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pointfive
03-09-2010, 12:31 PM
THE SMASHING PUMPKINS
ANNOUNCE SEARCH FOR NEW BASSIST AND KEYBOARDIST


With the news that THE SMASHING PUMPKINS bassist Ginger Pooley has left the band to raise her new baby with her husband, BILLY CORGAN has announced that he will look for a new bassist in the same manner as he found new drummer Mike Byrne last year: via an open audition process (see below for details). CORGAN also says that auditions will be held (again, see below) for a new keyboardist who is a fan of--and can play in the prog-rock style of--Jon Lord and Rick Wakeman.

Until a new bassist is found, Mark Tulin of The Electric Prunes--with whom BILLY toured last year in Spirits In The Sky--will fill in on an interim basis. Look for The Pumpkins to soon announce a world tour including dates in the U.S.

Says Ginger, who toured the world with the band in 2007 and 2008: “With sorrow and yet with much thankfulness for the opportunity to have played in the Pumpkins, I am sad to say that I can no longer tour with the Pumpkins. Although I've been blessed beyond belief over the past few years through playing with the Pumpkins, my priority now is to keep our little family unit together, which includes my husband and my baby. Although I do plan on continuing to do music in different forms, my priority is for neither for my husband nor myself to be apart from our daughter so that we can raise her together. I wish Billy all the best and look forward to seeing the Pumpkins in the near future. I would also like to thank all of the Pumpkins fans for all of their support. I will see you at the Pumpkins shows!”

Says BILLY: “Although I am heartbroken that Ginger is leaving the group, I really respect her decision to put her family first. I appreciate everything that she has contributed to The Smashing Pumpkins, and I'm proud of her for being such a great musician and friend.

'We were lucky enough to find drummer Mike Byrne through an open audition process,” BILLY adds, “so why not open the doors again to anyone who might be interested for the bass or keyboard position. As you can see from our past and present, age, race, or a person's background is not an issue. Everyone is truly welcome to audition.”

Audition Info:

Bassists and keyboardists looking to play with The Pumpkins should send their background info (including age, a resume of any bands/recorded work), photos and performance web links via email only, either to pumpkinsbass@gmail.com or pumpkinskeys@gmail.com. Note: only musicians with video clips can be considered. Youtube.com type posts are perfect--that's how Mike was found. Final date for submission is March 31st.

dustrock
03-09-2010, 12:33 PM
I'm thinking maybe he should look at the Mouseketeers

Rider
03-09-2010, 12:35 PM
Seriously if he hires another female bass player the guy has mental issues.

Sarrod
03-09-2010, 12:35 PM
Hmm, so apparently Jeff will stay. Wow, that's the first one to do 2 tours in a row with Billy since Zwan disbanded :)

Rider
03-09-2010, 12:40 PM
Oh and I can't wait till next year when Billy claims in an interview that he fired Ginger because she was an evil immoral cunt who gave birth to Satans child.

CourtJaster
03-09-2010, 12:56 PM
It'd be great if D'arcy decided out of nowhere to audition.

Wonder if he'd recognize her...

Enzo Gorlami
03-09-2010, 01:05 PM
I'll bet Billy is scouring youtube for 16-year old girl bassist videos right now.

Order 66
03-09-2010, 01:11 PM
i wonder what kind of keyboardist he wants. like a player in the traditional sense or somebody for atmospherics. i have a video of me going crazy with my ms2000 but i'm guessing that's not really what he's looking for

New Art Rioter
03-09-2010, 01:35 PM
All we need now is the audition for a new singer/guitarist and we can all move the fuck on

Pop Tart
03-09-2010, 01:47 PM
I can't be bothered reading all that, but I'd like to throw my hat into the ring and say that I can play the triangle. Well actually, I've never tried to play the triangle, but how hard can it be? I could probably do cymbals too. Something where you get to hit something.

Pizza Club
03-09-2010, 01:50 PM
Ginger is really getting fired for being a destructive person. How dare she want to be with her family!

Pizza Club
03-09-2010, 01:51 PM
And aren't they supposed to tour next month? This is pretty short notice.

Pop Tart
03-09-2010, 01:53 PM
And aren't they supposed to tour next month? This is pretty short notice.
I think new recruits are expected to already know the songs, otherwise, how dare they audition?

samuel redman
03-09-2010, 02:02 PM
ill audition for bass

Caine Walker
03-09-2010, 02:05 PM
i'm booked through the end of this year, so billy's out of luck.

Pizza Club
03-09-2010, 02:12 PM
Billy needs to make this into a reality show. He hasn't done enough damage to his band lately.

Corganist
03-09-2010, 02:12 PM
And aren't they supposed to tour next month? This is pretty short notice.

I wondered this as well. My guess is that said tour isn't really happening that soon, or if it is, it's going to be a more stripped down kind of affair with Billy, Jeff, Mike Byrne, and Mark Tulin playing as a simple four piece without all the bells and whistles. It would make sense that maybe they go ahead and do a small tour with Tulin on bass so that they can acclimate Byrne to the road right away. I can't see them going out on the road several months from now trying to break in a new drummer and a new bassist at the same time.

Kahlo
03-09-2010, 02:17 PM
Eric Avery just left Janes..but prob wouldn't lower himself.

MIKE *SOLO* GARSON *ATONAL INTERLUDE* FOR * 25 MINUTE FLOURISH* KEYS

applepwnz
03-09-2010, 02:19 PM
I'll Billy is scouring for 16-year old girl bassist videos right now.

That's generally how I spend my friday nights anyways...

dustrock
03-09-2010, 02:51 PM
the question is, do you go see SP on this tour?

ifuktyourmom
03-09-2010, 02:56 PM
the question is, do you go see SP on this tour?

the answer is, no.

Kahlo
03-09-2010, 02:56 PM
depends how sexy the new bassist and keyboard player are.

At least the shows will finish early so it isn't past their bedtimes.

Shallowed
03-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Did pointfive post this before the news was released anywhere else again?

Kahlo
03-09-2010, 02:59 PM
are they an inside person?

How embarrassing

dustrock
03-09-2010, 03:00 PM
someone search his post history.

maybe he's kerry. or billy. or YHWH.

Shallowed
03-09-2010, 03:01 PM
I'm starrting to think it. he/she only ever posts stuff like this.

dustrock
03-09-2010, 03:07 PM
Drummer audition announcement.

Jimmy leaving the band announcement.

Tonight Show.

Guitar Hero Launch.


hmmm.........

stripes
03-09-2010, 03:08 PM
I am now in the Smashing Pumpkins

Kahlo
03-09-2010, 03:11 PM
they say they also attended rehearsals...

who is the insider?

Also LINDA FOR KEYS IT JUST MAKES SENSE

dustrock
03-09-2010, 03:17 PM
isn't she prego too?

Araneae
03-09-2010, 03:18 PM
I liked Ginger and Lisa. This SP tour is looking a lot more lame. How are they going to be ready to tour for April? I wouldn't be surprised if this is Jeff's last tour either. Truthfully, I don't think I want anymore of my money going towards Billy.

It would be nice if this insider just gave us the dirt on Billy. It would make things a lot more interesting and we would never have a shortage of things to make fun of Billy for.

Rider
03-09-2010, 03:45 PM
I liked Ginger and Lisa. This SP tour is looking a lot more lame. How are they going to be ready to tour for April? I wouldn't be surprised if this is Jeff's last tour either. Truthfully, I don't think I want anymore of my money going towards Billy.

It would be nice if this insider just gave us the dirt on Billy. It would make things a lot more interesting and we would never have a shortage of things to make fun of Billy for.

LOL we've truly hit a low point when people are upset Ginger is not on the tour.

Kahlo
03-09-2010, 03:56 PM
Ginger was a terrible bassist. I never enjoyed her contribution in the live shows. I couldn't care less about Lisa.

Caine Walker
03-09-2010, 03:57 PM
how dare you talk about miss lisa like that. :(

flavin
03-09-2010, 04:09 PM
Cool story, bro.

wounded
03-09-2010, 04:20 PM
uh this will probably be a shit show. i mean you have to teach new people songs again. i wonder if he is still refusing to play any old material

killtrocity
03-09-2010, 04:30 PM
NO ONE CARE

killtrocity
03-09-2010, 04:31 PM
ginger was a trick bitch

paranoid
03-09-2010, 06:32 PM
she probably read the RS article and said 'fuck this it's not worth working for this asshole anymore. i gots to protect my child from him!!'

Enzo Gorlami
03-09-2010, 06:51 PM
she probably read the RS article and said 'fuck this it's not worth working for this asshole anymore. i gots to protect my child from him!!'

This.

Araneae
03-09-2010, 07:11 PM
LOL we've truly hit a low point when people are upset Ginger is not on the tour.

True. I wouldn't mind so much if I thought Billy would replace them with some other decent people. Unfortunately, he is doing open auditions again, last time he did that we got mike byrnes. I don't think Billy's cheapness is a secret so it is unlikely that he will hire anyone worthwhile, certainly not Eric Avery (I believe he also said that he was not offered enough money).

Ugly
03-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Seriously if he hires another female bass player the guy has mental issues.

T&A is a key part of any SP show. With Corgan going on 5 minute noise solos you need a chick wearing something sexy to oggle to kill the time.

Ugly
03-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Also Lisa was too hot to get bounced.

RenewRevive
03-09-2010, 08:19 PM
uh this will probably be a shit show. i mean you have to teach new people songs again. i wonder if he is still refusing to play any old material

well if he sticks to this threat it makes integrating new members a lot easier as they don't have to learn the 10 different versions of Blue Skies and Heavy Metal Machine for starters.

i guess with Ginger "officially" quitting the band this meant she was an "official" member after all. good to know.

it looks like lisa was just the touring keyboardist a la Garson. i guess linda doesn't cut it or billy would've just handed her the gig. i wonder if Rick Wakeman will audition - that would be funny as fuck.

as for jeff no mention is made, but how can he be a full band member if he records zero material? baffling.

i would say there is exactly no chance of Avery auditioning again after the last debacle.

Caine Walker
03-09-2010, 08:35 PM
w

as for jeff no mention is made, but how can he be a full band member if he records zero material? baffling.



a "full band member" is required to be part of the recording process? why not the writing process?

Corganist
03-09-2010, 09:31 PM
as for jeff no mention is made, but how can he be a full band member if he records zero material? baffling.

Yet, ask that question about the majority of James Iha's tenure, and...well, you know.

i would say there is exactly no chance of Avery auditioning again after the last debacle.

Just think, if even two days ago I would have told you that the bassist for SP and the bassist for Jane's Addiction will leave their band, one for completely legitimate and understandable reasons, and one due to some vague, nondescript conflict, and asked you to pick which one would be which, everyone would have immediately assumed Ginger would be the one leaving under the cloud.

I think all things considered, Billy did much better to hire Ginger than Avery. She was a competent bassist (you'd have to be to keep up with Jimmy for two years on things like those 40 minute Gossamers and the like), and although she's leaving now, it's at least on good terms. Can you imagine if Avery pulled out of SP the way he pulled out of JA this week (and now of all times especially)? The last thing Billy needs around him right now is another ego.

paranoid
03-09-2010, 09:34 PM
Yet, ask that question about the majority of James Iha's tenure, and...well, you know.


he did quite a bit actually.. a hell of a lot more than corgan will let on these days. but you wouldn't know the difference anyway.

Araneae
03-09-2010, 09:37 PM
I think all things considered, Billy did much better to hire Ginger than Avery. She was a competent bassist (you'd have to be to keep up with Jimmy for two years on things like those 40 minute Gossamers and the like), and although she's leaving now, it's at least on good terms. Can you imagine if Avery pulled out of SP the way he pulled out of JA this week (and now of all times especially)? The last thing Billy needs around him right now is another ego.

Aren't you just assuming it is some ego driven reason? How could you possibly know whether Eric had legitimate reasons for leaving or not? Good terms or not. Maybe Ginger got tired of touring, maybe she wanted more money, who knows. It strikes me as odd that she would have told Billy only recently that she was no longer going to be part of the band when Billy had plans to tour in April, I would think it would be something you mention sooner.

redbull
03-09-2010, 09:45 PM
eric avery joining sp would be like the dude from nickleback joining ac/dc

Future Boy
03-09-2010, 09:45 PM
whats MADM up to these days

Starla
03-09-2010, 09:47 PM
^^^

paranoid
03-09-2010, 09:49 PM
you really want MADM to lower her standards like that?

CourtJaster
03-09-2010, 09:51 PM
The last thing Billy needs around him right now is another ego.

Sho nuff, his own is enough for the entire band.

Esty
03-09-2010, 09:52 PM
The news is just better and better.

Corganist
03-09-2010, 09:58 PM
whats MADM up to these days

Hopefully something that will occupy her while these bassist auditions are going on.

Sorry, never was a fan of her tenure as bassist...but admittedly that may be more of a product of my dislike of the 2000 live shows (and the arrangements of many of the songs on those tours) than her playing so much.

Corganist
03-09-2010, 10:01 PM
Aren't you just assuming it is some ego driven reason? How could you possibly know whether Eric had legitimate reasons for leaving or not?

It just sounded awfully similar to the things said when a certain drummer left a certain other band last year under what have recently been revealed to be less than pleasant terms.

Esty
03-09-2010, 10:01 PM
Hopefully something that will occupy her while these bassist auditions are going on.

Sorry, never was a fan of her tenure as bassist...but admittedly that may be more of a product of my dislike of the 2000 live shows (and the arrangements of many of the songs on those tours) than her playing so much.

So basically, you're a stupid fuck. Gotcha.

Ugly
03-09-2010, 10:03 PM
Hey, a few posts above we just found the SP replacement, easily:

<img src = "http://forums.netphoria.org/customavatars/avatar24534_2.gif">

"What if this 30 minute Set the Controls doesn't survive? It's worth a lot to me."

redbull
03-09-2010, 10:17 PM
isn't melissa in the new version of hole

Pizza Club
03-09-2010, 10:18 PM
Also Lisa was too hot to get bounced.

She was already committed to touring with Adam Lambert.

T&T
03-09-2010, 10:20 PM
i'm gonna try out.
and wear a dress
and fake boobs.
what ever it takes.

Ugly
03-09-2010, 10:49 PM
She was already committed to touring with Adam Lambert.

Are her outfits even more revealing on that tour?

i'm gonna try out.
and wear a dress
and fake boobs.
what ever it takes.

Smashing Pumpkins in Jawana Man 2!

stripes
03-09-2010, 11:02 PM
waaaaaaazzaaaaap

Pizza Club
03-09-2010, 11:08 PM
Are her outfits even more revealing on that tour?


I don't really keep up with his tours, but the picture I saw she was dressed as some kind of leather enthusiast.

Ugly
03-09-2010, 11:27 PM
She may be an actual genuine leather enthusiast, cause she was rockin' the leather bustier on the last SP tour.

CourtJaster
03-09-2010, 11:46 PM
Hey, a few posts above we just found the SP replacement, easily:

<img src = "http://forums.netphoria.org/customavatars/avatar24534_2.gif">

"What if this 30 minute Set the Controls doesn't survive? It's worth a lot to me."

YES

Ugly
03-09-2010, 11:57 PM
Put Jeff Schroeder in the cargo hold.

pale_princess
03-09-2010, 11:58 PM
bet lisa's having a helluva lot more fun touring with adam lambert than old bill!

Skylarq
03-10-2010, 12:27 AM
I think it really says something about Billy considering he's been in the music business for 25 years and has alienated every contact he made to the point he needs to hold open auditions. It's pathetic.

Ugly
03-10-2010, 12:32 AM
I don't think it's alienation as the major factor (but that's probably a part of it) he just wants someone cheap he can boss around that would be wow'ed by his "star power" and not talk back.

Ugly
03-10-2010, 12:32 AM
Basically Billy wants an army of Linda Strawberries backing him up but with discernible talent.

Ihaguitar
03-10-2010, 01:12 AM
Billy will have to rediscover his own talent first.

Change starts from within, Billy.

soulofbass
03-10-2010, 01:14 AM
I just sent my submission for bass. i wonder how many submissions were sent in before me. You know what they say, the early bird catches the rocklobster

Corganist
03-10-2010, 01:27 AM
I don't think it's alienation as the major factor (but that's probably a part of it) he just wants someone cheap he can boss around that would be wow'ed by his "star power" and not talk back.

Or he wants people who are talented but are not jaded by years and years of being in the industry and thus will appreciate the opportunity enough to not bail on him if it gets a little difficult. People who think "this is my big chance" probably tend to work out a little better than those who think "this is just another job."

Araneae
03-10-2010, 01:33 AM
That's just conjecture. It could go both ways. The new blood might not be prepared for how hard Billy might work them or how difficult it will be touring. Not all people in the industry are jaded. Jeff, Ginger, and Lisa were part of the industry and they worked out okay.

Astur
03-10-2010, 02:11 AM
I just sent my submission for bass. i wonder how many submissions were sent in before me. You know what they say, the early bird catches the rocklobster

all toasters toast toast

thomas_bland
03-10-2010, 02:39 AM
Once more into the Alt-Rock Black Hole

Kahlo
03-10-2010, 04:24 AM
well if he sticks to this threat it makes
it looks like lisa was just the touring keyboardist a la Garson.

Corgan can't afford Garson, or isn't willing to pay those rates.

Pantomime
03-10-2010, 04:35 AM
MAdM's new album is out in a month or so, apparently. Seeing her play next month.
She a year or so ago that "the new pumpkins doesn't make sense", or something.

Rider
03-10-2010, 04:45 AM
Yet, ask that question about the majority of James Iha's tenure, and...well, you know.



Just think, if even two days ago I would have told you that the bassist for SP and the bassist for Jane's Addiction will leave their band, one for completely legitimate and understandable reasons, and one due to some vague, nondescript conflict, and asked you to pick which one would be which, everyone would have immediately assumed Ginger would be the one leaving under the cloud.

I think all things considered, Billy did much better to hire Ginger than Avery. She was a competent bassist (you'd have to be to keep up with Jimmy for two years on things like those 40 minute Gossamers and the like), and although she's leaving now, it's at least on good terms. Can you imagine if Avery pulled out of SP the way he pulled out of JA this week (and now of all times especially)? The last thing Billy needs around him right now is another ego.

You must not know a lot about the history of Janes, I think the shocking thing is Eric lasted this long in Janes.

Kahlo
03-10-2010, 07:01 AM
"As you can see from our past and present, age, race, or a person's background is not an issue. Everyone is truly welcome to audition."*

* Offer not extended to former band members, immoral people, asians or blacks.

The Smashing Pumpkins' Billy Corgan launches open auditions to find new band members | News | NME.COM (http://www.nme.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins/50159)

pale_princess
03-10-2010, 07:51 AM
She a year or so ago that "the new pumpkins doesn't make sense", or something.
she is correct.

Duke
03-10-2010, 12:28 PM
Billy should stop holding auditions for this "band". He should do what the Gorillaz tried to do. Tour with hologram characters on a screen, but instead of having prerecorded music just have stage techs behind the screen playing the songs in real time.

RenewRevive
03-10-2010, 01:14 PM
isn't melissa in the new version of hole

Sadly, no. Hole now consists of Courtney and 3 guys I never heard of - 2
brits and an american, all about 30 I would guess. It'd be cool if Mellisa returned to SP but that boat has sailed.

redbreegull
03-10-2010, 01:23 PM
Why doesn't Billy just fucking tour by himself? It seems like that is what he really wants to do. None of the new songs are dynamic enough to necessitate a backing band anyway, and would probably sound less shitty if he just played them all acoustic instead of littering them with sub bar drums and stupid synth noises.

waltermcphilp
03-10-2010, 01:29 PM
^ Pretty much.

redbreegull
03-10-2010, 01:33 PM
I mean, I guess know the answer to my own question. He feels the need to have other people around because his greatness doesn't mean anything if he can't have lesser musicians doing what he tells them, so that he can achieve some sort of artistic nirvana.

exactlythesame
03-10-2010, 06:03 PM
It just sounded awfully similar to the things said when a certain drummer left a certain other band last year under what have recently been revealed to be less than pleasant terms.

i take back what i said before

it's not cool as ice cream

you're everything that's wrong with the sp board

Corganist
03-10-2010, 06:46 PM
i take back what i said before

it's not cool as ice cream

you're everything that's wrong with the sp board

Yeah, without me this place could be completely devoid of rational perspective. My apologies for ruining that for all of you.

Corganist
03-10-2010, 07:07 PM
I mean, I guess know the answer to my own question. He feels the need to have other people around because his greatness doesn't mean anything if he can't have lesser musicians doing what he tells them, so that he can achieve some sort of artistic nirvana.

Or, it could be because when he plays live, particularly with SP, he often likes to play loud extended jams. It's been a hallmark of the SP concert experience, and it's obvious Billy likes it...for better (Gossamer) or worse (Set the Controls). And you can't very well do it playing solo with an acoustic guitar.

And I really don't understand why people so quickly have picked up this "Billy likes to boss around 'lesser' musicians" meme. Just because the guy doesn't hire a supergroup-level replacement whenever an opening comes up doesn't mean that he's doing so out of some insane desire for control. Really, where does this stuff come from? Anyone care to point out a solid example of Jeff or Ginger or Mike Byrne being bossed around or controlled?

paranoid
03-10-2010, 07:18 PM
rational perspective, huh? think quite highly of yourself, don't you?

paranoid
03-10-2010, 07:24 PM
and btw he's hiring lesser musicians because they are cheaper.. simple as that. I've heard plenty of stories from plenty of pros (artists, photogs, musicians) who claim that corgan pays cheap and uses the 'it'll better your career' reasoning. take a no name drummer and bass player out of their parents shitty basement and give them a low sum and they'll think they've hit it big.

He doesn't have the money to pay for pros anymore. that's why he financed today to pay for his own studio. that's why he's not recording at CRC. that's why kerry is producing his albums. that's why linda will do artwork and why her talentless husband films their videos. that's why jeff and ginger were hired. that's why he's been holding 'open' auditions. cheeeaaap. he doesn't have the massive labels backing him up anymore and doling out 6 figure sums for awesome music videos. etc etc etc. we're experiencing the blue tage wal mart discount version of The Smashing Pumpkins (TM).

he doesn't know how to do things right with less money, like most indie bands are able to do. he's still acting like a big name artist but without the finances to back it up.

redbreegull
03-10-2010, 07:42 PM
Denial is so rational.

srt4b
03-10-2010, 08:53 PM
Yeah, without me this place could be completely devoid of rational perspective. My apologies for ruining that for all of you.



You are the Fox News of Netphoria son. "rational perspective" is something that should never be considered when referring to your posts. I enjoy reading them from time to time but rational, you are not.

spguitar
03-10-2010, 10:00 PM
I'm on this like stink on cheese with epic submission almost ready.
Yay for plenty of tour and studio experience.

Slurpee
03-10-2010, 11:05 PM
he doesn't know how to do things right with less money, like most indie bands are able to do. he's still acting like a big name artist but without the finances to back it up.

This couldn't be more true.

Ugly
03-10-2010, 11:11 PM
Seriously, though, folks. Boba Fett would be an amazingly easy replacement. If he fired mid-tour because Corgan thinks he's unhealthy, the Kaminoans have a bunch of mature Jango Fett clones that can be slotted right in. Unless only Boba knows how to play bass and Jango didn't. Then we're screwed. This is assuming Billy can find Kamino, since it's been erased from the Jedi Archives and all.

Corganist
03-11-2010, 12:19 AM
and btw he's hiring lesser musicians because they are cheaper.. simple as that. I've heard plenty of stories from plenty of pros (artists, photogs, musicians) who claim that corgan pays cheap and uses the 'it'll better your career' reasoning. take a no name drummer and bass player out of their parents shitty basement and give them a low sum and they'll think they've hit it big.

He doesn't have the money to pay for pros anymore. that's why he financed today to pay for his own studio. that's why he's not recording at CRC. that's why kerry is producing his albums. that's why linda will do artwork and why her talentless husband films their videos. that's why jeff and ginger were hired. that's why he's been holding 'open' auditions. cheeeaaap. he doesn't have the massive labels backing him up anymore and doling out 6 figure sums for awesome music videos. etc etc etc. we're experiencing the blue tage wal mart discount version of The Smashing Pumpkins (TM).

But why is any of that such a bad thing? For as much as everyone pines for the glory days of SP, you would think a "passion over professionalism" approach would be more applauded. (After all, wasn't the big knock on Jeff and Ginger that they were "hired guns?") It's not like the original lineup started out as a bunch of consummate highly paid professional musicians. They got where they were by developing their chemistry and musicianship on the road, and the constant, fragile, work-in-progress nature of it added to the band's mystique. Throwing money at some kind of all-star lineup might be the quickest way to assemble a band that at least kind of sounds like the band that SP managed to become once they had played together for years, but I don't know if it's the way that is most consistent with the spirit of the band. Having some youth and hunger in the band, even at the expense of professional credentials, can't hurt it any. It never has before.

he doesn't know how to do things right with less money, like most indie bands are able to do. he's still acting like a big name artist but without the finances to back it up.

He definitely is trying to have his cake and eat it too, I'll give you that. He needs to look at his band as more of an 1990 "has a following, but still has a ways to go to get somewhere" SP...and not as the 1995-1997 "arena rock headliners" he seems to think they still are.

redbreegull
03-11-2010, 12:21 AM
I'm on this like stink on cheese with epic submission almost ready.
Yay for plenty of tour and studio experience.

if you get picked will you kill Billy Corgan

paranoid
03-11-2010, 12:51 AM
But why is any of that such a bad thing? For as much as everyone pines for the glory days of SP, you would think a "passion over professionalism" approach would be more applauded. (After all, wasn't the big knock on Jeff and Ginger that they were "hired guns?") It's not like the original lineup started out as a bunch of consummate highly paid professional musicians. They got where they were by developing their chemistry and musicianship on the road, and the constant, fragile, work-in-progress nature of it added to the band's mystique. Throwing money at some kind of all-star lineup might be the quickest way to assemble a band that at least kind of sounds like the band that SP managed to become once they had played together for years, but I don't know if it's the way that is most consistent with the spirit of the band. Having some youth and hunger in the band, even at the expense of professional credentials, can't hurt it any. It never has before.



He definitely is trying to have his cake and eat it too, I'll give you that. He needs to look at his band as more of an 1990 "has a following, but still has a ways to go to get somewhere" SP...and not as the 1995-1997 "arena rock headliners" he seems to think they still are.

which is why he should hang up the smashing pumpkins all together and just deal with the fact that it's a lost cause. the band already had it's rise and fall 10 years ago, it's just a waste of time and energy to go through all of this. it's all a confused mess.

he should just start over and build a new band from the ground up if that's what he wants to do. Name it spirits or bcs or whatever. you just can't start over with the pumpkins. the name is already established. with that name comes a strong back catalogue, with a fan base of high expectations, which means endless hours of rehearsing. On top of that, it's guarenteed the name will sell a decent amount of tickets.. so it's expected that the gig should be a good paying one. Corgan going cheapo on his established brand name (which I'll debate he doesn't know his own damn product anymore) is just plain silly.

redbull
03-11-2010, 01:25 AM
i'd love to see the bowl corgan series be the new band

Reyngel
03-11-2010, 03:30 AM
lmao if a Netphorian secretly gets hired.

