View Full Version : hELLO kITTY kAT


Trotskilicious
10-06-2010, 04:38 PM
GREAT SONG OR GREATEST SONG

dean_r_koontz
10-06-2010, 04:40 PM
too many notes

SpFission
10-06-2010, 04:54 PM
Good song

Trotskilicious
10-06-2010, 05:15 PM
BOTH OF YOU ARE WRONG

vbshlofbvgos
10-06-2010, 05:24 PM
and to think it was a fucking b side

ilikeplanets
10-06-2010, 06:14 PM
I like this song but what they hell is he REALLY saying in the chorus? The beginning is cool but I don't like the ending solo much...they keep repeating it. Def. a B-side but it is a b-side that is far greater than many other band's main hits.

Trotskilicious
10-06-2010, 06:16 PM
who gives a shit it's shoegaze with awesomer drums and cock rock guitar solos

serriously i love that hollow crack of the drums in this track. fuckin jimmy FUK YEH

arCHI
10-06-2010, 07:30 PM
I like this song but what they hell is he REALLY saying in the chorus? The beginning is cool but I don't like the ending solo much...they keep repeating it. Def. a B-side but it is a b-side that is far greater than many other band's main hits.

Lyrics (http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=70&song_type=-1)

the ending is the best part in my mind. its completely gratuitous, which makes it perfect. plus how do you not get even the slightest of chills from the build and release at the very end?

songs over...

Eulogy
10-06-2010, 07:32 PM
It really is a fucking awesome song. Probably in my top ten. And I don't know that I would have said that 5 years ago.

vbshlofbvgos
10-06-2010, 07:54 PM
It really is a fucking awesome song. Probably in my top ten. And I don't know that I would have said that 5 years ago.

why? whats changed in five years?

Monet LSD
10-06-2010, 07:57 PM
gotta love the different ending-extended outro on the Mashed Potatoes version

CrabbMan
10-06-2010, 08:09 PM
Billy's best use of the word fuck.

JUnderscore
10-06-2010, 11:14 PM
Great song. I've been playing PI a lot lately and appreciate it far more now than I did 10 years ago. If it weren't for Starla, I'd be calling it my favorite song on PI.

paranoid
10-06-2010, 11:29 PM
in my mind the definitive sp track for 1991-1994. so yeah, GREATEST TRACK.

Tchocky
10-07-2010, 09:41 AM
Love it.

yoshinobu's revenge
10-07-2010, 11:09 PM
Has been a top 5 SP track for me for a long time.

antiskum
10-07-2010, 11:57 PM
totes rad

applepwnz
10-08-2010, 09:02 AM
Definitely my favorite song on PI, probably a top 10 overall

Slurpee
10-08-2010, 10:36 AM
Looking forward to the show where they play HINW->HKK->Marquis ! Probably the next tour, right guys?

ilikeplanets
10-08-2010, 01:05 PM
Fer sure!

Spira|_
10-08-2010, 02:06 PM
What a d0pe song!
That buzz and that vocal are Smashing Pumpkins.

This song brings me so pretty memories. So cool times... :smoke::cool:

dammit paul
10-08-2010, 03:33 PM
The Smashing Pumpkins - "Hello Kitty Kat" < PopMatters (http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/112932-the-smashing-pumpkins-hello-kitty-kat/)

If I were to pick a definitive Smashing Pumpkins song, it would be the overlooked nugget “Hello Kitty Kat”, originally released as a b-side to the single “Today” in 1993, and later rounded up as part of the 1994 rarities compilation Pisces Iscariot. To me, the best Pumpkins songs always resembled huge swaths of color. The group was never afraid to be vulnerable or full-on rock monsters, and often did both in the same song, all while constructing walls of melodic guitar fuzz that built up to explosive finishes. “Hello Kitty Kat” is the Pumpkins at their best, incorporating all those factors while firing on all cylinders on a roller coaster of a song until the track practically collapses in on itself.

