I think Billy Corgan is still writing great music but he's secretly selling it to younger/hotter artists...

We know he's written songs for Hole and I read he wrote songs for Jessica Simpson?

It seems to me that it's the only theory that fits all the evidence...

Why would the "Pumpkins" spend time recording songs that even hard core fans hate? Maybe it's because only the B-sides and C-sides are getting released as SP tunes while the A-sides are secretly being sold to other artists?

A great artist like Billy Corgan doesn't completely fall off a cliff like he has...my theory fits all the pieces together, imho.

ever listened to wings?

My theory is that corgan has actually been studying psychology this whole time and his thesis is going to be a study in the depths of fanboy denial.

Congratulations, dude, you're going to help make him into "Dr. Billy Corgan"

lol

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I think Billy Corgan is still writing great music but he's secretly selling it to younger/hotter artists...

We know he's written songs for Hole and I read he wrote songs for Jessica Simpson?

It seems to me that it's the only theory that fits all the evidence...

Why would the "Pumpkins" spend time recording songs that even hard core fans hate? Maybe it's because only the B-sides and C-sides are getting released as SP tunes while the A-sides are secretly being sold to other artists?

A great artist like Billy Corgan doesn't completely fall off a cliff like he has...my theory fits all the pieces together, imho.

A good theory A) can be tested and B) makes predictions. Yours has neither; all it has is lots of fail. Would you consider the new Corgan-penned Hole & Jessica Simpson songs "great"?

ever listened to wings?

fits the theory
Macca sold all his good songs to cheap trick

nah, corgan is just a special case of talent loss

I can't believe your theory. If BC could in some way prevent his pride from being hurt, he would. The selling of his good songs does not seem like an option for him at this point.....I'm sure he would cling to them desperately. He's not much of a sharer. Just remember that he took ALL credit for songs that people loved when only partial credit would have gotten him the same recognition. This makes it very doubtful that he's hacked all his good shit to terrible "artists."

Man I dunno what to believe anymore.I honestly think that there are good songs on Zeitgeist,but its in DESPERATE DESPERATE need of a remix couse the mix it has is shit.And Teargarden so far hasnt wow'd me,and right now if I could describe it it would be one word
Meh

Wings? More like WINGER.


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Wings? More like WINGER.


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NO.BAD.NOT IN THE HOUSE.

are you saying band on the run sucks?

no i'm saying paul mccartney spent a decade getting progressively worse

he still wrote a few decent songs here and there, but the general trend was definitely downwards

i mean i don't like band on the run a whole heap but it's not vapid dreck like c moon or pipes of peace or no more lonely nights

I think Billy Corgan is still writing great music but he's secretly selling it to younger/hotter artists...
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We know he's written songs for Hole and I read he wrote songs for Jessica Simpson?
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Why would the "Pumpkins" spend time recording songs that even hard core fans hate? Maybe it's because only the B-sides and C-sides are getting released as SP tunes while the A-sides are secretly being sold to other artists?


What the hell man. That's a terrible "theory" which merely suggests that his "A-sides" would have to be even worse from a musical standpoint than the material he is releasing as SP! The implicit suggestion is that Hole, Jessica Simpson, etc. have some hot shit--that even WE would think is hot shit--all via Corgan influence. :noway: If those are his A-sides then he can go shove them up his bunghole.

Do you think his bunghole's bleached?

BC doesn't have a bunghole, the shit propels directly out of his mouth.

(but if he did, he would bleach it)

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remember this?

zzzzzzzz

yeah this song is wayyy better than anything he's written in the last 10 years. <hi fags>

i like it. <sup fucker>

nah, corgan is just a special case of talent loss

not really, there are a lot of artists who have put out great music as young people and then become awful. Corgan is hardly alone.

If this theory would be true, the situation is very sad...

my theory is that billy is old and empty.
he probably also shoots blanks.

I first started to feel that way about Billy when I saw those 40th birthday bash pictures of him in that Mr. Rogers cardigan surrounded by children and their moms.

corgan is an fat bald cat lady with STDs.

...which means he will next been seen in public riding a motorized cart around Walmart probably. (Just so he can afford to clutter his house with more shitty antiques of course.)

ozzy guys

ozzy

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remember this?

where was this from?

I wanted to see if anyone would point this out but there is actual evidence that my theory may be right. What about these songs:

Blessed Mother
Zen Baby
My Love is Winter
Samurai Mike

All we've got is poor quality bootlegs but all four of these songs get my blood pumping like classic Pumpkins songs!!!

All four of those would be A-sides compared to the teargarden songs.

There is evidence for my theory...

so i'm guessing this guy's like 46, single, lives with four cats.

