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Araneae
02-02-2010, 09:34 PM
Cover Story: Billy Corgan : Illinois Entertainer (http://illinoisentertainer.com/2010/02/cover-story-billy-corgan/)
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IE: What were you doing up in Northern California over Christmas?
Billy Corgan: Uhhh . . . girlfriend things. My girlfriend’s family lives up there.

IE: Jessica?
BC: Heh heh heh. Let’s just skip all that.

IE: Well, several entertainment sites promise to tell us who you’re dating. It’s sad that you’ve now turned into prey for tabloid predators. Even reality-TV shows all feature cutthroat people competing for some sleazy prize. What’s gone wrong, as you see it?
BC: I think we’re in a sort of exponential, continually accelerating sort of . . . self-examination? And one that’s probably unprecedented in human history. And technology, of course, is facilitating that. And there are interesting upsides. Like, for example, now people are their own media server. I don’t need anyone to print my quote – I can print my own quote, and if people wanna pick it up, they do. Which is interesting, because sometimes I say things that I think are pretty edgy, and nobody gives a shit. And then I’ll say something that’s really benign, and people pick up on it and suddenly it’s on somebody else’s Web site. But then you get into the whole Andy Warhol thing, where we’re now counting down to four minutes, 59 seconds. And it’s a fascinating insight into the human psyche in that everybody, in some sort of way, really wants to be famous. And you can’t say they’re wrong to want to be famous, because there’s something about being famous that feeds the inner child and makes you feel special. And when we’re around children, we always say “You’re special,” because we want them to grow up to be special. But this is like a short-cut to “special” that seems to not quite care about the consequences of how you get there. And in our world – and I’m sure you’ve seen this – there’s been a breakdown in what I would call “critical media,” where there’s no separation of church and state anymore. There was a time when a Nirvana album was reviewed differently than, let’s say, a Monkees record. But now everybody’s on the same playing field, and they’re supposed to adhere to the same sets of rules. And the indie world, the Pitchfork world, will pretend that it’s a different set of rules, but not really. Everybody follows the same rules, because might is right, and even the indie world’s reaction to might is a complete overreaction.

IE: Well, Britain just watched Simon Cowell get livid when his latest “X Factor” winner didn’t secure the usual No. 1 Christmas week. Rage Against The Machine did, after an online anti-Cowell campaign.
BC: I saw that. And there’s been an erosion of . . . let’s call it “the credentials.” And one needs to look no further than what gets played on alternative radio these days. If you would’ve gone back in a time machine and visited one of the leading alternative stations, and told them that in 10 or 15 years they’d be playing popularity-contest winners and people who had no alternative-music pedigree, they’d go “Nah! That’ll never happen! Because our whole station’s image is based on the idea that we’re playing music that comes from the streets!” So we’ve basically had everything co-opted, hijacked, and popped out, and it goes back to the Warhol premise, which is that the obsession with being famous has been disconnected from the need to actually do something to be famous. And from my point of view, and where it gets really weird is, it inverts on itself now, where oftentimes I get more attention for things that have nothing to do with music than I do my music. And it puts me in a weird position, because, on some level, I do have to get people to listen to my music. So the jerk in the audience goes, “Yeah, but if you did better music, maybe they’d pay attention!” But c’mon. It’s not that simple. I run into people who are fans, they own six of my albums, they’ve been to five shows over nine years, and they don’t even know you have a new song out. Because they’re just not in contact with your form of media. So you can look at who’s listening and say, “Oh, not enough people are listening.” But you can’t be sure in this day and age that anybody is even coming in contact with what you’ve done. So it’s really hard to gauge what real value is.

IE: But yet everyone’s seen photographs of you and Jessica together. Print media is being replaced by visual, which only accelerates ignorance.
BC: Well, I say now to my friends, “Music’s just not enough.” Look at our culture, look who’s succeeding, and it’s usually not music-driven anymore. Or it’s music-driven, with some other angle: I won something; there’s a backstory; I did something controversial. And when I look at somebody like Adam Lambert – whom I don’t know but who I think is talented – he’s come up through a system that’s told him already, “Hey – you’re gonna get more attention by being provocative than being talented!” Does that mean that’s why he’s done what he has? No. But the feedback is there. What’s popular these days are the things that satisfy the most. You no longer have an artistically driven culture that can ride people to the mainstream. And I would say that ours was the last generation that was able to do that in an effective manner. I mean, taking street-level music and crossing it over? It’s happened in rap culture, so I can’t say that it hasn’t happened. But from a culture that was continually doing that, from Elvis and Louis Armstrong on back? It no longer seems to be able to do it, just on the incendiary sexual nature of the music. Now it has to basically have sex on top of it. And that’s when you get into the pelvis-shoving-in-the-camera stuff [on many contemporary rock videos from female artists].