Speaking of melodic guitar fuzz, “Hello Kitty Kat” is sick with it. It’s no coincidence that frontman Billy Corgan’s best material was written between 1990 and 1996, a period when the man seemed inseparable from his Big Muff guitar pedal. Unlike lesser alt-rock guitarists, Corgan knew how to use the pedal in a way that the tone it generated enhanced his guitar parts instead of overwhelming them. The sounds Corgan coaxed out of his Fender Stratocaster thus served as the perfect missing link between psychedelia and grunge. That’s why I can never get hung up on Corgan’s nasally vocals like many of the band’s detractors do. At their artistic height the Pumpkins’ chief strengths were A) the guitars, and B) the arrangements. The more focus on both of those aspects, the better the song generally turned out. On “Hello Kitty Kat”, Corgan’s vocals are mixed unusually low, sounding insubstantial next to the architectural wonder he has constructed with his arsenal of guitar tracks.

The basic riff for the song is catchy enough that Corgan could’ve based the entire song around it. But he didn’t, instead writing a track that seems intent on progressively topping itself. “Hello Kitty Kat” really begins to kick in when the band hits the chorus. There, Corgan sings the lines “Yeah, yeah / You know I hate to say / Oh no, I always stay / I don’t want to be like the others please” with a swooping, winding delivery. It’s unbelievably hook-laden, to the point where I don’t understand why this song wasn’t released as a single, much less not included on the tracklist for the band’s second album, Siamese Dream (1993). Still, that’s just the first verse and chorus. Corgan drives the band into the second verse with a screeching psychedelic guitar fill, upping the angst factor with the lyrics “Slit my wrist and die a whore / Love to love to love what you adore”. After the second chorus’ cry of “Who’s sorry now?”, the song kicks into overdrive as Corgan unleashes a new pummeling riff and seethes “My love is sadness / My love is oh so wrong / My love is sadness / My love is oh so strong”.

After the barest of pauses, drummer Jimmy Chamberlin knocks out some tom fills and Corgan launches into quite possibly his greatest guitar solo ever. As the backing riff lurches back and forth, Corgan strangles his Strat to conjure a gradually ascending set of licks that threaten to turn into white noise at any moment. Then at the precipice of the section, Corgan’s solo dives up and down like a bomber, soaring back into the final chorus. Even after all that, the song’s not about to pull back. Corgan repeatedly screams “Who’s sorry now?” louder than he has any other line in the song, then lets loose every remaining guitar fill he’s been holding back before the song collapses in a heap. Amid the errant notes at the end, what else could Corgan do but shrug out the words “Song’s over”?

It’s because of songs like this I’m willing to put up with dreck like Zeitgeist.

Eulogy
10-08-2010, 05:43 PM
why? whats changed in five years?

....my level of appreciation for the song?

Ihaguitar
10-08-2010, 05:59 PM
I prefer Pissant

ilikeplanets
10-08-2010, 07:06 PM
I prefer Pissant

:rofl:

rolmos
01-09-2011, 02:25 PM
Relevant NSFW link:

http://i.imgur.com/TI5dc.jpg

redbull
01-09-2011, 02:49 PM
the MP version of this song is fucking insane

AveryLoren
01-09-2011, 08:46 PM
Relevant NSFW link:

http://i.imgur.com/TI5dc.jpg

Moar?

Trotskilicious
01-09-2011, 08:53 PM
haha you're a fur huh avery

AveryLoren
01-09-2011, 09:58 PM
No Comment

Venom
01-10-2011, 01:37 PM
Hai kitty kat.

obscured1
01-12-2011, 05:41 AM
it's all about those drum rolls jimmy busts out.

prolly my favorite track drums wise.

Space Girl 1979
01-12-2011, 12:14 PM
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5420/ohkitty.jpg

DeadOpera
01-12-2011, 12:37 PM
you could make a nice fur coat out of those BC cats

iPumpkin
01-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Who doesn't love some F#?

BumbleBeeMouth
01-31-2011, 07:57 PM
Billy's best use of the word fuck.

nuh uh, marquis in spades!