Blessed Mother
Zen Baby
My Love is Winter
Samurai Mike

After listening to those four songs again... it's more than just the fact that they sound like classic Pumpkins...

Those four songs have classic rock-like structures, I don't even know the terminology except the bridges and solos... they're perfectly crafted like most Metallica songs...

This could be it! Maybe teargarden is Billy's St. Anger and we all know what came after that!

A return to glory baby, a return to glory. :smoke:

Maybe teargarden is Billy's St. Anger and we all know what came after that!

Maybe teargarden is Billy's St. Anger and we all know what came after that!

http://cineclubecovilha.com/image/screen/Metallica-Death-Magnetic.jpg

Blessed Mother
Zen Baby
My Love is Winter
Samurai Mike

After listening to those four songs again... it's more than just the fact that they sound like classic Pumpkins...

Those four songs have classic rock-like structures, I don't even know the terminology except the bridges and solos... they're perfectly crafted like most Metallica songs...

This could be it! Maybe teargarden is Billy's St. Anger and we all know what came after that!

A return to glory baby, a return to glory. :smoke:
Heres me sounding shitty again,but where can I listen to these?

http://cineclubecovilha.com/image/screen/Metallica-Death-Magnetic.jpg

i think you'll find i know a lot more about music than you do

i think you'll find i know a lot more about music than you do

What's your criticism of death magnetic?

Heres me sounding shitty again,but where can I listen to these?

They were posted on this board a while ago.

What's your criticism of death magnetic?

that it's irrelevant dinosaur rock that sticks to the already well established metallica franchise

is it better than st. anger? most things are. is it an amazing record? No.

that it's irrelevant dinosaur rock that sticks to the already well established metallica franchise

is it better than st. anger? most things are. is it an amazing record? No.

James Iha said ultimately music is about having fun. I thought that statement was profound when I first heard it's grown on me since, I think it's true with an exception here and there (there's an exception to every rule).

Death magnetic invigorates me, it's full of energy and meaning, and ultimately I think it's a very fun album.

If you think you know more about music than Iha I should just put you on ignore right now, give me a break. :D

the only purpose of music is enjoyment..."knowledge" may help you make music, but it doesn't make your opinion of what is good better than someone else's

James Iha said ultimately music is about having fun. I thought that statement was profound when I first heard it's grown on me since, I think it's true with an exception here and there (there's an exception to every rule).

Death magnetic invigorates me, it's full of energy and meaning, and ultimately I think it's a very fun album.

If you think you know more about music than Iha I should just put you on ignore right now, give me a break. :D

yes it's all subjective so why are you getting so personally insulted

where was this from?
it was a private performance for Taproot who later took the song and turned billy's b-side material into even shittier radio rock material.

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i had no idea he wrote like three songs for them. wtf.

it was a private performance for Taproot who later took the song and turned billy's b-side material into even shittier radio rock material.

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ah, thank you

i assume billy's going through a similar phase as neil young and bowie did through the 80's and 90's, in refusing to accept that they were putting out medicocre rubbish

yes it's all subjective so why are you getting so personally insulted

I was just saying that if you say you know more about music than Iha I should put you on ignore because it would be proof that you're deluded and egotistical beyond help, imho.

i assume billy's going through a similar phase as neil young and bowie did through the 80's and 90's, in refusing to accept that they were putting out medicocre rubbish

At least those guys still had hit songs during those years...The teargarden material couldn't even make the top 40 most requested songs of an all-Pumpkins radio station, hypothetically speaking.

Now, the four songs I mentioned before:

Blessed Mother
Zen Baby
My Love is Winter
Samurai Mike

Those are great songs that would be cherished by Pumpkins fans. :smoke:

No no and no!

The problem with is:
1) He is not in depression anymore, he is feeling 'normal' now <<< and all his songs are based on deep emotions and feelings, tristessa. So he failed while trying to do happy and casual songs about contry, social causes, politics etc
2) He leaves the drugs <<< I have a theory which defends the best friend of the music quality are the drugs. 99% of the groups lost their quality when their musicians stop doing drugs usually...
3) He is older and lost some of his energy, so he cant make things like XYU, Muzzle or Here is no why anymore.
4) He doesnt look depressed now but he looks like living a lack of identity

BONUS) I believe the only escape for Billy is he stops Smashing Pumpkins and (re)start another project, namely Starchildren imo.
Starchildren because nobody is expecting nothing from it, so less pressure. And Starchildren sound is freaky and psy so Billy could express his angry by there easly.
Note: Also Starchildren because Billy said will be something of Starchildren during 2010... :/

3) He is older and lost some of his energy, so he cant make things like XYU, Muzzle or Here is no why anymore.