IE: I think Idiocracy got it right.
BC: In a beautiful stroke of synchronicity, that’s one of the new Pumpkins drummer Mike Byrne’s favorite movies. So that shows you where his head’s at. But is humanity over with? I have a slightly different take. I tend to look at from a more spiritual perspective, which is that things need to break, or get broken enough, and then people will find their inner reserve and wanna fix them. I see signs of light, but I think it’s gonna get a lot darker, as in it’s always darkest before the dawn. But I do think that we’re headed the wrong way, and we’ve been heading the wrong way for awhile. And it’s accelerating, like that moment in Willy Wonka where they’re in the tunnel, it’s getting faster and everyone’s getting more freaked out. I think we’re testing our own tolerance for just how weird and creepy it can get.

IE: Advertising is partially to blame. As in “I shop, therefore I am!”
BC: I think it’s deeper than that. My personal beliefs are that there are forces that are purposely eroding the middle class and the intellectual structure of this country to allow it to be basically taken over by a fascist sort of framework. And I believe it’s pretty obvious that it’s already happening. Whoever the people are in charge of this world? They do an interesting thing – they run out voices to make you think you’re being heard, understood, or recognized. And it’s not just for ratings, like Glenn Beck – it’s a way to control the debate. If you say to me, “Hey! There are little green men in my backyard!” I can go, “Hey! I’ve seen ‘em, too!” So there’s nothing to fight if I’m already agreeing with you. There’s only one problem – [Beck] is on the network that helps create part of the scenario that we’re in. He’s not an “independent voice.” Independent voices don’t take commercial breaks.

IE: It’s kinda like that scene in They Live, where Rowdy Roddy Piper finally puts on the sunglasses and sees the “Consume!” ads everywhere.
BC: But the funny thing is, it’s not even subliminal anymore. Whatever that is, you don’t have to put on the sunglasses – it’s right in front of your face. We are living in an age of overt propaganda – it’s not even hidden anymore. Watch a political debate, and the pundits won’t debate the veracity of what’s being said – they’ll debate how well the person manipulated their weaknesses to appear as strengths. They’ll basically give points for, “Well, I know he’s totally full of shit. But he did a good job of convincing us that he isn’t!” If you went back to [Walter] Cronkite days, they weren’t saying that stuff.

IE: It was clear after those first few Bush/Gore debates – intelligence has now become a liability in America.
BC: Hey, it’s been a liability in my musical life! It’s been a liability all along! And I’ve had a few journalists who say, “They don’t like it if you’re smarter than them. Or even if you think you’re smarter.” But I’ve never been very good at playing the dumb genius.

IE: It seems like you’re going through a metamorphosis right now. How did you finally tap into your spiritual side?
BC: I think I just got to the point where I had to take an inventory of how I got where I got, for better or worse. I was able to look back on 20 years of my life and say, “O.K., where has this worked? And where has it not worked?” And where it worked was always where I trusted myself, no matter what anybody said or thought around me. I just trusted my instincts. And every time it had not gone well, it’s where I didn’t listen to my instincts and I betrayed my own inner common sense. And I realized that a lot of what I thought was good in my life was more in alignment with . . . let’s call ‘em “basic spiritual principles,” more than what I would call “basic material principles.” So there are good ways to make money and there are bad ways, and it’s not always an easy call, ya know? I got hammered for selling songs to commercials, when only five years ago I was bragging how I’d never sold any of the Pumpkins songs to commercials and how they’d been kept pure. Then I sold “Today” to Visa, but the person who really changed my mind on that was Pete Townshend. I’d read an interview – and I know him a little bit, so I’ve even talked to him about it – where he basically said, “Who gives a fuck if they lost their virginity in the back seat of a car to ‘My Generation’? I don’t give a shit. I put it out there to fucking be heard and sold, and I don’t care how they fucking do it!” And why is Bob Dylan doing corporate gigs? At some point, if my heroes aren’t holding to something, why the fuck am I? And I looked around and thought, “Well, no one in Alternativeland will claim me – they’ll piss on me, but they won’t claim me, even though I helped invent the genre. So where do I make this right?” And I’m not saying God came down and told me “Sell your song to Visa!” I’m saying a person, a man, has to be O.K. with who he is. So I found more solace, more peace on every level – in my musical life, my personal life, my internal life – by subscribing to spiritual principles, and about five, seven years ago I started paying more attention. And the more attention I paid, the better I felt, the less crazy I felt. And here I am, 20 years later, still able to sell records and all that stuff, so I must be here for a reason. And it’s not to annoy people, even though I’ve done a good job of that. So I started finding a deeper connected purpose with spiritual ideas about what it means to help others, serve others, and in that way serve yourself. And that led me to a place where I was comfortable enough to start talking about it. Even though I know it’s a career-killer, I don’t care, because I think it’s more punk rock to be righteously angry and spiritually forward than it is to continually wear the leather jacket with the tattoos, as if that’s somehow dangerous. That’s not dangerous anymore – they use those guys on commercials now! And as an artist, I’m attracted to the dangerous part. As someone who grew up in alternative rock, starting with Cheap Trick, I’m attracted to where it’s like, “Whoa! I don’t know how I feel about this!”

