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paranoid
10-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Denial runs deep:

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stripes
10-14-2010, 11:00 AM
lol, get out of the house

stripes
10-14-2010, 11:00 AM
do you have the rest of this video?

hnibos
10-14-2010, 11:10 AM
what an egotistical piece of shit.

Slurpee
10-14-2010, 11:18 AM
Zeitgeist sucks because I am afraid of it.

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 11:45 AM
luckily i cant see youtube videos

KManXC
10-14-2010, 12:00 PM
Crazy. Not the 'that's cool' kind of crazy either.

arCHI
10-14-2010, 12:20 PM
when he prefaced the song by saying it was sad, and that he knew his fans liked sad songs, i thought; "ooh, hey maybe this is some new song i haven't heard and will be semi decent because billy is feeling a real emotion."

it turned out to be spangled... :(

Astur
10-14-2010, 12:24 PM
porn fantasies

DaveKShape
10-14-2010, 12:33 PM
"i'm not a slave to my old songs" "i'm not stuck in the past."

stop playing today and bullet with butterfly wings live, you fucking dunce.

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 12:49 PM
he keeps mentioning that in literally EVERY INTERVIEW

he's gotta be losing it

Rider
10-14-2010, 12:58 PM
Got to the point where he says Gen X is scared of new music. How many time has Billy talked about how much he hates new music over the past year?

paranoid
10-14-2010, 01:13 PM
most of the gen Xers I know today are listening to tons of modern music.. they're just not listening to Billy's new music.

But of course, it's all about Billy.. right??

what a fuck nut.

CrabbMan
10-14-2010, 01:13 PM
I'm surprised the crowd didn't cheer more for the sad songs

hnibos
10-14-2010, 01:26 PM
i wish the crowd would have just booed him and thrown some plastic bottles on stage.

BillyWasMyFirst
10-14-2010, 01:53 PM
At least he's wearing those funky long sleeved shirts.

Spira|_
10-14-2010, 01:56 PM
Today I was digging into The Marked youtubes... Am I stuck in the past, Billy?

Rocket Launcher
10-14-2010, 02:31 PM
i wonder why billy ciritizses the "old" fans, instead of reflecting his actual stuff and finally realizes how irrelevant his music has become in comparison to stuff from his "87" to 00 output. I mean wtf is he thinking, of course he will always be measured by his SD and MCIS music. If he weren't totally up his own ass and loyal to his fans back in the days, he would try to find the reasons and work for it to change, but no, he doesn't. He thinks he is just doing the right thing. Sure proof of a stuck-up person. Maybe the right thing for him, but that's not all.

soniclovenoize
10-14-2010, 02:41 PM
Wait, didn't he do that big "fuck you" to the audience a few years back in Adelaide too?

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 02:41 PM
fucking hell - he did this rant 3 years ago at the Glasgow show. Guy needs to learn to deal with it and move on

Reyngel
10-14-2010, 02:49 PM
His whining about more people not liking his music is getting so, so fucking predictable and old. It's beyond annoying now... it's just sad.

A true artist rises above the people who don't care for their work... aspiring to make something even greater that will win them over. And if they fail, they accept it and move on to the next thing.

But Billy? All he does is whine, complain and flip his failures onto the shoulders of others.

To Billy, it's ALWAYS everyone else's fault, and never his own.

I've said it many times before...

...if he made good music, people would listen. It's a pretty simple formula.

He was fine to embrace people loving his work when he was the king of the world. But now that most fans don't care for where he's taken his music lately, suddenly our opinions of music are worthless and wrong.

You can't have it both ways, Billy, you fucking asshole.

And what ever happened to his pronouncement of wanting to be positive and loving, and ignoring the people who don't support him? Sounds to me like he's right back in the finger-pointing saddle once again. What a sad old man.

pale_princess
10-14-2010, 02:49 PM
can someone just photoshop bill's face on a parrot?

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 02:51 PM
resident ms paint expert soniclovenoize has been paged

ilikeplanets
10-14-2010, 02:52 PM
He really never should have done these tours....it's not good to bring so much baggage with you up on stage.

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 03:11 PM
don't talk about the backing band like that!!!!

Eulogy
10-14-2010, 03:14 PM
Yeah, Billy. We're terrified of the present because it includes Widow Wake My Mind.

Dumb asshole.

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 03:30 PM
hey this band is dangerous!

Sad you gen-x types can't cope with the experimentation of Spangled and the out-there sounds of The Fellowship

pussies

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 03:43 PM
What a sad old man.

ahaha

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 03:44 PM
but seriously, he got really old in a hurry

vbshlofbvgos
10-14-2010, 03:46 PM
he's just like that certain ex girlfriend where you look back on your life and say what the fuck was i thinking

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 03:56 PM
does anyone ever imagine Billy reading Netphoria and getting angry?

Maybe he uses us before a show to get psyched up.

stripes
10-14-2010, 03:56 PM
god fucking dammit i fucking hate billy corgan it's unhealthy

stripes
10-14-2010, 03:57 PM
sorry for blowing up guys, but i have never been this mad before

Rocket Launcher
10-14-2010, 03:58 PM
billy himself doesn't go to netphoria but he uses his o-board "friends" to report him what's gong on here...prolly he ignores 95+% of that also

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 04:00 PM
We should still charge him for the consultation service we provide

Ihaguitar
10-14-2010, 04:05 PM
What a fruitcake. We must have really got to him if that's all he can waffle on about these days.

Rider
10-14-2010, 04:43 PM
When I see Bob Dylan I'm sure he is going to stop in the middle of the show and complain that the damn beat generation is stuck in the past.

Patuquitos
10-14-2010, 04:43 PM
He has managed to make me feel alluded even when I like most of the new stuff. If I would've been there, I wouldn't have clapped after 'Spangled' as an act of protest. His ability to miss the target is going to lose the few of us who still like part of his music. :dammit:

The attitude of 'new' fans going 'woooooo!' to this act of disrespect towards the 'old' fans made me really angry too.

Jesus Christ.

Esty
10-14-2010, 05:07 PM
Don't see whats wrong the video. Some of you assholes are stuck in the past. Get over it.

bs1933
10-14-2010, 05:36 PM
Don't see whats wrong the video. Some of you assholes are stuck in the past. Get over it.

And some of you are just assholes.

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 05:42 PM
hey paranoid, can i have a direct link to the video.

im THIS close to not downloading anymore of teargarden, and just giving up any interest i have/had. maybe this will be the deciding factor

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 06:02 PM
And some of you are just assholes.

so how is that project about retouching for architectural photography going?

Reyngel
10-14-2010, 06:09 PM
Remember when Billy was saying that he was holding back the epic, brilliant songs on Teargarden until later? And then he started saying maybe now was time to release one or two to shut up the naysayers who claim he's lost it?


I'M CALLING YOUR BLUFF, BILLY. Prove it. Or shut the FUCK up with your complaining with our assessments of the quality of your "artistry."

SO WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE, ASSHOLE?

ilikeplanets
10-14-2010, 06:47 PM
Seriously....if you have to apologize for your current releases and say you're saving the better songs for "later", why release anything? You know it's sub par, you know everyone is going to hate it...just wait until you've collected your "brilliance" and release THAT when it's actually complete.

bs1933
10-14-2010, 06:52 PM
so how is that project about retouching for architectural photography going?

Great. Thanks. Still trying to figure out why you're posting about this though

Corganist
10-14-2010, 07:01 PM
He's not whining. He's clearly in good spirits, and clearly happy with the people who are choosing to go to the shows. This is not the typical disaffected Corgan lecture we've gotten on tours past. This was just a joke-y "fuck you" to fairweather fans. I don't see why it should have struck a nerve with anyone here.

It's really fucking amusing though that anyone here would think that Billy is really up on stage whining about them. Guess what kids? You're still paying attention to Billy enough to watch a youtube video of stage banter. You've bought, downloaded, or at least listened to everything the guy has done recently. You're reading Netphoria about SP in the year 2010. Billy's not lamenting that you've moved on or claiming that you're afraid of new music. You haven't gone anywhere, and you're listening to the new stuff. You flatter yourselves if you think that Billy is talking about you in these interviews and remarks. He's got you all exactly where he wants you.

Most of you doth protest too much when it comes to Billy these days. You're all a whole hell of a lot more invested in him than you let on.

Astur
10-14-2010, 07:11 PM
Yeah Bill is a big man with a masterplan woohoo uh oh

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 07:22 PM
corganist how old are you

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 07:26 PM
hopefully younger then he lets on

samuel redman
10-14-2010, 07:28 PM
You're all a whole hell of a lot more invested in him than you let on.

that is untrue

ilikeplanets
10-14-2010, 07:35 PM
Corganist, I'm not confirming or denying any of this...

jammin
10-14-2010, 07:51 PM
lol @ people stuck in the past when this guy decided to make a whole new band and call it the smashing pumpkins.

get real.

Eulogy
10-14-2010, 08:19 PM
He's not whining. He's clearly in good spirits, and clearly happy with the people who are choosing to go to the shows. This is not the typical disaffected Corgan lecture we've gotten on tours past. This was just a joke-y "fuck you" to fairweather fans. I don't see why it should have struck a nerve with anyone here.

Because he's implying that people don't like his new stuff because they are stuck in the past. NEWS FLASH: People don't like it because it sucks.

It's really fucking amusing though that anyone here would think that Billy is really up on stage whining about them.

So.... who is he whining about?


Guess what kids? You're still paying attention to Billy enough to watch a youtube video of stage banter. You've bought, downloaded, or at least listened to everything the guy has done recently. You're reading Netphoria about SP in the year 2010.

But he's not talking about us, right? And downloading songs is pretty easy these days, guy. And I think it's pretty well established that people don't post here because it's a Pumpkins board anymore. That ship sailed in like 2002.


Billy's not lamenting that you've moved on or claiming that you're afraid of new music. You haven't gone anywhere, and you're listening to the new stuff. You flatter yourselves if you think that Billy is talking about you in these interviews and remarks. He's got you all exactly where he wants you.

