HAIL ANTS!

Learned something new today, according to my local referendums we should give tax cuts veterans and big business, but we need to add a penny to our sales tax to pay for the roads we can no longer afford to maintain.

Now that's some good logic.

a lot of the veterans might need and deserve those

a lot of the veterans might need and deserve those

Not when we can't afford to pay for roads they don't The penny sales tax would cost them more anyway over the course of their lifetime.

Oh I also forgot we also need to increase the limit on class size because we can't pay for education anymore.

Not when we can't afford to pay for roads they don't

yes because the only way we can get money for roads is to make sure we don't give any to veterans

see thread title i guess. ugh.

yes because the only way we can get money for roads is to make sure we don't give any to veterans

You have to be the dumbest person I've ever encountered in my life.

*obligatory winston churchill quote re: thread subject*

You have to be the dumbest person I've ever encountered in my life.

I don't often agree with Eulogy, but he's right. You're an idiot.

You have to be the dumbest person I've ever encountered in my life.

probably not

I don't often agree with Eulogy, but he's right. You're an idiot.

Ahh another mouth breather.

democracy doesn't work because people are inherently stupid.

at the very least ignorant and selfish.

democracy doesn't work because people are inherently stupid.

at the very least ignorant and selfish.

QFT.

Ahh another mouth breather.

no really. explain that post.

"veterans might need or deserve help"

"NOT WHEN WE HAVE ROADS TO MAINTAIN!"

i mean i'm not one of the first people to get all misty eyed about the military but jesus christ.

no really. explain that post.

"veterans might need or deserve help"

"NOT WHEN WE HAVE ROADS TO MAINTAIN!"

Because the state and the county are bankrupt. There is not enough money coming in. They want to give breaks on veterans who buy new homes to encourage people to buy houses in a market that is flooded with unsold houses. They raised homeowners taxes twice this year.


Giving out tax breaks without providing an adequate alternate means to cover those tax breaks is idiotic. If they increase discounts on property taxes for certain people they will just be forced to raise the taxes again for other individuals.

Then you have the penny tax. A flat rate sales tax is really a tax on the poor, sure it's a penny but people who make smaller purchase will be paying a higher percentage. Also since the poor tend to make more purchases they will be paying the higher rate more often.

see there is more to economics and politics then simply "Oh that's nice let me help the veterans"

*obligatory winston churchill quote re: thread subject*

yeah my cousin did that on faecesbook. now my buddy is telling me that if everyone voted everything would work out great but fact is that if everyone did vote things would be even stupider.

Giving out tax breaks without providing an adequate alternate means to cover those tax breaks is idiotic.

Right

If they increase discounts on property taxes for certain people they will just be forced to raise the taxes again for other individuals.

Also right!

Then you have the penny tax. A flat rate sales tax is really a tax on the poor, sure it's a penny but people who make smaller purchase will be paying a higher percentage. Also since the poor tend to make more purchases they will be paying the higher rate more often.

They'd have to make a whole hell of a lot of purchases. Is it literally $0.01 on each purchase? Then I don't think anyone's really buttfucking the poor here.

see there is more to economics and politics then simple "Oh that's nice let me help the veterans"

Right.

The point is that you said veterans shouldn't get help because your county can't afford road maintenance or something. That is dumb. That's all.

we don't need a better govt system, we need a more informed public and/or media

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we don't need a better govt system, we need a more informed public and/or media

you don't see the any problems in the way the senate functions?

we don't need a better govt system, we need a more informed public and/or media

we need to eliminate <s>bribes</s> campaign contributions and lobby groups somehow.

but that's about $$$ so you can vote vote vote as much as you want you're just feeding the money machine. and it will never change until the corporations and banks fully control all aspects of government. I mean we'll still "vote" but oh wait that already happened n/m

sure the filibuster has broken our particular govt. and money has corrupted everything, i was talking about democracy in general

Right



Also right!



They'd have to make a whole hell of a lot of purchases. Is it literally $0.01 on each purchase? Then I don't think anyone's really buttfucking the poor here.



Right.


It's still a higher tax on the poor. If you need money raise sales tax a half a percent. That's fair.