IE: I don’t trust anyone who hasn’t gone to edge of the abyss and stared in.
BC: Yeah. That’s the Nietzsche quote: “Be careful, because it’ll stare back into you!” I mean, look – Blondie was provocative in 1978. So Lady Gaga will never be as provocative as Blondie was, or Madonna was. That stuff’s been tapped out. So even just as a human being, I’m like, “Where does this feel edgy again? Where does this feel like I’m into something I’m just not sure about?” And to me, God is the third rail of public life. You just don’t really touch it unless you’re giving your Grammy speech, going “I wanna thank Jesus Christ for giving me a hit record!” So for me, it just happened – I just started falling down that hill, until I woke up one day thinking, “I must be religious! And I’ve probably been religious all along – I just didn’t know how to put it into any kind of box.”

IE: You’re revolving Teargarden around four Tarot cards – the Child, the Fool, the Skeptic and the Mystic. Was the idea to give the songs away based in your new spiritual mindset?
BC: Well, there is a spiritual principle and there of course is a marketing principle in place. But for me, on a personal level, what I’m trying to do is rekindle the flames in me that make me wanna get up every day and do this. And I find the Tarot fascinating. But I’m also pretty keen, historically, on why some of the greatest musicians and writers burn out at some point. I won’t name names, but you don’t have to look far for people who wrote unbelievable songs between the ages of 20 and 30, who never again even came close to writing anything on that level. So is that karma? Does God sorta take it away? Or has it got something to do with the system? And my opinion is that there’s something in that system that inverts itself, because when you get so known for doing something and you don’t wanna betray the audience, you kinda get locked into a philosophy. But as you get older and life changes, you don’t have the same impulses, so if you’re suddenly into reggae, you can’t play reggae because your audience isn’t gonna like it. And something dies in the artist, that joy of discovery. So over the last few years, I’ve really come to watch my . . . internal self-interest. I mean, I’m a skilled person – I can write you a song if I don’t fucking care. But the best songs come from a place of caring, of commitment and excitement. And I have this contentious relationship with my audience – they just keep getting mad at me because I don’t wave the white flag and become whatever it is I’m supposed to become now. Like some middle-aged statesman of “Gee, weren’t the ’90s great?” But they weren’t that fucking great. And that song wasn’t that good – I’m sorry. And even though the overall reaction to “Song For A Son” has been very positive, part of that positivity was that it was familiar. And, back to Pete Townshend, he said something to me personally that applies, he said, “You have to understand that for one moment in their life, you said exactly what they wanted to hear. And unfortunately, they’re just not interested in anything else you have to say. So get used to it.” But I’m not ready to throw in that towel yet.

IE: There was a nice quote on your “Everywhere” site, saying how you now strive to combine the enthusiasm of a child with the grace of an adult.
BC: Well, that’s all I have left to do. I’ve already done Angry Young Man. Already done “Gee, I almost killed myself but now I’m back.” And I’ve already done the “I hate you all!” art trip. The only thing left for me to do is just be happy and be excited and try and make great music.

Shallowed
02-02-2010, 09:45 PM
"I say things that I think are pretty edgy, and nobody gives a shit."

I wonder if he is referring to EFHTT.

Edit:

IE: I don’t trust anyone who hasn’t gone to edge of the abyss and stared in.
BC: Yeah. That’s the Nietzsche quote: “Be careful, because it’ll stare back into you!” I mean, look – Blondie was provocative in 1978. So Lady Gaga will never be as provocative as Blondie was, or Madonna was. That stuff’s been tapped out. So even just as a human being, I’m like, “Where does this feel edgy again? Where does this feel like I’m into something I’m just not sure about?” And to me, God is the third rail of public life. You just don’t really touch it unless you’re giving your Grammy speech, going “I wanna thank Jesus Christ for giving me a hit record!” So for me, it just happened – I just started falling down that hill, until I woke up one day thinking, “I must be religious! And I’ve probably been religious all along – I just didn’t know how to put it into any kind of box.”

