http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzNN-pkR9M&feature=player_embedded#!

Intro is cool.

some really good things about this.

the drumming doesnt kill me

1:27-1:41 is pretty kick ass.

:banoonoo::chili:

tom tom sounds great! Corgan actually delivered.


Where is Cottonwood Symphony?

I've been hanging out on the o-site...haven't seen it yet?

Finally Corgan. Jesus its been awhile. Good work.

much better production

don't like the robo voice before the climax. But the rest is ace.

drum fill at 3:19-3:21 isn't half bad at all

The best of Teagarden's tracks thus far...

...but that doesn't say much, I guess.



Side-note: there were parts of that song where a trademark Corgan half-scream would have really raised the bar of the song's emotion. I miss his emotional yelling.

easily the best track from this project.

I hope he is starting to find his way with TGBK

Even the sha-lala's don't bug me.

amazing

I think Billy is kind of gauging comments on the songs as they are released and making adjustments accordingly for the next song, they are definitely getting much better

I think ep2 is better than ep1. With that being said, I hope each one gets better and better. ep3 should be interesting considering the whole band is recording on it.

WHERE CAN I GODDAMN DOWNLOAD THIS OKAY

I think Billy is kind of gauging comments on the songs as they are released and making adjustments accordingly for the next song, they are definitely getting much better

for real.. Song for a son has the worst vocals by far.. it's gotten a lot better. Even if billy is sheltered from the critiques I bet the people around him are reading our comments and making suggesting adjustments without being pushy about it.. for fear of a Corgan proclamation of immoral and suggestion of van purchases which are white..

wow. it's great. no complaints.

guys it's not great.

compared to wwmm, spangled, and the fellowship maybe. it's just alright. our expectations are so low now.

you'll think it's great when i suck your cock

i can't believe you guys like the drums in this. it sounds like someone slowed down the beat to settle down to try and figure it out

you'll like the drums when i suck your cock!

you'll suck my cock when i like the drums

i can't believe you guys like the drums in this. it sounds like someone slowed down the beat to settle down to try and figure it out

it's straightforward and simple. he didn't try to do any of his retarded fills that helped ruin the other songs.

drum fill at 3:19-3:21 isn't half bad at all

i also agree with this

good to know i can be objective about him

it's straightforward and simple. he didn't try to do any of his retarded fills that helped ruin the other songs.

i didn't know the aim of replacing jimmy chamberlin with mike was to nerf the kid but that's great, we're at drum machine level!

One listen in and there are no real cringeworthy parts that I noticed (maybe one "ohhh" if I listen close). It sounds new and fresh, different from things he's done before. Initially impression is pretty positive

guys it's not great.

compared to wwmm, spangled, and the fellowship maybe. it's just alright. our expectations are so low now.


I understand your point good sir but I disagree. I think it is a great song on it's own merits.

Cheers.

Nothing risky about it...but I like the vocal effect around 2:50. Musically average and lyrically dead.

this is boring.

..but for SP 2010 it's a masterpiece.

Oh well, consider our standards lowered when we get excited that we can get to the end of a song .

lol.

the only part i really liked was that random bit where it acted like it was going to pick up and get heavy for all of 20 seconds before it dropped back to the boring faux middle eastern sitar sound and is never touched on again in the song.

so basically if mike plays very simply we can tolerate him.. but if he tries to be a hero it ends up being a disaster.

All SP has to do now is play mediocre and we don't cringe. play it safe from here on out and we'll accept the new material.

not particularly fond of the plodding drum beat, but it's pretty good overall. Really wish Billy would remember to have space in his songs where he's not immediately singing; I think the intro and maybe some part in the middle could have used a break from the vocals.

the recent live version is 5x better in my mind though.

i didn't know the aim of replacing jimmy chamberlin with mike was to nerf the kid but that's great, we're at drum machine level!

in the current context, that should be exactly what the aim is, barring billy deciding to replace him.

Really glad Billy didn't mess this one up too much. I still prefer the original Broken Clock Society performance as far as arrangement goes, but the tweaks he made don't ruin anything for me.