Shallowed
05-12-2011, 05:06 PM
HOLY FUCK SHIT YEAH I FEEL LIKE I'M BREAKING MY NECK WITH WHIPLASH FROM DRIVING 0-100 KPH IN 2 SECONDS.

purrrrrsnickety
05-17-2011, 09:38 PM
One of my favorites. The 1992 demo is so good.

Trotskilicious
05-18-2011, 12:09 AM
YUUUUP

TuralyonW3
05-18-2011, 12:16 AM
one of my faves. mix is just a tad fucked though (Billy said that's why he left it off SD)

Venom
05-18-2011, 01:13 AM
Yeah, but the SD promo cassette has a different mix where the distortion doesn't completely fuck over the vocals which in my opinion is better than the released version on the single/Pisces.

Trotskilicious
05-18-2011, 01:33 AM
fuck vocals noise forever

arCHI
05-18-2011, 12:22 PM
agreed.

arCHI
05-18-2011, 12:30 PM
after giving it a listen: the overwhelming fuzz going into the bridge is just amazing. mixing technique be damned!

Venom
05-18-2011, 03:59 PM
Pfft. I like distortion as much as the next person, but in my opinion it shouldn't drown out the vocals. However, in this case I do like the released version of Kitty Kat. Just wish it could be both ways. Hell, I bet it was Billy's idea to mix it that way in the first place after leaving it off SD.

Elvis The Fat Years
05-18-2011, 04:18 PM
It's no Radiohead.

RockLobster
05-18-2011, 04:58 PM
hello kitty kat > radiohead.

Shallowed
05-18-2011, 06:51 PM
in my opinion it shouldn't drown out the vocals.

Not to be totally cliché, but THAT IS JUST YOUR OPINION. I am a massive fan of drowned out vocals.

RenewRevive
05-18-2011, 07:22 PM
wouldn't have hurt Zeitgeist, amiright?

Shallowed
05-18-2011, 08:06 PM
:(

Trotskilicious
05-18-2011, 08:09 PM
Pfft. I like distortion as much as the next person, but in my opinion it shouldn't drown out the vocals.

no one cares about your opinion.

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Venom
05-18-2011, 09:39 PM
wouldn't have hurt Zeitgeist, amiright?
You got a point there.

no one cares about your opinion.

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That album cover sucks balls.

FoolofaTook
05-18-2011, 09:57 PM
You deserve to be hanged. Everything about that album is absolutely perfect.

Shallowed
05-18-2011, 10:02 PM
You deserve to be hanged. Everything about that album is absolutely perfect.

<faskfhags>

duovamp
05-18-2011, 10:14 PM
GREAT SONG OR GREATEST SONG

Fucking. Incredible. Song.


Been sayin' it fer years.

exactlythesame
05-18-2011, 10:42 PM
That album cover sucks balls.

hey fuck you very much

Venom
05-19-2011, 12:29 AM
Oh yeah!

Trotskilicious
05-19-2011, 02:15 AM
That album cover sucks balls.

thanks for just making yourself out to be a totally clueless asshead.

Trotskilicious
05-19-2011, 02:17 AM
i love how SP fans don't even know what the sound is built on, like it occured in some kind of vacuum

I nearly love that as much as I love pumpkins fans who still don't think SP was pop, like they're some kind of weird underground band. I mean I guess the young fans would think this but ffs

RenewRevive
05-19-2011, 08:20 AM
I nearly love that as much as I love pumpkins fans who still don't think SP was pop, like they're some kind of weird underground band.

as far as the UK is concerned they never had a hit single, so they are not exactly regarded as pop over here. i think tonight tonight was the only top-ten charting.

Trotskilicious
05-19-2011, 07:51 PM
Blur was never big over here, are you going to tell me that doesn't make them an enormous pop band?