This just doesn't make any sense. Where does he want us? You think he's referring to the MCIS fans who jumped ship in 1998? I don't think so.

Most of you doth protest too much when it comes to Billy these days.

So you think we really like the new stuff?

You're all a whole hell of a lot more invested in him than you let on.

What?

God you're delusional.

duovamp
10-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Denial runs deep:

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Man he made that so awkward with the part about the chick not loving him... Soooo awkward.

Corganist
10-14-2010, 08:26 PM
corganist how old are you

Getting too old for this bullshit, that's for sure.

It's just so strange to me that people here can take Billy so seriously as to be offended by the things he says about losing casual fans. It's really kind of embarrassing. Netphoria used to be tough but fair when it came to Billy, but these days, most people here for all their "expert" opinion just don't get it anymore and don't care to even try. And it's not like Billy Corgan is deep and hard to figure out. It's been fifteen or twenty years of following him now for most of us and he hasn't changed a bit. You'd think people would be onto the way he works just a little bit by now. But nope, to this day very awkward joke or offhand bit of stage banter still stirs people up here into a frothing "What an asshole," chorus.

duovamp
10-14-2010, 08:34 PM
I bet you're 23.

duovamp
10-14-2010, 08:35 PM
What can you bench? How tall are you?

Corganist
10-14-2010, 08:42 PM
Because he's implying that people don't like his new stuff because they are stuck in the past. NEWS FLASH: People don't like it because it sucks.
He's mostly talking about people who have already jumped ship and won't even check out the new stuff or go to a show. People who won't even give him a chance in 2010 because of the lineup, or because he's not playing as a nostalgia act. He clearly doesn't give a fuck whether the people who are still paying attention like Spangled or not. His problem isn't with hardcore fans who want newer, better songs. You can say he takes hardcore fans for granted, and that might be accurate, but this idea that he's somehow including them all in this "stuck in the past" business is a little silly.

But he's not talking about us, right? And downloading songs is pretty easy these days, guy. And I think it's pretty well established that people don't post here because it's a Pumpkins board anymore. That ship sailed in like 2002.
Come on. If this was the general discussion board you'd have a point. We all know that people can come to Netphoria for years and never hear word one about SP if they really want to. But if you come over (and post) in this sub-forum, then it's pretty clear that you have a whole hell of a lot more interest in what Billy Corgan is up to these days than even the average Netphorian, much less the average music fan.

This just doesn't make any sense. Where does he want us? You think he's referring to the MCIS fans who jumped ship in 1998? I don't think so.
As long as you're still paying attention, then clearly he's doing something right.

So you think we really like the new stuff?
No, but I think most of you still have a lot more faith in his current and future abilities than you'll ever admit.

slunken
10-14-2010, 08:47 PM
I log on in hopes of the D'arcy sex tape leaking one day.

soniclovenoize
10-14-2010, 08:47 PM
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Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 08:56 PM
i bet corganist drinks out of cups.

like a <i>bitch</i>.

pale_princess
10-14-2010, 09:05 PM
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

nofix
10-14-2010, 10:13 PM
fuck corgan. your present music reminds me of a gash with dirty mucus. can't believe this polished turd whines about some young slut that doesnt love him, like anyone gives a fuck. they came for the songs you cock sucker, not your whore lip.

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 10:16 PM
he can't hear you guy

i mean obviously he can kind of because he cries about this stuff all the time but you know who cares let's just make jokes

Eulogy
10-14-2010, 10:47 PM
He's mostly talking about people who have already jumped ship and won't even check out the new stuff or go to a show.


So... the vast majority of the music listening public. I liked his output up to 2005, and to a lesser extent, through Zeitgeist. I am part of the exception. He hasn't been close to relevant since pre-Machina.


People who won't even give him a chance in 2010 because of the lineup, or because he's not playing as a nostalgia act.

That's gonna happen when you hold open auditions and hire a 20-year-old like the gimmicky, desperate hack he has become.

He clearly doesn't give a fuck whether the people who are still paying attention like Spangled or not. His problem isn't with hardcore fans who want newer, better songs. You can say he takes hardcore fans for granted, and that might be accurate, but this idea that he's somehow including them all in this "stuck in the past" business is a little silly.

lol. Bullshit. He's pissed that people are calling his new shit what it is. Shit.




Come on. If this was the general discussion board you'd have a point. We all know that people can come to Netphoria for years and never hear word one about SP if they really want to. But if you come over (and post) in this sub-forum, then it's pretty clear that you have a whole hell of a lot more interest in what Billy Corgan is up to these days than even the average Netphorian, much less the average music fan.

What? I am displaying a vested interest in him because I click over to this sub-forum? The guy hasn't gotten a dime from me since Jimmy's last show. And he's not ever going to get another one at this rate.


As long as you're still paying attention, then clearly he's doing something right.

Yes, Billy is the Ann Coulter of aging rock musicians. I'll give you that one I guess. Except Ann Coulter makes money.


No, but I think most of you still have a lot more faith in his current and future abilities than you'll ever admit.

I want to. It's waning rapidly.

Mablak
10-14-2010, 10:59 PM
It sounded like he was shitting all over the older people who were actually there. I wonder if he ever realizes that the only people he ever criticizes are his own fans.

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 11:20 PM
no he criticizes the public, the media, the record companies, everyone he's ever worked with, etc.

Slurpee
10-14-2010, 11:32 PM
Maybe he uses us before a show to get psyched up.

Nah he'd actually play some good songs if he was that angry.

Ihaguitar
10-15-2010, 02:20 AM
He was acting like a bitter has-been.

Astur
10-15-2010, 02:32 AM
He was acting like a frustrated cock mongler.

stumpycat
10-15-2010, 02:46 AM
Billy is sooo obviously butthurt at the insufficient amount of attention being paid to him. It's pathetic.

dean_r_koontz
10-15-2010, 03:57 AM
this is just going to get worse people.

dean_r_koontz
10-15-2010, 03:57 AM
he needs to go back to the pool house and calm down.

Starla
10-15-2010, 05:05 AM
if the current music sucks, maybe I'd RATHER live in the past.

memories_unwind
10-15-2010, 08:48 AM
Your new music is beyond insignificant - deal with it. What a prick...

Corganist
10-15-2010, 09:05 AM
So... the vast majority of the music listening public. I liked his output up to 2005, and to a lesser extent, through Zeitgeist. I am part of the exception. He hasn't been close to relevant since pre-Machina.
Everyone here is part of the exception. So why do people here think Billy is so concerned about the exceptions who have continued to follow him that he would rail on them on stage or in interviews instead of the majority of fans and former fans who have completely moved on?



That's gonna happen when you hold open auditions and hire a 20-year-old like the gimmicky, desperate hack he has become.
I don't see what the audition process or the age of the drummer has to do with people giving the music or the band a chance. The vast majority of reactions to the shows since adding Byrne have been overwhelmingly positive.


lol. Bullshit. He's pissed that people are calling his new shit what it is. Shit.
No. He's not. If he were, there wouldn't be all of this drama about playing old songs. He's pissed because he thinks that no one is giving the new stuff the time of day. It's not a deal where he's saying "I think my new stuff is awesome and my fans don't and they're wrong." He's saying "No one's giving the new stuff a chance because everyone's too concerned about hearing some song I wrote 15 years ago." Maybe there's a similar level of delusion there either way, but the distinction still matters.


What? I am displaying a vested interest in him because I click over to this sub-forum? The guy hasn't gotten a dime from me since Jimmy's last show. And he's not ever going to get another one at this rate.
He's giving away all his music for free. Investing your time is about as big a gesture of interest that you can make these days.

Trotskilicious
10-15-2010, 09:06 AM
What are you Mr. Balloonhands?

Kahlo
10-15-2010, 10:07 AM
how long until he turns a weapon on the audience other than Teargarden songs?

slunken
10-15-2010, 10:11 AM
AND IN A GRAND DISPLAY OF IRONY THE NEWS REPORTS WILL ALL FEATURE BWBW

Slurpee
10-15-2010, 10:24 AM
Everyone here is part of the exception. So why do people here think Billy is so concerned about the exceptions who have continued to follow him that he would rail on them on stage or in interviews instead of the majority of fans and former fans who have completely moved on?

It's true. Most of the people on here have smaller versions of the ego issue Billy has, and we can't imagine he'd talk about any fans but us.

whorebucket
10-15-2010, 10:36 AM
about the most recent show...

"A big factor was the crowd. The majority of people were around late 30’s, and they were just… standing there. Or sitting. A lot of them were sitting. Compared to Vampire Weekend, who I saw at the same venue earlier this year, the crowd was exuberant and young and excited to see their favourite band. Whereas this crowd seemed to be kind of going through the motions… no one was really singing, no one was really moving. Not even during Zero. I mean have they forgotten how to enjoy themselves?"

lol

"And Billy Corgan well… let me just say that he did not make a particularly good impression on me. About halfway through the show, they stopped playing and he just stood there talking for about 10 minutes. That is a LONG time for a concert.

And the things he was saying were just stupid. He introduced the band, and then himself as “Bogan Bill” or something. He then went on to thank himself for “Still giving a fuck” and for “Being in the greatest band in the world” among other things. He was very much enjoying hearing himself speak. And a number of times throughout his little monologue he yelled out “I’m on drugs!” as if that made up for his gratuitous ego-stroking. A few people grumbled and he gave the crowd the finger and said Fuck you guys. But then he said Melbourne was the best Australian crowd yet. And everyone cheered. And then he said “But none of you guys are dating the hottest chick in Australia” for some reason… I have no idea who he’s dating. Anyway people booed him for that."