Cottonwood Symphony is going to have to be pretty bad in order to keep EP 2 from being an unqualified thumbs up.

That's much better in comparison of the others TBK songs. I hope Corgan would stop to use those vocals ''la la la''. It kills me. He should use the melody of these ''la la la'' and put in on a guitar or something.

i like the layers, it's been a while

i hate this song

A solid 7/10 from me. Great vocal melody and the production has really surpassed my expectations - it genuinely sounds fantastic. They've pulled Billy's vocals back into the mix a bit and pushed the guitars - classic Pumpkins sound!! The song is still in keeping with the new direction Billy has taken with TGBK but by sorting the production out he's rekindled that "sound" and is really beginning to show these songs in their best light. 1.20 -> 1.44 put a big grin on my face. Really excited that the project seems to be going from strength to strength. IMO there has only been 2 duds so far (WWMM & Astral Planes), 2 good album tracks (Freak, The Fellowship) and 4 great tunes (Stitch In Time, Song For a Song, Spangled & TomTom). That's a reasonable ratio and if we get As Rome Burns, My Love Is Winter, Shadowland & Make It Happen & Owata (all of which I consider first class songs) with this new level of production Billy will have a really solid albums worth on his hands. Would be kinda cool if he saved As Rome Burns for an E.P that just had darker rockier songs on. Well done Billy and welcome back!

i've never gotten through a full listen of a stitch in time

Finally, something I'll listen to more than once or twice.

this sounds like madonna.

Oh Jesus, why do the songs always release while I'm in the middle of work. You guys are really making me want to hear this song.

some really good things about this.

the drumming doesnt kill me

i don't think it was meant to. :)

sounds like a decent track. yes, decent, internet fags.

edit - (not you, sam)

I actually like it. God help me, I actually like the damn song.

Just listened, that did not live up to the hype. It's too light-hearted and bland for my taste. Almost has a third eye blind feel or something you would hear on a soft rock station at the dentist office.

Just listened, that did not live up to the hype. It's too light-hearted and bland for my taste. Almost has a third eye blind feel or something you would hear on a soft rock station at the dentist office.

That's a good way of putting it. I don't see what is so pleasing about this track. It isn't ugly like WWMM or Spangled (and Freak imo), but there is nothing there that can make me feel anything or really send me into space the way old Pumpkins material does. It is horrible for me to be shitting all over my favorite band's current efforts...but the artistic quality is truly no longer there. And I am getting seriously pissed at these TERRIBLE lyrics. I know Billy was never a master with his lyrics, but at least he wrote more than 4 words per song. :mad:

That's a good way of putting it. I don't see what is so pleasing about this track. It isn't ugly like WWMM or Spangled (and Freak imo), but there is nothing there that can make me feel anything or really send me into space the way old Pumpkins material does. It is horrible for me to be shitting all over my favorite band's current efforts...but the artistic quality is truly no longer there. And I am getting seriously pissed at these TERRIBLE lyrics. I know Billy was never a master with his lyrics, but at least he wrote more than 4 words per song. :mad:

He should just go back to writing cryptic lyrics where no one knows what he's actually talking about. That was better.

He should just go back to writing cryptic lyrics where no one knows what he's actually talking about. That was better.

I agree. Those vague lyrics allowed the song to do it's job...to have each listener identify with it in their own way..plus the lack of these jesus undertones made it easier to appreciate the instruments as well. Oh my god..did Billy's guitar playing get worse? Has there been a solo on EP 2 at all?

Really glad Billy didn't mess this one up too much. I still prefer the original Broken Clock Society performance as far as arrangement goes, but the tweaks he made don't ruin anything for me.

Cottonwood Symphony is going to have to be pretty bad in order to keep EP 2 from being an unqualified thumbs up.

I went back and listened to that one. It feels really slow after listening to this one. I like this version a lot.

