View Full Version : Did anyone like Judas 0?


ilikeplanets
11-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Not the tracks that are ripped from TAFH of Machina II, but like 6 others or whatever that haven't appeared anywhere else. I thought that version of Saturnine was good but everything else....ehhhh. Also, I always feel that Eye should have been included.

NOW TALK ABOUT IT! =)

soniclovenoize
11-03-2010, 07:57 PM
No.

And they remixed Aeroplane and ruined the best drumsound of their career.

redbreegull
11-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Yes, there some really good songs on it.

Astur
11-03-2010, 08:03 PM
I love Judas 0, it's a bit hit and miss but anyways I think it makes a great compilation.

T&T
11-03-2010, 09:44 PM
conceptually it's a flop IMHO.
MCIS aleady had a B-sides compilation (TAFH)
Maahina already had an out-take compilation (MACHINA2)

so i really can't see where billy was going with Judas-O
i know Adore didn't have an out-take album, and it would have been nice if it did, yet an afterthought tagged onto the Greatest hits just made it lame.

Judas-O would have been win if it included more 'produced' Adore era songs like Blissed&Gone and Waiting
as much as I've always loved billy's acoustic intimate songs (soothe, stumbeline), My Mistake,Sparrow, Winterlong and Soot&Stars stay lost on me in the context of this compilation among the other songs.
the adore demos i always loved were Lover, Chewing Gum & Do You Close Your Eyes! sad they didn't make the cut.

would have been nice to ******* adore era LGTWTY, LostHighways Tear, and some Batman soundtrack stuff.

killtrocity
11-04-2010, 12:09 AM
LostHighways Tear

What is this?

slunken
11-04-2010, 12:20 AM
spfc.org : studio sessions : Summer 1996 - Soundworks (http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=34)

Shallowed
11-04-2010, 01:28 AM
I like it, but I wish it didn't have anything from TAFH.

Strangely enough, I got Judas O before TAFH, (that's not the strange part) and my favourite songs from TAFH ended up being those that are on Judas O.

Cool As Ice Cream
11-04-2010, 04:36 AM
Also, I always feel that Eye should have been included.

yeah, that would have been great. the same song on both cds of a two-cd release.
i wonder why they didn't.

vbshlofbvgos
11-04-2010, 05:45 AM
they did it just to complete their contract with virgin right? so it was just kind of like whatever

Kahlo
11-04-2010, 08:07 AM
Also, I always feel that Eye should have been included.


http://www.gifbin.com/bin/3161304605.gif

Rider
11-04-2010, 08:22 AM
Did we really need the edited version of Drown on there. Would have been nice to have the Full version on something other than the soundtrack.

RenewRevive
11-04-2010, 12:24 PM
Untitled should've been on Judas 0 instead of Rotten Apples. Because you Are and Rock On are awful. Sparrow and Saturnine are okay. My Mistake, Waiting, Winterlong, Soot and Stars, Blissed and Gone are all good.

they didn't need to put any of the TAFH songs on there, it should have been an artefact comprised of Adore and Machina era songs, like PI was for Gish and SD.

Shallowed
11-05-2010, 06:04 AM
You fucking CUNTS, Because You Are is the tits!

soniclovenoize
11-05-2010, 07:03 AM
You fucking CUNTS, Because You Are is the tits!

Yeah, these ones:

http://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/man-boobs.jpg

aztec litany service
11-05-2010, 09:20 AM
as everyone else says, the tafh/m2 stuff is redundant and stupid. tafh should've just been a 2 disc thing anyway [and while i'm at it, should've included methusela, speed, and towers of rabble].

judas 0 should've had more adore demos and at least the b-sides summer, czarina, once in a while, and speed kills

i never minded because you are but the rock on cover was crap, aside from the kick ass drums of course

duovamp
11-05-2010, 09:28 AM
I liked it. Stop bitching about what else it could have had.

