http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtml

So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

lol

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Why won't he just leave the damn market alone and get to work creating jobs like the rest of us?

thread title is fox news headline

The problem here is taxes. Too much taxes and too much government debt.

how does the right hold an executive responsible for creating jobs when they want the government to slash spending

why can't these people ever be ideologically consistent? is it because so much of their base are the uneducated and the divinely inspired?

no because its an easy attack that works

how does the right hold an executive responsible for creating jobs when they want the government to slash spending

why can't these people ever be ideologically consistent? is it because so much of their base are the uneducated and the divinely inspired?

the right is concerned with private sector jobs, not public sector jobs

which it wants the government to help create without spending any money

Right, how does a president create private sector jobs? Taxes are <i>already low</I>, you can't keep slashing them to spur "growth" what happens when there's nothing left to slash. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

which it wants the government to help create without spending any money

it wants the government to create a positive atmosphere for businesses to create jobs

Right, how does a president create private sector jobs? Taxes are <i>already low</I>, you can't keep slashing them to spur "growth" what happens when there's nothing left to slash. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

it's not taxes, it's also regulations, red tape, and the constant threat of tax increases.

uh huh.

it's not taxes, it's also regulations, red tape, and the constant threat of tax increases.

you live in fantasy

you live in fantasy

no, i live in the real world, not the idealistic utopia you think we can create

http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-ceo-steve-wynn-conference-call-transcript-obama-2011-7
Wynn CEO Goes On Epic Anti-Obama Rant On Company Conference Call
Joe Weisenthal | Jul. 18, 2011, 6:51 PM | 547,776 | 577

Image: AP
Who doesn't love a good rant?
We certainly do, and as usual, Steve Wynn, the CEO of casino company Wynn Resorts, delivered on his company's quarterly conference call today.
Via Seeking Alpha, here's the crux of it:
"I believe in Las Vegas. I think its best days are ahead of it. But I'm afraid to do anything in the current political environment in the United States. You watch television and see what's going on on this debt ceiling issue. And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President and nothing's going to get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress. But everybody is so political, so focused on holding their job for the next year that the discussion in Washington is nauseating.
And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next 3 hours giving you examples of all of us in this market place that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our healthcare costs escalate, regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems, that keeps using that word redistribution. Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they are frightened of this administration.And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America.
You bet and until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it's not going to change. And those of us who have business opportunities and the capital to do it are going to sit in fear of the President. And a lot of people don't want to say that. They'll say, God, don't be attacking Obama. Well, this is Obama's deal and it's Obama that's responsible for this fear in America.
The guy keeps making speeches about redistribution and maybe we ought to do something to businesses that don't invest, their holding too much money. We haven't heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists. Everybody's afraid of the government and there's no need soft peddling it, it's the truth. It is the truth. And that's true of Democratic businessman and Republican businessman, and I am a Democratic businessman and I support Harry Reid. I support Democrats and Republicans. And I'm telling you that the business community in this company is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-ceo-steve-wynn-conference-call-transcript-obama-2011-7#ixzz1VhCk4de7

but sure, we all live in fantasy

it's not taxes, it's also regulations, red tape, and the constant threat of tax increases.

Nimrod's Son is right here. Think about how many more nurses we'd need to hire if we deregulate things like meat packaging. Sure the people employed to check their practices would lose their jobs - but they can get new jobs working as meat packers!

no, i live in the real world, not the idealistic utopia you think we can create

http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-ceo-steve-wynn-conference-call-transcript-obama-2011-7

but sure, we all live in fantasy

What on earth kind of argument is he making though? That people are afraid to invest money because of changes to regulations? That's just an excuse for being horrible at investing tbh. Good investors are making tons of money right now.

"People are afraid to invest in my business because of regulations!" Then your business model blows, guy.

He says Barack is making speeches about redistribution, but I think he's just making crap up he heard on Fox News, since I'd be pretty sure Barack's speech writers would never actually use that "socialist" term btw.

what he's assuming is that higher taxes for the upper echelons of investment means redistribution when really we can't even afford to do that right now, higher taxes for the upper echelons just means they'd be paying back the government for all the special treatment they've received over the last 30 years in an effort to pay down the debt which is threatening investors, sure. I think that's the big hypocritical statement, that these guys shouldn't pay higher taxes to pay down the deficit when the reason why the debt is so out of control is primarily because of the benefits they've received. it's the michelle bachman "I hate government handouts!" as she signs off on a federal grant on a much larger scale.

