:15 PM
why does it have to be 12? there's 14 tracks on MSotS

it doesnt, just seemed like a good starting point

lavrentis
01-30-2015, 02:14 AM
MSOTS was actually a very good album

Trotskilicious
01-30-2015, 02:16 AM
<img src="http://forums.netphoria.org/customavatars/avatar31196_1.gif">

morespsoon
01-30-2015, 02:29 AM
My most vivid Zwan memory:

On the Zwan forum before MSTOS came out there was a poll asking what songs should be on the album.

The song "Honestly" got ONE VOTE for even being on the album, total.

Then somehow it ended up as the first single. I always felt like that was one of the worst decisions ever but it was just signs of things to come apparently.

amoergosum
01-30-2015, 07:30 AM
My most vivid Zwan memory:

On the Zwan forum before MSTOS came out there was a poll asking what songs should be on the album.

The song "Honestly" got ONE VOTE for even being on the album, total.

Then somehow it ended up as the first single. I always felt like that was one of the worst decisions ever but it was just signs of things to come apparently.


This would have been a nice single >>>

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ninsp
01-30-2015, 10:07 AM
still sucks.

Well not Djali but Mary Star of the Sea was trash.

Woody
01-30-2015, 10:10 AM
My most vivid Zwan memory:

On the Zwan forum before MSTOS came out there was a poll asking what songs should be on the album.

The song "Honestly" got ONE VOTE for even being on the album, total.

Then somehow it ended up as the first single. I always felt like that was one of the worst decisions ever but it was just signs of things to come apparently.

Ummm... maybe my memory misleads me, but Honestly was unveiled as the first single. As in they never played it live and it didn't exist in fans minds until it was announced as the single. That was the first time anyone had heard it IIRC.

Funbags
01-30-2015, 10:59 AM
still sucks.

Well not Djali but Mary Star of the Sea was trash.

nah itz u

Rairun
01-30-2015, 11:08 AM
Ummm... maybe my memory misleads me, but Honestly was unveiled as the first single. As in they never played it live and it didn't exist in fans minds until it was announced as the single. That was the first time anyone had heard it IIRC.

This is correct.

But I can't remember what came first: the honestly single, or the leak of 15-second excerpts of each song. Still, even if the leak came first, we hadn't heard the whole song when Honestly was unveiled.

morespsoon
01-30-2015, 11:15 AM
This is correct.

But I can't remember what came first: the honestly single, or the leak of 15-second excerpts of each song. Still, even if the leak came first, we hadn't heard the whole song when Honestly was unveiled.

I remember it getting one vote in that poll. Maybe someone just knew the song's name and was just trolling?

Or maybe it was an insider voting?

So many possibilities...

pavementtune
01-30-2015, 11:23 AM
Certain Kind of Change


yes. any list without this song sucks!

https://ia600506.us.archive.org/8/items/zwan2003-02-08.shn/zwan2003-02-08t13.mp3

Rairun
01-30-2015, 11:29 AM
I'm gonna be honest, I never liked Pajo. My impression of him is that he's kind of pretentious and self-serving.

Sweeney and Paz I don't have anything much against, my impression though is that they didn't have the moral determination to stand up to whatever crap Pajo may have been involved in, and so participated in it as well. Like Paz and Pajo banging, and whatever drugs were going on. Though I'm sure Sweeney and Paz brought their own stuff with them too that Billy and Jimmy didn't like. But it just seems like maybe a lot of the negativity from Billy/Jimmy swirls around Pajo as the focal point. Just guessing.

Pajo is a nice guy. Pretty shy, but considerate. He was just sitting there with his laptop at the bar before the last Papa M show in Leeds, and he was super nice to anyone who approached him.

Paz went on tour with him after Zwan broke up. It's funny how "Paz and Pajo banging" is considered some sort of problem. Billy was jealous of James. Maybe he was jealous of Pajo too.

Pajo's still friends with Matt. He's still friends with Will Oldham (Matt plays with him from time to time as well). He still tours with his old band mates from Slint every now and then. He played with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Interpol, and no one's ever said a bad thing about the guy. Stuart from Mogwai is a really liberal, down-to-earth guy - and guess what - still talks to Pajo.