Oh. My. God.

Shallowed
02-02-2010, 09:50 PM
"“Yeah, but if you did better music, maybe they’d pay attention!” But c’mon. It’s not that simple. I run into people who are fans, they own six of my albums, they’ve been to five shows over nine years, and they don’t even know you have a new song out. Because they’re just not in contact with your form of media."

Ugh.

For a minute A thought he would have properly addressed that. What a dick.

duovamp
02-02-2010, 09:59 PM
Pete Townshend really knows his shit.

Pizza Club
02-02-2010, 10:06 PM
And I have this contentious relationship with my audience – they just keep getting mad at me because I don’t wave the white flag and become whatever it is I’m supposed to become now. Like some middle-aged statesman of “Gee, weren’t the ’90s great?”


I want him to be the best Smashing Pumpkins he can be. I'll settle for "pretty good".

DaveKShape
02-02-2010, 10:38 PM
dude is mad insane. i'm tired of this "woe is me" attitude. i keep saying it - stop second guessing yourself and focus on your music. the '90s, society, pete townshend, what radio plays, the music industry, the dumbass who owns 6 of your albums but doesn't know you have a new song out (you don't want to pander to him anyway) - these have nothing to do with you creating music. shut up and write what you want to write and you will write good songs again.

porkfried
02-02-2010, 10:46 PM
B0LLY: STFU and make music

reprise85
02-02-2010, 10:59 PM
it's interesting how he can have good points and really stupid ones right next to each other, and go back and forth, without skipping a beat. none of it is original thought though, unfortunately.

Caine Walker
02-02-2010, 11:06 PM
what a douchebag. i used to stand up for this guy, too.

ugh... way to be my fallen hero, ya jackass.

You Said
02-02-2010, 11:13 PM
This man is a lunatic.

Araneae
02-02-2010, 11:15 PM
it's interesting how he can have good points and really stupid ones right next to each other, and go back and forth, without skipping a beat.

I was thinking the same thing. He's quite a polarizing character. "it’s more punk rock to be righteously angry and spiritually forward"...I'm not quite sure what he's going on about half the time in this interview. I'm glad that he's happy but sometimes I feel like he overthinks things far too much. Also, the fist part of the interview was strange. I don't think I've ever seen Billy publicly admit to having a girlfriend since Yelena and he answered the jsimpson questions with comments that had nothing to do with the question. I simple "no comment" would have sufficed and made more sense.

Mablak
02-02-2010, 11:28 PM
I'm glad he knows that the reaction to song for a song was positive overall

vbshlofbvgos
02-02-2010, 11:40 PM
I liked the part where he said some jerk in the crowd yells at him to make better music.

redbull
02-03-2010, 12:05 AM
oh man, the illinois entertainer. forgot about this thing

Starla
02-03-2010, 01:10 AM
The Fame has been far more interesting than the shit he's been putting out.

Pop Tart
02-03-2010, 01:38 AM
What. A. Tosser.

The thing is, we're all here (at Netphoria, not on the planet) because we still care about him in some sense, and we're disappointed at how it's all turned out. If we didn't care at all, then we'd find better things to do. So when people do find better things to do - once the hate stops - then he's got nothing, and he ought to realise that.

Catherine Wheel
02-03-2010, 01:50 AM
even though I helped invent the genre.

But I’ve never been very good at playing the dumb genius.

comedy gold

Esty
02-03-2010, 02:04 AM
Love how the cover pic makes him look like a crazy homeless person.

Corganist
02-03-2010, 02:42 AM
Eh. He sounds like he always does here. The man obviously knows his lot in life and how people perceive him, and I don't think he's far off on the reasons he gives for why things have turned out like they have. He's a lot more with it than anyone here gives him credit for.

That said, I wish he'd drop the "talking about God makes me edgy and dangerous!" shtick. If he wants to let religion influence his songwriting because it is what he is passionate about, fine. But all this talk about God being the third rail and all that BS makes it sound like he's seeking out the same kind of extramusical gimmicks that he was bitching about in the early part of the interview.

Shallowed
02-03-2010, 02:53 AM
But all this talk about God being the third rail and all that BS makes it sound like he's seeking out the same kind of extramusical gimmicks that he was bitching about in the early part of the interview.

