View Full Version : who are Billy's fans these days?


Ihaguitar
08-27-2010, 01:26 AM
What sort of people are they? Are they mostly younger people who discovered him in the last few years or have they stayed with him since the 90s? Are they mostly church goers? How many fans does he have now compared to 2000?

Also, what sort of people are going to his current shows?

vbshlofbvgos
08-27-2010, 02:58 AM
take a survey and then masturbate all over the findings

TuralyonW3
08-27-2010, 03:20 AM
mormons

TuralyonW3
08-27-2010, 03:20 AM
named montelds

Starla
08-27-2010, 06:17 AM
it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff. who's here because they only want to troll this place.

jimmy drevpile
08-27-2010, 07:29 AM
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/corganwrestler.jpg

Ihaguitar
08-27-2010, 12:12 PM
it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff. who's here because they only want to troll this place.

Everyone? Depends on your definition of "troll". Yours is a bit loose.

redbreegull
08-27-2010, 12:31 PM
What sort of people are they? Are they mostly younger people who discovered him in the last few years or have they stayed with him since the 90s? Are they mostly church goers? How many fans does he have now compared to 2000?

Also, what sort of people are going to his current shows?

I HOPE THEY AREN'T ISLAMS

stumpycat
08-27-2010, 11:20 PM
I think they're mostly a lot of the older fans, in their late 20's and early 30's, who remember the band and their music very fondly but really don't keep up obsessively with their travails (at least certainly not on the internet) much beyond that. For the most part they don't seem hypercritical of the musical output either.

Ihaguitar
08-28-2010, 04:49 AM
I think they're mostly a lot of the older fans, in their late 20's and early 30's, who remember the band and their music very fondly but really don't keep up obsessively with their travails (at least certainly not on the internet) much beyond that. For the most part they don't seem hypercritical of the musical output either.

True but I wonder what proportion of the fans from the 90s still go to his concerts. I went in 2007 and that will be the last unless he changes.

Gish08
08-28-2010, 08:08 AM
-MonteLDS
-Random people on the o-board

aldango
08-28-2010, 11:48 AM
recently I've met lots of younger fans... college aged people who have usually never seen the band and just got into them recently

Eulogy
08-28-2010, 12:29 PM
Ihaguitar really asking the hard-hitting questions here.

AndySlash
08-28-2010, 01:05 PM
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/corganwrestler.jpg

<img src=http://en.terra.com/addon/img/0818953e-AP1008271833p.jpg>

more here: Billy Corgan Does Lucha Libre On Stage - Music | Terra (http://en.terra.com/music/pictures/billy_corgan_does_lucha_libre_on_stage/50501)

is that la parka in some of these (the skeleton guy)? that guy was great back in the day.

Ihaguitar
08-28-2010, 01:24 PM
Ihaguitar really asking the hard-hitting questions here.

Somebody has to.

sjpaterra
08-28-2010, 01:34 PM
Well, i got on the pumpkins bandwagon in '93. I heard siamese dream and, like everyone else, my mind was BLOWN! I was 16 at the time and the bulk of my listening was Led Zeppelin, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Yes, etc etc... i played guitar so was very "rock-friendly". I had been aware of bands like Pearl Jam and Nirvana (never got to see nirvana, though I did see pearl jam in 1993... for the first time) but was mostly a "classic rock" kid, for lack of a better term.

I've seen the band on almost every tour since 1993... except for the ones where they don't come to canada, but even still, I saw them in Ybor City so sometimes I'll make the trek. I think what it comes down to is that I'm still here. I'm new to the 'phoria board, however. I still go to the shows, I still buy the albums, I'm probably more critical than the next guy... but as an artist who never quite made a lving doing it (but jesus fuck did i try... now im a teacher, in case you were wondering... and i dont go to church) i really do appreciate what Billy's doing in the big scheme of things

I'm a HUGE neil young fan and like most, i LOVE the work he did up until about 1979 (ha), Rust Never Sleeps... after that it gets blurry but I still buy the albums and see him tour even though I KNOW i'm not going to hear On The Beach or Revolution Blues... but in my eyes Neil and Corgan (im not comparing the two) have the same devotion to their muse and vision... I admire that greatly because the truth is unless youve been a starving artist, you can't possibly imagine what it really takes to be persistent and true to that vision, to the point where you can make a living doing it... let alone once youve established yourself and have to hear people bitch and complain about what youre NOT doing...

Anyway, I had a point... my point was that I admire not so much the artist or specific works, but the whole idea/concept/vision of the career... I think why I'm still here is also becase I kind of feel like SP is "my band"... I do have an emotional connection to it mainly because Billy did (successfully) what I was always trying to do... put everything I love (coincidentally Billy's taste, more or less, mostly less) into ONE band... I don't know, I've invested so much in the band I can appreciate someone who falls on his own sword just to say "fuck the rest of you, im trying". People just don't do that anymore... and if they do, they aren't successful in doing so (ME!)

i'm finished now.

Ihaguitar
08-28-2010, 02:10 PM
Decent post there, thanks.

eyesofruby32
08-28-2010, 03:14 PM
I think they're mostly a lot of the older fans, in their late 20's and early 30's, who remember the band and their music very fondly but really don't keep up obsessively with their travails (at least certainly not on the internet) much beyond that. For the most part they don't seem hypercritical of the musical output either.

Older is right. I'm in my early thirties. Being in Maine, we didn't get hardly any exposure to new music outside of MTV. It kind of sucked. We didn't have an "alternative" radio station other than obscure college stations until 1994 or 95. The first time I ever heard of SP was I think in the spring of '94. I got home from school, turned on MTV, and at some point the "Cherub Rock" video aired. There was this gangly dude with preppy-like hair, wearing a psychedelic shirt, jamming in a mind-bending forest with the band. At first thought I was like, "wow, this is a great song." Eventually, I saw "Today,", and "Disarm," and my brother got the CD. It always sucked that it had to be MTV that exposed me and my brothers to new music. I mean, Siamese Dream came out in July '93, and I didn't know of that until like March or April of '94.

Anyhow, I am the kind of fan who will stick behind a band, even if the newer material isn't as strong as the old stuff.

stumpycat
08-29-2010, 12:33 AM
True but I wonder what proportion of the fans from the 90s still go to his concerts. I went in 2007 and that will be the last unless he changes.