The problem is Billy. The problem has always has been Billy.

bunny
01-30-2015, 11:50 AM
The problem is Billy. The problem has always has been Billy.
this is pure speculation. billy's usually right about these things.

Rider
01-30-2015, 01:29 PM
this is pure speculation. billy's usually right about these things.

This might be the funniest post ever made on here.

The exploding boy
01-30-2015, 02:07 PM
nah itz u

iz

The exploding boy
01-30-2015, 02:08 PM
This might be the funniest post ever made on here.

yeah.....

Pajo may or may not be a dick.


Billy DEFINITELY is a dick.

deadaswarhol
01-30-2015, 02:51 PM
who tryna upload their "best versions of zwan live songs" mix?

dreams of glass
02-01-2015, 01:24 AM
yeah is there an agreed on fan comp of songs somewhere?

Funbags
02-01-2015, 01:26 AM
iz

hmmm hmm hmm

Woody
02-01-2015, 03:41 AM
You may be right. What about the drug accusations?

Who gives a shit? If Pajo uses drugs he seems to have them under control, unlike SP in their heyday. It's hypocritical and pathetic of Billy to throw this slur around, especially as they seem to have completely rotted his brain. Although, maybe if he did drugs again he'd start writing and singing better.

And yeah, I figured it was possible Billy could have been jealous of Pajo/Paz - though I also suspect that Billy had bad experiences with band members banging each other in the past and didn't want any of that potential drama like what happened with James/D'arcy early on.

Again, Pajo and Paz are free to do what the fuck they want. In behaving like a dictator, Billy ultimately shit the bed and I'd bet the real reason was plain, old jealous.

My impression of Pajo was always pretentiousness, but yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Certainly Billy might not have gelled well with him after a certain point in a band setting, due to their different backgrounds and approaches to the band experience.

Does Billy gel with anyone? Over a long enough timeline will Jeff still be there?

I'm really growing to loathe BC over time. I mean, he's an eccentric and challenging character, but the more you see his promo/interview cycle you get a sense of how distorted his perception of reality is. Strip away his legacy and he's like the male version of Courtney Love. Bullshit delusion, arrogance, manipulation, treating everyone else like shit.

Run To Me
02-01-2015, 09:58 PM
Dunno now to make the "I agrees with what woody said" arrows etc

But yeah, that's where I've been at after this latest run of interviews.

Then I see the video in this thread of bill throttling that Flying V on msots and jaw drops and I have to bust out laughing, like "fuck man, you've got me, you awful dick, you've got me."

Catherine Wheel
02-01-2015, 10:05 PM
I'm really growing to loathe BC over time. I mean, he's an eccentric and challenging character, but the more you see his promo/interview cycle you get a sense of how distorted his perception of reality is. Strip away his legacy and he's like the male version of Courtney Love. Bullshit delusion, arrogance, manipulation, treating everyone else like shit.

Well said. Exactly how I feel.

RenewRevive
02-02-2015, 07:46 AM
Dunno now to make the "I agrees with what woody said" arrows etc

^

this one? it's one of the smilies. doesn't show up in quick reply.

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 12:19 AM
This would have been a nice single >>>

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SfaeOnSHq2c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

this is so awesome

redbull
02-03-2015, 01:15 AM
yeah is there an agreed on fan comp of songs somewhere?

idk if it's been "agreed on" but i enjoy this one: http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=34424

new poetry is such a good fucking song

amoergosum
02-03-2015, 03:32 AM
this is so awesome

And that was their very first performance as a band...they sounded absolutely fantastic.

Funbags
02-03-2015, 04:52 AM
And that was their very first performance as a band...they sounded absolutely fantastic.

They could have stayed as a four-piece and had great success.

amoergosum
02-03-2015, 05:37 AM
Edit.

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 05:40 AM
They could have stayed as a four-piece and had great success.

Yeah, I noticed the chick wasn't there. right?

Funbags
02-03-2015, 07:29 AM
Yeah, I noticed the chick wasn't there. right?

