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Shallowed
11-16-2009, 09:33 PM
I think I am a little bit racist, not outwardly though, as in I don't express or act upon my racist thoughts.

I sometimes have racist thoughts about Asians and slightly more racist thoughts about Maoris.

Mayfuck
11-16-2009, 09:36 PM
I think I am a little bit racist, not outwardly though, as in I don't express or act upon my racist thoughts.

I sometimes have racist thoughts about Asians and slightly more racist thoughts about Maoris.

kudos for your honesty. from my time spent on this board, too many people are afraid to admit it.

sickbadthing
11-16-2009, 09:43 PM
i like black man on white woman MANDINGO porn

THAT DON'T MAKE ME A RACIST

Dogfighter28
11-16-2009, 09:48 PM
I have always had an undercurrent of racism to my humor, though I never really had a bone to pick with anyone because of their race.

That all changed a couple of weeks ago, however, when an afro-american stole $100 from me.

slunken
11-16-2009, 09:50 PM
too many people are afraid to admit it.

everybody is racist to some extent. just not everybody acts on it.

Eric Blair
11-16-2009, 10:08 PM
I have to say when the media sensationalises the actions of some Chinese gangs here I will think things that are a bit racist. Nothing that ever moves beyond a kind of gut reaction though and I like to think I can always recognise how unreasonable it is.

edit: actually, the qualms I feel over immigration are less based on race and more on the fact we manage to let organised criminals enter the country in general, so not all that racist really.

Mayfuck
11-16-2009, 10:27 PM
everybody is racist to some extent.

yeah this phrase is so hackneyed and still no less disgusting and really just meant to justify the racism of the person who is saying it.

Eric Blair
11-16-2009, 10:29 PM
I think it might be better to say everyone is xenophobic to some extent but I don't think that is true either.

samuel redman
11-16-2009, 10:29 PM
i don't want to say i'm "racist" but if i really think about it, i am. but im not racist to a particular person or color per se, im racist to their culture. my classic example would be people on the streets tendering drugs and attacking woman. what's even worse is you get decently raised white boys trying to act in the same manner. it's just a shame.

redbreegull
11-16-2009, 10:46 PM
everybody is racist to some extent. just not everybody acts on it.

no, not everyone is racist to some extent.

Shallowed
11-16-2009, 10:48 PM
When the balloon boy thing happened, I was secretly thinking "those crazy Asians".

Mayfuck
11-16-2009, 10:53 PM
I think it might be better to say everyone is xenophobic to some extent but I don't think that is true either.

This is not true either.

The real issue is that people with a shallow line of thought--which slunken has shown to express many times over on this board--and their tendency to conflate racism with the natural human desire for essentialism. Unfortunately most people are born into situations and societies where that essentialism gets distorted through economic, social and cultural mores of their surroundings. Most children would benefit from their parents being frank and open about racial topics and instilling political correctness in them rather than just tiding them over with vague platitudes like "under our skin we're all the same."

Eric Blair
11-16-2009, 11:01 PM
Yeah, that's right. I was going to say it is generally a problem of the poorly educated, but after thinking about it, it seems like you can't really say that either. In France and Germany there are major issues with immigrants from North Africa and Turkey, and the racist backlash doesn't seem as though it is stemmed by a higher degree of education.

So I think the 'vague platitudes' you mention is a pretty widespread problem. Not just confined to American southern rednecks who are such an easy target that you can attack them and feel vindicated even though you really haven't even begun to approach the real problems.

redbreegull
11-16-2009, 11:02 PM
If you are smart enough to understand there is no biological legitimization for the concept of race, you're smart enough to not be a racist.

Eric Blair
11-16-2009, 11:02 PM
When the balloon boy thing happened, I was secretly thinking "those crazy Asians".
Even though the person who planned the whole thing wasn't asian?

redbull
11-16-2009, 11:23 PM
i really don't like china

Joe
11-16-2009, 11:47 PM
yeah i am kinda racist. it's not that other races really bother me it's just the cliche stereotypical behavior that bugs me more than anything. i dunno, i never let it affect my handling of people

Eric Blair
11-16-2009, 11:50 PM
This is the thread where you make yourself feel better by admitting racist thoughts, congratulate yourself for being honest, pat each other on the back, and then make sure everyone realises you would never actually act on these racist thoughts.

Joe
11-17-2009, 12:08 AM
fuck off gaylord

Toast
11-17-2009, 12:16 AM
I dunno. I hate political correctness and love to laugh at racist jokes but i give everyone i meet the benefit of the doubt, regardless of race. what race somone is really isn't a big deal with me.

Mayfuck
11-17-2009, 12:20 AM
Oh and to answer this thread, no, I'm not racist nor have I ever been or will be.

talk show host
11-17-2009, 12:45 AM
In keeping with the order of the day, shouldn't this be a 'rolling "are you a racist?" thread' where people came come in with stories and update their status or something?

I remember a while back a guy I went to school with and his mother were telling me some story that involved the father's car being broken into. The mother made some slur against Polynesians and said something along the lines of 'sorry, XX's car got broken into the other night so Polynesians aren't really in our good books at the moment' or something.

She prefaced the explanation by saying she hoped I 'wasn't P.C.'

Shallowed
11-17-2009, 01:14 AM
Even though the person who planned the whole thing wasn't asian?

At the time I didn't know that. I just knew he was really crazy.

Shallowed
11-17-2009, 01:18 AM
'sorry, XX's car got broken into the other night so Polynesians aren't really in our good books at the moment' or something.

She prefaced the explanation by saying she hoped I 'wasn't P.C.'

Yeah, I look down on that kind of thing. That's not funny, that's just ignorant. I wonder what she'd think if it was a white person who stole the car. I'm certainly nowhere near racist enough to think she was right for saying that.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 01:49 AM
If you are smart enough to understand there is no biological legitimization for the concept of race, you're smart enough to not be a racist.

This is a foolish statement. There are differences between the races. Africans, for example, have more fast twitch muscle fibers, giving them a better chance of running faster or longer. There are some diseases that only affect certain races. To say there are no biological differences is ridiculous.

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11-17-2009, 02:10 AM
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ohnoitsbonnie
11-17-2009, 02:11 AM
Hey Rache

Mo
11-17-2009, 02:20 AM
I don't like Mayfuck. Does that make me racist?

russian iha
11-17-2009, 02:58 AM
Racism is like an arab - it's better to him not to exist.

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 03:09 AM
At the time I didn't know that. I just knew he was really crazy.
Oh, so your thought process was basically 'someone is doing something really crazy, must be an asian'?

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 03:23 AM
I think it might be better to say everyone is xenophobic to some extent but I don't think that is true either.
in the broadest sense of the term this is definitely true

Shallowed
11-17-2009, 03:34 AM
Oh, so your thought process was basically 'someone is doing something really crazy, must be an asian'?

In all seriousness, I just wasn't surprised that it was an Asian boy was getting involved with all of it.

Then I found out who the family and specifically who the dad was and that he is an American, and then I kind of felt ashamed at myself for thinking that first about an Asian but not an American who is clearly the most eccentric person in his family.

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:16 AM
lol @ "fast twitch muscle fibers"

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 04:22 AM
http://saenenalexander.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/turken-terug-naar-marokko.jpg

it says: "turks back to morocco".

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:25 AM
why would they go back to morocco instead of turkey

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 04:25 AM
Thanks for the translation, I don't speak Turkish

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 04:27 AM
why would they go back to morocco instead of turkey

don't ask me. i didn't write that.

it's just an example of a very stupid racist person, i guess.

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:30 AM
we don't get a lot of this in texas because we don't have many latin ethnicities other than mexican but i do love it when someone calls someone who is *******an or puerto rican or south american a "mexican" makes me laugh a lot

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:31 AM
though this exchange happens often re: Manu Ginobili

"he's a mexican or something"
"he's from argentina"
"Same thing."

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 04:32 AM
cool as ice cream why cant your people speak correct german are you dumb or something

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:34 AM
isn't he danish or belgian or mexican or something

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 04:34 AM
same thing

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 04:36 AM
english is just low german for retards

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:38 AM
fucking mexicans why don't they go back to andorra where they came from

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 04:38 AM
i thought they were from latium

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 04:40 AM
same thing

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 04:42 AM
julio let's meet up in rome, home of your ancestors

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 04:58 AM
cool as ice cream why cant your people speak correct german are you dumb or something

it's because of the war.

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 04:59 AM
some wounds never heal

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 05:03 AM
hating the germans isn't racist, because germans aren't a race.

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 05:07 AM
don't talk about the war!

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 05:26 AM
wir haben es nicht gewusst.

Starla
11-17-2009, 06:00 AM
I'm working with two white women who do not like anyone outside of their race. I have to listen to them bitch about mexican immigrants, black welfare recipients, and native am indians. They mostly bitch about native women who come for free clothes, or help with child care. They don't know that I'm native b/c I'm fair skinned.
The racism here is probably worse than any I saw while living in Ca. These white people who own generational land and /or live on old money, cattle ranchers or rich banker/coporates that come up here, want the area to themselves. They are going nuts over the amount of mexicans who've been moving up here to seek a better life.