Astur
11-05-2010, 10:10 AM
should've included methusela, speed, and towers of rabble


imagine that. hard cock about to explode

ilikeplanets
11-05-2010, 12:04 PM
I liked it. Stop bitching about what else it could have had.

No! You START bitching about it. :mad:

yoshinobu's revenge
11-05-2010, 01:07 PM
The songs were good (except Rock On) but as a compilation/concept it's terrible.

they didn't need to put any of the TAFH songs on there, it should have been an artefact comprised of Adore and Machina era songs, like PI was for Gish and SD.

Yep.

june_soma
11-05-2010, 01:11 PM
I liked it. I liked it A LOT. So there.

soniclovenoize
11-05-2010, 01:24 PM
Anything that wasn't TAFH and M2 was total shit. Judas was when I finially knew Corgan was a complete FAIL.

ilikeplanets
11-05-2010, 02:20 PM
Winterlong and Rock On are even more painful to listen to than TBK songs. 4REAL

vbshlofbvgos
11-06-2010, 03:02 AM
i happen to like winterlong

Rider
11-06-2010, 12:00 PM
as everyone else says, the tafh/m2 stuff is redundant and stupid. tafh should've just been a 2 disc thing anyway [and while i'm at it, should've included methusela, speed, and towers of rabble].

judas 0 should've had more adore demos and at least the b-sides summer, czarina, once in a while, and speed kills

i never minded because you are but the rock on cover was crap, aside from the kick ass drums of course


There is no studio Towers Of Rabble.

aomb1979
11-06-2010, 12:06 PM
There is no studio Towers Of Rabble.

"A home demo recorded in my bedroom the day it was written, this one was never supposed to come out. I never really liked it much, but a lot of my friends said it was one of their favorite songs. At the last minute it replaced a song called 'Towers of Rabble,' because I think I liked that one even less." -BC (Guitar World 1/97)

spfc.org : songlist : Blank (http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=15&song_type=1)

Astur
11-06-2010, 05:30 PM
its a shame, Blank sucks testicles really hard

Deric
11-06-2010, 07:39 PM
imagine that. hard cock about to explode

Yes.

Shallowed
11-06-2010, 08:24 PM
its a shame, Blank sucks testicles really hard

It really does. It sucks hard, frozen, dead testicles.

Rider
11-06-2010, 08:29 PM
"A home demo recorded in my bedroom the day it was written, this one was never supposed to come out. I never really liked it much, but a lot of my friends said it was one of their favorite songs. At the last minute it replaced a song called 'Towers of Rabble,' because I think I liked that one even less." -BC (Guitar World 1/97)

spfc.org : songlist : Blank (http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=15&song_type=1)



Where in that dose it even imply that Towers Of Rabble was recorded?

slunken
11-06-2010, 09:21 PM
oh come on

aomb1979
11-06-2010, 09:30 PM
Don't know why you're clinging to the idea Towers of Rabble wasn't recorded.
There's really no basis for that.

Rider
11-06-2010, 09:39 PM
Don't know why you're clinging to the idea Towers of Rabble wasn't recorded.
There's really no basis for that.

Because one of the Uber Leet (D4 maybe) personally asked Billy about studio Towers Of Rabble and was told by Billy that there is no studio Towers Of Rabble. This all came out about 7 years ago when someone started a hoax claiming they had a tape with Rabble on it.

slunken
11-06-2010, 10:15 PM
Billy lies.

aomb1979
11-06-2010, 10:19 PM
He also said TOASE was played live. So who knows really

Rider
11-06-2010, 10:20 PM
Billy lies.

True but which version of the story is a lie. Billy also claimed he rerecorded Adore with Jimmy and Jimmy claims it never happened.

By the way the way I tried finding the orignal hoax thread but have come up blank I can find 2 threads that reference it, one of them started by me:

http://forums.netphoria.org/trading-post-archive/54933-towers-rabble-studio-ver.html

and another one started a few months later, but I can't find the thread from the main board where all the conversation took place. I've looked at just about every thread Google has indexed with the word Rabble in it.

slunken
11-07-2010, 12:01 AM
the blamo thread doesn't exist anymore. sounds like a fun read.

also there's a slim chance that it was not recorded at the studio means it was, however, recorded at home. hard to say.