Oh, my bad. I was talking specifically of the people who go to concerts.

stumpycat
08-29-2010, 12:40 AM
recently I've met lots of younger fans... college aged people who have usually never seen the band and just got into them recently

Really? That's very interesting. Has "90's retro" hit the teen generation or something, in the same way that 70's retro did for teens who came of age in the mid/late 1990s?

Trotskilicious
08-29-2010, 03:03 AM
no the culture is just that stagnant

eyesofruby32
08-29-2010, 10:41 AM
no the culture is just that stagnant

Exactly.

eyesofruby32
08-29-2010, 10:50 AM
Really? That's very interesting. Has "90's retro" hit the teen generation or something, in the same way that 70's retro did for teens who came of age in the mid/late 1990s?

My twenty-year old cousin likes SP, and has an incredible appreciation for some older music; a couple of other teenage cousins probably have never heard of SP. I think the '90's in general are lost upon the younger, mainstream crowd. They don't have any idea of how music impacted culture in the way that it did. They're growing up in a time where socialites and American Idol cardboard cutouts dominate the media. And fabrications like The Jonas Brothers are seen as rock idols. Rock... is... dead...

stumpycat
08-29-2010, 10:50 PM
My perceptions could be inaccurate, but I swear that even in the mid 90's the music wasn't generally geared towards selling records to preteens and young teens as a major part of its market in the way it is today.

Trotskilicious
08-30-2010, 02:40 AM
no it was anyone that says otherwise is fucking dumb. i mean you go dig up those first records from the beatles and the rolling stones and tell me that shit wasn't marketed by guys in suits back then

it's always the case

here's why the culture is stagnant though: it seems all the radio stations play old shit unless it's top 40 or rap. I dunno maybe it's different elsewhere but in Austin and San Antonio both of the major rock stations mostly play stuff from the 90s. KISS in SA is all about Metallica, NIN, Nirvana, all that shit and then 101X in austin plays a bunch of Radiohead, SP, and Nirvana. I mean 101X throws in some Modest Mouse and stuff but they added it to the playlist at least 5-6 years after it was new. I certainly don't remember them playing Dramamine when that album dropped.

Seriously guys, since the burst of "THE" bands at the beginning of the millennium what was the last big event in rock? The only one of those bands that has any profile anymore is the Stripes anyway. The Strokes and The Vines are nearly forgotten about. I guess you can say Nickelback and the post grunge wankery but that just underscores how completely stagnant popular rock music is. It's cut paste assemble grungy rock.

So young music fans start listening to the radio, as I think we all did, they're listening to what was new 15-20 years ago.

Trotskilicious
08-30-2010, 02:43 AM
i should also mention that it seems like people's careers sink faster than ever.

redbull
08-30-2010, 04:13 AM
no it was anyone that says otherwise is fucking dumb. i mean you go dig up those first records from the beatles and the rolling stones and tell me that shit wasn't marketed by guys in suits back then

it's always the case

here's why the culture is stagnant though: it seems all the radio stations play old shit unless it's top 40 or rap. I dunno maybe it's different elsewhere but in Austin and San Antonio both of the major rock stations mostly play stuff from the 90s. KISS in SA is all about Metallica, NIN, Nirvana, all that shit and then 101X in austin plays a bunch of Radiohead, SP, and Nirvana. I mean 101X throws in some Modest Mouse and stuff but they added it to the playlist at least 5-6 years after it was new. I certainly don't remember them playing Dramamine when that album dropped.

Seriously guys, since the burst of "THE" bands at the beginning of the millennium what was the last big event in rock? The only one of those bands that has any profile anymore is the Stripes anyway. The Strokes and The Vines are nearly forgotten about. I guess you can say Nickelback and the post grunge wankery but that just underscores how completely stagnant popular rock music is. It's cut paste assemble grungy rock.

So young music fans start listening to the radio, as I think we all did, they're listening to what was new 15-20 years ago.


you're completely ignoring the fragmentation that the internet has brought

i mean maybe it's just me but it seems like most people around here are just as likely to be into phoenix, arcade fire and mgmt as they are SP, nirvana, and NIN

but if you're not really into the whole internet thing, I can definitely relate to what you said about the radio stations pushing BS, especially early-mid 90s alt rock. There are two solid college stations here, and then a "rock" station (clear channel I think) that plays stp and metallica 24/7

soniclovenoize
08-30-2010, 07:19 AM
My perceptions could be inaccurate, but I swear that even in the mid 90's the music wasn't generally geared towards selling records to preteens and young teens as a major part of its market in the way it is today.

No, it was. It's just that we didn't know any better because we were the teens back then. :p

They fucking served it to us, we fucking ate it up. Live, Stone Temple Pilots, Smash Mouth, Seven Mary Three... Smashing Pumpkins.

The truth hurts.

Ihaguitar
08-30-2010, 02:17 PM
No, it was. It's just that we didn't know any better because we were the teens back then. :p

They fucking served it to us, we fucking ate it up. Live, Stone Temple Pilots, Smash Mouth, Seven Mary Three... Smashing Pumpkins.

The truth hurts.

Yeah, it's always been the same. If anything the kids of today have freer access to decent music through the internet than kids in the 90s did. Now you really have no excuse, the good music is just a few key strikes away.

redbull
08-30-2010, 02:58 PM
i've only been to one frat party in my life, the first song played when I walked in was Fire it Up by Modest Mouse

Ihaguitar
08-30-2010, 03:12 PM
What's a frat party?

soniclovenoize
08-30-2010, 03:49 PM
Yeah, it's always been the same. If anything the kids of today have freer access to decent music through the internet than kids in the 90s did. Now you really have no excuse, the good music is just a few key strikes away.

Ha! That's true! Never thought of that...

lucid_interval
08-30-2010, 04:06 PM
i'm still a big fan, but most of the newer fans or people on the o-board are either

1. stupid
2. ignorant
3. annoying
4. don't know how to use the search feature to check if their question has been answered before (same as 1 really)

The Omega Concern
08-30-2010, 04:20 PM
There was no teenage market until Salinger's Catcher in the Rye. After that came Elvis, the Beatles and it hasn't stopped since and that includes the dearly beloved Pumpkins as well, with all the rest of the bands riding in on Nirvana's breakthrough into the mainstream.