So lately, my racism has been directed at white people with a sense of entitlement.

mistle
11-17-2009, 06:48 AM
racism seems pretty natural to me. it's the same reason we care more about animals that look like us. the less someone looks and acts like you and the people you're used to, the harder it is to identify and empathize with them

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 07:03 AM
racism seems pretty natural to me. it's the same reason we care more about animals that look like us. the less someone looks and acts like you and the people you're used to, the harder it is to identify and empathize with them
Yeah because a different race is just like a whole other species right?

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 07:22 AM
exactly. and they stink.

duovamp
11-17-2009, 07:24 AM
I'm rapist.

Cool As Ice Cream
11-17-2009, 07:28 AM
I'm rapist.

all races?

D.
11-17-2009, 08:05 AM
it's not the races i dislike, it's the homuhsexuals

slunken
11-17-2009, 08:28 AM
The real issue is that people with a shallow line of thought--which slunken has shown to express many times over on this board--and their tendency to conflate racism with the natural human desire for essentialism.

oh this is rich.

D.
11-17-2009, 10:34 AM
someone at work just now was telling a story, in which a guy left a girl because he couldn't deal with her having breast cancer, and he said "he really jewed her."

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 12:23 PM
This is a foolish statement. There are differences between the races. Africans, for example, have more fast twitch muscle fibers, giving them a better chance of running faster or longer. There are some diseases that only affect certain races. To say there are no biological differences is ridiculous.

hey asshole

Race (classification of human beings) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_human_beings%29)

The academic consensus is that, while racial categories may be marked by sets of common phenotypic or genotypic traits, the popular idea of "race" is a social construct without base in scientific fact

What we "see" as race is only groups of a few phenotypic traits that have been propagated in a certain population over time. Diseases that affect certain races? Oh, ok, let's talk sickle cell. Sickle cell is a mutation that developed as a protection against malaria. Therefore populations of people from malaria stricken areas are the ones who carry the sickle cell gene. Where is malaria most prevalent? Africa.

Read a fucking book.

smashingjj
11-17-2009, 12:55 PM
I pretty much invented racism.

smashingjj
11-17-2009, 12:56 PM
But now I inverted it.

Order 66
11-17-2009, 01:00 PM
in the words of chris rock, i'm not racist; just racially aware

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 01:32 PM
Redbreegull: "...there is no biological legitimization for the concept of race..."



Learn to read.Sorry, no matter how you decide to phrase it in politically correct gibberish, there are differences between the races, or sub-species of humans.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 01:38 PM
hey asshole

Race (classification of human beings) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_human_beings%29)



What we "see" as race is only groups of a few phenotypic traits that have been propagated in a certain population over time. Diseases that affect certain races? Oh, ok, let's talk sickle cell. Sickle cell is a mutation that developed as a protection against malaria. Therefore populations of people from malaria stricken areas are the ones who carry the sickle cell gene. Where is malaria most prevalent? Africa.

Read a fucking book.
Your PC redefinition of the word "race" doesn't change anything. Does it matter whether we use the word "race" or not?

Sickle cell is a good example. It formed as a mutation in genes in order to protect against another disease. That's evolution. So what you're saying is, certain humans split off from the gene pool and evolved differently.

So did humans and horses and frogs at one point diversify themselves through evolution.

Humans are most similar to dogs in that a dachshund and a beagle are both dogs, can interbreed, and yet are different genetically.

Would it make you happier if I refer to people as the Caucasian breed or the Native American breed? Would that be a better word than "race"?

dudehitscar
11-17-2009, 01:53 PM
I hate everyone... unless I like you.


I think with most people it's a dislike for a certain aspects of cultures.. Great dislike of hip hop culture is not racism against blacks. Any more than hating frat boys with fake orange tans and popped collars make you a racist against whites. I'm currently living in Saudi Arabia and hate many things about the culture here but when I'm at work with Arabs in traditional saudi garb I see human beings not psycho religious idiots.

I think most true racists are just blind to their cultures own failings. They don't realize that no matter where you go people can be annoying and dumb. We are most used to and can ignore the annoyances and stupidity of those we were brought up around. It's really that simple.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 01:58 PM
Your PC redefinition of the word "race" doesn't change anything. Does it matter whether we use the word "race" or not?

Sickle cell is a good example. It formed as a mutation in genes in order to protect against another disease. That's evolution. So what you're saying is, certain humans split off from the gene pool and evolved differently.

So did humans and horses and frogs at one point diversify themselves through evolution.

