View Full Version : Did the Smashing Pumpkins have any clone bands early on?


SirenWren
10-13-2010, 02:17 PM
I got into the band a bit late so I was wondering if I missed out on any Pumpkin clones when the band was very popular. You know kinda like how Pearl Jam had Creed and how Radiohead has Muse/Coldplay.

WhoAmI
10-13-2010, 02:21 PM
Flick--and they're actually pretty good. I don't know how much music they released, but I have a CD, EP, and single, all of which still get occasional play.

And I know that they came later, but Silversun Pickups must be mentioned.

Ihaguitar
10-13-2010, 02:23 PM
Flick--and they're actually pretty good. I don't know how much music they released, but I have a CD, EP, and single, all of which still get occasional play.

And I know that they came later, but Silversun Pickups must be mentioned.

This Flick? Albums by Flick - Rate Your Music (http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/flick)

Catherine Wheel
10-13-2010, 02:32 PM
Feeder and Placebo to an extent in the mid late 90s. Feeder's first album Polythene, and Placebo's second Without You I'm Nothing.

Rider
10-13-2010, 02:47 PM
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Monet LSD
10-13-2010, 03:04 PM
^Not hearing an SP sound but worth watching for 2:05-2:08

Slurpee
10-13-2010, 03:15 PM
Our Lady Peace comes to mind. Silverchair as well.

It's a lot easier to find indie bands that were influenced by them (Deerhunter, Cymbals Eat Guitars, Japandroids, etc.) than it is to find alternative bands that tried to copy them back in the day. Of course Billy would hate all those bands.

Rider
10-13-2010, 03:17 PM
^Not hearing an SP sound but worth watching for 2:05-2:08

The Rap section of the song onwards was obviously an attempt to take a shitty song and layer it in the studio to try to sound like the Pumpkins. If you listen to them they basically ripped off every band that was popular. They have Red Hot Chill Pepper tracks, Rage Against The Machine tracks....

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If you played that for me and told me it was Anthony Kiedis singing on a RATM track I would probably fall for it. They were clearly a band with no strong direction just trying to copy sounds in the studio.

soniclovenoize
10-13-2010, 03:18 PM
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Catherine Wheel
10-13-2010, 03:27 PM
I completely forgot about Our Lady Peace.

Rider
10-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Oh and none of have mentioned the biggest most obvious one.

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Catherine Wheel
10-13-2010, 03:34 PM
I think Feeder were as obvious as Hum. That whole first album by them sounds like nothing but Siamese Dream outtakes.

The Omega Concern
10-13-2010, 04:10 PM
I never thought they were any clone bands of them back then (Silversun Pickups on the other hand). But a half a generation later there were definitely a boatload of crappy bands with a chick bassist.

redbull
10-13-2010, 04:34 PM
Oh and none of have mentioned the biggest most obvious one.

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and best -- although I'd argue that a lot of Hum's stuff is more influenced by american shoegaze (Swervedriver etc) and space and post rock:

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also, if you like Hum, the album Jupiter by Cave In is necessary listening

arCHI
10-13-2010, 05:03 PM
i have always thought pumpkins clones were a little more elusive than say radiohead or pearl jam because no one tries to sing like billy. creed, muse, radiohead: the main thing that identifies them with the band they are emulating in the singing style.

i feel like hum definitely has similarities to sp in musical elements, and the guy from silversun is probably as close as one can get to sounding like billy without it becoming parody. other than that i have a hard time really picking out bands that sound like the pumpkins in any significant way. i think a lot of bands have tried to be the pumpkins in terms of the gothy-ness, costumes, glam, heavyness, and of course international success. MCR comes to mind as a good example. the first time i saw their singer i immediately thought billy, but the band doesnt in any way sound like sp.

Astur
10-13-2010, 05:08 PM
most of the crap you people are posting sounds better than teargarden

arCHI
10-13-2010, 05:10 PM
thats actually true...

Astur
10-13-2010, 05:11 PM
also, if you like Hum, the album Jupiter by Cave In is necessary listening

Jupiter is awesome though my fave will always be Until Your Heart Stops

Damn I need some Cave In right now

redbull
10-13-2010, 05:11 PM
now i'm on a Hum kick...4:30 is one of the best moments in all of music
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bs1933
10-13-2010, 05:12 PM
I always thought Collective Soul made every single they released by stealing a pumpkins riff, making it a top 40 spinoff, and then releasing it. Unfortunately they are far below the talent of most of the bands mentioned so far... not really worth checking out IMO.

redbull
10-13-2010, 05:17 PM
the first or second CD I ever got was a Collective Soul album

aztec litany service
10-13-2010, 05:18 PM
and best -- although I'd argue that a lot of Hum's stuff is more influenced by american shoegaze (Swervedriver etc)

swervedriver are english [and awesome]
i'm not sure what i think about the hum/sp thing. wish they'd kept making albums.

vbshlofbvgos
10-13-2010, 06:29 PM
yeah i remember all the pumpkins fans talking about collective soul back in the day. and that Q101 interview with darcy was pretty funny when she was praising silversun pickups.