Can't imagine what atom-splitting device could bust through these days to get good rock popular again...heh...

soniclovenoize
08-30-2010, 04:29 PM
Can't imagine what atom-splitting device could bust through these days to get good rock popular again...heh...

Who even cares what's popular?

samuel redman
08-30-2010, 05:11 PM
popular is just another word for idiots

The Omega Concern
08-30-2010, 05:15 PM
depends on the meme being thrown out...


lady gg, katy perry et. al can have their place, but with the world being transformed the way it is, outside of what Billy has said here and there, I only see Muse as an established band encouraging their fans to become aware of said social transformation by encouraging their fan base to visit Infowars.


it matters because it's controlled and if you don't want to be controlled, you should care on some level what the masses around you are being brainwashed with.

redbull
08-30-2010, 06:30 PM
infowars? something tells me most muse fans aren't big on retarded fucking bullshit unless it's a muse song.

Trotskilicious
08-30-2010, 07:16 PM
they'll be on it for a few minutes waiting for the next arpeggio and get bored

Trotskilicious
08-30-2010, 07:22 PM
you're completely ignoring the fragmentation that the internet has brought

i mean maybe it's just me but it seems like most people around here are just as likely to be into phoenix, arcade fire and mgmt as they are SP, nirvana, and NIN

well i'm talking about teenagers really. the whole concept of "college rock" in the late 80s was people getting out of their normal habits because they were at school, i think it still maintains now. Even if the college station here, KUT, is for fucking geezers.

I think most people that are really into music and don't just treat it like mindless bullshit tend to branch from radio out to the internet. You have to define what you like and dig around a bit. I think 20somethings are much more broad in their appreciation of music than teenagers. I'm not sure teens are really frothing at the mouth for the latest Arcade Fire or the National album. But, I could also be entirely wrong since I don't know many teenagers. Last one I actually had any sort of exchange with was a temp at work and she was all into Drake and that kind of bullshit but she also liked Phoenix so go figure. All I'm saying is that nearly every 20 something "hipster" started out with alt rock radio and progressed from there, and these days when you start with alt rock radio it's the same shit from 15 years ago.

lastly, you can just do a random thread sampling around here and there's so many people that are like "oh music's all shit these days i'm going to go listen to frogstomp" so no matter how easily accessible new music is to people, some people are still going to clutch to their nostalgic bullshit, and that's exactly what clear channel is banking on.

soniclovenoize
08-30-2010, 07:27 PM
depends on the meme being thrown out...


lady gg, katy perry et. al can have their place, but with the world being transformed the way it is, outside of what Billy has said here and there, I only see Muse as an established band encouraging their fans to become aware of said social transformation by encouraging their fan base to visit Infowars.


it matters because it's controlled and if you don't want to be controlled, you should care on some level what the masses around you are being brainwashed with.

That's nice because I'm an isolationist. I totally seperate myself from the others by listening to old Elephant 6 records.

BTW Muse is just another mind-control band. I think your brain has already been washed...

Cityto
08-30-2010, 09:24 PM
I'm way young for a pumpkins fan... most people my age listen to that pop crap that makes my ears bleed... I love all the 90's stuff: Smashing Pumpkins (duh), Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, The Offspring, Red Hot Chili Peppers, etc.
In my opinion, they've gone downhill a bit, but not because the rest of the band isn't there. Billy Corgan *is* the Smashing Pumpkins, everyone else is just there because he does not have 8 arms...
So, yeah, I think Billy Corgan is pretty awesome.

soniclovenoize
08-30-2010, 09:35 PM
You must have an adult with you to enter Netphoria...

Cityto
08-30-2010, 09:38 PM
The Strokes and The Vines are nearly forgotten about.

Hey hey hey, don't be saying that about The Strokes! Those guys are great, they've got an album coming out this year.

Trotskilicious
08-30-2010, 09:55 PM
yes i've been hearing the fanfare...oh wait

Trotskilicious
08-30-2010, 09:56 PM
sad, i dunno if it's a troll or case-in-point.

the offspring seem to only live on clear channel

redbull
08-30-2010, 10:25 PM
I'm way young for a pumpkins fan... most people my age listen to that pop crap that makes my ears bleed... I love all the 90's stuff: Smashing Pumpkins (duh), Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, The Offspring, Red Hot Chili Peppers, etc.
In my opinion, they've gone downhill a bit, but not because the rest of the band isn't there. Billy Corgan *is* the Smashing Pumpkins, everyone else is just there because he does not have 8 arms...
So, yeah, I think Billy Corgan is pretty awesome.

you are a fucking idiot

stumpycat
08-30-2010, 10:37 PM
no it was anyone that says otherwise is fucking dumb. i mean you go dig up those first records from the beatles and the rolling stones and tell me that shit wasn't marketed by guys in suits back then

it's always the case

No, it was. It's just that we didn't know any better because we were the teens back then. :p

They fucking served it to us, we fucking ate it up. Live, Stone Temple Pilots, Smash Mouth, Seven Mary Three... Smashing Pumpkins.

The truth hurts.
No, I get that bands have always been marketed to a greater or lesser degree, but it has also been to varying demographics. Bands like the Beatles and Rolling Stones weren't the creation of record companies and didn't originally play to 14 year old girls, but record companies caught on to the popular movement they were creating (as well as those who liked them) and exploited it to its fullest potential to the extent that within a couple of years bands were brought up and engineered to appeal to that market.

By the late 60's and early 1970's you had FM radio stations that were starting to play deep album cuts and some real artsy shit...again, not aimed primarily at mopey 10-15 year old boys and girls for its appeal.

I think the original wave of the alternative rock music was much the same...you had artists truly being artists, not just making poppy party tracks, and there was initially a lot of exploration and freedom, even on what the radio would play. Maybe the most musically curious of the young teens and preteens would listen, but it wasn't aimed at them, per se.