RenewRevive
05-20-2011, 08:57 AM
it is a subjective term. there are plenty of unsuccessful "pop" bands - lack of commercial success doesn't make them any more indie/alternative whatever. i guess any band that releases a single is almost by definition pop. thinking about it did the pumpkins have big hit singles in any major market? i seem to recall billy saying as much in an interview during the mcis-era and they sure didn't have any hits after that time period.

when does a band cross-over into pop anyway - is it a distinct shift in their sound, or just popularity, or having hit singles? in which case Zeppelin qualify by being enormously popular. nobody would call nirvana pop band when bleach was released but 2 years later they were a huge pop band. but was in utero a pop record, even though their profile was just as big?

FoolofaTook
05-20-2011, 10:14 AM
these are worthy queries

Trotskilicious
05-20-2011, 07:02 PM
the minute they record I Am One

Trotskilicious
05-20-2011, 07:03 PM
i really wish you guys would drop this grunge era pop = bad bullshit

Trotskilicious
05-20-2011, 07:20 PM
thinking about it did the pumpkins have big hit singles in any major market? i seem to recall billy saying as much in an interview during the mcis-era and they sure didn't have any hits after that time period.


<i>Is this some kind of joke</I>. I know you're English and shit but ffs.

stumpycat
05-21-2011, 02:52 AM
I like that question, though...when does it become "pop"? I'd say, generally, when something either a) transcends and disperses into the general, (mainly youth) trend driven cultural market or b) mimics the predominant style of this contemporary market.

Trotskilicious
05-21-2011, 03:07 AM
No, it's when it's a catchy song with simple structure and a memorable chorus. I Am One, Disarm, Cherub Rock, 1979, Tonight Tonight...

1979 was written explicitly to be a monster pop song.

I mean besides the fact that SP is pop even according to your definition.

RenewRevive
05-21-2011, 08:18 AM
<i>Is this some kind of joke</I>. I know you're English and shit but ffs.

hey now cowboy!

i'm not talking about mtv or airplay here, but actual sales?

Trotskilicious
05-21-2011, 10:17 PM
i dunno 14 million i thought was the MCIS total, for a double album. They played huge venues. I mean seriously they were the biggest band in the world from 1995-1996 and then everyone jumped off the bandwagon when the songs from the movies and then the adore stuff came out.

1979 and Tonight Tonight were two of the biggest pop crossover hits of 1995 & 1996. Seriously dude, those songs...almost everyone that listened to rock knows those songs. Even the black kids were telling me "Oh you like the Smashing Pumpkins? That 1979 song is the jam."

if you're talking about singles sales those haven't honestly mattered since the days of 7" vinyl and motown. ffs.

stumpycat
05-22-2011, 01:34 AM
No, it's when it's a catchy song with simple structure and a memorable chorus. I Am One, Disarm, Cherub Rock, 1979, Tonight Tonight...

1979 was written explicitly to be a monster pop song.

I mean besides the fact that SP is pop even according to your definition.

Well definitely a song like 1979 is pop by definition of its style and then perhaps even some of the heavier MCIS songs because of their ability to fit within a favored style of the time and gain favor with a relatively large mainstream audience to the point that numerous pop culture references in mediums besides music were made to the band.

But I Am One...I still have trouble seeing how that is really pop. What ISN'T pop to you, then? By your definition basically most rock music would be pop. To me, pop is really one of those things that...you know it when you hear it.

Trotskilicious
05-22-2011, 04:23 AM
you're just trying to pretend like what you like isn't mainstream as fuck

RenewRevive
05-22-2011, 09:35 AM
i dunno 14 million i thought was the MCIS total, for a double album. They played huge venues. I mean seriously they were the biggest band in the world from 1995-1996 and then everyone jumped off the bandwagon when the songs from the movies and then the adore stuff came out.