Also poor people who aren't CEOs can't buy congressmen.

Or make bids on government jobs.

no, i live in the real world, not the idealistic utopia you think we can create

http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-ceo-steve-wynn-conference-call-transcript-obama-2011-7

but sure, we all live in fantasy

still not sure why you think some guy reciting frank luntz talking points on a conference call proves the administration is hindering job creation.

Nimrod's Son is right here. Think about how many more nurses we'd need to hire if we deregulate things like meat packaging. Sure the people employed to check their practices would lose their jobs - but they can get new jobs working as meat packers!

Why does everything have to be so hyperbolic with you people? I'm talking about excessive regulation, not basics like meat safety.

still not sure why you think some guy reciting frank luntz talking points on a conference call proves the administration is hindering job creation.

perhaps because that's exactly an example of a guy who can create jobs, and he was a big obama supporter in 2008

What on earth kind of argument is he making though? That people are afraid to invest money because of changes to regulations? That's just an excuse for being horrible at investing tbh. Good investors are making tons of money right now.

"People are afraid to invest in my business because of regulations!" Then your business model blows, guy.

He says Barack is making speeches about redistribution, but I think he's just making crap up he heard on Fox News, since I'd be pretty sure Barack's speech writers would never actually use that "socialist" term btw.

We're not talking about investments in the market, we're talking about investments in new businesses and growth of existing ones.

also it's kind of funny that everyone is trying to paint Wynn as a FOX News drone now that he made the mortal sin of confronting The Obama.

perhaps because that's exactly an example of a guy who can create jobs, and he was a big obama supporter in 2008

i don't see what that has to do with anything. dick morris was a clinton supporter look at him now

the only people living in a fantasy world are those who think obama's policies are hindering job creation. they go on and on but can't cite a single thing or they bring up regulations put into place like 20 or 30 years ago

originally posted by Trotskilicious:

I think that's the big hypocritical statement, that these guys shouldn't pay higher taxes to pay down the deficit when the reason why the debt is so out of control is primarily because of the benefits they've received.

"benefits they've received" really means Theft they've gotten away with when speaking of the Trillions of stimulus money to the banks. Until there are indictments and prosecution of the criminal class meaning pol's and private citizens alike, higher taxes is political theater for the bourgeois.

Hahahaha, aaahhh... When you're right, you're right. Although I don't think the nation's wealthiest people sit around one humongous livingroom together, smoking their pipes, trying to figure out ways to lower their own taxes so they can have more cash to stuff into their cigars.

Although I don't think the nation's wealthiest people sit around one humongous livingroom together, smoking their pipes, trying to figure out ways to lower their own taxes so they can have more cash to stuff into their cigars.

if the shoe fits

30 year low taxes and record corporate profits right now and people have the nerve blame the government for holding back the private sector? jesus.

i know, right?

it's like people like sppunk and nimrod don't live in reality, just the insulated right wing world that they've created for themselves

and obama concern is on neptune. don't tax the rich because they stole all our tax money!!!!

the right is concerned with private sector jobs, not public sector jobs

like in Texas? Where Rick Perry created 112,000 gub'ment jobs?

like in Texas? Where Rick Perry created 112,000 gub'ment jobs?

I'm no Rick Perry supporter and chances are slim I'd vote for the guy, but weren't most of those jobs created in the energy industry because of the huge boom of tax revenues from oil and natural gas companies located in Texas as oil profits hit high marks? In addition, wasn't a bunch of that from Federal stimulus money for federally mandated programs?

Adding new federal workers in Texas is, I don't think, on the governor. I'm sure you read something different on your Daily Kos or wherever you get your news.

here's a fair picture:

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2011/08/16/how-rick-perry-created-jobs-in-texas

if you entice businesses from other states to move to your state and have a steady inflow of immigrants and workers, then sure, your economy will do better than other states.

but it's not exactly a strategy that translates into a national one.

by the way texas got a huge chunk of stimulus money perry said he didn't want

if you entice businesses from other states to move to your state and have a steady inflow of immigrants and workers, then sure, your economy will do better than other states.

but it's not exactly a strategy that translates into a national one.

partly it is. we're losing a ton of businesses overseas due to tax and regulatory oppression on businesses. we need to find a balance that will allow more companies to stay and thus we can actually increase revenue while lowering rates

by the way texas got a huge chunk of stimulus money perry said he didn't want

on this I agree with Perry. He didn't want any money, but he didn't want ANYONE to get any money. once the money was going to be spent anyway, he would be doing a disservice to his state not to accept it.