That's a good way of putting it. I don't see what is so pleasing about this track. It isn't ugly like WWMM or Spangled (and Freak imo), but there is nothing there that can make me feel anything or really send me into space the way old Pumpkins material does. It is horrible for me to be shitting all over my favorite band's current efforts...but the artistic quality is truly no longer there. And I am getting seriously pissed at these TERRIBLE lyrics. I know Billy was never a master with his lyrics, but at least he wrote more than 4 words per song. :mad:

Exactly. Objectively, this is a decent song. Nothing stomach churning or embarrassing--it's all perfectly listenable. And it actually does have a sound and production more in line with classic MCIS-era SP or so. But then again, it's also somewhat bland and pedestrian and seems to go nowhere when it could and sounds like it will. It's as though Corgan doesn't know how to musically orgasm any more. Fucker needs some Viagra!

I agree. Those vague lyrics allowed the song to do it's job...to have each listener identify with it in their own way..

Yea, to me they were always more words that conveyed images and helped construct the little milieu of each song, rather than try to convey some simplistic, straightforward message (even if metaphorical... 'morning man' or whatever) like some of these seem to do

plus the lack of these jesus undertones made it easier to appreciate the instruments as well.

I don't know, the positive lyrics in Zwan didn't kill the music, some of that stuff was great. I think it's the weird new agey thing on top that really kills some of it

Has there been a solo on EP 2 at all?

Wow. Good question

It's as though Corgan doesn't know how to musically orgasm any more. Fucker needs some Viagra!

:banging:

It sounds like he actually does try some kind of a solo thing around 1:28 but its almost defanged, kind of muddled down and not the orgasmic explosion of sp1 solos (think here is no why)

Then the build ~3:20 leads into "sha la la la" instead of a ruby-style climax...

I like the song, and the good news is that the blunting or whatever has definitely succeeded in taming the obnoxious vocals and mixing them with the other instruments better, the sh la la's really aren't bad here

on first listen this seems like the best one yet. production is more together, instruments sound good... I will never get used to how powerless this child sounds compared to Jimmy, but it's not bad here. Hopefully this upward trend in quality will continue.

this is a related video

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with every new release this album becomes all the more underwhelming. I actually didn't mind the first few songs except wwmm but now its just boring.

kinda lame song unfortunately

It is a little bit bland and the dynamics are less pronounced.

However, there are some glaring production problems over the past few years which have been fixed. Billy's vocals are much more blended, and seem to not be so "pokey" in the mix. The drums are nice and full and it's not as gimmicky as past songs.

the original Broken Clock Society performance

What is this?

this song is the only tolerable one in that it doesn't have any parts that made me immediately turn it off. completely forgettable and bland though. guy should just sell all his possessions and start a cat rescue.

What is this?

http://www.archive.org/details/bc2009-11-08.builtin.r09

I just listened to ep 2 in sequence and really the first three tracks are pretty good (especially Freak and Tom Tom) but as soon as Spangled comes on it is a little jarring...

wait so the songs are sequenced in order of release? why extend the crappiness of this project further??

I can't hate it, but i don't like it. Its not memorable in any way at all.


Since I don't think it sucks as much dick as paranoid does in real life, looks like Bill wins this round.

I was going by the track listing of the ep releases not by each song

Anyone got an audio rip of this, maybe mediafire or so? Shitty work blocks youtube...

I was going by the track listing of the ep releases not by each song

I'm pretty sure I meant NOT sequenced in order of release. Whoops :)

Anyone got an audio rip of this, maybe mediafire or so? Shitty work blocks youtube...

no

no

To the point. I should clarify - maybe a youtube audio rip?

Never mind you fuckers, did it myself.

http://rapidshare.com/files/431825907/Smashing_Pumpkins_-_Tom_Tom.mp3

Don't want to make another thread so - just wondering has anyone compiled a list of post sp1 material? like all original songs recorded and played live.

this is boring.

yeah. fellowship is the best one so far, i think. banal lyrics, par for the course, but i like the arrangement. shame it's so poorly mastered. super-compressed, really bad beating

this new one is bleh radio rock

Not bad at all, too many "ohs" and "sha la la's" for my liking but at least sounds polished and complete - production much, much better. This coupled with Freak at least shows Billy still has a knack for writing something catchy.

Then again, I'm probably just clutching at straws.