Perhaps it's a small point, but I think it's worth making: rock music was for a long time the domain of the mid-teens to twenties demographic, but when music companies get involved in trying to market a particular movement and work at pumping out as many imitators as possible of this style, the age at which they aim seems to be a few years younger. This might be because, as with most imitations, it's a more simplified, weakly stereotyped, and dumbed-down product that would not impress actual rock connoisseurs but perhaps their younger brothers.

here's why the culture is stagnant though: it seems all the radio stations play old shit unless it's top 40 or rap. I dunno maybe it's different elsewhere but in Austin and San Antonio both of the major rock stations mostly play stuff from the 90s. KISS in SA is all about Metallica, NIN, Nirvana, all that shit and then 101X in austin plays a bunch of Radiohead, SP, and Nirvana. I mean 101X throws in some Modest Mouse and stuff but they added it to the playlist at least 5-6 years after it was new. I certainly don't remember them playing Dramamine when that album dropped.

So young music fans start listening to the radio, as I think we all did, they're listening to what was new 15-20 years ago.


i mean maybe it's just me but it seems like most people around here are just as likely to be into phoenix, arcade fire and mgmt as they are SP, nirvana, and NIN

but if you're not really into the whole internet thing, I can definitely relate to what you said about the radio stations pushing BS, especially early-mid 90s alt rock. There are two solid college stations here, and then a "rock" station (clear channel I think) that plays stp and metallica 24/7
I was happy when the stations around here actually started playing more early/mid 90's rock. I can listen to most of that stuff and enjoy it at least moderately. The only problem is that they tend to play the same damned singles and no album cuts. They should expand the variety and I would be very happy. Most of the new music that ends up getting pushed on the radio--rock or otherwise--I have no taste in whatsoever. Phoenix, Arcade Fir, MGMT...can't say I give a damn about any of those bands or that style in general. So if I have to listen to the radio (and I can't access SIRIUS or my own music collection, which are of course vastly superior alternatives) I'd rather just listen to the old shit, thank you.

Catherine Wheel
08-30-2010, 10:47 PM
Phoenix are horrible. I've never really bothered to give Arcade Fire or MGMT much of a listen.

FlspnutIsCool
08-31-2010, 01:15 AM
well i'm talking about teenagers really. the whole concept of "college rock" in the late 80s was people getting out of their normal habits because they were at school, i think it still maintains now. Even if the college station here, KUT, is for fucking geezers.

I think most people that are really into music and don't just treat it like mindless bullshit tend to branch from radio out to the internet. You have to define what you like and dig around a bit. I think 20somethings are much more broad in their appreciation of music than teenagers. I'm not sure teens are really frothing at the mouth for the latest Arcade Fire or the National album. But, I could also be entirely wrong since I don't know many teenagers. Last one I actually had any sort of exchange with was a temp at work and she was all into Drake and that kind of bullshit but she also liked Phoenix so go figure. All I'm saying is that nearly every 20 something "hipster" started out with alt rock radio and progressed from there, and these days when you start with alt rock radio it's the same shit from 15 years ago.

lastly, you can just do a random thread sampling around here and there's so many people that are like "oh music's all shit these days i'm going to go listen to frogstomp" so no matter how easily accessible new music is to people, some people are still going to clutch to their nostalgic bullshit, and that's exactly what clear channel is banking on.

no you are right about teenagers. im 18 and less than half of the teenagers i know have just heard of the pumpkins. But outside of 1 of my friends, no one has even heard of the pixies, and its a lost cause with my bloody valentine or dinosaur jr and bands like that.

teenager either listen to lil wayne and other rap or bands like sublime, chili peppers, and blink 182. or their into hardcore or screemo. this is excluding a select group who do actually listen to good music.

basically kids teenagers either listen to music that not even the "artist" takes seriously, or music that they think is badass.

slunken
08-31-2010, 01:36 AM
Bands like the Beatles...weren't the creation of record companies and didn't originally play to 14 year old girls, .

Surely you jest.

redbull
08-31-2010, 02:26 AM
hey hardcore and screamo have some A+ bands going

Astur
08-31-2010, 11:23 AM
So, yeah, I think Billy Corgan is pretty awesome.

booooo

icefish
08-31-2010, 12:11 PM
cruising through alternative 3 a 4 years ago i re-discovered this band (mostly zero was a vague memory from times i was to young to be into it)

and its one of my absolute favorite bands !
but money shortage and LIVING IN A SMALL COUNTRY called belgium means NO
SHOWS in our regions.
and i would not be able to aford it either..

FlspnutIsCool
08-31-2010, 03:23 PM
hey hardcore and screamo have some A+ bands going

im not trashing them or anything i just dont get into that very much. i like sublime and the chili peppers occasionally but i cant seriously listen to them anymore

The Omega Concern
08-31-2010, 04:46 PM
originally posted by soniclovenoise:

BTW Muse is just another mind-control band. I think your brain has already been washed...


You clearly don't know anything about Infowars...for Muse to go out there publicly supporting Alex Jones' web-site, takes some balls. I give 'em props for trying to muck up the system not follow it, or they wouldn't be citing Infowars to begin with.

samuel redman
08-31-2010, 05:04 PM
the vines no the strokes once in a while

soniclovenoize
08-31-2010, 05:14 PM
You clearly don't know anything about Infowars...for Muse to go out there publicly supporting Alex Jones' web-site, takes some balls. I give 'em props for trying to muck up the system not follow it, or they wouldn't be citing Infowars to begin with.

No, they wouldn't be playing that style of music to begin with. ;)

I hear what you're saying Omega, but I think citing Muse as an example kinda ruined it. You should have cited, like, Jandek or some other outsider music if your point is about going against the system.

eyesofruby32
08-31-2010, 05:48 PM
Phoenix are horrible. I've never really bothered to give Arcade Fire or MGMT much of a listen.

Who the hell are Phoenix? Haven't bothered with Arcade Fire yet, maybe I'll get around to them. MGMT are your typical rich college kids who think they're a real, druggy rock band. Instead they're just posers. And I could never understand the appeal of Sublime. They have maybe two good songs. Just another frat-boy party band.

soniclovenoize
08-31-2010, 05:59 PM
Who the hell are Phoenix? Haven't bothered with Arcade Fire yet, maybe I'll get around to them. MGMT are your typical rich college kids who think they're a real, druggy rock band. Instead they're just posers. And I could never understand the appeal of Sublime. They have maybe two good songs. Just another frat-boy party band.