Rider
11-07-2010, 03:51 AM
the blamo thread doesn't exist anymore. sounds like a fun read.

also there's a slim chance that it was not recorded at the studio means it was, however, recorded at home. hard to say.

Nah the story was Billy killed it very early on or something. The band had worked it up in rehearsal, played it live then Billy killed it. I can't remember every little detail but it was pretty definitive that there was no other version of the song that was ever recorded.

When he says "replaced" we all assume demo for a demo. He could just as easily mean I was going to record a song called Towers Of Rabble but I hated it so I just used a demo of another song at the last minute.

Sonic Johnny
11-07-2010, 03:58 AM
Spinning it now cause of this thread.

Definitely not a bad comp at all. Lucky 13, Aeroplane, Believe, Here's To The Atom Bomb, Sparrow, Soot + Stars are all great tunes. Not much we couldn't have got elsewhere, but still a nice tracklist and a fun listen. Lucky 13 is the epitome of Jimmy being a total badass.

ilikeplanets
11-07-2010, 05:10 AM
Lucky 13?! More like Geek USA and Jellybelly :p

Jimmy's drumming is even more complex on Zeitgeist, honestly.

Sonic Johnny
11-07-2010, 06:26 AM
Cash Car (the good version)>Lucky 13>XYU (esp. Live)>Geek>Jellybelly

Astur
11-07-2010, 06:37 AM
Cash Car (the good version)>Lucky 13>XYU (esp. Live)>Geek>Jellybelly

God I had forgotten about Cash Car Star, fucking unstoppable powerhouse of a drummer

Ihaguitar
11-07-2010, 07:16 AM
Judas O'Riley

T&T
11-07-2010, 09:44 AM
"A home demo recorded in my bedroom the day it was written, this one was never supposed to come out. I never really liked it much, but a lot of my friends said it was one of their favorite songs. At the last minute it replaced a song called 'Towers of Rabble,' because I think I liked that one even less." -BC (Guitar World 1/97)

spfc.org : songlist : Blank (http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=15&song_type=1)

this just says that BLANK was recorded at home.

Rider
11-07-2010, 10:58 AM
this just says that BLANK was recorded at home.

Be careful apparently you are nuts if you actually read what it says and not what you want it to say.

Order 66
11-07-2010, 11:59 AM
judas was a good enough send off for SP 1. I hope there's another b-side album when/if teargarden is wrapped

IWishIWasBlank
11-16-2010, 11:42 PM
And what do you people have against Blank? Fuck off.

ilikeplanets
11-17-2010, 12:09 AM
Blank is not versatile enough. It seems to be lacking substance. I notice a void.

IWishIWasBlank
11-17-2010, 11:29 PM
That's why it's a TAFH cut, not an MCIS album cut.

T&T
11-18-2010, 12:04 AM
it's a **** song.
Blank is not versatile enough. It seems to be lacking substance. I notice a void.
this is clearly intentional imho.



edit:
i can't say the word: M E T A ??
hmm. i thought the only ******* word was I N C L U D E

almightyseancore
12-01-2010, 06:41 PM
billy was going with


i dont think billy had anything to do with it.

it was virgin trying to make a pisces iscariot 2, of all the post melloncollie stuff.

it made sense to me, and i really liked it. considering it was the only thing of value in rotton apples to me aside from some of the photos in the booklet.

a greatest hits isn't worth much to someone who already owns all their albums.

Cool As Ice Cream
12-02-2010, 01:34 AM
omg u got all their albums?

FoolofaTook
12-02-2010, 03:30 PM
I've got Mashed Potatoes!

slunken
12-16-2010, 05:23 AM
Billy confirmed he has a Towers of Rabble demo