Humans are most similar to dogs in that a dachshund and a beagle are both dogs, can interbreed, and yet are different genetically.

Would it make you happier if I refer to people as the Caucasian breed or the Native American breed? Would that be a better word than "race"?

Did you not go to college or what? I really can't believe you want to argue this. You obviously know nothing about biology or anthropology. Usually I think you're an asshole for twisting facts, but in this case you are absolutely 100% factually wrong.

First of all, race is NOT the same thing as a sub-species. Your breed argument does not make sense either. Yes, a dachshund and a beagle are the same animal... they also happen to be significantly more genetically stratified than any two groups of humans you care to find on the face of the Earth. There is very, very little genetic stratification in human beings, even compared with other mammals. Second of all, different kinds of dogs were BRED so that certain traits would be more prevalent in future generations. You can compare this to the effects of human diaspora if you want, but nearly every genetic trait present in all the different populations of human beings on the Earth can be found in Africa. This is NOT evolution Nimrod. This is just groups of people moving away from each other resulting in the isolation of certain traits because of reproduction in a limited population.

Also my definition of race is not the "pc" one, it is the one recognized by the scientific community. You are a complete fucking moron if you honestly believe that race has anything to do with anything except culture.

publius clodius
11-17-2009, 02:24 PM
don't. reply. to nimrod.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 02:48 PM
Did you not go to college or what? I really can't believe you want to argue this. You obviously know nothing about biology or anthropology. Usually I think you're an asshole for twisting facts, but in this case you are absolutely 100% factually wrong.

First of all, race is NOT the same thing as a sub-species. Your breed argument does not make sense either. Yes, a dachshund and a beagle are the same animal... they also happen to be significantly more genetically stratified than any two groups of humans you care to find on the face of the Earth. There is very, very little genetic stratification in human beings, even compared with other mammals. Second of all, different kinds of dogs were BRED so that certain traits would be more prevalent in future generations. You can compare this to the effects of human diaspora if you want, but nearly every genetic trait present in all the different populations of human beings on the Earth can be found in Africa. This is NOT evolution Nimrod. This is just groups of people moving away from each other resulting in the isolation of certain traits because of reproduction in a limited population.

Also my definition of race is not the "pc" one, it is the one recognized by the scientific community. You are a complete fucking moron if you honestly believe that race has anything to do with anything except culture.

This is absolutely politically correct nonsense that you of course learned in college because that's all they teach there anymore.

Do you still deny there are differences between the "ethnicities" (is that a word you'll accept)?

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 03:08 PM
All I can say is that it is very saddening to me that people still believe things like this, even in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence. It is very divisive and it feeds the illusion that our appearances as humans make us different from one another.

Of course this must be the result of my learning about race via higher education, versus the superior way you learned about race, through cultural stereotypes and heuristics.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 03:14 PM
Do you still deny there are differences between the "ethnicities" (is that a word you'll accept)?

killtrocity
11-17-2009, 03:22 PM
POPULATIONS WITHIN AFRICA HAVE GREATER GENETIC DIVERSITY BETWEEN EACH OTHER THAN POPULATIONS OUTSIDE AFRICA

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 03:31 PM
No Nimrod, there is no biological evidence for difference in ethnicity either. There is no such thing as ethnicity, except in culture. There are no distinct ethnic groups of people. If you want to know where black Africans stop being black Africans and start being Arabs, the answer is nowhere. The physical traits you associate with these groups changes steadily over large geographic areas. Ethnic divisions are based on culture.

I really wish you would go find a scientific source that supports your argument because you are about half a century late on this.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 04:42 PM
No Nimrod, there is no biological evidence for difference in ethnicity either. There is no such thing as ethnicity, except in culture. There are no distinct ethnic groups of people. If you want to know where black Africans stop being black Africans and start being Arabs, the answer is nowhere. The physical traits you associate with these groups changes steadily over large geographic areas. Ethnic divisions are based on culture.

I really wish you would go find a scientific source that supports your argument because you are about half a century late on this.

How much do you want to bet if two chinese people have a baby it looks chinese and not african

barden
11-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Oh and to answer this thread, no, I'm not racist nor have I ever been or will be.

Using the ideals and expectations you put on others with regards to their racial beliefs or contexts, I have often thought that by your own definition, you are indeed a racist.

But by general definition, I guess not.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 05:17 PM
How much do you want to bet if two chinese people have a baby it looks chinese and not african

If you actually knew anything about genetics, you would know that how similar two individuals look is not indicative of how closely they are genetically related.