Phoenix are meh, MGMT is just kinda derivitive Flaming Lips... But the first two Arcade Fire albums are fucking great. Check it out:
Neon Bible.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?nzxjoydmzd0)

rudi
08-31-2010, 06:06 PM
no the culture is just that stagnant

They're growing up in a time where socialites and American Idol cardboard cutouts dominate the media. And fabrications like The Jonas Brothers are seen as rock idols. Rock... is... dead...

Rock's coverage by mainstream media is dead... and good bands have lost the support of TV, radio, etc. But the "culture" of good music doesn't really die as long as there is good music being made, and there is SO much good music that has come out of the 2000's. The difference is that because it isn't on the radio, there is a much larger group of people who will never know good music.

And this is sad.

popular is just another word for idiots

And this is my favorite quote of the week.

soniclovenoize
08-31-2010, 07:08 PM
Rock's coverage by mainstream media is dead... and good bands have lost the support of TV, radio, etc. But the "culture" of good music doesn't really die as long as there is good music being made, and there is SO much good music that has come out of the 2000's. The difference is that because it isn't on the radio, there is a much larger group of people who will never know good music.


QFT

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 07:20 PM
teenager either listen to lil wayne

lil wayne is awesome

well the carter 3 is balls

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 07:27 PM
I think the original wave of the alternative rock music was much the same...you had artists truly being artists, not just making poppy party tracks, and there was initially a lot of exploration and freedom, even on what the radio would play. Maybe the most musically curious of the young teens and preteens would listen, but it wasn't aimed at them, per se.

I think you're looking at it through rose colored glasses.

lastly, you can just do a random thread sampling around here and there's so many people that are like "oh music's all shit these days i'm going to go listen to frogstomp" so no matter how easily accessible new music is to people, some people are still going to clutch to their nostalgic bullshit, and that's exactly what clear channel is banking on.

I was happy when the stations around here actually started playing more early/mid 90's rock. I can listen to most of that stuff and enjoy it at least moderately. The only problem is that they tend to play the same damned singles and no album cuts. They should expand the variety and I would be very happy. Most of the new music that ends up getting pushed on the radio--rock or otherwise--I have no taste in whatsoever. Phoenix, Arcade Fir, MGMT...can't say I give a damn about any of those bands or that style in general. So if I have to listen to the radio (and I can't access SIRIUS or my own music collection, which are of course vastly superior alternatives) I'd rather just listen to the old shit, thank you.

case in point

the 90s are not the last great moment in american culture, i hate to break it to you.

samuel redman
08-31-2010, 07:31 PM
phoenix = the falling balling falling calling song

The Omega Concern
08-31-2010, 07:33 PM
originally posted by soniclovenoise:

I hear what you're saying Omega, but I think citing Muse as an example kinda ruined it. You should have cited, like, Jandek or some other outsider music if your point is about going against the system.


Fair enough...Megadeth has been screaming against a NWO forever, so, Muse isn't entirely original by any means in this regard. However, they do have a sizable fan base and all the outsider music can scream all they want, if the extent of their fan base is Pitchfork readers, nobody is gonna give a shit.

slunken
08-31-2010, 07:57 PM
the 90s are not the last great moment in american culture, i hate to break it to you.

Agree. I don't get how some people can say that the 90s were so amazing and ground-breaking yet the bands they mention were typical radio rock. Personally I don't see the difference between rock radio in the 90s and rock radio now FWIW.

Like, if you were a teenager in the 90s and you thought the shit the radio jammed was awesome - but if you were a teenager now you'd prolly be thinking the same thing.

I'm drunk and incoherent but you know what i'm saying. Every generation wants to believe they're special.

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 08:31 PM
yeppers

out of all the popular bands back then i think there were at most five of them that were actually respectable: SP, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, I guess I'll say Nirvana but I don't even really buy that...anyone else? Rage i guess. I can acknowledge soundgarden.

as far as nirvana goes. in know cobain wanted to be a legitimate artist but if there was anything the record companies pounced on for being perfect to market to disaffected teenagers it was fucking nirvana.

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 08:37 PM
Lets start naming shitty 90s bands that were real popular. I'll start:

Everclear

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 08:37 PM
Sublime

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 08:37 PM
Creed

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 08:38 PM
Silverchair

slunken
08-31-2010, 09:04 PM
Fastball

slunken
08-31-2010, 09:05 PM
Better Than Ezra

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 09:39 PM
lol fastball, they owed the record company money at the end. AUSTIN REPRESENT!

Stone Temple Pilots

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 09:40 PM
Poe

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 09:41 PM
Goo Goo Dolls

slunken
08-31-2010, 09:43 PM
Oleander

lol @ Poe

slunken
08-31-2010, 09:44 PM
Gravity Kills

slunken
08-31-2010, 09:48 PM
Sponge

slunken
08-31-2010, 09:49 PM
Tonic

Venom
08-31-2010, 10:16 PM
Sugar Ray

Venom
08-31-2010, 10:17 PM
Matchbox Twenty

Venom
08-31-2010, 10:21 PM
Cracker

samuel redman
08-31-2010, 10:21 PM
Some of my favorite bands:

Tonic
Goo Goo Dolls
Stone Temple Pilots
Better Than Ezra

Venom
08-31-2010, 10:21 PM
Toad The Wet Sprocket

Venom
08-31-2010, 10:22 PM
Why is Stone Temple Pilots on the bad list? Seriously? They have some good damn songs. Add Alice In Chains to the good 90's bands list too.

samuel redman
08-31-2010, 10:23 PM
Toad The Wet Sprocket

honestly, this is one of the greatest bands out there

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:35 PM
Why is Stone Temple Pilots on the bad list? Seriously? They have some good damn songs. Add Alice In Chains to the good 90's bands list too.

STP is pretty derivitave

AiC definitely deserves to be on the bad list because they are BORING and their legacy is STAIND

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:36 PM
Tonic

i hated this band SO FUCKING MUCH even back then

stumpycat
08-31-2010, 10:37 PM
I think you're looking at it through rose colored glasses.

case in point

the 90s are not the last great moment in american culture, i hate to break it to you.
I didn't say they were. My point was that if it is a matter of having to listen to whatever has been "mainstreamed" to the level that you can actually hear it on conventional rock radio, then I'd strongly prefer it be alternative/grunge from the 80's-mid 90's. (I recall as early as 1997 lamenting how the music was really beginning to go downhill...and little did I know the worst was yet to come.) I never even bothered with anything except oldies and classic rock until around 1994, when I heard some of those alternative artists (by accident) and finally realized the reign of Gloria Estefan and shitty hair bands was over, replaced with a new form of music I actually liked. Then I branched from hard rock into metal as well. Of course I've found a lot of contemporary artists to listen to via the web, but that's got nothing to do with how shitty I still find the sound and style of the mainstream these days.