I miss emotional pumpkins songs... robo Billy isn't doing it for me

I am really digging this song. I played for a few friends and they all enjoy it also. I would not be embarrassed to play this in public.

Good news everyone, Billy has finally managed to put out something that could be classified as a "generically good pop rock song."

Good news everyone, Billy has finally managed to put out something that could be classified as a "generically good pop rock song."

Agreed - to be honest I dont even know what I want from him anymore.

Just a quiet acoustic record I think. Fucking Chicago songs style, stripped down stuff.

And good songs. That's quite important.

quite?

quite?

Quite quiet?

This bores me to...




zzzZZZZ

couldn't finish listening to the song. the sha la la's? fuck off already BILL. song sounds like a bland 80's pop song but slowed down because no one in the band knows how to play their instruments. vocals are faggy, lyrics are just bad. way to lose your mind BC

*cough*
http://www.mediafire.com/?43nb3mh2r15m3f9
320/44
*cough*

thanks Monte

lol monte get some cough drops

This song is a total rip off of another song but I can't place it.

can someone tell me if the mp3 makes it any better or should i just not bother?

*cough*
http://www.mediafire.com/?43nb3mh2r15m3f9
320/44
*cough*

Did you burn a copy of this while Billy was taking a shower?

I love Gonzo.

Did you burn a copy of this while Billy was taking a shower?

the guy who posted the youtube video sent it to me

This song is a total rip off of another song but I can't place it.

the main vocal line before the chorus reminds me of Ashes to Ashes by Bowie

my momma said/to get things done/you better not mess/with major tom

the guy who posted the youtube video sent it to me

can you share cottonwood symphony too please? ;)

i like it. lyrics are pretty good, chorus is emotive and engaging. okay we could've lost the shal-la-la stuff, obviously but overall a solid song.

here comes this boring song again

do do do do

I dig this. This song and the Fellowship to me are the best.

Billy is always harping that he doesn't want to "pack it in and be a hits band" and that fans always want him to play like it was 1994. I disagree - I just think people want him to create music that is up to the high musical standards he set at that time.

Not saying that any of the Teargarden stuff does that necessarily... but it's on a definite upward trend with these past two. This song is a keeper in my view.

da da da da

Why's it called Tom Tom?

So he can market the song to the Tom Tom GPS people for commercials, duh.

Why's it called Tom Tom?

large amount of meth

kahlo wants david bowie inside of him

but so it goes for foppish dandy kilt-prancing flaneurs

hearts <3

Behold Netphoria! All your ass kicking worked.

That being said, why wasn't this on Mary Star? I find it very Zwan.

who wouldn't want bowie inside them

i wouldn't

SIDA

ziggy stardust era exception

but extra SIDA

I don't get the euphoria though. Not like this is pure soul rock n roll.

After repeated listens, gotta say this is one of the best songs Billy has written in a while. Had Jimmy played drums on this, it would hold its own against SP1.

There. I said it.

Liar!

That being said, why wasn't this on Mary Star? I find it very Zwan.



im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it probably wasn't written 7+ plus years ago

the guy who posted the youtube video sent it to me

Kerry Brown?

I likecthe production. Song is okay. Kind of reminds me of something like apples & oran jes... Not bad but a song I would skip 50% of the time. Or maybe something off of tfe. Anyway- production=yay

one out of eight shit songs so far ain't bad.

oh wait-

hey dude. missed you.

Yep pretty obvious the leak is from Kerry. No one else in the world gives two fucks about SP these days so they have to leak their own material. How sad.

Great. Yet another Zwan b-side.

Along with The Fellowship, I like this song the most so far. Production's good, lyrics at some points cheesy (lalala AGAIN!), but bearable.

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very similar intro

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this is a good song

not a bad song actually...

Nice song, even with sha-la-las and gay oh's. I honestly like this.

it's no worse then the live version.

at least he's not ruining songs in the studio anymore.

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after two whole listens it didn't even occur to me they now have mikeByrns on drums.
that's a good thing.
and the shalalas aren't grating in anyway.
good job billy.

and the shalalas aren't grating in anyway.