Trent Reznor released "1,000,000" on "The Slip" when he was about the same age as Billy is now, I think that's Reznor's heaviest, most angry song ever.

Also, Ozzy Osbourne's new album has plenty of heavy, angry songs on it like "Let it die", "Soul sucker", and "Latimer's Mercy"... Ozzy's a 61 year old spoiled millionaire, Billy has no excuses!

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A good theory A) can be tested and B) makes predictions. Yours has neither; all it has is lots of fail. Would you consider the new Corgan-penned Hole & Jessica Simpson songs "great"?

I was just bumping myself here morespsoon because it seems you just ignored the obvious hole in your theory.

I was just bumping myself here morespsoon because it seems you just ignored the obvious hole in your theory.

This is a conspiracy theory and sometimes conspiracies are successful. When conspiracies are successful:

1. The actions of the conspirators remain a secret.

2. Although there may be lots of allegations and possibly investigations against the conspirators they all fail.

3. If the allegations and/or investigations were successful, the conspiracy wouldn't be successful.

My theory is that the Pumpkins are successfully in a conspiracy. Some people don't like conspiracy theories and if you're one of those people then just please ignore this thread because it's just a conspiracy theory, admittedly. I have no shame in discussing conspiracy theories because as many intelligent people have pointed out...

If it's not one person acting alone then it's probably a conspiracy.

I was just saying that if you say you know more about music than Iha I should put you on ignore because it would be proof that you're deluded and egotistical beyond help, imho.

uh, no dude. I'm pretty sure i've listened to more shit in the last year than you have in your life. I'm not saying you can't love Death Magnetic or whatever but you know, you're basically basing your opinions on a pretty limited knowledge base, that much is obvious.

in fact, i have a feeling i don't need to even go out of the mainstream to prove it.

PS I don't give a shit about James Iha.

This is a conspiracy theory and sometimes conspiracies are successful. When conspiracies are successful:

1. The actions of the conspirators remain a secret.

2. Although there may be lots of allegations and possibly investigations against the conspirators they all fail.

3. If the allegations and/or investigations were successful, the conspiracy wouldn't be successful.

My theory is that the Pumpkins are successfully in a conspiracy. Some people don't like conspiracy theories and if you're one of those people then just please ignore this thread because it's just a conspiracy theory, admittedly. I have no shame in discussing conspiracy theories because as many intelligent people have pointed out...

If it's not one person acting alone then it's probably a conspiracy.

and then there's stuff like this that leads me to believe that you're really fucking stupid, too.

I don't give a shit about James Iha.

I can't put you on ignore but you're on ignore in my heart. Seriously, you said musical taste is all subjective now you make the post you just made?

Please don't answer, thanks.

i don't really see the relationship there buddy. Of course, you tend to draw conclusions really poorly and really can't determine the relationship between things. There's your unfortunate response to soniclovenoise above which contests his point about what the definition of a "theory" with some babble about conspiracies.

I'd like to know what James Iha has to do with any of this.

Actually, I believe b0lly is in 'closet depression'. Meaning he actually feels depressed deep within but he's putting on a front pretending that he's on some kind of 'higher place' where he's 'happy' and shit. And then he makes claims where he doesn't care about the negative things said about him while in reality I know he really cares and I honestly believe he lurks here. Give it time, the son of a bitch will snap and go into a depressive, suicidal state and that's when he'll create the magic and only then.

I was just saying that if you say you know more about music than Iha I should put you on ignore because it would be proof that you're deluded and egotistical beyond help, imho.

you don't know the definition of theory or proof

This is a conspiracy theory and sometimes conspiracies are successful. When conspiracies are successful:

1. The actions of the conspirators remain a secret.

2. Although there may be lots of allegations and possibly investigations against the conspirators they all fail.

3. If the allegations and/or investigations were successful, the conspiracy wouldn't be successful.

So you're saying a successful conspiracy would be totally unknown? Then the fact that you are touting this conspiracy at all proves that it doesn't actually exist.

You should really spend less time thinking about a Corgan Conspiracy and more time on your math homework. You won't make it to 10th grade on bullets and butterflywings!

mmm buffalo sauce

So you're saying a successful conspiracy would be totally unknown?

Never said that at all. If you don't like conspiracy theories please get out of this thread, thanks.

If you don't want to defend your theories, don't post them online, thanks.

troll or not troll

cmon guys! bollys selling all his good songs to other people! thats why he sucks now. Yeeeahhhh!!!!!

fuck off morespoon

fuck off morespoon

That's constructive. :rolleyes: