View Full Version : How can the upcoming tour not be the worst Pumpkins tour of all time?


Reyngel
03-11-2010, 04:45 AM
No James, no D'arcy, no Jimmy, no Melissa, no Matt Walker, no Ginger, no Lisa, no old songs, no respectable new material, no affordable tickets...

But we get a whining, bitching, complaining, out of touch Billy Corgan and his 16 year old tupperware banger playing Widow Wake My Mind.


WHAT THE FUCK

Shallowed
03-11-2010, 04:47 AM
how can it not be the worst tour of all time?

If God personally attends the first show to smite Billy from the earth.

Kahlo
03-11-2010, 04:55 AM
Solo acoustic. Those are the only tours he can do now that will not be laughable.

The 2007 shows really did kicks some ass, but without JC now what is the point?

lucid_interval
03-11-2010, 05:10 AM
no jeff?

ive enjoyed the shows ive been to so far. i hope there are some good jams this time, i liked united states at the shows i went to in 2008.

You Said
03-11-2010, 06:06 AM
15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.

17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.

18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.

19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.

20 The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. [a] 21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.

25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind man in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.

30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and ravish her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.

36 The LORD will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your fathers. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone. 37 You will become a thing of horror and an object of scorn and ridicule to all the nations where the LORD will drive you.

38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. 39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off. 41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity. 42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land.

43 The alien who lives among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, but you will be the tail.

45 All these curses will come upon you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever. 47 Because you did not serve the LORD your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the LORD sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you.

49 The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the LORD your God is giving you.

53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.

58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the LORD your God- 59 the LORD will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The LORD will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the LORD your God. 63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.

64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, "If only it were evening!" and in the evening, "If only it were morning!"-because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. 68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.

Kahlo
03-11-2010, 06:09 AM
This Lord guy sounds like a douche. No wonder him and BC have a special connection.

I SMITE THEE JIMMY D'ARCY AND JAMES!

cardiac
03-11-2010, 06:27 AM
The only light at the end of the tunnel for me right now is the fact that Jeff's still around. The man can play. Its fucked up that Billy still keeps him as a touring hand considering that he has mentioned in interviews his interest to participate in the recording process. Violet Burning had some solid riffs, might not be the worst of ideas to let him give a hand in the songwriting as well.

That being said, I would not pay to see this shadow of a band unless the ticket prices were extremely affordable.

Jimmy I would pay to see. You're pretty much guaranteed to get quality out of him.

Pop Tart
03-11-2010, 07:57 AM
Thank God. Jesus is back. Common sense prevails.

stripes
03-11-2010, 10:29 AM
so we've got billy ranting about how no one appreciates him. bam bam. some 60 year old queer, replacement asian, and strawtitties?

hey kids, rock and roll!

Pizza Club
03-11-2010, 12:50 PM
The only light at the end of the tunnel for me right now is the fact that Jeff's still around. The man can play. Its fucked up that Billy still keeps him as a touring hand considering that he has mentioned in interviews his interest to participate in the recording process. Violet Burning had some solid riffs, might not be the worst of ideas to let him give a hand in the songwriting as well.

That being said, I would not pay to see this shadow of a band unless the ticket prices were extremely affordable.

Jimmy I would pay to see. You're pretty much guaranteed to get quality out of him.

I endorse this post.

tweedyburd
03-11-2010, 04:08 PM
I mean, really, who is even going to be at these shows? At least in the States? Certainly not the majority of old fans who shut down Ticket Web cl******g for seats to the "reunion" shows of '07-'08; not casual fans who learned not to blow their money on Billy's therapy sessions worked out on stage during the 20th Anniversary Tour; and hardly any new fans brought on board by the pathetic newer material. So, who does that leave to fill a 1000-1500 seat arena in Average City, USA?