Olive Juice You Too. (http://over-under-sideways-down.tumblr.com/post/1320343132/smashing-pumpkins-were)

samuel redman
10-15-2010, 10:49 AM
ahahah, awesome

Springbridge
10-15-2010, 10:58 AM
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

MonteLDS
10-15-2010, 11:16 AM
Got to the point where he says Gen X is scared of new music. How many time has Billy talked about how much he hates new music over the past year?

most of the time when he talked about new music it was about how it wasn't original. everyone trying to do the same thing.

paranoid
10-15-2010, 11:44 AM
He's not whining. He's clearly in good spirits, and clearly happy with the people who are choosing to go to the shows. This is not the typical disaffected Corgan lecture we've gotten on tours past. This was just a joke-y "fuck you" to fairweather fans. I don't see why it should have struck a nerve with anyone here.

It's really fucking amusing though that anyone here would think that Billy is really up on stage whining about them. Guess what kids? You're still paying attention to Billy enough to watch a youtube video of stage banter. You've bought, downloaded, or at least listened to everything the guy has done recently. You're reading Netphoria about SP in the year 2010. Billy's not lamenting that you've moved on or claiming that you're afraid of new music. You haven't gone anywhere, and you're listening to the new stuff. You flatter yourselves if you think that Billy is talking about you in these interviews and remarks. He's got you all exactly where he wants you.

Most of you doth protest too much when it comes to Billy these days. You're all a whole hell of a lot more invested in him than you let on.

Yeah, I'll readily admit that he is still entertaining as far as his whining rants go.. i'm captivated by what he has to say because watching his downward spiral into madness is the most entertaining thing he's done in the past 10 years.

Also, at least I'm not a faggot for him like you are.

bardy
10-15-2010, 11:52 AM
about the most recent show...

"A big factor was the crowd. The majority of people were around late 30’s, and they were just… standing there. Or sitting. A lot of them were sitting. Compared to Vampire Weekend, who I saw at the same venue earlier this year, the crowd was exuberant and young and excited to see their favourite band. Whereas this crowd seemed to be kind of going through the motions… no one was really singing, no one was really moving. Not even during Zero. I mean have they forgotten how to enjoy themselves?"

lol

"And Billy Corgan well… let me just say that he did not make a particularly good impression on me. About halfway through the show, they stopped playing and he just stood there talking for about 10 minutes. That is a LONG time for a concert.

And the things he was saying were just stupid. He introduced the band, and then himself as “Bogan Bill” or something. He then went on to thank himself for “Still giving a fuck” and for “Being in the greatest band in the world” among other things. He was very much enjoying hearing himself speak. And a number of times throughout his little monologue he yelled out “I’m on drugs!” as if that made up for his gratuitous ego-stroking. A few people grumbled and he gave the crowd the finger and said Fuck you guys. But then he said Melbourne was the best Australian crowd yet. And everyone cheered. And then he said “But none of you guys are dating the hottest chick in Australia” for some reason… I have no idea who he’s dating. Anyway people booed him for that."

Olive Juice You Too. (http://over-under-sideways-down.tumblr.com/post/1320343132/smashing-pumpkins-were)


wait, so Billy is back on drugs? This can only be a good thing.

paranoid
10-15-2010, 11:56 AM
most of the time when he talked about new music it was about how it wasn't original. everyone trying to do the same thing.

irony here is that his new music is some of the most unoriginal he's written in a long time.. a lot of it steals from *GASP* that PAST...

If you think sing oh oh oh oh oh oh over a dyer maker rip off riff is original, and a modern day progressive moment in music/art, you are in big fucking trouble.

Astur
10-15-2010, 12:22 PM
how long until he turns a weapon on the audience other than Teargarden songs?

that would be awesome

DaveKShape
10-15-2010, 12:23 PM
irony here is that his new music is some of the most unoriginal he's written in a long time.. a lot of it steals from *GASP* that PAST...

If you think sing oh oh oh oh oh oh over a dyer maker rip off riff is original, and a modern day progressive moment in music/art, you are in big fucking trouble.

please never compare those two songs ever again. that's like comparing sewer water to scotch.

Astur
10-15-2010, 12:27 PM
please never compare those two songs ever again. that's like comparing semen covered sewer water from the undergrounds of a Gay Carnival to scotch.

fixed

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 12:43 PM
Everyone here is part of the exception. So why do people here think Billy is so concerned about the exceptions who have continued to follow him that he would rail on them on stage or in interviews instead of the majority of fans and former fans who have completely moved on?

Because he wasn't doing stupid rants like this until he started releasing shitty shit and even the people who stayed on board for Adore/Machine/TFE jumped ship.



I don't see what the audition process or the age of the drummer has to do with people giving the music or the band a chance.

Because you're as big of a tool as Billy.

The vast majority of reactions to the shows since adding Byrne have been overwhelmingly positive.

LOL what?


No. He's not. If he were, there wouldn't be all of this drama about playing old songs. He's pissed because he thinks that no one is giving the new stuff the time of day.

People aren't "giving it the time of day" because it sucks. Why is this hard to understand?

It's not a deal where he's saying "I think my new stuff is awesome and my fans don't and they're wrong." He's saying "No one's giving the new stuff a chance because everyone's too concerned about hearing some song I wrote 15 years ago."


This is clearly false. Haven't you read his self-congratulatory interviews where he says he's one of the greatest working musicians?

Maybe there's a similar level of delusion there either way, but the distinction still matters.

Not really.



He's giving away all his music for free. Investing your time is about as big a gesture of interest that you can make these days.


uh, ok?

And I guess you just agree with the Ann Coulter characterization. Cool.

samuel redman
10-15-2010, 12:52 PM
god corganist is so stupid and brainwashed

DaveKShape
10-15-2010, 12:58 PM
god corganist is so stupid and brainwashed

it's very comical how he can completely warp glaring reality to suit his pro-corgan man-love.

samuel redman
10-15-2010, 12:59 PM
WWMM > Shame

ilikeplanets
10-15-2010, 02:46 PM
Shame>Pride

Trotskilicious
10-15-2010, 02:57 PM
wat

Mablak
10-15-2010, 05:52 PM
I have no beef with Corganist, but he may very well be the wrongest person on the internet.

Grox
10-15-2010, 05:57 PM
the saddest thing is that the pumpkins breakup was completely unnecessary. not only did it kill corgan's career, but it shrank his fanbase significantly. billy only ended the band for contextual reasons, the selfish fucking bastards. if the pumpkins stayed together, james probably would've still left, but billy could've soldiered on with jimmy and melissa, made the awesome power pop record Zwan never made, then whatever. without breaking up, they would've kept more of the fanbase, toured more, and everyone would be much happier.

machina was botched, but they could've come back. soooooo many bands have. and in context, machina wasn't that much of a slip-up. it gets a lot of shit because it's the last real sp album, and it kinda sucks...wish machina II sounded better

MonteLDS
10-15-2010, 06:47 PM
in the end all this conversation is kind of pointless.

Billy will hate the fact that people stop believing in him. (which happens to be the loud majority here)
And if you are still coming here, reading about the Smashing Pumpkins in their current status. And all you do is complain about how they aren't as good as they were in the past well... Maybe its time for you to move on.

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 06:53 PM
in the end all this conversation is kind of pointless.

Billy will hate the fact that people stop believing in him. (which happens to be the loud majority here)
And if you are still coming here, reading about the Smashing Pumpkins in their current status. And all you do is complain about how they aren't as good as they were in the past well... Maybe its time for you to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to shut the fuck up and stop following him around like a lost fucking puppy. Fucking freak.

Congratulations on the spelling though. How long did this post take you? Maybe you can work on grammar soon! :)

Corganist
10-15-2010, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I'll readily admit that he is still entertaining as far as his whining rants go.. i'm captivated by what he has to say because watching his downward spiral into madness is the most entertaining thing he's done in the past 10 years.

Except that he's not "spiraling into madness" or anything close to it. Slowly fading into irrelevance and/or relative obscurity, maybe. But that doesn't seem to justify the entertainment you're claiming to get out of continuing to follow him. But hey, whatever you have to tell yourself...right?

Corganist
10-15-2010, 06:55 PM
Because he wasn't doing stupid rants like this until he started releasing shitty shit and even the people who stayed on board for Adore/Machine/TFE jumped ship.
And again, the ship jumpers are exactly the ones he's ranting about. Billy has always had a bad habit of preaching to the choir at shows. He gets the idea that he's among the true believers and thus feels safe in talking shit about the people who aren't there. I can see how it would be a big turnoff to Joe SP Fan, who doesn't follow the man religiously, but no one who frequents this board should be getting their panties in a bunch about these rants. We all should know better.


LOL what?
LOL yourself. It's pretty indisputable that this has been a pretty good year for the band as far as touring reception goes. They didn't blow minds or anything, but they did pretty good.

People aren't "giving it the time of day" because it sucks. Why is this hard to understand?
But that has nothing to do with why Billy thinks people aren't giving it the time of day. He either doesn't know or doesn't care whether people like the new stuff. What he's bitching about isn't the subjective opinion the fans have. He's bitching because he seems to think that people just aren't receptive to anything new, period.

There's a lot of difference between "You think my new stuff sucks? Well you're stuck in the past!" and "You're not interested in new songs? Well, you're stuck in the past!" One is stupidly antagonistic, and the other is just oblivious. And sure, Billy can be certainly be either of those things easily, but I think it makes a lot more sense to assume the latter is the case here.


This is clearly false. Haven't you read his self-congratulatory interviews where he says he's one of the greatest working musicians?
But again, that's not his issue. He's not accusing people of being stuck in the past because they have a different opinion of his new stuff than he does. If that were the case, he wouldn't be talking about playing old songs vs. new songs. He'd instead be telling us how far ahead of his time he is, and how we'll understand what he's doing now at some point in the future, blah blah blah.

And I guess you just agree with the Ann Coulter characterization. Cool.
Not really. I just didn't have the energy to pursue it much.

Trotskilicious
10-15-2010, 07:00 PM
yeah corganist is runnin out of energy on stupid fucking arguments

Corganist
10-15-2010, 07:09 PM
it's very comical how he can completely warp glaring reality to suit his pro-corgan man-love.