Reyngel
03-11-2010, 03:34 AM
You know what, too? I'm a pretty damn good piano/keyboard player. Once upon a time, the opportunity to even audition with Billy, let alone be picked to tour with him playing Pumpkins songs... it would have been fucking amazing.

And now?

What kind of dream is it to play along side fuckin Mike Byrne while your once-hero is on the stage telling the audience that he hates them, that they're stuck in the past and that they don't understand his vision?

And then signals for Widow Wake My Mind to be played?

Sounds like a fucking nightmare to me.

Kahlo
03-11-2010, 03:57 AM
Yeah, without me this place could be completely devoid of rational perspective. My apologies for ruining that for all of you.

oh FUCKING LOL :erm:

sniffingchimp
03-11-2010, 10:38 AM
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

Widow wake my mind
Widow wake my mind
Widow wake my mind
Widow wake my mind

I'm looking for a love, a love that shines
That shines, a love that shines
To be mine, yes, all mine
A love that's mine

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

Widow wake my mind
Widow wake my mind
Are you real this time?
Widow wake my mind

I'm looking for a love that I can find
To be mine, a love that's mine
It'll shine, in my mind
A love that shines

Accept the grace, the moment you are in
Accept the chase of where we must begin
'Cause when you crawl, you crawl into my heart
And when you fall, you fall right in my arms

We'll shine, yes, we'll shine
Our love will shine
You'll be mine, yes, all mine
Our love will shine

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

I'm looking for a love that I call mine

Shine, we'll shine
Widow wake my mind
Shine, we'll shine
Widow wake my mind
Shine, we'll shine
We'll shine...
Widow wake my mind
Shine, we'll shine
We'll shine...
Widow wake my mind
Shine, we'll shine
We'll shine...
Widow wake my mind
Shine, we'll shine
We'll shine...
Widow wake my mind
We'll shine

Enzo Gorlami
03-11-2010, 12:04 PM
Inside sources tell me a new bassist has been found:

http://forums.netphoria.org/attachments/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-discussion/33889d1263976703-how-many-top-10-smashing-pumpkins-songs-do-you-have-dragonskornd.jpg

The boobs are the right size, but he's too old.

Tribute2JohnnyB
03-11-2010, 09:17 PM
and btw he's hiring lesser musicians because they are cheaper.. simple as that. I've heard plenty of stories from plenty of pros (artists, photogs, musicians) who claim that corgan pays cheap and uses the 'it'll better your career' reasoning. take a no name drummer and bass player out of their parents shitty basement and give them a low sum and they'll think they've hit it big.

He doesn't have the money to pay for pros anymore. that's why he financed today to pay for his own studio. that's why he's not recording at CRC. that's why kerry is producing his albums. that's why linda will do artwork and why her talentless husband films their videos. that's why jeff and ginger were hired. that's why he's been holding 'open' auditions. cheeeaaap. he doesn't have the massive labels backing him up anymore and doling out 6 figure sums for awesome music videos. etc etc etc. we're experiencing the blue tage wal mart discount version of The Smashing Pumpkins (TM).

he doesn't know how to do things right with less money, like most indie bands are able to do. he's still acting like a big name artist but without the finances to back it up.

this sounds correct.

Araneae
03-11-2010, 09:40 PM
He doesn't have the money to pay for pros anymore. that's why he financed today to pay for his own studio. that's why he's not recording at CRC. that's why kerry is producing his albums. that's why linda will do artwork and why her talentless husband films their videos. that's why jeff and ginger were hired. that's why he's been holding 'open' auditions. cheeeaaap. he doesn't have the massive labels backing him up anymore and doling out 6 figure sums for awesome music videos. etc etc etc. we're experiencing the blue tage wal mart discount version of The Smashing Pumpkins (TM).


That was a strange part in the interview. I thought Billy had gone on about how he does not have any money issues whatsoever. If he didn't why would he need that money to build a studio? I also find it pathetic that he has been constantly using his friends for all of the artwork, videos, and photography since he moved to LA the past 4 years or so. Even RS just used Kristin Burns photography (I bet from insistence on Corgan's part). Even the newest SP artwork, the watercolours, are being done a by a girl named ******, a friend or gf or something or other of his. I get wanting to help out your friends, but fuck, at least find some talented friends.

Gossamer
03-11-2010, 09:47 PM
Seriously, though, folks. Boba Fett would be an amazingly easy replacement. If he fired mid-tour because Corgan thinks he's unhealthy, the Kaminoans have a bunch of mature Jango Fett clones that can be slotted right in. Unless only Boba knows how to play bass and Jango didn't. Then we're screwed. This is assuming Billy can find Kamino, since it's been erased from the Jedi Archives and all.

I'm sure Lando could play bass, I mean he is black

Astur
03-12-2010, 12:21 PM
I can't wait for billy to recruit a new billy. Then the band will live forever!!!

That's the object of the mind/soul/body integration project and the new young recruits. I can already imagine a bald, birthmarked, weak-ankled, clone inside a tube.

Corganist
03-12-2010, 12:49 PM
That was a strange part in the interview. I thought Billy had gone on about how he does not have any money issues whatsoever. If he didn't why would he need that money to build a studio?

Even if he's got a couple million dollars put away, that doesn't make it a good idea to just spend whatever a brand new studio costs (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?) all at once. Assuming he got a good interest rate on the financing, it's probably better for him to hold on to that money as long as possible and actually keep making interest on it while he pays off the loan. I think that it is entirely more likely that he's doing something like that than the idea that the guy is hard up and desperate for capital.

I also find it pathetic that he has been constantly using his friends for all of the artwork, videos, and photography since he moved to LA the past 4 years or so. Even RS just used Kristin Burns photography (I bet from insistence on Corgan's part). Even the newest SP artwork, the watercolours, are being done a by a girl named ******, a friend or gf or something or other of his. I get wanting to help out your friends, but fuck, at least find some talented friends.

Since when have people close to the band (or even the band themselves) not done most of that sort of thing? From James doing art for the Lull and Peel Sessions EPs, to Yelena Yemchuk directing videos and providing photos for releases all through the MCIS and Adore era, there is nothing new here.

DeadOpera
03-12-2010, 12:55 PM
difference is the older artwork was done by people with talent. the new artwork is done by wankers.

Araneae
03-12-2010, 01:32 PM
difference is the older artwork was done by people with talent. the new artwork is done by wankers.

Thank you.

Yelena had more talent in her pinky than all of those wankers combined. Besides, Billy just used Yelena's photography for Adore and only directed 2 MCIS videos (one being co-directed by Billy), she was the bands principle photographer but they were still shot by other photographers as well, and MCIS was done by Frank Olinsky and Machina by Vasily Kafanov. Billy was quite adventurous then and would try different things.

sincere
03-12-2010, 02:59 PM
let me first state i love billy corgan and his songwriting - he has given me a lot of aural pleasure over the years - i even got to meet him in london at the zeitgeist signing session - shook hands with him and thanked him for the music - but..........to get the Pumpkins back on any form i PERSONALLY think we need to see old faces - namely give MADM the full time bass job - we all know her new solo album will do nothing for her bank account.............and i like her. she seems a much more positive girl than d'arcy or even whats-her-face sp2. Matt Walker for drums - lets fucking do it that way BC - then at least it'll be some semblance of SP......please. but songs wise - i prefer the new stuff to Zeitgeist-era. so thats a good start.

Corganist
03-12-2010, 03:19 PM
Thank you.

Yelena had more talent in her pinky than all of those wankers combined. Besides, Billy just used Yelena's photography for Adore and only directed 2 MCIS videos (one being co-directed by Billy), she was the bands principle photographer but they were still shot by other photographers as well, and MCIS was done by Frank Olinsky and Machina by Vasily Kafanov. Billy was quite adventurous then and would try different things.

What you think of their talent is beside the point. It doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of the direction of the band's art has been more based on who has been in or around them at the time, and it's always been that way.

srt4b
03-12-2010, 03:31 PM
Maybe that dude from Primus will apply.

Araneae
03-12-2010, 08:56 PM
What you think of their talent is beside the point. It doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of the direction of the band's art has been more based on who has been in or around them at the time, and it's always been that way.

I already explained to you that Billy did not decide the artwork "based on who has been in or around them at the time." And what the hell does that even mean, "based on who has been in or around them at the time?" Obviously, yes, those people were around at the time. The difference is that they were not Billy's buddies, they were professionally trained and practicing artists, whom he hired to design the artwork or videos. Therefore, the great majority of the artwork and videos were done by a variety of talented people - not directly associated with Billy.

Nitwazo
03-12-2010, 09:34 PM
Makes me wish I kept with bass actually... It'd be worth the admission to the circus...

thomas_bland
03-12-2010, 10:36 PM
Lets be realistic, anybody can play bass for The Smashing Pumpkins. Most pro's probably don't want to. I could do it and i'm pretty dogshit! It'll be down to what the crystals say on any given day.

paranoid
03-12-2010, 11:30 PM
I already explained to you that Billy did not decide the artwork "based on who has been in or around them at the time." And what the hell does that even mean, "based on who has been in or around them at the time?" Obviously, yes, those people were around at the time. The difference is that they were not Billy's buddies, they were professionally trained and practicing artists, whom he hired to design the artwork or videos. Therefore, the great majority of the artwork and videos were done by a variety of talented people - not directly associated with Billy.

correct. and it just so happens he ended up fucking Yelena after he hired her. But he hired her as a pro artist first, and it proved to be a great hire.

Pizza Club
03-13-2010, 02:06 AM
i'm pretty dogshit!

.

Musica
03-13-2010, 08:08 AM
I already explained to you that Billy did not decide the artwork "based on who has been in or around them at the time." And what the hell does that even mean, "based on who has been in or around them at the time?" Obviously, yes, those people were around at the time. The difference is that they were not Billy's buddies, they were professionally trained and practicing artists, whom he hired to design the artwork or videos. Therefore, the great majority of the artwork and videos were done by a variety of talented people - not directly associated with Billy.
Yes, he has been picking up almost amateur people for both design and music in these days. I guess he is interested in, a sort of excavation activity. Maybe it makes him to feel he digs up a diamond in the rough.

RenewRevive
03-13-2010, 08:48 AM
maybe this is how he unearthed those hand-carved obelisks

Musica
03-13-2010, 09:33 AM
maybe this is how he unearthed those hand-carved obelisks
Haha. Maybe.

I think it is nothing wrong. He can creates his creation in whatever he wants to be. I say I don't like it if I don't like it, even he picked up a very very worldwide famous artist for the design.
And if he discovers some huge talented amateur artist, it would be great and interesting to me. Like, he could have been discovered Pablo Picasso before he died without seeing the light of day.

srt4b
03-13-2010, 11:54 AM
fuck. the hippies have invaded this place.

Corganist
03-13-2010, 01:46 PM
I already explained to you that Billy did not decide the artwork "based on who has been in or around them at the time." And what the hell does that even mean, "based on who has been in or around them at the time?" Obviously, yes, those people were around at the time. The difference is that they were not Billy's buddies, they were professionally trained and practicing artists, whom he hired to design the artwork or videos. Therefore, the great majority of the artwork and videos were done by a variety of talented people - not directly associated with Billy.

So you would have me believe that Yelena's continued working relationship with the band for all those years was because she was the best person for the job that whole time and not at all because she happened to be Billy's girlfriend for a lot of that time? Come on now. Let's not pretend talent has really been an end-all, be-all factor here.

Yes, when the band had a label they were able to afford to go out from time to time and hire different artists, but that doesn't negate that Billy has always had the tendency to keep it within his circle when it suited him. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he does it now, especially since he is footing the bill.

paranoid
03-13-2010, 02:15 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP CORGANIST.

Corganist
03-13-2010, 02:28 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP CORGANIST.

STOP STAYING STUPID SHIT THAT MAKES NO SENSE THEN.

Esty
03-13-2010, 02:37 PM
STOP STAYING STUPID SHIT THAT MAKES NO SENSE THEN.

Then how about you shut the fuck up. Everything you say is fucking stupid. I can understand sticking up for the guy but always, always, always, always finding him not at fault, it's just not possible.

You know, if you criticize him now and then, he's still not going to give a fuck about you. It's not like hes going to say your name in concert or yell it out after he masturbates.

Araneae
03-13-2010, 02:38 PM
So you would have me believe that Yelena's continued working relationship with the band for all those years was because she was the best person for the job that whole time and not at all because she happened to be Billy's girlfriend for a lot of that time? Come on now. Let's not pretend talent has really been an end-all, be-all factor here.

Yes, when the band had a label they were able to afford to go out from time to time and hire different artists, but that doesn't negate that Billy has always had the tendency to keep it within his circle when it suited him. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he does it now, especially since he is footing the bill.

Are you for real? You just seem to love arguing for the sake of arguing and you can't stand to be wrong. Again, I already explained all of this to you. Let's try this one last time. Yelena was hired by Billy before they started dating. She directed only 2 SP videos (33 and Zero, both of which are unique and great videos) and one album shoot (which suited the Adore album wonderfully - so, yes, she was the best for the job) in the entire time they were together (9 years). Yelena is professionally trained and talented, I'm not the biggest fan of her work but I can admit that she is unique and talented. She is also known in the industry and has made a name for herself in the fashion industry too, often shooting for vogue internationally. Also, what circle did he keep it in back then? Please provide examples instead stating the same fucking thing over and over.

Ol' Couch Ass
03-13-2010, 02:45 PM
Lately Corganist reminds of the kid we all knew in elementary school who constantly boasted about how much better his dad was at everything than your dad even though his dad was an alcoholic loser. "YEAH?!?! Well my dad can throw a football FURTHER than your dad!!!!"

Corganist
03-13-2010, 02:59 PM
Are you for real? You just seem to love arguing for the sake of arguing and you can't stand to be wrong. Again, I already explained all of this to you. Let's try this one last time. Yelena was hired by Billy before they started dating. She directed only 2 SP videos (33 and Zero, both of which are unique and great videos) and one album shoot (which suited the Adore album wonderfully - so, yes, she was the best for the job) in the entire time they were together (9 years). Yelena is professionally trained and talented, I'm not the biggest fan of her work but I can admit that she is unique and talented. She is also known in the industry and has made a name for herself in the fashion industry too, often shooting for vogue internationally.

All you have explained is maybe why it's not so bad that Billy let his girlfriend do art related to the band. That's beside the point. The point is that for whatever talent Yelena may have, and for however good a job she did on her work for the band, you cannot say with a straight face that being Billy's girlfriend didn't have the biggest role to play in her having the majority of it. A talented hanger on is still a hanger on.

All I'm saying is that it is hypocritical to call Billy out as pathetic for letting Kristen Burns take his pictures all the time, and then somehow hold up Yelena Yemchuk in the same breath. Yes, there may be a difference in talent level...but ultimately they have both gotten the work they have with SP because Billy likes them personally, nothing more. I don't like it, but it's nothing new for him to give his buddies work with his band, talent level be damned.

Also, what circle did he keep it in back then? Please provide examples instead stating the same fucking thing over and over.

I've provided examples. James did artwork for a couple releases (Peel Sessions EP, w/ D'arcy on the Lull EP). Billy did his own artwork time to time (Tonight single, TAFH booklet, etc.). Yelena was all over the Adore era. That's not to say he never went for outside artists. Of course he did when he had a label who'd pay for it. But it's just revisionist history to act like the band always had disinterested professionals doing all of the art and photography until Billy brought in his cronies when he got to LA.

Corganist
03-13-2010, 03:03 PM
Then how about you shut the fuck up. Everything you say is fucking stupid. I can understand sticking up for the guy but always, always, always, always finding him not at fault, it's just not possible.

You know, if you criticize him now and then, he's still not going to give a fuck about you. It's not like hes going to say your name in concert or yell it out after he masturbates.

Oh I have more than enough criticisms of the guy. But it's hard to sound critical when I have to keep pointing out how utterly ridiculous the criticisms of others are.

Araneae
03-13-2010, 03:30 PM
All you have explained is maybe why it's not so bad that Billy let his girlfriend do art related to the band. That's beside the point. The point is that for whatever talent Yelena may have, and for however good a job she did on her work for the band, you cannot say with a straight face that being Billy's girlfriend didn't have the biggest role to play in her having the majority of it. A talented hanger on is still a hanger on.

Again, she was hired before they started dating. And yes I can say with a straight face that her talent was the driving force behind her role. She also did the band photography for another huge band at the time, Savage Garden (you couldn't escape that fucking "truly, madly, deeply" song at the time).


All I'm saying is that it is hypocritical to call Billy out as pathetic for letting Kristen Burns take his pictures all the time, and then somehow hold up Yelena Yemchuk in the same breath. Yes, there may be a difference in talent level...but ultimately they have both gotten the work they have with SP because Billy likes them personally, nothing more. I don't like it, but it's nothing new for him to give his buddies work with his band, talent level be damned.

My point is that Yelena did not do all of the band's photography. Other photographers over the years, when they were together, did album shoots and magazine shoots. As it stands now, Billy has not allowed a single person other than Kristin to shoot him and all of the bands artwork is done by Linda and friends. There is absolutely no variety or work of interest being created there. I can't explain just how fucking awful those watercolour drawings are for tbk.


I've provided examples. James did artwork for a couple releases (Peel Sessions EP, w/ D'arcy on the Lull EP). Billy did his own artwork time to time (Tonight single, TAFH booklet, etc.). Yelena was all over the Adore era. That's not to say he never went for outside artists. Of course he did when he had a label who'd pay for it. But it's just revisionist history to act like the band always had disinterested professionals doing all of the art and photography until Billy brought in his cronies when he got to LA.

James, D'arcy, and Billy were part of the band, they don't count, especially since it was only singles artwork. The complaint that he does not have the financial backing simply doesn't stand. There are plenty of artists making really creative videos for cheap, especially since technology has made it easier for people to do so. It's not revisionist history whatsoever. The fact is, in the past four years or so since moving to LA, he has not once worked with anyone outside Linda, Justin, Kristin, and his other LA buddies. Even the guest writers on his spiritual blog are all of his friends. I don't know, maybe he has just become really cheap and boring in his advanced age. For some reason, that I can't comprehend, Billy has refused to stray from his circle. Maybe there is some credence to him joining a cult after all.

Ihaguitar
03-13-2010, 04:26 PM
What you think of their talent is beside the point. It doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of the direction of the band's art has been more based on who has been in or around them at the time, and it's always been that way.

Agreed.

Ihaguitar
03-13-2010, 04:29 PM
James, D'arcy, and Billy were part of the band, they don't count, especially since it was only singles artwork. The complaint that he does not have the financial backing simply doesn't stand. There are plenty of artists making really creative videos for cheap, especially since technology has made it easier for people to do so. It's not revisionist history whatsoever. The fact is, in the past four years or so since moving to LA, he has not once worked with anyone outside Linda, Justin, Kristin, and his other LA buddies. Even the guest writers on his spiritual blog are all of his friends. I don't know, maybe he has just become really cheap and boring in his advanced age. For some reason, that I can't comprehend, Billy has refused to stray from his circle. Maybe there is some credence to him joining a cult after all.

I think he likes to be surrounded by yes men since his band has lost its fan base. He's totally in denial, cant accept that it's all in the past and he is no longer regarded as a top musician.

paranoid
03-13-2010, 04:36 PM
corganist I would never, ever hire you as a lawyer.

redbull
03-13-2010, 05:44 PM
corganist seems like he'd make a great lawyer. reminds me of levy from the wire

exactlythesame
03-13-2010, 05:56 PM
because he believes his stories no matter how riddled with holes they are

Ol' Couch Ass
03-13-2010, 06:02 PM
Do you guys think that since the announcement Monte has been bartering IT* services for piano lessons in an attempt to join the band to get closer to BC?













































*Information Technology

Musica
03-13-2010, 10:54 PM
you make it sound like none of the band were amateurs when they started out. :think:
maybe you think people can't see through your bullshit on the internet.
:confused:...:think:

Springbridge
03-14-2010, 08:58 PM
I hate to say it but Lisa was a little sloppy on the keys and Ginger was not ever really noticeable. Out with the old in with the new.

Pizza Club
03-14-2010, 09:26 PM
I hate to say it but Lisa was a little sloppy on the keys

Can you give some proof of this?

Corganist
03-14-2010, 09:54 PM
Again, she was hired before they started dating. And yes I can say with a straight face that her talent was the driving force behind her role. She also did the band photography for another huge band at the time, Savage Garden (you couldn't escape that fucking "truly, madly, deeply" song at the time).