It's almost like rather than have genuine fans who are there specifically for the music, it's going to be more a mix of curious onlookers and former fans who just want to see how much shittier all of this will get.

waltermcphilp
03-11-2010, 04:22 PM
The tour would not suck if billy set up a dunk tank and let people dunk him for 2 hours instead of him playing music.

I would pay $30 to do that.

Araneae
03-11-2010, 04:34 PM
It's almost like rather than have genuine fans who are there specifically for the music, it's going to be more a mix of curious onlookers and former fans who just want to see how much shittier all of this will get.

Pretty much. But, he did say that he will no longer be playing older material, assuming he is going to stick to his word then there will be even fewer attendees. I'm curious to see how well the tour is going to go this time around. There are still a lot of Billy fanatics out there, it's more about Billy for them than about the band.

tweedyburd
03-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Yeah, there will always be girls like the one in IAGW who brings him the clay model head of himself. You would think it might concern a mentally stable artist when that's the only type of person they're reaching in any sort of meaningful way anymore, but he probably just thinks those are the Indigo Children.

Ol' Couch Ass
03-11-2010, 05:08 PM
My girlfriend was waiting tables in Asheville at the time of IAGW and waited on BC at a restaurant called Old Europe. She said that clay bust chick was stalking Billy and making it really uncomfortable for all involved.... even worse than it seemed in the documentary :erm:

Corganist
03-11-2010, 05:09 PM
I highly doubt that they'll totally forgo playing old songs. They may only play a handful, and they may not be old songs anyone really wants to hear, but I think they still pepper a couple into the set just to rub it in to those who may doubt that the band onstage is really Smashing Pumpkins.

Really, I see this tour possibly being a step up from the 20th Anniversary tour. A lot of the things that were working against the band then are gone. Namely, there's not going to be high fan expectations that they're going to be playing some extended nostalgia set. The band will be just fine from a technical standpoint (assuming Byrne proves up to snuff), but breaking in both a new bassist and a new drummer might possibly make Billy think twice about playing the Set the Controls-type jams that turned off so many people and drove them to the exits mid-set. That'll be a good thing. I really think that as long as they keep the new material short and tight and just go out there and play it, it'll all be much better received than the 20th Anniversary debacle. Basically I'm kinda thinking it'll be like the initial 2001 True Poets of Zwan tour, which in my mind is not a bad thing in the least. Maybe some of you don't see that as a high goal to aim for, but again, it beats the last tour.

I think the only make or break factor is going to be how grand a scale Billy has in mind. In the short term, he should definitely be thinking large clubs and not small theaters, otherwise he'll probably get discouraged at the empty seats.

Pizza Club
03-11-2010, 05:22 PM
How on Earth are you a mod.

waltermcphilp
03-11-2010, 05:36 PM
In the short term, he should definitely be thinking large clubs and not small theaters, otherwise he'll probably get discouraged at the empty seats.

Wait what?

How does that make sense?

Wouldn't there be more empty seats in a larger venue?

Elvis The Fat Years
03-11-2010, 05:44 PM
Melissa, no Matt Walker, no Ginger, no Lisa,


why would i miss them? i just miss the original line up.

Pop Tart
03-11-2010, 05:51 PM
My girlfriend was waiting tables in Asheville at the time of IAGW and waited on BC at a restaurant called Old Europe. She said that clay bust chick was stalking Billy and making it really uncomfortable for all involved.... even worse than it seemed in the documentary :erm:
How come stalking isn't stalking if the stalkee actually likes the stalker? As I've told the courts time and time again, I just don't get it.

Meanwhile, I've come up with a genius idea: All the shows should be held on the corner of 2nd and 11th riiiiiight about the time that James's dog needs to poo. Then if a stray guitar just happens to be lying about....who can tell what might happen? James might just take up said guitar.

And slap Billy in the back of the head with it.

:cry: Owie!

Anyway, just a suggestion....

Corganist
03-11-2010, 06:02 PM
Wait what?

How does that make sense?

Wouldn't there be more empty seats in a larger venue?

Are most clubs not smaller than theaters? If not, my mistake. I am saying that they should play smaller venues than maybe they've been accustomed to.

Astur
03-11-2010, 06:45 PM
Really, I see this tour possibly being a step up from the 20th Anniversary tour. A lot of the things that were working against the band then are gone. Namely, there's not going to be high fan expectations that they're going to be playing some extended nostalgia set. The band will be just fine from a technical standpoint (assuming Byrne proves up to snuff), but breaking in both a new bassist and a new drummer might possibly make Billy think twice about playing the Set the Controls-type jams that turned off so many people and drove them to the exits mid-set. That'll be a good thing. I really think that as long as they keep the new material short and tight and just go out there and play it, it'll all be much better received than the 20th Anniversary debacle. Basically I'm kinda thinking it'll be like the initial 2001 True Poets of Zwan tour, which in my mind is not a bad thing in the least. Maybe some of you don't see that as a high goal to aim for, but again, it beats the last tour.

You're certainly an optimist person, aren't you? Anyways, I wish your point would very well be true, but I don't think Byrne will "prove up to snuff". Specially if they plan to play some old stuff, which they should if, as you say, want to have the slightest reason to keep the act being named the Smashing Pumpkins.

And I think you're not taking into account that the new material sucks fucking cock overall.

langley
03-11-2010, 07:09 PM
i guess they could just not do it. that way the 20th anniversary tour can keep the trophy.

waltermcphilp
03-11-2010, 07:11 PM
Are most clubs not smaller than theaters? If not, my mistake. I am saying that they should play smaller venues than maybe they've been accustomed to.

I see what you're saying.

What a funny misunderstanding. :blush:

Gossamer
03-11-2010, 07:21 PM
He should be playing clubs like Terminal 5, Bowery Ballroom, and Webster Hall, the kind of places he was playing when he was doing his solo thing.

When I saw them at United Palace Theater or whatever it was called, there was just way too many retards who weren't even fans of the band that only knew Today and Bullet, hogging most of the seats, and talking about inane bullshit through the rest of the show.

Corganist
03-11-2010, 07:27 PM
You're certainly an optimist person, aren't you? Anyways, I wish your point would very well be true, but I don't think Byrne will "prove up to snuff". Specially if they plan to play some old stuff, which they should if, as you say, want to have the slightest reason to keep the act being named the Smashing Pumpkins.

And I think you're not taking into account that the new material sucks fucking cock overall.

My optimism extends far enough to hope that the majority of the new material played will be actually new to us. I really hope it's not a Spirits/Broken Clock Society rehash.

Gossamer
03-11-2010, 07:28 PM
IDK, the thing is though I'm pretty sure the 20th anniversary shows were all sold out, at least I know the two in NYC were. And that was a pretty large venue so I mean, if he can still sell out a venue like that then why wouldn't he do it?

I went to both of those shows and honestly they kind of sucked. The Set the Controls jam was annoying and took up wayy too much of the set. The only thing it did was piss everyone off and give everyone a headache. There were a ton of disgruntled and unhappy people walking out both nights. I mean literally every other person as we were leaving was complaining. The thing is Billy would do like a 20 minute ridiculous jam of that song which was mostly annoying noise, and then he would blow through a 2 minute rendition of a popular song like Today. I've never heard Today played so quickly and so emotionless. I mean I get that the guy doesnt want to sit there and play singles that he's played thousands of times but c'mon if you're going to play a 20 year anniversary tour, in a huge theater type venue, where you charge like 90 bucks a ticket...people are going to be pissed if you're playing half-assed through some really great songs.

paranoid
03-11-2010, 08:31 PM
A big part of why I loved seeing the Pumpkins play was to see Jimmy play. Always a great live experience.