Please. My view of him overall is probably a lot less charitable than most people here. I've just come to terms with it a lot better than most have. I'm just not sitting around waiting for a miracle to happen and for him to snap out of being Billy Corgan. I'm comfortable with being a fan of who he is (and has always been), and not what I want him to be.

ilikeplanets
10-15-2010, 07:23 PM
Please. My view of him overall is probably a lot less charitable than most people here. I've just come to terms with it a lot better than most have. I'm just not sitting around waiting for a miracle to happen and for him to snap out of being Billy Corgan. I'm comfortable with being a fan of who he is (and has always been), and not what I want him to be.

Touche!

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 07:35 PM
And again, the ship jumpers are exactly the ones he's ranting about.

...............but no one on this board is a part of this group? because they post on a message board? k dude.



Billy has always had a bad habit of preaching to the choir at shows. He gets the idea that he's among the true believers and thus feels safe in talking shit about the people who aren't there. I can see how it would be a big turnoff to Joe SP Fan, who doesn't follow the man religiously, but no one who frequents this board should be getting their panties in a bunch about these rants. We all should know better.

Don't care.


LOL yourself. It's pretty indisputable that this has been a pretty good year for the band as far as touring reception goes. They didn't blow minds or anything, but they did pretty good.

According to whom?


But that has nothing to do with why Billy thinks people aren't giving it the time of day. He either doesn't know or doesn't care whether people like the new stuff. What he's bitching about isn't the subjective opinion the fans have. He's bitching because he seems to think that people just aren't receptive to anything new, period.

....which is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard.

There's a lot of difference between "You think my new stuff sucks? Well you're stuck in the past!" and "You're not interested in new songs? Well, you're stuck in the past!" One is stupidly antagonistic, and the other is just oblivious. And sure, Billy can be certainly be either of those things easily, but I think it makes a lot more sense to assume the latter is the case here.

And you know which one this is.... how? Both are equally idiotic though so whatever.


But again, that's not his issue. He's not accusing people of being stuck in the past because they have a different opinion of his new stuff than he does. If that were the case, he wouldn't be talking about playing old songs vs. new songs. He'd instead be telling us how far ahead of his time he is, and how we'll understand what he's doing now at some point in the future, blah blah blah.


I can't believe the lengths you're going to to take this nonsensical position.

Not really. I just didn't have the energy to pursue it much.

lol

slunken
10-15-2010, 07:35 PM
the saddest thing is that the pumpkins breakup was completely unnecessary. not only did it kill corgan's career, but it shrank his fanbase significantly.

I keep going back to this myself. The man lost A LOT of steam from 2003-2007. He's still trying to pick up that momentum.

I'm not expecting a miracle but I have faith that he'll find his groove eventually and start knocking them outta the park again, because when it comes down to it it's not about the band or even the man it's about the songs.

samuel redman
10-15-2010, 07:41 PM
Please. My view of him overall is probably a lot less charitable than most people here. I've just come to terms with it a lot better than most have. I'm just not sitting around waiting for a miracle to happen and for him to snap out of being Billy Corgan. I'm comfortable with being a fan of who he is (and has always been), and not what I want him to be.

WWMM > Shame

iPumpkin
10-15-2010, 07:56 PM
I just don't care at all what he says anymore. He has been saying crazy shit for years, same as a ton of 40+ musicians. If he puts out a good song, I will listen. He hasn't in while and it takes all of 5 minutes to download and check out the new songs.

No need to get all worked up.

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 07:58 PM
I just don't care at all what he says anymore. He has been saying crazy shit for years, same as a ton of 40+ musicians. If he puts out a good song, I will listen. He hasn't in while and it takes all of 5 minutes to download and check out the new songs.

No need to get all worked up.

eh. it's just kinda sad to be embarrassed to say i'm a fan of a band when at one point i would have gone to bat for every song the guy ever wrote. i stopped expecting good things a while ago though, so you're right.

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 08:00 PM
not to mention all the tila tequila/jessica simpson/bad poetry/stupid religious messages/chemtrail nonsense/tea partying/incomprehensible maintenance of his ego/etc. stuff.

Trotskilicious
10-15-2010, 08:16 PM
haha he was always a goddamn tool

Corganist
10-15-2010, 08:19 PM
...............but no one on this board is a part of this group? because they post on a message board? k dude.

Surely I don't have to explain exactly what "jumping ship" entails, do I? If you listen to the new tracks, if you're aware of the new lineup, and you still bother to not only check in on, but have a strong opinion on all of it, then Billy's not concerned with you. He doesn't care that you hate Teargarden. He doesn't care if I like it. He's worried about where all the people who came to shows back in 1996, 1998, 2000 went to.



Don't care.

Of course you don't. It's inconvenient to your point.


According to whom?
According to the vast majority of people who've actually been to the shows. Really, now. This isn't arguable. You don't have to personally agree with the sentiment, but you can't pretend the band live show has been received badly on the whole this year. It just ain't so.




....which is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard.

Never said it wasn't dumb, but dumb or not it's a lot different than what people here keep getting offended about.

And you know which one this is.... how? Both are equally idiotic though so whatever.
Because Billy Corgan isn't usually ambiguous about it when he wants to be an asshole. If he wanted to be antagonistic and go on the attack against fans who hate the new stuff, then he'd do just that in no uncertain terms. But right now, he's focusing on people he thinks are stuck in the past. Since no one here seems to think that they're "stuck in the past," then he's probably not talking about any of us. That doesn't make his ranting any more sensible though. Even if people are stuck in the past, that's not the problem. But I don't expect Billy to realize that.

I can't believe the lengths you're going to to take this nonsensical position.

What's nonsensical is that this idea that he's somehow using this "stuck in the past" stuff as some kind of one-size-fits-all slur against his entire remaining fanbase. It just doesn't make any sense, even in a warped Corgan-logic kind of way.

jammin
10-15-2010, 08:20 PM
this board reflects a general consensus opinion of billy corgan's work p well, really.

1. his newer music is not up to par - in fact, it's shit
2. he's literally existing/leaching off of his former greatness to make money
3. he's whoring himself off to celebrities for attention

i'm p glad about this - i thought this would be a board of apologists.

I think it was a p shit move to call this new band the smashing pumpkins just so he could cover his old songs (and avoid royalties, maybe?)

i'm hoping for a glimmer of former greatness, but i haven't seen it yet.

to the dude who said people who don't like his new work should leave the board: you do realize this board will only have, like, ten members if that happens, don't you? have you read all these threads?

Corganist
10-15-2010, 08:20 PM
WWMM > Shame

All the more proof that I'm actually a lot more balanced towards him than most here. Most people here won't even admit that the guy wrote a shitty song before 2001.

samuel redman
10-15-2010, 08:22 PM
All the more proof that I'm actually a lot more balanced towards him than most here. Most people here won't even admit that the guy wrote a shitty song before 2001.

are you kidding me? so you think this is alright because you take a more balanced stance to Billy?

jammin
10-15-2010, 08:28 PM
i like shame. :)

ilikeplanets
10-15-2010, 08:32 PM
shame>wwmm>billy's ego

slunken
10-15-2010, 08:32 PM
p shame

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 08:39 PM
Surely I don't have to explain exactly what "jumping ship" entails, do I? If you listen to the new tracks, if you're aware of the new lineup, and you still bother to not only check in on, but have a strong opinion on all of it, then Billy's not concerned with you. He doesn't care that you hate Teargarden. He doesn't care if I like it. He's worried about where all the people who came to shows back in 1996, 1998, 2000 went to.



.

This is how I know you're just being an idiot. Why in the living fuck would he make the baseless and nonsensical assumption that people who haven't listened to him in ten years are stuck in the past? They're listening to newer and better shit, as they've been doing for the past ten years. goddamn it.

jammin
10-15-2010, 08:49 PM
p shame

p shameful post

Venom
10-15-2010, 09:26 PM
The Past Is The Future Is The Past <<< next single B0lly writes I assure you.

Corganist
10-15-2010, 09:39 PM
This is how I know you're just being an idiot. Why in the living fuck would he make the baseless and nonsensical assumption that people who haven't listened to him in ten years are stuck in the past? They're listening to newer and better shit, as they've been doing for the past ten years. goddamn it.

Why would he make the even more baseless and more nonsensical assumption that people who still follow him now are stuck in the past?

busty sinclaire
10-15-2010, 11:31 PM
holy shit.

busty sinclaire
10-15-2010, 11:36 PM
I'm wearing a zwan shirt right now. It makes me something, but stuck in the past isn't it.

Eulogy
10-16-2010, 12:31 AM
Why would he make the even more baseless and more nonsensical assumption that people who still follow him now are stuck in the past?

because the only people who recognize the shit he's putting out are the people who are still following him. the people who like his old shit and hate his new shit. why you can say so unequivocally that he's not talking about those people is utterly beyond me.

you just design your own narrative for every single fucking thing in the world and then jam facts into whatever narrow and batshit insane mold you've constructed. it's truly remarkable.

paranoid
10-16-2010, 12:40 AM
Except that he's not "spiraling into madness" or anything close to it. Slowly fading into irrelevance and/or relative obscurity, maybe. But that doesn't seem to justify the entertainment you're claiming to get out of continuing to follow him. But hey, whatever you have to tell yourself...right?

you are so fucking stupid.

paranoid
10-16-2010, 12:43 AM
from corganist: "He's bitching because he seems to think that people just aren't receptive to anything new, period."

which is why i'm calling him a fucking asshole in this post. he's completely fucking wrong about it. just because people aren't receptive to his new garbage does not mean that people are 'stuck in the past and afraid of the present.' like i said, it's not all about him.

paranoid
10-16-2010, 12:51 AM
oh my god i read the rest of this. you are so fucking stupid. and arrogant about it too!! thinking you're above everyone else in your opinion of wwmm>shame? ok.. so you like wwmm more.. big deal.


fuck. so stupid.