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:37 PM
Garbage

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:38 PM
if it is a matter of having to listen to whatever has been "mainstreamed" to the level that you can actually hear it on conventional rock radio, then I'd strongly prefer it be alternative/grunge from the 80's-mid 90's.

i prefer the 70s because even the bad shit at least has hilarious cheese factor

CARRY ON MY WAAAYWARD SOOOON
THERE WILL BE PEACE WHERE YOU ARE FROOOM
LAY YOUR WEARY HEAD TO REEESST

DON'T YOU CRY NO MORE!

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:40 PM
finally realized the reign of Gloria Estefan and shitty hair bands was over

and the entire time that shit was going on there was fucking buttloads of awesome shit going on in the underground that actually inspired all the bands of the 90s.

samuel redman
08-31-2010, 10:41 PM
Garbage? oh come on

for some reason i dont really like alice in chains. like trotskilicious said, it's just boring

Catherine Wheel
08-31-2010, 10:44 PM
The first two Garbage albums are really good.

I'll say No Doubt.

slunken
08-31-2010, 10:44 PM
i hated this band SO FUCKING MUCH even back then

I kind of liked that "WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO MEAN TO ME?" song in high school.

But, um

Nerf Herder
MXPX

stumpycat
08-31-2010, 10:47 PM
and the entire time that shit was going on there was fucking buttloads of awesome shit going on in the underground that actually inspired all the bands of the 90s.
Yes, and I wish I had known at the time. What happened is that as a little kid I turned the radio dial in mommy's car a few times, ended up landing on NKOTB, Madonna, or Poison, and then the little kid me kind of gave up on looking. But that is why not knowing anything better than what's on the radio is so corrosive, isn't it?

I was never that huge of a Nirvana fan (except that I really liked Bleach) but I liked Soundgarden, Jane's Addiction, Pantera, Tool, Green Day, etc. That type of sound. I never got into many of the bands that have been mentioned here (to me most of them are more mid-90's derivative.)

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:49 PM
lol @ the first two garbage albums are good

Trotskilicious
08-31-2010, 10:51 PM
Tool

samuel redman
08-31-2010, 10:52 PM
2 and 4th

stumpycat
08-31-2010, 10:53 PM
i prefer the 70s because even the bad shit at least has hilarious cheese factor

CARRY ON MY WAAAYWARD SOOOON
THERE WILL BE PEACE WHERE YOU ARE FROOOM
LAY YOUR WEARY HEAD TO REEESST

DON'T YOU CRY NO MORE!
Well fuck whatever the lyrics are...the music and the melody is cool. I'll totally jam to that.

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 04:54 PM
Fuel

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Seven Mary Three

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Ugly Kid Joe

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 04:56 PM
Hole, because they were another band who were lumped in with the Grunge explosion Kurt-esy of Nirvana.

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 04:57 PM
Bush

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 04:58 PM
Well fuck whatever the lyrics are...the music and the melody is cool. I'll totally jam to that.

All-American prog.

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Phoenix are meh, MGMT is just kinda derivitive Flaming Lips... But the first two Arcade Fire albums are fucking great. Check it out:
Neon Bible.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?nzxjoydmzd0)

Thanks.

Catherine Wheel
09-01-2010, 05:05 PM
Who else sounded like Garbage?

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 05:15 PM
All-American prog.

Total '70's sleaze-prog.

exactlythesame
09-01-2010, 05:41 PM
candlebox

exactlythesame
09-01-2010, 05:41 PM
collective soul

Catherine Wheel
09-01-2010, 05:47 PM
Zebrahead

Catherine Wheel
09-01-2010, 05:47 PM
Feeder

soniclovenoize
09-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Catherine Wheel

Catherine Wheel
09-01-2010, 05:56 PM
Catherine Wheel started out a great shoegaze band. I know their later work isn't that great but still.

soniclovenoize
09-01-2010, 05:58 PM
Catherine Wheel started out a great shoegaze band. I know their later work isn't that great but still.

Naaah, I keed I keeed. Ferment is great.

Catherine Wheel
09-01-2010, 06:01 PM
Chrome is great too

soniclovenoize
09-01-2010, 06:13 PM
I haven't heard it. Should I give it a chance?

Catherine Wheel
09-01-2010, 06:17 PM
Yeah you should. It's darker, angrier and more aggressive than Ferment. But it's still very much shoegaze. It reminds me of Siamese Dream at times.

Trotskilicious
09-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Bush

how the *fuck* did i forget this band

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 08:01 PM
candlebox

I don't care for Candlebox, but "Far Behind" I love just because of the guitar work in this tune. Whoever that guy is, he is a fucking great player with a sick tone. If it comes on the radio, I just wait patiently for the somewhat schlocky, yet rocking solo. It is one of the better '90's guitar moments no one ever talks about. The lead vocalist sounds bad when he tries to howl and shout during the choruses, which doesn't help the cause.

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 08:02 PM
how the *fuck* did i forget this band

Haha... easy to forget because Bush were so forgettable anyway.

eyesofruby32
09-01-2010, 08:04 PM
Here's a great band that you never hear much of: Hum. These guys were from Illinois and I believe opened for the Pumpkins for some shows around 1995-96. "Girl From Mars" was their "hit."

slunken
09-01-2010, 08:15 PM
SHUT UP BUSH RULES

soniclovenoize
09-01-2010, 08:49 PM
Here's a great band that you never hear much of: Hum. These guys were from Illinois and I believe opened for the Pumpkins for some shows around 1995-96. "Girl From Mars" was their "hit."

Actually, most people here know and like Hum. ;)

Downward is Heavenward = the awsomeness

redbull
09-01-2010, 09:18 PM
Here's a great band that you never hear much of: Hum. These guys were from Illinois and I believe opened for the Pumpkins for some shows around 1995-96. "Girl From Mars" was their "hit."