Monet LSD
10-13-2010, 06:38 PM
The Rap section of the song onwards was obviously an attempt to take a shitty song and layer it in the studio to try to sound like the Pumpkins. If you listen to them they basically ripped off every band that was popular. They have Red Hot Chill Pepper tracks, Rage Against The Machine tracks....They were clearly a band with no strong direction just trying to copy sounds in the studio.

Yeah, the main thing that jumped out was a Chris Cornell-Soundgarden-whatever vocal mimicry going on in the chorus (I think the chorus....not gonna go back and listen again)

Glad I apparently didn't make it to the rap section of it, in any case.

ilikeplanets
10-13-2010, 06:43 PM
I think Downward is Heavenward by Hum is a more Pumpkins-sounding album than You'd Prefer an Astronaut.

ilikeplanets
10-13-2010, 06:44 PM
I also don't hear the silversun pickups thing..

redbull
10-13-2010, 07:29 PM
listen to the first five seconds of lazy eye, and then listen to the first five seconds of drown

WhoAmI
10-13-2010, 08:58 PM
This Flick? Albums by Flick - Rate Your Music (http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/flick)

Yes, that Flick. I didn't even know they were still making music in 2004. And I can't believe that I didn't remember Our Lady Peace.

soniclovenoize
10-13-2010, 09:43 PM
I never thought they were any clone bands of them back then (Silversun Pickups on the other hand). But a half a generation later there were definitely a boatload of crappy bands with a chick bassist.

Smashing Pumpkins were not the first band with a chick bassist...

killtrocity
10-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Beyond Hypothermia!

RockLobster
10-13-2010, 10:57 PM
i mother earth and tea party (even though his vocals are lower)

stumpycat
10-13-2010, 11:07 PM
I'm not sure if Hum is really a clone so much as a peer of SP, because they were a band in the Chicago area basically since SP was a band--and that generally dense, heavier, crunchy, droning character that makes them sound far more similar to SP than most of the bands mentioned has been a staple of their sound since before Siamese Dream came out.

There are actually more Christian hard rock bands, I think, that sound heavily SP inspired. Stavesacre and Embodyment used to be pretty big on that scene in the late 90s and I noticed that kids who liked SP also tended to like those bands. Rod Laver had some musical similarities, especially in their guitar tones (except for the rapping, hip-hop elements.)

redbull
10-14-2010, 12:51 AM
Hum aren't from Chicago dude

DiscoJon
10-14-2010, 01:36 AM
Hum aren't from Chicago dude

Champaign, IL isn't exactly that far away from Chicago.

Sonic Johnny
10-14-2010, 01:44 AM
tea party (even though his vocals are lower)


dude the Tea Party is quite obviously a Screaming Trees clone.

Kahlo
10-14-2010, 01:49 AM
No-one mention Stiltskin?

vbshlofbvgos
10-14-2010, 02:10 AM
Champaign, IL isn't exactly that far away from Chicago.

if you were from illinois you would understand that they are worlds apart

redbull
10-14-2010, 02:16 AM
if you were from illinois you would understand that they are worlds apart

what that guy said

antiskum
10-14-2010, 03:03 AM
Oh and none of have mentioned the biggest most obvious one.

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this

brendo_91
10-14-2010, 05:04 AM
The Superjesus:

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Luke de Spa
10-14-2010, 07:54 AM
Oh and none of have mentioned the biggest most obvious one.

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jesus fucking christ the nineties sucked

Spira|_
10-14-2010, 08:13 AM
Saying that bands you posted here sounds like Smashing Pumpkins is like saying TBK sounds like Smashing Pumpkins.

Spira|_
10-14-2010, 08:25 AM
Please go listen to Starchildren to clean your ears. ;)

Crystal_Chrome
10-14-2010, 08:48 AM
Feeder and Placebo to an extent in the mid late 90s. Feeder's first album Polythene, and Placebo's second Without You I'm Nothing.