Corganist
10-16-2010, 02:31 AM
because the only people who recognize the shit he's putting out are the people who are still following him. the people who like his old shit and hate his new shit. why you can say so unequivocally that he's not talking about those people is utterly beyond me.

you just design your own narrative for every single fucking thing in the world and then jam facts into whatever narrow and batshit insane mold you've constructed. it's truly remarkable.

Go back and watch the video that started this thread. He's not talking about people actually at the show. He's not taking anyone there to task for wanting to hear old stuff or for shitting on the new stuff. He's talking about people who aren't there. And he clearly says that the people who aren't there are the ones living in the past. That's not my narrative by any stretch of the imagination. Those are his plain words and there is no other way to interpret them. And it's the same fucking thing he's been saying all along for months now. I don't know how many ways I can tell you that nothing he's been saying has been in the vein of this "Fans who specifically don't like the new songs suck" narrative that you're selling. He just hasn't appeared bothered at all by the actual subjective reactions to Teargarden. If anything, he seems to think that the reaction to the songs among fans has been overall positive. How can he be mad at people for hating Teargarden if he doesn't know they hate it?

Really, the fact that you can take this tame, simply stated rant and twist it so far to suit your narrow mold and then accuse me of being the delusional one is fucking rich. No matter how much you try, you're never going to be able to show that Billy gives two shits about what any of us think about his new material. He just isn't bothered enough by people like you not liking his new stuff...or people like me liking it for that matter. Maybe he should be...but he's not right now. He's got other things on his mind, for better or worse.

Billy's worst crime in the vid is, once again, preaching to the converted. Nothing more.

Rocket Launcher
10-16-2010, 04:24 AM
Thing is, billy should care about his audience also, but his ego is just too big. He seems to think he is doing the right thing, well maybe for himself it is. But certainly not for many older fans. It hasnt always been like this. Just listen to shows from the early 90s until about MCIS era. He seemed to respect the crowd and have fun with them. This is totally lost nowadays. His speeches are mostly drivel now.

Eulogy
10-16-2010, 08:32 AM
Go back and watch the video that started this thread. He's not talking about people actually at the show. He's not taking anyone there to task for wanting to hear old stuff or for shitting on the new stuff. He's talking about people who aren't there.


Guess who also isn't there?? People like us! Jesus christ you are so impossibly dumb.


And he clearly says that the people who aren't there are the ones living in the past. That's not my narrative by any stretch of the imagination. Those are his plain words and there is no other way to interpret them. And it's the same fucking thing he's been saying all along for months now. I don't know how many ways I can tell you that nothing he's been saying has been in the vein of this "Fans who specifically don't like the new songs suck" narrative that you're selling. He just hasn't appeared bothered at all by the actual subjective reactions to Teargarden. If anything, he seems to think that the reaction to the songs among fans has been overall positive. How can he be mad at people for hating Teargarden if he doesn't know they hate it?

What is wrong with you?

Really, the fact that you can take this tame, simply stated rant and twist it so far to suit your narrow mold and then accuse me of being the delusional one is fucking rich. No matter how much you try, you're never going to be able to show that Billy gives two shits about what any of us think about his new material. He just isn't bothered enough by people like you not liking his new stuff...or people like me liking it for that matter.


Oh yes, the man is so fucking stable.

Maybe he should be...but he's not right now. He's got other things on his mind, for better or worse.

Billy's worst crime in the vid is, once again, preaching to the converted. Nothing more.

You're an idiot.

Corganist
10-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Guess who also isn't there?? People like us! Jesus christ you are so impossibly dumb.
So you're telling me that most people here wouldn't go to a show if it came close enough? I doubt that.


What is wrong with you?
I understand the plain words of the English language, perhaps?

Oh yes, the man is so fucking stable.

How is he not? Writing a couple less than great songs does not put your life and career on a downward spiral. I mean, goddamn, the guy's clearly a hell of a lot more stable and in a better place than he was even a couple years ago. This has been an incredibly successful year for him, despite all potential it had to go horribly, horribly wrong. Give the guy some credit.

You're an idiot.
Whatever. Think what you want. Think that Billy can't sleep at night worrying about the fact that you think WWMM sucks or that The Fellowship is mediocre. Think that every time he mentions fans he has problems with he's talking about you. It won't make it so.

Ihaguitar
10-16-2010, 11:08 AM
Does he think the people in the audience who actually bought tickets to see him want to hear him whining like a cunt?

Starla
10-16-2010, 11:21 AM
http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad123/soniclovenoize/BillyParrot.jpg

:rofl:

Starla
10-16-2010, 11:23 AM
next billy album "the past embrace" (songs from the future)

Starla
10-16-2010, 11:32 AM
Maybe its time for you to move on.

I can't go yet. I still have feelings for billy.

Eulogy
10-16-2010, 11:47 AM
So you're telling me that most people here wouldn't go to a show if it came close enough? I doubt that.

That is exactly what I'm telling you. I don't care if you "doubt it." You're wrong.


I understand the plain words of the English language, perhaps?

Funny joke, guy.


How is he not? Writing a couple less than great songs does not put your life and career on a downward spiral. I mean, goddamn, the guy's clearly a hell of a lot more stable and in a better place than he was even a couple years ago. This has been an incredibly successful year for him, despite all potential it had to go horribly, horribly wrong. Give the guy some credit.

What in the living fuck are you talking about? He's become a conspiracy theorist hippie commune nutjob who thinks climate change is a myth and the government is poisoning us via "chem-trails." Also:
“The purpose of this website is to discuss openly and without fear concepts of Mind-Body-Soul integration. If you are drawn to the Hidden Truths, drawn to God as something beyond limitation, and drawn to Love as the greatest force in the Universe, then you have come to the right place at the right time. This is a place of Love.

In discussing Mind-Body-Soul integration within the context of holistic Truth, many topics will be explored here that may be new to you. Like any good tree that one would hope to grow, we must set our roots deep into the ground so that what is real will prosper in the Light of Love.”

What is wrong with you? Not to mention his totally baseless ideas regarding how everyone who isn't following his new shitty shit is "stuck in the past." (At least, that's your interpretation of it. It goes to his instability.) That's what happens when you're fucking awful. People don't pay attention, and if they do, they recognize the shit for what it is. Shit.



Whatever. Think what you want. Think that Billy can't sleep at night worrying about the fact that you think WWMM sucks or that The Fellowship is mediocre. Think that every time he mentions fans he has problems with he's talking about you. It won't make it so.

I don't think it causes him to lose sleep. I think it causes him to lash out and whine like a big fucking washed-up baby to people who paid to see him in concert. Jesus Christ I can't even understand this level of oblivious idiocy.

bardy
10-16-2010, 12:06 PM
Billy is just fucking insane and any attempt to figure out his motives or intentions would be pointless.

Trotskilicious
10-16-2010, 05:26 PM
even if he wasn't insane it would be pretty pointless to figure out his motives or intentions

Ihaguitar
10-16-2010, 05:48 PM
even if he wasn't insane it would be pretty pointless to figure out his motives or intentions

Life is pointless let's all kill ourselves.

ilikeplanets
10-16-2010, 05:50 PM
Yeah...it's far better to comment on the music or other external issues rather than attempt to get inside somebody's head..that is indeed pointless and very creepy.

Catherine Wheel
10-16-2010, 06:01 PM
Billy is the type of person who says everything that is on his mind so it's easy to see where he is coming from. It's not like he holds anything back or prefers to remain secretive.

It would be a lot harder to try and figure out someone like James who is a lot more quiet and distant.

nofix
10-16-2010, 06:13 PM
Give me quiet and distant over self absorbed narcissist with subjective reality.

cork_soaker
10-16-2010, 06:39 PM
subjective reality.

well,

Ihaguitar
10-16-2010, 07:09 PM
Yeah...it's far better to comment on the music or other external issues rather than attempt to get inside somebody's head..that is indeed pointless and very creepy.

No it can be fun. Psychologists do it all the time.

aztec litany service
10-16-2010, 08:18 PM
It's just so strange to me that people here can take Billy so seriously as to be offended by the things he says about losing casual fans.

obviously it's about more than that. he indicts "gen x" [whatever that is] as being skeered of the present [ironically right before playing a thoroughly beatles-influenced new song]. as evidenced by his attitude/statements at least, his level of egotism is such that he assumes wherever he is at any given moment is where the "alternative revolution" is. imagine someone fronting a new bastardised version of a band that was popular from say 1970-75 getting on stage in 1992 and whining about old fans from the 70s not embracing their every recent move and saying that was equal to them being dishonest/shallow about their appreciation of art in general. anyway..

It's been fifteen or twenty years of following him now for most of us and he hasn't changed a bit.

this of course is definitely true and i actually like bill's whining to a point cause it's some evidence that he still cares about what he's doing at least.

Trotskilicious
10-16-2010, 09:24 PM
Life is pointless let's all kill ourselves.

that's a pretty big jump you've made.

Luke de Spa
10-16-2010, 09:53 PM
life is pointless let's all kill each other

Rider
10-16-2010, 10:25 PM
I believe I can see the future
Cause I repeat the same routine
I think I used to have a purpose
But then again
That might have been a dream
I think I used to have a voice
Now I never make a sound
I just do what I've been told
I really don't want them to come around

Oh, no

[Chorus:]
Every day is exactly the same
Every day is exactly the same
There is no love here and there is no pain
Every day is exactly the same

I can feel their eyes are watching
In case I lose myself again
Sometimes I think I'm happy here
Sometimes, yet I still pretend
I can't remember how this got started
But I can tell you exactly how it will end

[Chorus]

I'm writing on a little piece of paper
I'm hoping someday you might find
Well I'll hide it behind something
They won't look behind
I'm still inside here
A little bit comes bleeding through
I wish this could have been any other way
But I just don't know, I don't know what else I can do

[Chorus x2]

Esty
10-16-2010, 10:29 PM
Maybe its time for you to move on.