Pajo was on bass for the whole first year.

RenewRevive
02-03-2015, 11:56 AM
idk if it's been "agreed on" but i enjoy this one: http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=34424

new poetry is such a good fucking song

that compilation is awesome. i got it off soniclovenoize, who i believe put it together and if so he did a mighty fine job.

vajohna
02-05-2015, 10:37 PM
My impression of Pajo was always pretentiousness, but yeah, maybe I'm wrong.

As opposed to the fat fuck whose pointlessly named his song cycle / steady decline into utter twaddle Teargarden by Kaleidyscope.

Rider
02-06-2015, 12:15 AM
As opposed to the fat fuck whose pointlessly named his song cycle / steady decline into utter twaddle Teargarden by Kaleidyscope.

Nahh that's not pretentious.

Pretentious is naming it that and forcing people to buy $200 worth of Tea from your tea shop to get a signed copy of it.

Seriously how did we get here people.

Woody
02-06-2015, 06:53 PM
Wasted but fucking... just listen to this. A New Poetry.

The live 10 minute version, with the hypnotic guitar hook, where he dips into the chorus 3 times and holds 'dem notes.

Whatchoo playin' at Corgi? Where is this song? Where is it?

See also: Cast A Stone, Chrysanthemum, Glorious, RWCC, My Life & Times blah blah

Shallowed has given me 3 reputation comments for 'Spreading'. What the fuck is 'spreading'? 'Preaching' son, 'preaching'.

Zwan era is a treasure trove full of LMGTWTY's. Give me my Zwan re-issue and end this, Billy. Give us Machina, give us Zwan, give us Metro and go home.

Ram27
02-06-2015, 08:48 PM
Love Lies in Ruin is really groovy and slow

The Empty Sea is awesome as well

Glorious sounds like Siva





I hope the Zwan reissue has soundboard 2001 shows

pavementtune
02-18-2015, 02:00 AM
any of you zwanians listened to other Zweeney projects?

I know I'm late, just got "Superwolf" (the album with Will Oldham) - it's amazingly good, really beautiful.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UcLTnApjl5k" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>




http://images.coveralia.com/audio/m/Matt_Sweeney_-_Bonnie_prince_Billy-Superwolf-Frontal.jpg

Rairun
02-18-2015, 03:37 AM
In 2011, they also released a great little 10" EP:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/H2Xp01o2JEE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe frameborder="0" width="0" height="0" src="//www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xi2qoc" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi2qoc_matt-sweeney-and-bonnie-prince-billy-life-in-muscle_music" target="_blank">Matt Sweeney and Bonnie Prince Billy - Life In...</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/fotomuse" target="_blank">fotomuse</a></i>

dreams of glass
04-14-2015, 01:46 AM
you can hear Billy bitching out Matt Sweeney for something

it sounds like he says

it didn't sound like you were singing the right lyrics

https://youtu.be/PWslJfUOmyM?t=3m

Cool As Ice Cream
04-14-2015, 02:11 AM
any of you zwanians listened to other Zweeney projects?

I know I'm late, just got "Superwolf" (the album with Will Oldham) - it's amazingly good, really beautiful.

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http://images.coveralia.com/audio/m/Matt_Sweeney_-_Bonnie_prince_Billy-Superwolf-Frontal.jpg

i love that album. i could listen to it all the time.

amoergosum
07-13-2015, 09:40 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/russ_loasby">@russ_loasby</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/jccomplex">@jccomplex</a> only a decent demo, I think</p>&mdash; William Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/status/620600891691810816">13. Juli 2015</a></blockquote>
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Ram27
07-13-2015, 10:03 AM
Arms_of_Sheep pls

pavementtune
07-13-2015, 11:07 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/DryInkCreative">@DryInkCreative</a> don't hold your breath on Zwan reissue. I'm probably gonna skip it and go straight to ChicagoKid post Machina</p>&mdash; William Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/status/620326180818944000">July 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I'd like to interpret that as "open season for unreleased Zwan material circulation" - but that's likely not meant that way...

on the bright side, that would make it 1-2 years to Chicago Kid?