Well, yeah. Although I guess this mostly applies to Polythene. Very good, too bad they later sort of followed a more mellow Coldplay-ish route.
As for early Placebo, yeah I've always thought they are strongly connected with the Pumpkins, seeing those two are probably my two favourite bands.
Still from time to time I see fans of each band, NOT appreciating the other which always surprises me. Oh well...

In the same vein:
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Fantastic and criminally underrated early 00's band, kinda between The Pumpkins and Placebo. Frontman had made it clear that Corgan was his hero.
Too bad they split after 2 albums because people post -00 mostly care only about the Killers, Vampire Weekend, Franz Ferdinand and Kings of Leon of the world.
Tunes to accompany some beer drinking at the pub... meh

Also check Frequency Fall, something in between bands already mentioned and some Mars Volta thrown into the mix. Anyone into them?

An interesting thing about Pumpkins is that they got fans with pretty different taste, each one appreciating different things on them.
For example I'm well aware there are SOME of them which their other favourite bands are Black Sabbath, Tool, Pearl Jam and Faith No More. Those are probably the same people who hate "Adore" because it's not RAAAAWWWK and who probably smirk on the bands mentioned in this post finding them "gay" or I dunno what... oh well.... Opinions Opinions...
If anyone shares similar music interest/understands where I'm coming from and can recommend me stuff or wants to exchange views feel free to PM me.

Luke de Spa
10-14-2010, 08:55 AM
ehehehe that sucks guy

Slurpee
10-14-2010, 09:06 AM
now i'm on a Hum kick...4:30 is one of the best moments in all of music


Agreed, as long as you agree that it's definitely a child of Siamese Dream.

I'm just noticing now how good Hum's drummer is.

stumpycat
10-14-2010, 06:16 PM
In the same vein:


Fantastic and criminally underrated early 00's band, kinda between The Pumpkins and Placebo. Frontman had made it clear that Corgan was his hero.

Holy fuck, and I thought Billy had a soft, effeminate quality to his voice...
(This guy's voice is higher but less nasal)


An interesting thing about Pumpkins is that they got fans with pretty different taste, each one appreciating different things on them.
For example I'm well aware there are SOME of them which their other favourite bands are Black Sabbath, Tool, Pearl Jam and Faith No More. Those are probably the same people who hate "Adore" because it's not RAAAAWWWK and who probably smirk on the bands mentioned in this post finding them "gay" or I dunno what... oh well.... Opinions Opinions...

That's very true, and something about Pumpkins fandom that I noticed from early on as well. I'm admittedly one of those more "hard rocking" types who has little interest in the bands mentioned in this thread, bar Hum. (Because, as mentioned previously, they play more of a rocking and grungy shoegaze sound.)

And YES I know Hum isn't from Chicago (that's why I said "Chicago area") but that is of course going to be the closest "big market" they are going to frequent and really make a name for themselves aside from the college town from which they originated. Like Pantera is really from Pantego, Texas but it would not be incorrect to say they got their start in the Fort Worth or Dallas music scene.

redbull
10-14-2010, 08:08 PM
I don't know, I live in Champaign and there's actually very little mixing between scenes with the exception of some of the chicago bands who start getting bigger and play down here (hood internet, russian circles, etc)

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 09:08 PM
As for early Placebo, yeah I've always thought they are strongly connected with the Pumpkins, seeing those two are probably my two favourite bands.
Still from time to time I see fans of each band, NOT appreciating the other which always surprises me. Oh well...

Yeah jesus shit, sorry to bum out your little goth parade.

Too bad they split after 2 albums because people post -00 mostly care only about the Killers, Vampire Weekend, Franz Ferdinand and Kings of Leon of the world.

You mean your high school? NOT THE WORLD. Jesus FUCKING CHRIST.

For example I'm well aware there are SOME of them which their other favourite bands are Black Sabbath, Tool, Pearl Jam and Faith No More.

Yes and there are other fans that are into Pixies, Built to Spill, Sleater-Kinney and My Bloody Valentine so what's your point?


If anyone shares similar music interest/understands where I'm coming from and can recommend me stuff or wants to exchange views feel free to PM me.

YEAH MAN I'LL BE YOUR GAY PEN PAL!

slunken
10-14-2010, 09:16 PM
u that bored?

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 09:16 PM
back in the day that was good for a few pages of drama

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 09:17 PM
but yes, absolutely. it's kind of sublime.

ilikeplanets
10-14-2010, 09:21 PM
ahaha nice

killtrocity
10-14-2010, 10:53 PM
shut the fuck up, peon

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 11:03 PM
man where's that dumb kid think he'll respond?