Its too much fun. Making morons like Bill and the idiots that follow him have to defend him over and over and over again.

Fact is, Bill is so butt hurt by the fact that he's no longer hot shit. So he blames the media, the culture, his bandmates, his family, his girlfriends, his mailman, his retarded brother, his bestfriend, his pet cat, his "fanbase", and so on. I'm amazed he hasn't blamed his dead mother for putting him an emotional state which lead to "Adore".

If anyone is still stuck in the past, its bill. His refusal to accept any personal responsibility is causing him to hang with idiots, yesmen, and seek approval from a fanbase that tells him what he wants to hear, and not what he needs to. Go fuck yourself monte.

Skradgee
10-17-2010, 02:59 AM
6 pages? Can't we just listen to some asshole fucking instead?

Kahlo
10-17-2010, 03:45 AM
I think the fact that Bill lets Monte anywhere near him is a sign of how bad things have become, and how desperate he is for approval.

june_soma
10-17-2010, 10:58 PM
Sad clip, and I interpret it as a direct insult to eh, "fans" like us (minus corganist) who liked his old shit better than his new shit. If prefering good music over bad is living in the past, well I guess I won't be needing that DeLorean after all.

I find this whole logic weird. Does this mean that listening to any music besides contemporary is living in the past? Well, then I guess Corgan should burn his Sabbath and Beatles-albums. God forbid any of us listen to great stuff made decades ago, and maybe lament the fact that we wont be able to see many of these performers live. I would kill for a chance to Elvis in concert, yet I do not think that means I'm living in the past. I just really like Elvis.

And how anyone can doubt the fact that Corgan has lost it, is beyond me. Read his tweets, where he is sucking up to Perez Hilton and bombarding us with paranoid delusions about a government who is secretly trying to kill us all. Christ.

Reyngel
10-18-2010, 03:52 PM
Billy even says himself that he never listens to current music... only old stuff.


He's living in the past WAY more than we are.

He talks about it more, he complains about it more, he listens to more past music...


...but Generation X, and Pumpkins fans who don't like his new work, are the ones at fault? We're the ones stuck in the past?


It's frustratingly ridiculous. I just can't seem to understand how he can continue to assert that the reason so many of us don't like his new shit is because we don't want to embrace new music. Most of us hardly ever have Siamese Dream and MCIS on repeat anymore. We've all expanded out.


Once again: if Billy would produce good music, we, and the rest of the world, would be all for it. It's not rocket science. And it has nothing to do with being "stuck in the past."

We're not comparing his current music to his old stuff because we actually want the old stuff duplicated... and anyone who asserts that is a complete idiot. We compare because we know of the LEVEL he was once capable of. It's pretty black and white. His old songs turned people on. His new songs don't. And any claims that his recent touring is "successful" is such bullshit. He will ALWAYS generate crowds simply because of what he established back in the 90's.

The reason he sees a lot of young faces now? It's because a ton of old faces have peaced out. It's easier to see the young faces, that have always been there in one way or another, now that the crowds are smaller and filled with less hardcore fans.

By the way Corganist, it's not an "assumption" of ours that many of us would NOT go to one of his shows if he were near. The evidence is CLEAR, even to Billy. That's why he makes comments about how many young faces are filling up the venues now. It's all new fans who are figuring out the band...

...NOT because of Teargarden. But because of them hearing Today, and the rest of Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie, for the first time, and decided to check out the band live.


...not such a coincidence of why Billy is adding just the radio hits to his setlists now, is it?


And that's where Billy's blindness lies: he thinks new fans are being turned on to Widow Wake My Mind and Freak, but in actuality, new fans are at the shows because of a YouTube montage for their favorite vampire movie that used Disarm or Zero for the background music.

Soon, all these current "young" fans will realize that Billy's not putting out good music like the 90's just as we have already discovered.

Shallowed
10-18-2010, 05:28 PM
We already knew that he was a total fuck knuckle before this.

memories_unwind
10-18-2010, 06:32 PM
Reyngel, you`re a smart person and I enjoy the precision and truth in your posts when it comes to analyzing the "conflict" between Billy and his fans who are living in the past.

I still give a shit about him and the Pumpkins because their music was part of my life since I was 14. I saw them live a lot of times and spent a lot of money on CDs, merchandise and collecting rarities on vinyl. This is why I still check the board on a regular basis - besides habit and boredom of course.
But I have reached the point at which I don`t even bother listening to the new songs cause the combination of his last material and behaviour on stage is just awful. And I would definitely NOT see a show of the current band, even if it was in my city. I would get too pissed of because I would always compare it to my previous experiences and be very disappointed. I don`t want to ruin what I associate with the former Pumpkins on stage (seeing Billy solo was already painful enough) and I think Reyngel summed up pretty well, why this reaction is not ME living in the past.

Corganist
10-18-2010, 08:04 PM
It's frustratingly ridiculous. I just can't seem to understand how he can continue to assert that the reason so many of us don't like his new shit is because we don't want to embrace new music. Most of us hardly ever have Siamese Dream and MCIS on repeat anymore. We've all expanded out.
I just can't seem to understand how you can continue to assert that that's what he is asserting. I want to see the quote where he flatly says "Hardcore fans don't like my new stuff because they're stuck in the past," because I don't think I've ever seen it. Yes, he's used people being stuck in the past as the reason for a lot of things, but he's never tried to tie it to people's actual opinion of the new music.

Once again: if Billy would produce good music, we, and the rest of the world, would be all for it. It's not rocket science. And it has nothing to do with being "stuck in the past."

We're not comparing his current music to his old stuff because we actually want the old stuff duplicated... and anyone who asserts that is a complete idiot. We compare because we know of the LEVEL he was once capable of. It's pretty black and white. His old songs turned people on. His new songs don't. And any claims that his recent touring is "successful" is such bullshit. He will ALWAYS generate crowds simply because of what he established back in the 90's.
Come on now. If you're being honest at all you can't get around the fact that this tour has been much better received overall than any in recent memory. And it's a proven fact that Billy certainly does not draw crowds or get decent reviews based solely on his 90's work, otherwise the TFE and Zwan tours would have been better attended and received.

The reason he sees a lot of young faces now? It's because a ton of old faces have peaced out. It's easier to see the young faces, that have always been there in one way or another, now that the crowds are smaller and filled with less hardcore fans.

By the way Corganist, it's not an "assumption" of ours that many of us would NOT go to one of his shows if he were near. The evidence is CLEAR, even to Billy. That's why he makes comments about how many young faces are filling up the venues now. It's all new fans who are figuring out the band...
So they're just discovering this random 90's band, 15 years past their peak in popularity, en masse and all on their own? It has nothing to do with the fact that Billy's still out there pushing new music and trying to get it out there? That's a little convenient isn't it? Do you think similar amounts of young people are randomly filling the crowds at the shows of other 90's bands just because those bands were great 15 years ago? I think that's a leap.

...NOT because of Teargarden. But because of them hearing Today, and the rest of Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie, for the first time, and decided to check out the band live.

You have absolutely no reason to make such an assumption. How the hell do you know what is getting young people into the band? Just in my own personal experience, the last couple people I've turned onto SP, people who had only very little preconceived notions about the band, actually not only like Teargarden, but in a lot of cases prefer it to some of the more classic stuff. I don't pretend to understand it, but you can't just flatly say that most of these new young fans are somehow basing their new fandom solely on randomly happening upon something from the back catalog.


...not such a coincidence of why Billy is adding just the radio hits to his setlists now, is it?

Yeah. Spangled, Tom Tom, As Rome Burns, Song for A Son, Astral Planes, United States...etc. Chart toppers each and every one. And really now, let's be serious. Songs like Eye, Drown, Tarantula, That's The Way...etc., were singles and got played on the radio, but it's not like they were rock anthems of their time. I think there's a pretty big assumption people make here that when a song has a cup of coffee with radio play, suddenly it becomes some crowd pleasing hit. Personally, I don't think anyone goes to an SP show and has their night made or broken on whether they play Tarantula or Eye.

And how many times have they played 1979 this year? 3 or 4? That seems to be a pretty big one to leave out if the goal is just to send folks home happy with the hits.

And that's where Billy's blindness lies: he thinks new fans are being turned on to Widow Wake My Mind and Freak, but in actuality, new fans are at the shows because of a YouTube montage for their favorite vampire movie that used Disarm or Zero for the background music.
Wow. You're just totally making shit up now aren't you? Regardless, it doesn't really fucking matter why these new fans are getting turned onto the band now. What's important is that when they go to the shows, they aren't getting turned off. And they're not.

samuel redman
10-18-2010, 08:12 PM
you're not making any sense

think

paranoid
10-18-2010, 08:15 PM
on top of that, our inability to let go of the old band is not because we are stuck in the past with that old band, it's simply that the new band CANNOT PLAY UP TO THE LEVEL THAT THE ORIGINAL BAND WAS AT. watch any footage from 2010 tour then any footage from 1991-2000 and it's easy to see how ludicrous that this new line up is being passed around as 'smashing pumpkins.' If Billy were truly living in the present he would let go of the fucking band name and it's songs already. I, as a fan, in 2010, have ZERO desire to see BWBW, TT, Today, CR, Disarm + a handful of new songs that sound like they could have been written by any typical bar band that is nostalgic for a past era (in this case 1960s - 1970s).

And no, if they came to this town I wouldn't bother seeing them. I'll spend my $$ to see Thurston Moore play an hours worth of guitar noise improv with one of the other local players from the noise scene. Thurston may be 53, but he's still writing and doing some cutting edge shit. for me, it all comes down to go see something cutting edge that represents real progression, or go see a band where half the set contains radio hits from 1993-1999, and the new material is a direct knock off of music created more than 30 years ago.

paranoid
10-18-2010, 08:20 PM
corganist you are either in denial or really, really fucking stupid.

one area that lots young kids are getting exposed to SP? Guitar Hero. it's a big fucking deal among the young folks. Today, BWBW, Cherub Rock, etc.. all on guitar hero. Go listen to any bootleg and tell me which songs get the loudest cheers upon their intros. yeah. it aint spangled or astral, i'll tell ya that much.