And she was kept on for a long time and given a lot of exposure while she and Billy were dating. Again, you're just not being honest with me or yourself if you mean to seriously tell me that Billy's personal relationship with Yelena wasn't the main reason she got the work with the band she did. You can say she was qualified for it. You can say she did a good job (It's a whole other argument entirely, but I personally think the goth-y look of Yelena's work with the band was one of the big things that started their decline from the mainstream, but I digress). But surely lots of qualified, big time professional artists wanted to work with what was at the time one of the hottest bands in the country and would have done a great job. Yet we ended up with Billy's girlfriend. That wasn't coincidence.

I mean, come on, was she really the best independent choice to appear in (not work on) the SIYL video?

Riddle me this, if I'm really just making up this tendency of Billy's to work repeatedly with people he knows well, then why did the band do four videos with Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris? Why did the same guy (P.R. Brown) direct all the videos for TFE and Zeitgeist? Why did Jonas Akerlund direct two of the Machina videos? Why did the same guy direct both shitty Zwan videos? Again, Billy going to the same people repeatedly, regardless of their talent level, is not a new story. It's fortunate that he liked the very talented Dayton and Faris enough to work with them again and again, but that same principle also led to the three middle of the road videos for the TFE and Zeitgeist eras.

My point is that Yelena did not do all of the band's photography. Other photographers over the years, when they were together, did album shoots and magazine shoots. As it stands now, Billy has not allowed a single person other than Kristin to shoot him and all of the bands artwork is done by Linda and friends.

Could it possibly be because the band really isn't that high profile anymore and thus no one else really wants to do shoots of them? Billy had to practically beg Rolling Stone to do that writeup of him. Who's to say that he didn't throw in a "We'll even provide the pictures!" to sweeten the deal?

James, D'arcy, and Billy were part of the band, they don't count, especially since it was only singles artwork.

They certainly do count as examples of Billy leaving the art in the hands of people he is personally familiar with. And "singles artwork" counts at least as much as artwork meant to decorate a website or accompany a free download.

The complaint that he does not have the financial backing simply doesn't stand. There are plenty of artists making really creative videos for cheap, especially since technology has made it easier for people to do so. It's not revisionist history whatsoever. The fact is, in the past four years or so since moving to LA, he has not once worked with anyone outside Linda, Justin, Kristin, and his other LA buddies.

Not true. Most of the Zeitgeist stuff (less than three years ago) had people involved who didn't fall into this "LA cult" you guys are trying to create for him (though, like I said, he did use someone he was familiar with for the videos). You're not going to try and pretend that Shepard Fairey is now one of Billy's minions too, are you?

Billy could still get competent professionals to do the artwork for this album if he wanted. But for whatever reason, he's trying to maintain this DIY mentality where he can do everything out of his own pocket. It's part of the whole Teargarden experience, and once he gets tired of it I have no doubt he won't settle for relying on the shitty output of his friends. He's just doing it now because he trusts these people and he wants to make a point.

Even the guest writers on his spiritual blog are all of his friends. I don't know, maybe he has just become really cheap and boring in his advanced age. For some reason, that I can't comprehend, Billy has refused to stray from his circle. Maybe there is some credence to him joining a cult after all.

He's known most of those people for at least seven or eight years now, and a couple much longer than that. If he's shedding his friends in preparation to join a cult, he's doing a really shitty job of it.

redbull
03-14-2010, 11:55 PM
first dates
LINEUP | SUMMER SONIC 2010 (http://www.summersonic.com/2010/lineup/)
august 7th and 8th in japan

srt4b
03-15-2010, 01:53 PM
And she was kept on for a long time and given a lot of exposure while she and Billy were dating. Again, you're just not being honest with me or yourself if you mean to seriously tell me that Billy's personal relationship with Yelena wasn't the main reason she got the work with the band she did. You can say she was qualified for it. You can say she did a good job (It's a whole other argument entirely, but I personally think the goth-y look of Yelena's work with the band was one of the big things that started their decline from the mainstream, but I digress). But surely lots of qualified, big time professional artists wanted to work with what was at the time one of the hottest bands in the country and would have done a great job. Yet we ended up with Billy's girlfriend. That wasn't coincidence.

I mean, come on, was she really the best independent choice to appear in (not work on) the SIYL video?

Riddle me this, if I'm really just making up this tendency of Billy's to work repeatedly with people he knows well, then why did the band do four videos with Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris? Why did the same guy (P.R. Brown) direct all the videos for TFE and Zeitgeist? Why did Jonas Akerlund direct two of the Machina videos? Why did the same guy direct both shitty Zwan videos? Again, Billy going to the same people repeatedly, regardless of their talent level, is not a new story. It's fortunate that he liked the very talented Dayton and Faris enough to work with them again and again, but that same principle also led to the three middle of the road videos for the TFE and Zeitgeist eras.



Could it possibly be because the band really isn't that high profile anymore and thus no one else really wants to do shoots of them? Billy had to practically beg Rolling Stone to do that writeup of him. Who's to say that he didn't throw in a "We'll even provide the pictures!" to sweeten the deal?



They certainly do count as examples of Billy leaving the art in the hands of people he is personally familiar with. And "singles artwork" counts at least as much as artwork meant to decorate a website or accompany a free download.



Not true. Most of the Zeitgeist stuff (less than three years ago) had people involved who didn't fall into this "LA cult" you guys are trying to create for him (though, like I said, he did use someone he was familiar with for the videos). You're not going to try and pretend that Shepard Fairey is now one of Billy's minions too, are you?

Billy could still get competent professionals to do the artwork for this album if he wanted. But for whatever reason, he's trying to maintain this DIY mentality where he can do everything out of his own pocket. It's part of the whole Teargarden experience, and once he gets tired of it I have no doubt he won't settle for relying on the shitty output of his friends. He's just doing it now because he trusts these people and he wants to make a point.



He's known most of those people for at least seven or eight years now, and a couple much longer than that. If he's shedding his friends in preparation to join a cult, he's doing a really shitty job of it.

Your words will one day spite your face.

nofix
03-15-2010, 04:16 PM
Please don't tour with this shit lineup Bill Corgan. Fucking 10 year old pussy ass drummer, and two new members that will be equally skilled. What a joke.

Spira|_
03-15-2010, 07:05 PM
Oh and I can't wait till next year when Billy claims in an interview that he A Ginger because she was an evil immoral cunt who gave birth to Satans child.

LOOOL ahah awesome!

lady9
03-16-2010, 10:19 AM
I think he's hiring the quality of people that match the quality of his current output in music, quite frankly. So it's a match to me.

redbull
03-16-2010, 10:42 AM
oh great, spira|_ is back.

slunken
03-16-2010, 05:13 PM
B should get somebody who knows how to play Ichabod.

brendo_91
03-17-2010, 08:17 AM
That's the object of the mind/soul/body integration project and the new young recruits. I can already imagine a bald, birthmarked, weak-ankled, clone inside a tube.

http://i44.tinypic.com/156cvi0.jpg