I think he pretty much admitted that that IS what he is doing.

jczeroman
02-03-2010, 02:59 AM
it goes back to the Warhol premise, which is that the obsession with being famous has been disconnected from the need to actually do something to be famous.

I thought this was wisdom.

Caine Walker
02-03-2010, 09:13 AM
I thought this was wisdom.

lol

slunken
02-03-2010, 09:23 AM
http://illinoisentertainer.com/cover-sm.jpg

FPO?

Pop Tart
02-03-2010, 09:24 AM
Fixed!
Thank you! :love:

redbull
02-03-2010, 09:55 AM
I thought this was wisdom.

it help when you're actually artistically credible though

paranoid
02-03-2010, 09:56 AM
LOL now he's making excuses for selling out.

You know, a REAL MAN would say, 'hey fuck you! I made a lot of money selling that song to visa, more than most of you make in 10 years. fuck you, it's my song i do what i want. Now excuse me while I go fuck jessca simpsons asshole.''

but no, instead he has to be a pussy and say 'well all my heroes are doing it, so why can't I? plus my newfound spiritual journey says it's okay to sell out!'

he's such a weasel.

redbull
02-03-2010, 09:59 AM
b0lly p0p artist

cardiac
02-03-2010, 10:00 AM
LOL now he's making excuses for selling out.

You know, a REAL MAN would say, 'hey fuck you! I made a lot of money selling that song to visa, more than most of you make in 10 years. fuck you, it's my song i do what i want. Now excuse me while I go fuck jessca simpsons asshole.''

but no, instead he has to be a pussy and say 'well all my heroes are doing it, so why can't I? plus my newfound spiritual journey says it's okay to sell out!'

he's such a weasel.

This.

What a fucking douchebag.

Jesus Cambodia
02-03-2010, 10:14 AM
It's clear that music isn't his priority. He is no longer capable of seeing music as music, it's all about success and business models and his own celebrity. The man is obsessed with how the world perceives him. He even seems to be aware of it and yet unable to shake it off and just be a guy making music. And the sad thing is, hes getting farther and farther away from being the guy who just makes good music at an alarming rate, like that scene from Willy Wonka where they're in the tunnel and...

paranoid
02-03-2010, 10:17 AM
he's also seems to be making excuses for his own demise at being a relevant musician. there are musicians selling music for musics sake out there, and there's always been artists using gimmicks above talent to sell their product.. this is nothing new. he's just not relevant anymore and he thinks it's the worlds fault.

Pop Tart
02-03-2010, 12:14 PM
Why, you're welcome! But why did my username become a set of numbers?
Since the board fucked up, N-I-H-I-L-I-S-T....then again, it might have been me. Who can tell? It's a funny world.

dustrock
02-03-2010, 12:55 PM
IE: You’re revolving Teargarden around four Tarot cards – the Child, the Fool, the Skeptic and the Mystic. Was the idea to give the songs away based in your new spiritual mindset?

BC: Well, there is a spiritual principle and there of course is a marketing principle in place. But for me, on a personal level, what I’m trying to do is rekindle the flames in me that make me wanna get up every day and do this.

This was the most interesting part of the article to me. Sounds like he's forcing it, to me. If you want to write songs for Jessica Simpson, go ahead and do it! If you want to run your own record label, go ahead and do it!

Slurpee
02-03-2010, 02:17 PM
Translation of everything: I'm not gonna write good songs again, and I'm never going to apologize for it.

Forgotten Child
02-03-2010, 05:46 PM
Great interview, Billy sounds great!

SPLATTER
02-03-2010, 09:18 PM
"I think we’re in a sort of exponential, continually accelerating sort of . . . self-examination?"

SPLATTER
02-03-2010, 09:40 PM
it was fairly cohesive until it he said he was invoking spiritual principles when he took the advice of pete townsend --an old man who looks at pics of naked little boys -- and went 'who gives a fuck i'll sell a song to a credit card company '

Cade McNown
02-03-2010, 10:21 PM
Popular culture scoffs at religion these days. Being religious is indeed more edgy in the rock genre than "rebelling" against politics, etc. The only problem for him is that pumpkins fans aren't going to buy into it.

The standards for songs based around god/love/happiness are much higher than the standards for traditional themes of misery. Just look at Zwan which I believe was an amazing explosion of creative energy, yet half the people on here never gave it much of a chance. It had a similar vibe to the recent music output (though better song writing).

Billy is going to have to produce a very high level of music to regain respect if he keeps this theme.