Corganist
10-18-2010, 08:50 PM
corganist you are either in denial or really, really fucking stupid.

one area that lots young kids are getting exposed to SP? Guitar Hero. it's a big fucking deal among the young folks. Today, BWBW, Cherub Rock, etc.. all on guitar hero. Go listen to any bootleg and tell me which songs get the loudest cheers upon their intros. yeah. it aint spangled or astral, i'll tell ya that much.

Yeah, kids and their Guitar Hero. That's how they get their music these days! (If these days were like 3 years ago.)

Jesus Christ, you sound as out of touch as Billy. I don't think he has any idea what it is that is bringing the younger element to these shows, but it's perfectly fucking clear that no one here does either.

And really, what's wrong with hits getting a reaction? It doesn't speak to anything but the fact that they're songs that have been immensely popular for a couple decades now. The real measure is whether or not people are completely checking out when those songs aren't getting played, and those same bootlegs would show that they're not.

samuel redman
10-18-2010, 09:18 PM
That's how they get their music these days!


you do realize that this is how Bilyl thought kids DID get their music from

Corganist
10-18-2010, 09:36 PM
you do realize that this is how Bilyl thought kids DID get their music from

Of course, but you expect that sort of thing from him.

samuel redman
10-18-2010, 09:38 PM
in all serious, im really curious as to why you think Widow Wake My Mind is much better than Shame. break this down for me, please

paranoid
10-18-2010, 09:48 PM
I'm just going by example, and yeah, it's not where they're getting all their music but it is playing a big part in exposure for lots of music, and just because it was popular 2 years ago doesn't mean it didn't get kids buying SD or the greatest hits CD, and keep them interested enough to see SP live. You missed my overall point, though, which you tend to do. Listen to a 2010 bootleg and listen to what songs get the biggest reactions. You really think they're getting exposed and hooked to SP via teargarden tracks? get fucking real. As far as though bootlegs go, I'm hearing a LOT of talking during spangled, US, Astral, Gossamer, ASIT, and some of the other new tunes. Whatever the exposure, we are living in the itunes/ipod era, where the kids are downloading the records and putting the singles into their playlists. It's really silly to deny that BWBW, Today and CR are not big factors into what is directing the youngins over to SP. He made a batch of about 5-10 hit songs 15 years ago and it's those songs that are still allowing him to string this whole SP thing along and still sell tickets.

Given that, what do you think is bringing the younger element to the shows? What is your guess? You think the younger ones have moved on from the past? do you really think they even give a fuck? Don't they really just want to hear rat in a cage? hmmm?

EDIT: I think Reyngel made it pretty fucking clear what is bringing the younger element to the shows, btw.

paranoid
10-18-2010, 10:05 PM
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stumpycat
10-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Goddamn, crowds don't even fuckin' move around these days. I would like to shove those shitty cell phone cameras up their ass.

DaveKShape
10-18-2010, 11:47 PM
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why does he continue to play this song? out of obligation? he can't have it both ways. don't chide your fans for being stuck in the past and then continue to play this every night.

redbreegull
10-18-2010, 11:51 PM
god damn these shows look boring. Billy has had a big drop in his stage presence/movement even since 2007.

Maybe all those 3 hour shows caught up to him.

paranoid
10-19-2010, 12:01 AM
god damn these shows look boring. Billy has had a big drop in his stage presence/movement even since 2007.

Maybe all those 3 hour shows caught up to him.

didn't you hear? It's soooo 2010, and progressive to stand on stage and perform with dull, lifeless emotion. Don't be afraid of the present!

vbshlofbvgos
10-19-2010, 12:07 AM
their music is an embarrassing part of my life

Reyngel
10-19-2010, 03:57 AM
All of the young people I've talked to have strictly been turned on to the Pumpkins via listening to SD or MCIS 13, 15 years later.

NO ONE I've talked to who's a teen, late teen, or even early 20's who's just discovered the band is into the Pumpkins because of ANYTHING Billy's put out in the last three years. Nothing from Zeitgeist, nothing from Teargarden.

It's ALL from the usage of Today, Tonight Tonight, Disarm, Zero and Bullet By Butterfly Wings by things such as movie trailers, Visa commercials, Guitar Hero and YouTube montages/mashups of anime shit or some series on the WB network.

The young crowd is into the OLD shit just as much as any of us older fans. They're just discovering the band. They're just discovering that SP has a TON of old, awesome material. That alone will carry them in fandom for a year or two.

And THAT is why Billy is throwing in those obligatory Todays, Bullets, etc. He knows that he has to at least whore the radio hits that the new teens heard on YouTube, or the soundtrack shit like TBITEITB during the Watchmen trailer, etc, so that he can push the momentum of his new work a little longer.

The honest truth? The new fans really, actually, seriously don't really give a fuck about the new material. For a lot of new teen fans, these concerts are their FIRST CONCERTS, PERIOD. They have no comparisons. Any loud, live music sounds AWESOME to them, especially when the opening 10 notes of Today start being played.

Why do you think crowds full of BRAND NEW fans who found the band during the Zeitgeist and Teargarden eras cheer for Today and Tonight Tonight a thousand times harder than any new shit?

It's OBVIOUSLY not because they're stuck in the past. Most of them weren't even fucking born yet when those songs were out.

They're cheering because they enjoy the old music more than the new.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

cork_soaker
10-19-2010, 04:26 AM
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Cool As Ice Cream
10-19-2010, 05:26 AM
TBITEITB

Grant V
10-19-2010, 05:33 AM
I currently have 4 young guitar students that want me to show them how to play sp songs. 1 of them wants to learn that rat in a cage song from whale wars. He said after he heard that he went and bought the greatest hits from itunes. His second favorite song is landslide.

Two of them discovered sp via guitar hero. One loves today while the other loves cherub rock. Both have told me they think the best sp song is that 'world is a vampire' song.

The fourth student loves and wants to learn 'believe' and thinks james iha is the lead singer of the band. She says he has a strange deep voice that makes the band unique.

I have yet to meet a young fan that knows fuck all about teargarden.

memories_unwind
10-19-2010, 05:44 AM
TBITEITB

Hey, I wanted to add this!

Morlock
10-19-2010, 06:36 AM
Wouldn't it be great if Billy made music the way he talks, and talked the way he makes music, instead of what he does currently?

His music would sound cynical, bitter, foul and deluded. In interviews he would sound forceably peaceful, lazy, slightly gay, and a little boring.

Corganist
10-19-2010, 09:11 AM
And THAT is why Billy is throwing in those obligatory Todays, Bullets, etc.

No. It isn't. You act like he suddenly started playing those songs a lot only this year. That's utterly ridiculous.They've been setlist staples from pretty much the time they were both written. He's not "throwing in" anything he wouldn't be playing anyway. To pretend that only now is he playing them to somehow placate some new casual fan base is just twisting the obvious to fit your ridiculous whiny point.

Look, there's a reason that the hits are hits and why Teargarden and Zeitgeist tracks are not. No one denies that. It's perfectly fucking natural and expected that anyone at an SP show is going to be more excited to hear Today than Astral Planes, but that doesn't speak at all to what they think of the new material. And there's absolutely no evidence that these new young fans share whatever hostility/ambivalence/whatever that you have to the new stuff, and it's dishonest to project that onto them. (As is the pandering "Oh, it's probably their first concert and they don't know any better" bullshit.) We're talking about high school and college age kids here. They know what concert they're going to and know what they're going to hear just as much as any of us did back when we were that age. If they're going to a show of a band that hasn't been near the peak of it's popularity in well over a decade, then there's a good chance that they're a little more savvy in their music taste than "Let's go see the band with that Guitar Hero song!" Doesn't mean they're necessarily there for Teargarden, but don't think that the fact that the band still makes new music doesn't count for anything. It almost certainly does.

Kahlo
10-19-2010, 09:47 AM
Does Corganist have a job (other than sucking Corgan's dick)?

Seriously way too much effort goes into those posts (not mentally of course).

Kahlo
10-19-2010, 10:23 AM
I really wish he was trolling.

Raskolnikov
10-19-2010, 11:11 AM
What I find ironic - and couldn't shake after the show in SLC recently is the nature of their setlists until they hit Australia. Case in point - here's the setlist from their September show here in Utah:

* Astral Planes
* Ava Adore
* Drown
* As Rome Burns
* A Song for a Son
* Today
* Eye
* Bullet with Butterfly Wings
* United States
* Spangled
* Tom Tom
* Stand Inside Your Love
* Tarantula
* Tonight, Tonight
* Cherub Rock

Encore:

* Freak
* Gossamer

Aside from the 2007 songs, EVERY "old" song is from the Greatest Hits CD. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

For somebody who gets up there and claims to not be a "slave to his old songs" really only chooses to play the old songs that will get a cheer was extremely frustrating to me.

Also, I think this interview hasn't been posted here yet:

In Utah This Week | Events schedule, photos, dining, nightlife, bands and more! (http://www.inthisweek.com/view.php?id=2422317)

Some pretty infuriating quotes in there, namely:

"I really just kind of shrug my shoulders at the older fans and say, take the journey or don't. I can't try to rub your tummy and make you feel good about the past because I'm really not that invested in it anymore," says Corgan.