And i saw the 2nd night of the anniversary tour, which was hands down one of my best pumpkins live experiences. loved a lot of the new songs, loved the extended gossamer, loved the huge band with horns, violin, etc., and Jimmy was in top form. + Soma and Galapogos.

btw am I the only one that thought the set the controls free noise jam was great? I've got about 7 different versions loaded on my ipod and i listen to them once in a while.

Gossamer
03-11-2010, 08:34 PM
Gossamer and Corganist are having a conversation. Can this thread take it? Can my sanity?



The world is at an end.

actually I was mostly conversing with myself

Gossamer
03-11-2010, 08:36 PM
I thought the Set The Controls free noise jam was poorly done honestly.

It was just not interesting enough, was mostly grating, and just overstayed its welcome.

Gossamer
03-11-2010, 09:54 PM
I don't even know who you are or why you are picking an e-fight with me but if it makes you feel better about yourself and your life then please continue.

Caine Walker
03-11-2010, 09:56 PM
nihilist knows how to party

Trotskilicious
03-12-2010, 01:58 AM
I don't even know who you are or why you are picking an e-fight with me but if it makes you feel better about yourself and your life then please continue.

he's completely right though

by the way since it seems to not reached through your thick skull, people pick fights with you because they want you to leave

T&T
03-12-2010, 02:02 AM
i'm gonna have sex at the shows.

should be hot.

Gossamer
03-12-2010, 02:07 AM
he's completely right though

by the way since it seems to not reached through your thick skull, people pick fights with you because they want you to leave

you mad?

http://i46.tinypic.com/eiqtj7.gif

Kahlo
03-12-2010, 07:32 AM
THERE'S A STORM ACROSS THIS U.S.A!!

I cringed when I heard that.

duovamp
03-12-2010, 08:27 AM
Hmmm. I'm not really interested in hearing new crap.... I'll pay to hear music that was originally recorded in 1990-2000 though.

FlspnutIsCool
03-12-2010, 07:03 PM
[=T&T;3607696]i'm gonna have at the shows.

should be hot.[/QUOTE]

im gona be there to masterbate to it!!!

SPLATTER
03-13-2010, 09:27 AM
SP is now an opening act. The only place they can headline is small clubs.

sppunk
03-13-2010, 09:45 AM
Why does anyone believe a tour will happen? Corgan's track record of lies proves this is nothing more than another one.

stripes
03-13-2010, 11:23 AM
My girlfriend was waiting tables in Asheville at the time of IAGW and waited on BC at a restaurant called Old Europe. She said that clay bust chick was stalking Billy and making it really uncomfortable for all involved.... even worse than it seemed in the documentary :erm:

old europe fucking closed man! but that was such an awesome place. But Z's lounge is still open thankfully.

and I approve of the dunking idea.

Pop Tart
03-13-2010, 01:30 PM
Thanks for the rep, Pale! :love:

tweedyburd
03-13-2010, 06:02 PM
Thanks for the rep, Pale! :love:

Other Asheville Netphorians? Had no idea :cheers:

amoergosum
03-14-2010, 02:44 PM
A big part of why I loved seeing the play was to see Jimmy play. Always a great live experience.


I feel the same way.

TuralyonW3
03-14-2010, 04:23 PM
Why does anyone believe a tour will happen? Corgan's track record of lies proves this is nothing more than another one.

$$$

Mayfuck
03-15-2010, 06:43 PM
the only way this tour would be good if they kept playing the same type of venues they did with spirits in the sky. i think the music would fit best as a bar room type deal. the patio they played at where i went was suitable for the type of bro down dad-rock spirits in the sky played. just sipping a beer, smoking the 'wacky tabaccy', listening to some dad tunes, havin a good time with my bros. thats the only suitable venue for this music

wounded
03-15-2010, 06:48 PM
if you want dad rock go listen to the foo fighters

slunken
03-15-2010, 06:53 PM
flip-flops. homemade handbags. coolers. dogs.

you just throw your peanut shells right on the floor.