DaveKShape
02-03-2010, 10:28 PM
i don't buy the "political uprising vs. spirituality - which is more rebellious in these times" argument. the best rock music and albums ever made - those artists never sat down and thought about which was the more poignant statement. they made art that they wanted to make for themselves, and that in and of itself became a poignant statement.

he's overanalyzing everything to the point that he's suffocating his creative spirit. he's getting the cart before the horse.

Springbridge
02-03-2010, 11:13 PM
Hate to be the odd man out here but Billy's right. I pretty much agree with what he's saying.

paranoid
02-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Hate to be the odd out here but Billy's right. I much agree with what he's saying.

please elaborate. he contradicts himself all over this interview so what are you agreeing with?

Luke de Spa
02-04-2010, 07:21 AM
that must be exhausting

Pop Tart
02-04-2010, 07:51 AM
This was the most interesting part of the article to me. Sounds like he's forcing it, to me. If you want to write songs for Jessica Simpson, go ahead and do it! If you want to run your own record label, go ahead and do it!
He should be writing songs for him that we enjoy. Like before.

....pete townsend --an old man who looks at pics of naked little boys....
He's a paedophile? I never heard about this!! :eek:

It was the board. You became "Tart" when I quoted you for the second time. How do you feel about that? I, personally, am outraged.
I'm as chaste as the day is long....on one of those planets that has one-hour days.

Popular culture scoffs at religion these days.
I don't mind God-botherers as long as they don't bother me. The people who knock on my door are working under the premise that I don't have sense enough to work out my own theological ideas and can therefore go and fuck themselves. If they're not preaching at me, I can accept their Mormonism or Satanism or whatever.

Hate to be the odd man out here but Billy's right. I pretty much agree with what he's saying.
Go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done.

SPLATTER
02-04-2010, 11:31 AM
"The guitarist was placed on the UK's sex offenders register for five years after he admitted accessing child pornography online.
He claimed he was doing research for a project."

... but still, he makes for a fine guru on matters of fame and spirituality. catch him at the super bowl this sunday!

T&T
02-04-2010, 12:37 PM
billy keeps talking about how bands are just flings because they don't appeal to the "heart of America" and he's totally right about that.

the religious thing might just be his way of appealing to those folk.
i can one thing is certain, netphorians aren't the bulk of his fans.




overall it's a curious article. he's obviously got contradictions to live with.

SPLATTER
02-04-2010, 12:56 PM
who are the bulk of his fans and what kind of places to they hang out in?

Araneae
02-04-2010, 01:09 PM
Having re-read the interview again, I was reminded of how annoying and pompous the interviewer was. Billy would also sometimes answer the interviewer's question with an unrelated answer (granted, some of the questions were stupid). His introduction (which was 5 fucking paragraphs [click the link or look below]) makes me want to punch him in the face.

If the adage holds true – that “rich is the examined life” – then it’s about time for society, as a whole, to grab its pipe and slippers, curl up in its comfiest recliner, and have a long, hard thoughtful stare into the ice-cold mirror. Chances are, Snow White’s unforgiving Maleficent might just be gazing back. What have we become in this Tiger-Woods, guilty-until-proven-innocent, media-controlled schadenfreude era? Look no further than Billy Corgan, people. The 42-year-old Smashing Pumpkins leader has lots to talk about at this surreal point in time. But do you want the ho-hum news or the real salacious dirt? Think carefully – once you’ve bitten into that poison apple, you’re a card-carrying part of the decadent problem.

Appearing: February 18th at LaSalle Power Co. in Chicago.

Corgan would love for all his fans to be aware of “A Song For A Son,” the first guitar-squealing single from his proposed 44-track set, Teargarden By Kaleidyscope. Especially since each track will be released online at The Smashing Pumpkins (http://www.smashingpumpkins.com), no strings attached, before being anthologized in 11 four-song EPs, and finally a deluxe box set for the serious collector. He’s also launching his own vanity imprint, with a kickoff signing already lined up: The Electric Prunes, with whose bassist Corgan recently worked as Spirits In The Sky, in tribute concerts to late Seeds stalwart Sky Saxon (with whom he was recording a comeback album; “And there’s some really interesting, beautiful unreleased music there,” Corgan promises).