Astur
10-19-2010, 11:34 AM
Gotta love the way he leaves Freak for the encore as if it was the hugely successful single everyone wants to hear. Stupid cocksucker.

samuel redman
10-19-2010, 11:35 AM
this is all really disheartening

samuel redman
10-19-2010, 11:37 AM
Gotta love the way he leaves Freak for the encore as if it was the hugely successful single everyone wants to hear. Stupid cocksucker.

dont forget, he has the 20 or so oboard nutcases voting for it on the radio/websites countlessly

hnibos
10-19-2010, 12:53 PM
"I think the two things that stick out about who we are today is we are extremely consistent so night in, night out, we're able to put on a really strong show. Where the old band didn't have that. And I think also, everybody is at a really good place in their lives; positive energy, healthy, no drug abuse, no insanity. It's a really mature, happy vibe in the band," says Corgan.


hes insane and theres a 19 year old in the band

DaveKShape
10-19-2010, 01:07 PM
I currently have 4 young guitar students that want me to show them how to play sp songs. 1 of them wants to learn that rat in a cage song from whale wars. He said after he heard that he went and bought the greatest hits from itunes. His second favorite song is landslide.

Two of them discovered sp via guitar hero. One loves today while the other loves cherub rock. Both have told me they think the best sp song is that 'world is a vampire' song.

The fourth student loves and wants to learn 'believe' and thinks james iha is the lead singer of the band. She says he has a strange deep voice that makes the band unique.

I have yet to meet a young fan that knows fuck all about teargarden.

BUT THE NEW MUSIC IS LIKE, GETTING SUPER POSITIVE RECEPTION, D00D!!!

Trotskilicious
10-19-2010, 01:35 PM
i had a buddy of mine that was all excited because SP was coming to Austin earlier this month and when i told him Jimmy Chamberlain wasn't in the band he was crestfallen. I spent my money on seeing the Pixies and I haven't been to an SP show since 2000 and I won't go until Jimmy comes back, or they actually hire a good drummer. I mean, the guy from that Armenian band was passed over and that would have worked out a lot better, performance wise, than teendouche mcgee.

It really takes a lot away to not have the outstanding musicians on stage, no matter what Birry thinks is going on.

pale_princess
10-19-2010, 04:17 PM
The fourth student loves and wants to learn 'believe' and thinks james iha is the lead singer of the band. She says he has a strange deep voice that makes the band unique.



this is pretty great

Trotskilicious
10-19-2010, 04:30 PM
yeah what band is he actually listening to?

june_soma
10-19-2010, 04:51 PM
If they're going to a show of a band that hasn't been near the peak of it's popularity in well over a decade, then there's a good chance that they're a little more savvy in their music taste than "Let's go see the band with that Guitar Hero song!"

You give kids today waaaay to much credit. Music is very much a singles game these days, ask any musician. Nobody has the time or patience, espesially kids, for albums anymore, even your Lord Corgan agrees on that. Do you think kids go to King of Leon shows because they love all their B-sides (if any?)? No, they wanna make out/jump around to " sex on fire" and call it a night.

And there hasn't been a pumpkins hit on MTV or the radio in well over a decade as you pointed out, so what is more plausible: 1. They picked up on the pumpkins via Guitar hero/youtube/movie traileect or 2. They logged on to smashingpumpkins.com by random got hooked on Teargarden an decided to spend their dollars on a show?

It's still the oldies who put asses in the seats. No question.

Trotskilicious
10-19-2010, 05:03 PM
have you listened to "alternative" rock radio in america? they still play SP songs once every two hours...

Trotskilicious
10-19-2010, 05:04 PM
(but yes mainly commercials and other products are the main source of exposure)

Grant V
10-19-2010, 05:30 PM
yeah what band is he actually listening to?

Believe is the only smashing pumpkins tune this particular student has heard. I think I'll burn her some more Iha tunes and let her believe that is SP.

DaveKShape
10-19-2010, 05:45 PM
there was some recent radio interview where he said something to the effect that he couldn't release the teargarten songs too quickly (in this particular case: "widow wake my mind"), otherwise they wouldn't get enough radio push, and that radio was still a huge way that people are exposed to new music.

this is how out of touch this dude is.

Trotskilicious
10-19-2010, 06:07 PM
He doesn't really have any idea what's going on. I think that's part of why his music is suffering. What does billy like now? He usually rejects new music out-of-hand like a lot of the stick-in-the-muds here. What is he listening to? What has he been inspired by? Is he just listening old shit he wrote and crying or what?

Corganist
10-19-2010, 06:55 PM
You give kids today waaaay to much credit. Music is very much a singles game these days, ask any musician. Nobody has the time or patience, espesially kids, for albums anymore, even your Lord Corgan agrees on that. Do you think kids go to King of Leon shows because they love all their B-sides (if any?)? No, they wanna make out/jump around to " sex on fire" and call it a night.

And there hasn't been a pumpkins hit on MTV or the radio in well over a decade as you pointed out, so what is more plausible: 1. They picked up on the pumpkins via Guitar hero/youtube/movie traileect or 2. They logged on to smashingpumpkins.com by random got hooked on Teargarden an decided to spend their dollars on a show?
Yes, it's all a singles game. But at the same time, it isn't 1996 anymore. If someone today hears a song (or a few songs) they like from some artist, then they can literally download that artists' entire discography in a couple minutes. They don't have to sit around watching MTV or listening to the radio for hours waiting to hear more stuff by that artist. They don't have to go out and buy a bunch of CDs to get caught up. And it's highly unlikely that they buy a ticket to go see a band based solely on hearing one 15 year old song on youtube when pretty much every song the band has done is at their fingertips.

Regardless, I never said anybody was getting hooked in by Teargarden. My point is that whatever Teargarden's merits, its quality is clearly not putting off these younger fans from attending shows. And I think you're naive if you don't think that most of these kids aren't at least aware that SP is still putting out new music. Face it, it's not exactly huge news these days when SP comes to town, so you have to be following along just a little bit in order to even know when the shows are and how to get tickets. If someone is following along enough to do that, then it's really not fucking likely that they're somehow just a mere fairweather "radio hits" fan.

paranoid
10-19-2010, 07:26 PM
Good fucking lord you don't even know what you're arguing for anymore.

Slurpee
10-19-2010, 09:29 PM
I don't think new songs make much difference to the younger fans either way, if they're seeing their first SP shows. As a youngster I went to see many bands who were past their peak popularity, and their new stuff ranged from awesome (David Byrne) to horrifying (Blondie, Soft Cell). I didn't regret seeing their shows, but the quality of new songs certainly dictates whether I'd see them again. That's why SP's show sizes are slowly dwindling... the number of new fans being recruited by the old music is less than the number of fans leaving because of the new songs and the new band, as well as fans who wanted to see the band from 2001-2006 and have now gotten their fill. I'm on that last list. In 07 and 08, I made up for a lot of lost SP time. But now, there are significantly diminishing returns.

Bottom line, for an 18 year old who just discovered SP in 2009, hearing Drown and Bullet live at one of their first shows is probably pretty fucking awesome. But how many times are they going to want to do it again, especially if they have to sit through worse and worse new songs?

And what are we really arguing about? Billy's going play places like the 9:30 Club or The Fillmore for the rest of his career. It's just a matter of what set of songs he's playing there, and even that is becoming pretty clear.

rudi
10-20-2010, 12:59 AM
Was this show at a high-school gymnasium? It sounds like there are 29 people there.

Billy's comments are so fucking inane.

Kahlo
10-20-2010, 03:25 AM
BILLY IS A TRUE ARTIST!

Cool As Ice Cream
10-20-2010, 03:33 AM
this youtube clip reminded me of how stupid crowds are, with their cheering and their clapping and their laughing. fookin'ell! billy could have said "i will hunt you down and bring you to justice" and they would still have applauded him.

cork_soaker
10-20-2010, 04:59 AM
"i will hunt you down and bring you some cake" .

Cool As Ice Cream
10-20-2010, 05:48 AM
thanks!

Kahlo
10-20-2010, 06:13 AM
So the Veronicas aren't very good are they?

slunken
10-20-2010, 02:24 PM
this youtube clip reminded me of how stupid crowds are, with their cheering and their clapping and their laughing. fookin'ell! billy could have said "i will hunt you down and bring you to justice" and they would still have applauded him.

"please s top moshing people are being crushed and one person may be dead"

"whoooooooo"

"?"

june_soma
10-20-2010, 07:10 PM
So the Veronicas aren't very good are they?

You tell us.

zero machine
10-21-2010, 11:01 PM
This is why i dont care about this band anymore

I've got no problem listening to old songs..
corgan
if you think we old and real fans should quit listening to your old songs, than just stop playing them.

if you were really good as you were in the past, your new songs would rock...and not suck like they do.

i just got back from the bar and i'm drunk....but i'm sure and sober to know that i wont ever listen again a new good song like the ones from the past. Because I quit waiting for something good....

new tunes suck!! new tour suck!! new drummer suck!!!

and if any of you from here want to complain, i dont care.....I'm sick of this new pumpkins era..... I dont even know why I look for the new songs.
shame on me.

i prefer my ipod....

i respect your past but i dont respect your present.

bs1933
10-21-2010, 11:04 PM
STOP! HAMMERTIME!

Rider
10-21-2010, 11:08 PM
This is why i dont care about this band anymore

I've got no problem listening to old songs..
corgan
if you think we old and real fans should quit listening to your old songs, than just stop playing them.

if you were really good as you were in the past, your new songs would rock...and not suck like they do.

i just got back from the bar and i'm drunk....but i'm sure and sober to know that i wont ever listen again a new good song like the ones from the past. Because I quit waiting for something good....

new tunes suck!! new tour suck!! new drummer suck!!!

and if any of you from here want to complain, i dont care.....I'm sick of this new pumpkins era..... I dont even know why I look for the new songs.
shame on me.

i prefer my ipod....

i respect your past but i dont respect your present.

Wow you kind a combined 2 smashing pumpkins references in your nicakname. I wonder why no one has ever done that on here before.

zero machine
10-21-2010, 11:14 PM
Yeah, hammertime!!!

slunken
10-21-2010, 11:21 PM
STOP

Ihaguitar
10-22-2010, 02:31 AM
u cant touch this

Cool As Ice Cream
10-22-2010, 02:48 AM
http://cecinestpasdelart.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hammertime_jeroom.jpg?w=340&h=365