Oh wow, so you're totally pro dumb posturing.

Whodathunkit.

I'm no Rick Perry supporter and chances are slim I'd vote for the guy, but weren't most of those jobs created in the energy industry because of the huge boom of tax revenues from oil and natural gas companies located in Texas as oil profits hit high marks? In addition, wasn't a bunch of that from Federal stimulus money for federally mandated programs?

Adding new federal workers in Texas is, I don't think, on the governor. I'm sure you read something different on your Daily Kos or wherever you get your news.

revenue = taxes = socialism = obama

on this I agree with Perry. He didn't want any money, but he didn't want ANYONE to get any money. once the money was going to be spent anyway, he would be doing a disservice to his state not to accept it.



this is called "It's OK when Republicons do it."

partly it is. we're losing a ton of businesses overseas due to tax and regulatory oppression on businesses. we need to find a balance that will allow more companies to stay and thus we can actually increase revenue while lowering rates

Come on man. You know it's cheaper to pay a village of little brown kids in Asia or Africa 50 cents a day regardless of whatever the tax rate happens to be domestically at that point in time

revenue = taxes = socialism = obama

revenue can come from a lot of sources, and there are times you can lower taxes an increase revenues. SOUNDS CRAZY I KNOW

this is called "It's OK when Republicons do it."

what in the world does this have to do with republicans? also you keep spelling that word wrong

Come on man. You know it's cheaper to pay a village of little brown kids in Asia or Africa 50 cents a day regardless of whatever the tax rate happens to be domestically at that point in time

You also have to take into account quality of work, customer satisfaction, labeling, shipping, training, unstable governments, and quality of labor pool when dealing in third world nations.

originally posted by killtrocity:

Come on man. You know it's cheaper to pay a village of little brown kids in Asia or Africa 50 cents a day regardless of whatever the tax rate happens to be domestically at that point in time

That's why governments have these things called Tariffs. It raises the cost of imports and provides incentives for consumers to purchase domesticated items. We don't really do that anymore in the states (hence, the massive trade imbalance with China) and the blame lay in D.C. and the stupified allegiance to the "free-market" by various neo-cons over the years.

...that is free market economics

it wouldn't be so "mind bottling" if you weren't so fucking stupid about theory

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/09/01/122865/regulations-taxes-arent-killing.html?storylink=addthis#.TmI9vBd399E.twitte r

McClatchy reached out to owners of small businesses, many of them mom-and-pop operations, to find out whether they indeed were being choked by regulation, whether uncertainty over taxes affected their hiring plans and whether the health care overhaul was helping or hurting their business.

Their response was surprising.

None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.


Then there's Rip Daniels. He owns four businesses in Gulfport, Miss.: real estate ventures, a radio station and a boutique hotel/bistro. He said his problem wasn't regulation.

"Absolutely, positively not. What is choking my business is insurance. What's choking all business is insurance. You cannot go into business, any business — small business or large business — unless you can afford insurance," he told Biloxi's Sun Herald.

Since 2008, Daniels has opened one business and expanded another, hiring as many as 15 people thanks to lower labor costs and an abundance of overqualified job candidates. He credits the federal stimulus effort with helping to keep some smaller firms afloat.

"It allowed those folks to spend and have money and pay for the essentials," said Daniels, whose business pays corporate taxes. He grudgingly supports closing some business tax deductions to reduce the federal budget deficit.

"Who wants to pay more? I certainly don't. I want to pay my fair share, and I do," Daniels said, adding that he wouldn't resist loophole closures to cut deficits.


The simple fact is that most of the "regulations and taxes are killing business" talk comes from the 1-2% at the very top who believe it ideologically, not from any real metric .

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oh, that's beautiful

it's all reagan's fault.

I KNOW I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT THE ENTIRE TIME I POSTED A GRAPH OF THAT A MONTH AGO IT JUST WASN'T PURDY

I KNOW I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT THE ENTIRE TIME I POSTED A GRAPH OF THAT A MONTH AGO IT JUST WASN'T PURDY

i think everyone (lib dems anyway) has been saying that for a long time. it's just a nice reiteration.