The person paying $5000 grand for a big screen TV should not be paying a peony when someone going to 2-3 stores trying to save money on school supplies pays 3 cents.

i mean it's why democrats never do what they say because they owe someone somewhere and republicans can never actually have small government because they have too many buddies to keep happy

sure the filibuster has broken our particular govt. and money has corrupted everything, i was talking about democracy in general

oh the democracy doesn't work quote is from the simpsons and is not meant to be taken very seriously

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we don't need a better govt system, we need a more informed public and/or media

We need a population that learns how to vote, people either vote on party lines or protest vote.

It's still a higher tax on the poor. If you need money raise sales tax a half a percent. That's fair.

The person paying $5000 grand for a big screen TV should not be paying a peony when someone going to 2-3 stores trying to save money on school supplies pays 3 cents.

i don't disagree with this, but it sure is strange to get all butthurt about a penny sales tax (which will be, what, $10 per person per year at the absolute most?) on one hand and then on the other insist that veterans shouldn't get any help. dolt.

i for one welcome our new insect overlords

i don't disagree with this, but it sure is strange to get all butthurt about a penny sales tax (which will be, what, $10 per person per year at the absolute most?) on one hand and then on the other insist that veterans shouldn't get any help. dolt.

Do you realize how much help veterans already get in this country?

Benefits - Veterans Benefits Administration Home (http://www.vba.va.gov/VBA/)

oh jesus christ

Homeless Veterans Home (http://www1.va.gov/homeless/)

JESUS WHY ARE VETERANS TRYING TO SUCK US DRY?!

Veterans make up 1 in 4 homeless - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-07-homeless-veterans_N.htm)

from 2007 but whatever.

Veterans make up one in four homeless people in the United States, though they are only 11% of the general adult population,

Rider you're a fucking shithead that obviously doesn't know any veterans.

solidifying his candidacy for worst netphorian of all time

also, good 75,000th post

hooraayhs

dude trots we should join the military and go fight in afghanistan and then come back because LORD KNOWS them veterans have cushy ass awesome lives!

Homeless Veterans Home (http://www1.va.gov/homeless/)

JESUS WHY ARE VETERANS TRYING TO SUCK US DRY?!

So only homeless veterans deserve help?

We need to give special help to certain groups of people?

Plus how will giving a homeless veteran a tax break on property help a homeless veteran. They already get guaranteed mortgages.

You really love taking debate to lowest of levels.

Seriously why veterans, why not firefighters, police officers, teachers, why do we draw the line. How about we base taxes and relief and social services on need not some arbitrary standing you have in society based on profession.

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Rider you're a fucking shithead that obviously doesn't know any veterans.

Actually pretty much every member of my family is a vet.

arbitrary standing

also you've now described this supposed tax cut in three different ways.

"tax cuts veterans [sic]"

"tax cuts for veterans who buy homes"

"tax break on property"

i can't really understand where you're coming from if you can't describe what you're talking about.

also you've now described this supposed tax cut in three different ways.

"tax cuts veterans [sic]"

"tax cuts for veterans who buy homes"

"tax break on property"

i can't really understand where you're coming from if you can't describe what you're talking about.


In Florida when you buy a home we have a tax break called homesteader. Everyone is eligible for it and you get it as long as it is the first time you have ever bought a home in the state of Florida(there maybe some other rules but that's the basic fact of it). You get a break on taxes for the house for the entire time you own the house. For example the amount I am taxed on my house is $20,000 less then the actual appraised amount. They want to take this and add yet another bonus on top of it just for veterans. So as you can see it is both an incentive to buy property and a tax break on the property for the entire time you own it.

It's all a big shell game because the more they give out tax breaks, the more they raise the tax rate on property. My house is worth $20,000 less than it was last year but this year I'm paying like $300 more in property tax. I'm sure without tax cuts it's going to go up again next year and it will just go up that much with the tax cuts.

Proposing an amendment to the State Constitution to require the Legislature to provide an additional homestead property tax exemption by law for members of the United States military or military reserves, the United States Coast Guard or its reserves, or the Florida National Guard who receive a homestead exemption and were deployed in the previous year on active duty outside the continental United States, Alaska, or Hawaii in support of military operations designated by theLegislature. The exempt amount will be based upon the number of days in the previous calendar year that the person was deployed on active duty outside the continental United States, Alaska, or Hawaii in support of military operations designated by the Legislature. The amendment is scheduled to take effect January 1, 2011.

honestly they should be worrying more about veterans who have been out for a bit and whose lives are in total disarray, but i'm not seeing how this is something to get all riled up about either.

i mean yes. you will pay more in property taxes than a veteran who's been on active duty outside of the country within the past year.

cry me a river over it.