1979 and Tonight Tonight were two of the biggest pop crossover hits of 1995 & 1996. Seriously dude, those songs...almost everyone that listened to rock knows those songs. Even the black kids were telling me "Oh you like the Smashing Pumpkins? That 1979 song is the jam."

if you're talking about singles sales those haven't honestly mattered since the days of 7" vinyl and motown. ffs.

okay i will concede that at one point in the mid 90s they were indeed a huge pop band. like i said though - and obviously this is an insular viewl - i never got the impression they were that big over here in cloudy old britain. i think the preponderance of album sales for the band have been in the US - i doubt their profile in the rest of the world is as big as you think it was.

as re: singles i am by no means an expert on pop culture (no sniggering there at the back!) but surely the success of huge mainstream pop acts like Gaga etc is singles-driven? not talking about people buying CD singles, watching MTV, listening to the radio or whatever. i mean how many albums do they shift (whether physical or digital) anyways? and aren't most albums by pop acts of whatever genre just delivery media for collections of singles - much like in the 50s and early 60s?

to add to what stumpy is saying though it seems like your definition of a pop song is that it has a discernible melody and/or hook.

Trotskilicious
05-22-2011, 05:02 PM
you know the point that they weren't "that big in Britain" is again moot, because Blur wasn't big in america at all except for Song #2 which hilariously was making fun of american music but that doesn't make them underground or anything.

yeah sure itunes singles are unit movers whatever, I just don't think it's really been any different than it used to be and you all are really just trying to figure out ways to pretend like you didn't jump on the bandwagon of an incredibly famous and well known band.

Ihaguitar
05-22-2011, 05:20 PM
I remember back when the Disarm single was released in the UK, it co-incided with the murder of Jamie Bulger by two 11 year old boys. Because of the lyrics a lot of radio stations decided not to play it, and I reckon that stopped SP being huge in the UK.

Catherine Wheel
05-22-2011, 05:40 PM
from Wikipedia

The BBC banned the song from appearing on Top of the Pops, because of the lyric "cut that little child", and it received little radio airplay in the United Kingdom.[2] That lyric along with lyrics like "what I choose is my choice" and "the killer in me is the killer in you" has also led to some controversy, as some read it as implying that abortion is murder. Corgan, however, has clearly asserted that the song is about the shaky relationship he had with his parents while growing up.[3] However, even with the ban and the limited radio time, it still peaked at number eleven on the UK Singles Chart.

RenewRevive
05-22-2011, 07:34 PM
you all are really just trying to figure out ways to pretend like you didn't jump on the bandwagon of an incredibly famous and well known band.

hey we can disagree. it's all good. but i could give two shits about how popular a band is, it's not as if i even knew anybody who was on about them being a great band or anything.

stumpycat
05-22-2011, 11:30 PM
you're just trying to pretend like what you like isn't mainstream as fuck

Not really...some of what I like is definitely in the mainstream and some is not. Most of the music in the mainstream right now I can't stand because of the style that is popular right now. It's not bad when the styles I favor actually end up in the mainstream, though, because it's nice and convenient like when the stores start carrying all the styles and colors I happen to like and I don't have to go sort through ebay or goodwill to find something that is a match to my specific preferences.

Oh, wait...this conversation is really about your definition of "pop", not the definition of "mainstream"...as I think we're in perfectly sound agreement about the latter. Does your entire argument here hinge of the premise that pop = mainstream? For example, Tool is obviously a mainstream band, but how the fuck would they be categorized as pop by any stretch of the imagination? It must be your privileged Austin view of music. Either that, or what I guess you might call the very straight laced definition of pop provided by university level musicologists.

I do know that Billy's true ambition was always to be part of the rock-pop mainstream.

Trotskilicious
05-22-2011, 11:34 PM
i dunno what the argument is the pumpkins wrote pop music and were hugely mainstream!!!

Rocket Launcher
05-24-2011, 05:51 AM
can't embed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcIwf5611ko&NR=1

stumpycat
05-25-2011, 12:58 AM
LOL, they would put that on a Squier.

IWishIWasBlank
06-03-2011, 08:45 AM
I would comment, but I'm confused by the capitalization in the forum topic.

IWishIWasBlank
06-10-2011, 03:42 PM
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Shallowed
06-10-2011, 05:20 PM
Press caps lock and start typing, it will all make sense.