-song is actually called "Stars"
-they opened for SP numrous times between 1990 and 1998
-Downward is Heavenward and You'd Prefer an Astronaut are the equals of anything in the SP catalog

stumpycat
09-01-2010, 09:31 PM
Yes, Hum is a good example of quality shoegazing alterna-grunge style. (As opposed to most of the mid-late 90's bands being mentioned in this thread, which are shit.) They should play that on the radio more often.

redbull
09-01-2010, 09:34 PM
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Trotskilicious
09-01-2010, 11:14 PM
Yes, Hum is a good example of quality shoegazing alterna-grunge style. (As opposed to most of the mid-late 90's bands being mentioned in this thread, which are shit.) They should play that on the radio more often.

you acknowledge then that the 90s were shitty then

redbull
09-02-2010, 12:55 AM
I don't see how they've been any shittier than the other decades

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 04:46 PM
-song is actually called "Stars"
-they opened for SP numrous times between 1990 and 1998
-Downward is Heavenward and You'd Prefer an Astronaut are the equals of anything in the SP catalog

My bad. I could have sworn it was Girl From Mars. I mixed "Stars" up with a song by the Irish group Ash named "Girl From Mars." And I didn't realize Hum had started out in the late '80's. I wish they had received more attention.

redbull
09-02-2010, 04:51 PM
*shrug* I just feel compelled to defend them since I'm from Champaign

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 04:57 PM
you acknowledge then that the 90s were shitty then

What made the '90's shitty?

-Barenaked Ladies
-Courtney Love taking over a majority of the rights to Nirvana music, publishing, etc.
-Late '90's rap-rock and nu-metal boom (Limp Bizkit, Korn, i.e.).
-Late '90's boy band boom (I don't even care to type the names).
-Techno boom; this shit is the most soul-less music ever.

What made the '90's great?

-Of course, just about all the Pumpkins material released.
-Beatles Anthology stuff.
-De-popularization of hair metal.
-Seattle
-Clinton.
-Internet.

redbull
09-02-2010, 05:00 PM
-Techno boom; this shit is the most soul-less music ever.

sorry, try again

the 90s had a fuckton of awesome music

(yo la tengo, fugazi, the roots, elliott smith, sonic youth, my bloody valentine, melvins, slint, tribe called quest, aphex twin, godflesh, mogwai, etc)

Catherine Wheel
09-02-2010, 05:09 PM
91 - 96 was a really great time for rock music. I think rap music went through a renaissance from about 1993 - 1998.

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 05:15 PM
sorry, try again

the 90s had a fuckton of awesome music

(yo la tengo, fugazi, the roots, elliott smith, sonic youth, my bloody valentine, melvins, slint, tribe called quest, aphex twin, godflesh, mogwai, etc)

What do those bands have to do with techno? Absolutely nothing.

redbull
09-02-2010, 05:19 PM
orbital
aphex twin
the klf
the orb
the prodigy
chemical brothers
808 state
underworld
boards of canada
squarepusher
amon tobin
daft punk
autechre
carl craig
meat beat manifesto
moby
dj shadow

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 05:24 PM
I've listened to a lot of Sonic Youth, some MBV, and some Mogwai. Haven't heard much of the other groups, but I'm sure they're good. Along with SP I've always listened to classic rock, blues, jazz, and other '90's bands like Soundgarden and Nirvana. I don't listen to Nirvana anymore, I just can't. Sonic Youth's best albums, IMO, are from the '80's- Sister and Daydream Nation. Ironically, I used to hate Pearl Jam in the '90's. Now, I like them. Their first four albums are pretty damn good.

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 05:32 PM
orbital
aphex twin
the klf
the orb
the prodigy
chemical brothers
808 state
underworld
boards of canada
squarepusher
amon tobin
daft punk
autechre
carl craig
meat beat manifesto
moby
dj shadow

I admit that I really have never heard of some of these guys. I know of the Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Aphex Twin, but never could get into them. It's not that I don't recognize their art; it's mostly the nameless shit you hear, say, at an amusement park or something. The groups/people you listed have some unique qualities to their work. I used to listen to a lot of Boards Of Canada. It started creeping me out (sometimes I'd be too stoned), so I stopped listening and quit weed. But some of their stuff is amazing, and those guys know their analog gear. Again, sorry if I offended you; I should have clarified that one of the things that sucked about the Nineties was that some techno was soul-less in the sense that the sounds are all mechanical, with little human interaction.

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 05:34 PM
I should have clarified that one of the things that sucked about the Nineties was that some techno was soul-less in the sense that the sounds are all mechanical, with little human interaction.

Uh oh. You better buckle your seatbelt, eyesofruby32...

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 05:43 PM
Uh oh. You better buckle your seatbelt, eyesofruby32...

Am I in for a fight? Haha... Look, I'm a fan of Eric Johnson and Phish, the former an '80's era guitar virtuoso, the latter a classic jam band. And both are hated or ignored by many people. Especially Phish, for their overall hippie trip and price gouging for festivals and what not. Johnson is a master guitarist, but is lumped into the '80's hair-shred thing (with the likes of Satriani, Vai, and Malmsteen), therefore boring and too self-absorbed for some '90's rock fans. For all the bad techno out there, there is even more soul-less guitar-based music, simply because guitars have been featured in songs much longer than turntables, samplers, and drum machines.

If you want to rock out, check out Eric Johnson: Live at Austin City Limits 1988.

And of course, I don't mind any of the techno-inflected music put out by SP. I mean, Ava Adore is a kick ass song.

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 05:48 PM
Am I in for a fight? Haha... Look, I'm a fan of Eric Johnson and Phish,

...

And of course, I don't mind any of the techno-inflected music put out by SP. I mean, Ava Adore is a kick ass song.

Oh shit, now you just disabled your airbag.

redbull
09-02-2010, 06:00 PM
I really like Phish (and jambands in general) actually. ever heard their cover of Rhinoceros?

stumpycat
09-02-2010, 07:03 PM
you acknowledge then that the 90s were shitty then
No way, a there was a significant portion of the more popular/mainstream music that up through about 1995 or 1996 was pretty decent or at the very least not too shitty. Most of the shit stank less, as well.

exactlythesame
09-02-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't care for Candlebox, but "Far Behind" I love just because of the guitar work in this tune. Whoever that guy is, he is a fucking great player with a sick tone. If it comes on the radio, I just wait patiently for the somewhat schlocky, yet rocking solo. It is one of the better '90's guitar moments no one ever talks about. The lead vocalist sounds bad when he tries to howl and shout during the choruses, which doesn't help the cause.

listen to any other solo he's ever done and it's the same recycled licks

candlebox suck hard

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 07:17 PM
Oh shit, now you just disabled your airbag.