Actually pretty much every member of my family is a vet.

so how come you're so dumb about this? did they beat you up and call you a wuss or something

the measure would provide property tax credits for deployed military personnel. a full-year deployment would eliminate that year's tax bill; shorter deployments would result in a prorated obligation. if this were in place this year, it would cost about 13 million dollars.

the guy who started this said when he was training soldiers in afghanistan, alot of them were stressed about finances and mortgages, and he felt that if youre deployed, you shouldnt have to worry about that kind of stuff, youre already in stress. its hard to argue with that. its all about how much more rider has to pay in taxes though (youre complaining about a 300 dollar increase? thats like less than a dollar a day, times must be really tough for you)

so how come you're so dumb about this? did they beat you up and call you a wuss or something

No I just don't see why any group deserves a break on taxes based something so arbitrary.

Either don't have any breaks or base the breaks on finical need. I don't see why a vet should get a break when I know about a dozen teachers that the county laid off last year who are now facing foreclosure.

the measure would provide property tax credits for deployed military personnel. a full-year deployment would eliminate that year's tax bill; shorter deployments would result in a prorated obligation. if this were in place this year, it would cost about 13 million dollars.

the guy who started this said when he was training soldiers in afghanistan, alot of them were stressed about finances and mortgages, and he felt that if youre deployed, you shouldnt have to worry about that kind of stuff, youre already in stress. its hard to argue with that. its all about how much more rider has to pay in taxes though (youre complaining about a 300 dollar increase? thats like less than a dollar a day, times must be really tough for you)

A dollar a day on top of the other $3 a day.

No I just don't see why any group deserves a break on taxes based something so arbitrary.


Veteranship isn't really arbitrary. The sons of the poor fight the wars of the rich and anything we can wrestle from their grip for them is good in my book.

We need a population that learns how to vote, people either vote on party lines or protest vote.

Disagree complete. The right to vote, like all rights, should be exercised responsibility. Voting because you feel pressured is bad. Low turnout isn't necessarily bad, either. Only vote if your informed and capable of making a decision.

Disagree complete. The right to vote, like all rights, should be exercised responsibility. Voting because you feel pressured is bad. Low turnout isn't necessarily bad, either. Only vote if your informed and capable of making a decision.

Misread what I said. Most people who vote are not informed, they either vote a party line or vote to get rid of the current administration.

I would rather see a voting population that actually votes for candidates and not parties.

For example my Father votes straight democratic every election. This election I tried to point out to him that out current mayor position is actually more in line with my Fathers then the democrat, he still voted party lines.

"Democracy doesn't work" is the uninformed and overprivileged sentiment of the ignorant who do not understand what it is to live in an impoverished country, or a war torn country, or a country run by an actual despot. No matter how frustrated you are with the system, you live in a country where the government provides welfare for those out of work, where taxes are lower than anywhere else in the western world, where you are safe everyday from being killed in ethnic violence, where we have a nonviolent transfer of power every 2 years. You have the right to stand in the street and scream fuck Obama if you want to. Our newspapers aren't censored by the government. Fuck your feelings of entitlement. Democracy for all its flaws, is still a comparative triumph in the history of government.

it's actually a silly simpsons quote but your head is up your bum so of course you'd get all uppity and take it super cereal.

If you don't know where to vote: Your Fucking Polling Location (http://yourfuckingpollingplace.com)

if i skip over beck on my ipod solely because he is a scientologist, does this make me a bigot?

:(

i dunno it's discouraging to me too but i still listen

Election in November, election in November.
What? Again? This stupid country.

dude trots we should join the military and go fight in afghanistan and then come back because LORD KNOWS them veterans have cushy ass awesome lives!

I am morally outraged that you could die for my country as an openly homosexual American.

However, if you did, it would leave Mr. Walker all to me...

Lousy moochin' war widows...

oh lol i forgot about that

If we all joined the army we could try to be in the same platoon! How cool would that be?

DIBS ON LEADER!

we don't need a better govt system, we need a more informed public and/or media

yes, and yes.

however: ridding the media of corporate interest is simply a pipe dream, and too large a percentage of the general public just don't give a fuck. sort these factors out, and we're well on our way towards utopia!


/THE WORLD

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Lousy moochin' war widows...

yeah, i'd probably take you for everything you're worth.

I need a job.