The next composition to see release will be “Widow Wake My Mind,” a jagged-chorded, keyboard-buttressed ballad, followed by “Astral Planes” and “A Stitch In Time.” And the self-sufficient Svengali is playing/recording almost everything himself, aided in-studio by his longtime production cohort (and Catherine member) Kerry Brown and new drummer Mike Byrne, with provisional Pumpkins Jeff Schroeder (guitar) and Ginger Reyes (bass) hopping back on board for an upcoming tour. Original on/off band drummer Jimmy Chamberlin departed again last year, after ’07’s Zeitgeist album and ’08’s American Gothic EP. Additionally, Corgan just launched his own spiritual-themed blog, “Everything From Here To There,” in which he does, indeed, pore over his own existence. Often microscopically so. Which ought to be enough, relevant-fact-wise, right?

Not in this gossipy, 24-hour-news-channel age. At this writing, the latest issue of the photo-driven Us magazine has just hit the stands, with a Corgan-related story filed under “Hot Stuff.” Seems the quiet, privacy-seeking rocker has now become tabloid fodder by the simple act of dating pop star Jessica Simpson, 29 (who’s been run ragged by the paparazzi over the past few turbulent years). Several unnamed sources dish the trashy lowdown on the couple, who are “officially an item!” But why the exclamation point? Why, in fact, does society need to know any of these details at all? Some have speculated that our obsession with celebrity storylines are the one thing that unites America, rich and poor, and that as each yarn unspools to its often tragic climax, everyone keeping track around their watercoolers at work feels at one with a bigger picture: a hive mentality, with individual drones no longer able to form their own media-free opinion.

So therein hangs the tale. How does a King Bee like Corgan, who’s proven himself over 20-multi-platinum-selling years, make deeper music in a time that, a la Mike Judge’s brilliant Idiocracy, focuses squarely on the shiny surface? And who knows? By the time you read this, his relationship with Simpson already may be over, killed, perhaps, by the same nosy reporters and photographers who once trumpeted it with celebratory punctuation. And this breakup, if and when it occurs, will be excruciatingly documented, even televised, as if Giuliana Rancic and Ryan Seacrest truly feel empathy for any pain the lovers might be suffering. What happened to humanity’s innate grace and dignity? “Gone,” Corgan sighs, resigned to his Don Quixote quest of bringing intelligent art to the increasingly stupid masses. “It’s gone and it ain’t coming back.”

waltermcphilp
02-04-2010, 01:12 PM
That's a good way to bore the reader before even getting to the interview.

At least you will know what you are getting into.

duovamp
02-04-2010, 01:15 PM
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6578/66cd4790gorillacloned2b.jpg

The Omega Concern
02-04-2010, 05:07 PM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/jrnieglq.gif


I WANT BOLLY BACK!!!

Araneae
02-04-2010, 09:39 PM
You know, for someone that claims to be much happier now than he has ever been, he certainly is very doom and gloom in his latest interviews and posts (What happened to humanity’s innate grace and dignity? “Gone,” Corgan sighs...“It’s gone and it ain’t coming back.”). His latest post on efhtt, although dealing with “self-righteous anger”, is particularly unsettling and not characteristic of someone who is truly happy and at peace - though he does seem to lay the blame elsewhere here (for those curious - Everything From Here To There Blog Archive How to Put Your Good Anger to Use Pt. 3 (http://www.everythingfromheretothere.com/2010/02/04/how-to-put-your-good-anger-to-use-pt-3/))

Catherine Wheel
02-04-2010, 10:16 PM
He's not so much doom and gloom as he is just whiny and full of excuses for why he hasn't been as successful.

SPLATTER
02-04-2010, 10:52 PM
i can't believe he posted on that site again

And also, wow. that interviewer must be really young and hasn't learned that you should never try to be smart by using clever phrases and words. Just say what you want to say.

SPLATTER
02-04-2010, 10:53 PM
jesus christ...the same should be said for billy. his writing is god awful.

Pop Tart
02-04-2010, 11:51 PM
"The guitarist was placed on the UK's for five years after he admitted accessing pornography online.
He claimed he was doing research for a project."
And yet when Michael Jackson died, Billy tweeted something like: Today is a celebration for victims of child abuse.

Could it be that he's a....hypocrite? :eek:

SPLATTER
02-05-2010, 12:53 PM
billy really tweeted that after mj died? holy shit.

Mayfuck
02-05-2010, 01:21 PM
I'm very convinced this board appeals to people with low IQs which is why I hardly post here anymore. Most of what he said about the entertainment industry and the current political discourse in America was pretty insightful and spot on. The only spot of disagreement was his willingness to have songs used in commercials. While tasteless, I think, at this point, its pretty forgivable. You guys are just on autopilot now and struggling to make any kind of coherent sense.