Haha! Hey, I've got to be honest. Johnson is a fast player, but not a shredder. He's more blues-based, in the Hendrix/Clapton/Beck tradition. Plus he's not one of those archetypal chauvinist pig guitarists. Just a mellow Texan. And for me Phish is all about variety and virtuosity as a four-piece. Some of their stuff is annoying, and some of their fans are just complete snobs. Their earlier stuff (1988-1996) is the best, IMO.

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 07:21 PM
listen to any other solo he's ever done and it's the same recycled licks

candlebox suck hard

They did have another hit or two, but I can't remember them. They do suck hard, for sure. The "Far Behind" solo goes against the grain of '90's rock. When BC was more into soloing, he really twisted his runs with giant bends and manipulated feedback in unison with James. That is a classic sound.

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 07:25 PM
I really like Phish (and jambands in general) actually. ever heard their cover of Rhinoceros?

I've heard that they've covered it. Got a link to anything? I'll try to find something myself. Love to hear it. I can picture Anastasio getting into a jam with Rhinoceros.

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 07:28 PM
No way, a there was a significant portion of the more popular/mainstream music that up through about 1995 or 1996 was pretty decent or at the very least not too shitty. Most of the shit stank less, as well.

It seemed like in '96, the radio became inundated with all the shitty, post-grunge stuff, and it really hasn't changed since. Some good moments from then to now I guess would be "OK Computer" and "Elephant" songs.

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 07:36 PM
Look, I'm a fan of Eric Johnson and Phish,

I really like Phish (and jambands in general) actually.

This made me lose faith in music:

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eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 07:49 PM
This made me lose faith in music:

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Haha... not bad. Phish doing a '50's style rocker. Not their best though.

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 08:05 PM
Haha... not bad. Phish doing a '50's style rocker. Not their best though.

No, Phish was covering a Neutral Milk Hotel song. They fucking destroyed it.

eyesofruby32
09-02-2010, 08:16 PM
No, Phish was covering a Neutral Milk Hotel song. They fucking destroyed it.

I've heard of Neutral Milk Hotel, but haven't heard their stuff. I thought it was just some attempt by Phish to practice a new song to an audience. They do have a way of butchering covers sometimes, for damn sure.

slunken
09-02-2010, 08:20 PM
lol jambands

redbull
09-02-2010, 09:10 PM
This made me lose faith in music:

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kneejerk hipster reaction ftw

redbull
09-02-2010, 09:13 PM
here's some good jam

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slunken
09-02-2010, 09:19 PM
Here's some better

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redbull
09-02-2010, 09:21 PM
in no way would i call emeralds a jam band

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:31 PM
LOL I WOULD KRAUTROCK IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR GERMAN JAMBAND AMIRITE?

redbull
09-02-2010, 09:32 PM
not really

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:39 PM
:(

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 09:42 PM
kneejerk hipster reaction ftw

I'll take it as a compliment.

EDIT: Funny thing. I went to the MN State Fair today (if you have no idea, it's actually this big huge thing, the 2nd biggest fair in the US, but whatever) and I just happened to wear my Neutral Milk Hotel shirt. I sear to fucking god, I was at a fajita stand and the kids cooking in the back give me a free steak fajita because my "shirt is awesome."

So there you go. You might have felt a mild disgust from my comment, but I enjoyed my free fucking fajita.

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:47 PM
I wouldn't, from him.

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:49 PM
Like - my great-grandma thinks I'm the cat's pajamas but y'know it's my great-grandma. The fuck does she know?

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 09:51 PM
see edit

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:53 PM
TBH I don't get it.

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:57 PM
And besides - haven't NMH descended from "omg i know real good music" hipster-status to run-of-the-mill "i go to college and have facial hair and an acoustic guitar" status?

Not to be a hater - but if you think NMH is still elite it's a sign of old age.

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:58 PM
Same goes for Modest Mouse.

slunken
09-02-2010, 09:58 PM
That's what it's come down to. Modest Mouse and Neutral Milk Hotel are now in the same category.

soniclovenoize
09-02-2010, 10:06 PM
And besides - haven't NMH descended from "omg i know real good music" hipster-status to run-of-the-mill "i go to college and have facial hair and an acoustic guitar" status?

Not to be a hater - but if you think NMH is still elite it's a sign of old age.

Well, I am old!

slunken
09-02-2010, 10:09 PM
Fuck old age. I'm 'bout to buy another sixer of Bud tall boys and slam 'em down.

soniclovenoize
09-03-2010, 06:54 AM
Nice.

Trotskilicious
09-03-2010, 04:31 PM
And besides - haven't NMH descended from "omg i know real good music" hipster-status to run-of-the-mill "i go to college and have facial hair and an acoustic guitar" status?

Not to be a hater - but if you think NMH is still elite it's a sign of old age.

yup

soniclovenoise is a punchline and he seems proud of it

Trotskilicious
09-03-2010, 04:33 PM
I don't see how they've been any shittier than the other decades

not what i'm saying. i'm just saying gen ys tend to think the 90s are the best thing ever.

eyesofruby32
09-05-2010, 11:25 AM
not what i'm saying. i'm just saying gen ys tend to think the 90s are the best thing ever.

Best thing ever? It's got to be from 1965-1975 or so, from when The Beatles were dropping acid, to when the Stones started sucking and Zeppelin began the downward slide. Also factor in some of the good prog and better jazz fusion into this ten year period.

Catherine Wheel
09-05-2010, 11:39 AM
Gen X probably thinks the 90s are the best thing ever too. Even moreso than Gen Y. Because unlike the 80s alternative music wasn't being marginalized in the 90s.

Catherine Wheel
09-05-2010, 11:51 AM
You could actually say the same thing about rap music. Both alt. rock and rap were somewhat marginalized in the 80s. But in the 90s they both found a much wider audience. So Gen X became relevant in the 90s.