Trotskilicious
10-14-2010, 11:03 PM
i really want a gay pen pal.

stumpycat
10-15-2010, 01:01 AM
I don't know, I live in Champaign and there's actually very little mixing between scenes with the exception of some of the chicago bands who start getting bigger and play down here (hood internet, russian circles, etc)

Ohh...it's not like that here at all. In Texas you're pretty much going to get clumped into the Austin or Dallas circuits if you're anywhere in the vicinity.

Edit: hmm...The Superjesus isn't bad.

Rider
10-15-2010, 02:08 AM
I don't know, I live in Champaign and there's actually very little mixing between scenes with the exception of some of the chicago bands who start getting bigger and play down here (hood internet, russian circles, etc)

I'm sure it was exactly the same 20 years ago.

redbull
10-15-2010, 02:53 AM
^^ it's remained pretty close. c-u has always been known as a fairly insular scene

EDIT - i'm sure this is probably different in states where regions aren't defined as "Chicago" and "not Chicago"

redbull
10-15-2010, 02:54 AM
there's also the fact that none of the chicago bands were really making SST style post punk at the time either

/indie

Rider
10-15-2010, 09:34 AM
Dude it's like trying to argue that Nirvana was not a Seattle band.

Eulogy
10-15-2010, 11:55 AM
Dude it's like trying to argue that Nirvana was not a Seattle band.

No. The cultural gulf between Chicago and Champaign does not exist between Aberdeen and Seattle.

redbull
10-15-2010, 04:46 PM
Dude it's like trying to argue that Nirvana was not a Seattle band.

this might be true if nirvana had been on a label run out of aberdeen and not played the majority of their early shows in seattle

Trotskilicious
10-15-2010, 06:00 PM
hum's not a chicago band

it's like saying at the drive in is a dallas band

stumpycat
10-16-2010, 01:45 AM
hum's not a chicago band

it's like saying at the drive in is a dallas band

Now that I think about it I do see that geographically and culturally, Champaign-Urbana basically is in relation to Chicago and the rest of the state what Austin is to the Dallas/Fort Worth area in our state. Duh.

brendo_91
10-16-2010, 10:08 AM
Edit: hmm...The Superjesus isn't bad.

Their first album is the only one that sounds SP-ish... the lead guitarist quit after that album (because he and the singer broke up). Their second album is ok. Their third album is utter horseshit.

pugghead
10-16-2010, 01:07 PM
MCR anyone?

Eulogy
10-16-2010, 01:18 PM
Now that I think about it I do see that geographically and culturally, Champaign-Urbana basically is in relation to Chicago and the rest of the state what Austin is to the Dallas/Fort Worth area in our state. Duh.

As far as the degree of difference goes, yeah, that's probably about right.

Astur
10-16-2010, 01:54 PM
MCR anyone?

no one

ilikeplanets
10-16-2010, 03:00 PM
ahahaha

stumpycat
10-17-2010, 12:16 AM
MCR anyone?

Err...no thanks.:hurl:

Rider
10-17-2010, 12:41 AM
No. The cultural gulf between Chicago and Champaign does not exist between Aberdeen and Seattle.

And you know this how?

DiscoJon
10-17-2010, 04:58 AM
Listening to you midwest asshole fucks compare Aberdeen and Seattle makes me LO FUCKING L.

Trotskilicious
10-17-2010, 06:48 AM
Now that I think about it I do see that geographically and culturally, Champaign-Urbana basically is in relation to Chicago and the rest of the state what Austin is to the Dallas/Fort Worth area in our state. Duh.

ATDI is from El Paso

Trotskilicious
10-17-2010, 06:48 AM
(Texas represent!)

stumpycat
10-17-2010, 10:22 PM
ATDI is from El Paso

Yeah I know. Cedric's mom was a professor at UTEP, too...or I think that I read that. I'm not sure why they wanted to move to Mexico with Mars Volta though...I suppose that I do not understand the thought process of anyone who would deliberately move to Mexico.

Spaldz
10-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Cyclefly.

I took a lot of drugs at a festival once and thought I'd died and was watching SP resurrected. I reckon it was just because the singer was bald and he had a stupidly high voice like Billy's...that was about it.

Trotskilicious
10-18-2010, 01:09 PM
Yeah I know. Cedric's mom was a professor at UTEP, too...or I think that I read that. I'm not sure why they wanted to move to Mexico with Mars Volta though...I suppose that I do not understand the thought process of anyone who would deliberately move to Mexico.

They're douchey rich kids that wanna be revolutionaries.

I mean not that I don't love relationship of command but cedric and omar are textbook douchebags