Mayfuck
02-05-2010, 01:22 PM
And yet when Michael Jackson died, Billy tweeted something like: Today is a celebration for victims of child abuse.

Could it be that he's a....hypocrite? :eek:

I think it was established that this was purely conjecture and that it was referencing something else completely.

june_soma
02-05-2010, 08:02 PM
"...you don’t have to look far for people who wrote unbelievable songs between the ages of 20 and 30, who never again even came close to writing anything on that level."

So true Billy! :rofl:


Yeah, not farther than the closest mirror. :(

Musica
02-05-2010, 09:17 PM
And yet when Michael Jackson died, Billy tweeted something like: Today is a celebration for victims of child abuse.

Could it be that he's a....hypocrite? :eek:
Wrong.

@Billy
Today is a day where we should remember all the children who are victimes of abuse.
I think it was established that this was purely conjecture and that it was referencing something else completely.

I guess so too, but we never know since Mr. Sky Saxon was gone a same day with MJ.

Pop Tart
02-05-2010, 09:19 PM
I think it was established that this was purely conjecture and that it was referencing something else completely.
I was wrong - he said it on the day of the funeral, but seeing as you couldn't escape the funeral unless you were completely deaf, blind and imbecilic, I would have thought it was a pretty random comment to make if it didn't refer to MJ.

stumpycat
02-05-2010, 11:53 PM
Wrong.

@Billy
Today is a day where we should remember all the children who are victims of abuse.


I guess so too, but we never know since Mr. Sky Saxon was gone a same day with MJ.
It's an ambiguous comment. But many people (and almost certainly Billy) are well aware of the strong assertion that Michael Jackson himself was the victim of emotional and physical child abuse at the hands of his father, and that it played a significant role his bizarre and ultimately deadly behavior as an adult.

srt4b
02-06-2010, 12:53 AM
Bill is not as smart as he thinks he is.


Again, STFU and rock.

paranoid
02-06-2010, 12:55 AM
It's an ambiguous comment. But many people (and almost certainly Billy) are well aware of the strong assertion that himself was the victim of emotional and physical at the hands of his father, and that it played a significant role his bizarre and ultimately deadly behavior as an adult.

This. A few days later BC said 'now we've seen what happens to a man when he loses touch with his music..' or something to that effect.. and everyone interpreted it as bc saying negative things about MJ.. but it seemed pretty clear that BC was relating in some way to the abuse MJ suffered as a child, and felt the death was unfortunate.

Pop Tart
02-06-2010, 05:40 AM
This. A few days later BC said 'now we've seen what happens to a when he loses with his music..' or something to that effect.. and everyone interpreted it as bc saying negative things about MJ....
....or maybe even referring to himself? :)

pinballzero
02-06-2010, 05:44 AM
"The guitarist was placed on the UK's for five years after he admitted accessing online.
He claimed he was doing for a project."

... but still, he makes for a fine guru on matters of fame and . catch him at the super bowl this sunday!

Get off my boy Pete, he was cleared...

Catherine Wheel
02-06-2010, 05:52 AM
Someone should make a Billy Corgan / Michael Jackson comparison thread.

Pop Tart
02-06-2010, 06:05 AM
Someone should make a Billy Corgan / Michael Jackson comparison thread.
Skin: Michael was pastier.

Dates: Bubbles was thrown out of less restaurants for throwing his own faeces at other diners than Courtney Love was.

FACT.

Catherine Wheel
02-06-2010, 07:05 AM
Who do you think is more eccentric?

Luke de Spa
02-06-2010, 07:10 AM
fewer. whom.

Pop Tart
02-06-2010, 10:27 AM
Who do you think is more eccentric?
Hrm....that's a bit of a toss up.

slunken
02-06-2010, 02:49 PM
I'm very convinced this board appeals to people with low IQs which is why I hardly post here anymore. Most of what he said about the entertainment industry and the current political discourse in America was pretty insightful and spot on. The only spot of disagreement was his willingness to have songs used in commercials. While tasteless, I think, at this point, its pretty forgivable. You guys are just on autopilot now and struggling to make any kind of coherent sense.

Cool story. Why did u wake up this morning?

T&T
02-06-2010, 04:21 PM
You guys are just on autopilot now and struggling to make any kind of coherent sense.
we're just like our idol. mr billy corgan.

TuralyonW3
02-06-2010, 06:27 PM
Everything From Here To There Blog Archive How to Put Your Good Anger to Use Pt. 3 (http://www.everythingfromheretothere.com/2010/02/04/how-to-put-your-good-anger-to-use-pt-3/))

god this is just absolute dogshit