At first I thought you wrote "and the shalalas aren't going away", which would also be a fair assessment.

It starts really promising and you instantly realise that the production seems different and just better, but with the first shalala you get a little uncomfortable and sure enough, they're coming back. a lot.

Verdict: I think we might have just left SP2 level and entered a territory that's somewhere between the better stuff on TFE and the ok Zwan stuff quality-wise. Still a long way to go. The dynamic shifts nowadays seem so forced and generic compared to earlier material. I think the new songs are also lacking interesting guitar parts, let alone wicked solos.

Bland and boring. No fucking edge. But at least it isn't a total cringefest.

c'mon some of you haters, its a good song.

feels like zwan material with an SP fuzz, but there are definitely some parts in the song when you can dig the guitar work... like the direction but i wish he would sing

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The Brothers Brothers

haha

So this is still Corgan-Byrne-Tulin right? The stuff with Schroeder and Fiorentino won't be until next ep?

they'll be out of the band by then.

my main problem with all of the teargarden songs so far, besides laughable moments by the amateur drumming, is that Billy seems to exhaust all of his ideas for the song within the first minute of the song, and the rest just sort of coasts along. By the 2 minute 30 second mark, I'm bored until the tune ends.

Exampe, SFAS, he puts the epic, climatic guitar solo in the first half, then for the other 4 minutes I get to hear him sing 'this is a song for a...' over and over again.

Freak, he sings a verse, chorus, verse, some variation, then spends the rest of the song singing the chorus a few times.

Both widow and astral have repetitive phrases repeated over and over, with one contrasting middle section.

All of the rest, again, everything you need to hear and know about the song is up front. the rest just coasts along until it's over.

Listen to WOCOAN, for example, a song widely seen as filler on MCIS. It starts out simple enough, with a fucking drum loop, and the song builds in intensity with dynamics and added layers as it moves forward. by the end of the tune. you're fully immersed, and by the end you feel like you've completed some sort of adventure on whatever world billy was trying to present in that song. And ALL of the songs on MCIS are like that. He doesn't write like that anymore.

8 songs into this new project and all he's proven is that he's now a completely boring song writer. Courtney Love was right, he's lost his mojo.

I couldn't think of what "WOCOAN" was for like 5 minutes

also why isn't there a rip of this? I know one of you gay fuckers has the cd

Courtney Love was right, he's lost his mojo.

even howard agreed and he used to be gay for corgan.

when did they both say that?

also why isn't there a rip of this? I know one of you gay fuckers has the cd

It's on what.cd right now.

when did they both say that?

the most recent c. love interview on stern.

Things that could have made Tom Tom even better than it is:


1. NO VIBRATO. He kills so much of his songs with trying to sing vibrato. Because he can't do it well, it just makes his voice seem shaky and weak, which is really annoying. Sounds like he's just trying too hard.

2. Take out the voice effect he uses during the middle part. It's not 1994.

I liked Tom Tom Blackward Clocks version but I felt the studio killed the song.
It's not bad at all but isnt brilliant definitly. Stills not good enought to show it to any non pumpkins fan.

The first time I heard the studio version of Tom Tom I didn't really like it. Then I listened to it again and appreciated it much more and thought it was actually a good song. Then I heard it again and again and I can't stand it anymore. The huge problem with these songs is the repetitive chorus. It's too catchy...I've had it stuck in my head for days and it's annoying and unwelcome. "HERE COMES THE MODERN MAN HE CAN CATCH YOU AS FAST AS HE CAN SHA LA LA LAAAAAAAAAA LA LA GAY" It's no good.

And for those who are wondering where the rip of the second EP is....It's here:

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Smashing-Pumpkins-Teargarden-By-Kaleidyscope-Volumes-1-amp-2/43586bbbced248199dbdbbe0df966fcbe55858687999

(The Smashing Pumpkins - Teargarden By Kaleidyscope Volumes 1 & 2)

equivalent of a pruned and flaccid penis

Is The Fellowship identical to the Vampire Diaries soundtrack version? (mix, etc)