Do you know the difference between a genotype and phenotype? I mean, obviously not, so you should start by investigating those two terms and then maybe we can take baby steps forward in explaining this to you.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 05:27 PM
If you actually knew anything about genetics, you would know that how similar two individuals look is not indicative of how closely they are genetically related.

Do you know the difference between a genotype and phenotype? I mean, obviously not, so you should start by investigating those two terms and then maybe we can take baby steps forward in explaining this to you.
Why are you branching off into some huge fucking semantic argument about the definition of the word "race"? Is this what they taught you in college, to ignore the issue and pound on some sort of side argument that you're creating?

Humans were "bred" by environment to be just as different as dog breeds. Stop being so PC.

barden
11-17-2009, 05:37 PM
Nimrod thinks he has a clever trick on netphoria where he can say genuinely stupid things and then try cover up with his bigot attitude like it was all intentional, but if no one calls him out he can sit there feeling smug.

I'm Hardcore
11-17-2009, 05:40 PM
Why are you branching off into some huge fucking semantic argument about the definition of the word "race"? Is this what they taught you in college, to ignore the issue and pound on some sort of side argument that you're creating?

Humans were "bred" by environment to be just as different as dog breeds. Stop being so PC.

why are you attacking the credibility of what he learns in college? what gives you the right to sit there and definitively say "no, that's wrong, you're just PC. College is wrong".

barden
11-17-2009, 05:47 PM
the collective life experience of nimrod outweighs years of study or expert opinion.

I'm Hardcore
11-17-2009, 05:49 PM
we're just nonsensical PC believers

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 05:52 PM
Why are you branching off into some huge fucking semantic argument about the definition of the word "race"? Is this what they taught you in college, to ignore the issue and pound on some sort of side argument that you're creating?

Humans were "bred" by environment to be just as different as dog breeds. Stop being so PC.

Like I already said if you had read my posts, the genetic difference between a dachshund and a beagle is SIGNIFICANTLY greater than the difference between any two groups of people in the world. I have not mentioned one thing about trying to define race, you clearly are just ignoring what I am saying and typing your hardheaded bullshit.

If I take a Nigerian and sample his DNA, I can then look at all the traits he possesses. I can gain a full genetic picture of this individual's makeup. Then if I take an Icelander and sample his DNA, I can compare the genetic similarities and differences between these two people. So then let's say I take another Nigerian from the same population as the first one and test him. It is quite possible (again this has been proven by the Human Genome Project, I know you don't believe in facts, but just go with me here) that the first Nigerian and the Icelander may be MORE CLOSELY RELATED than the first Nigerian is to the second Nigerian.

What you keep referring to as "race", like I said, is just the manifestation of a few phenotypic traits. So Nigerians tend to be taller, darker, have flatter noses... Icelanders are pale, might have blue eyes, or blonde hair. Ok, so these things probably account for less than a dozen genetic traits, as opposed to the thousands of traits that are present in an individual.

Being black vs. being white as you see it is determined by a handful of genetic either/ors that manifest themselves very noticeably whereas a human being has thousands and thousands of these in his or her genetic code. I don't know how else to explain this to you. What you are guilty of here is exactly the same thing that has spurred on racism since the dawn of humanity: you look at a person and see physical differences and assume that the more different someone looks, the more different he or she must be.

28if
11-17-2009, 05:59 PM
there be a lot of bullshit in this thread

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 06:09 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png/250px-TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png)
Socioeconomic status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status) (SES) varies both between and within populations, but Black-White differences in IQ persist among the children of parents matched for SES, and the gap is largest among the children of wealthiest and best educated parents.<sup id="cite_ref-47" class="reference">[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#cite_note-47)</sup>

barden
11-17-2009, 06:17 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png/250px-TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TBC-BW-IQ-SES-withDiff.png)
Socioeconomic status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status) (SES) varies both between and within populations, but Black-White differences in IQ persist among the children of parents matched for SES, and the gap is largest among the children of wealthiest and best educated parents.<sup id="cite_ref-47" class="reference">[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#cite_note-47)</sup>

i'm pretty sure you're intentionally trolling here.
But either way I'm still going to punch you in the face one day. But you already knew that.
I hope I get a trip to the US of A in the next few years. I lead a busy life, this is not impossible. Rather then when I mature and get over this whole 'punching someone for expressing stupid opinions constantly with an air of arrogance that makes me want to tear their fucking fingers off on the internet' phase.

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 06:21 PM
oh wow you better watch out nimrod

barden
11-17-2009, 06:24 PM
NIMROD IS WELL AWARE OF MY ONGOING THREAT TO PUNCH HIM WHEN I REACH THE SHORES OF AMERICA!

Eulogy
11-17-2009, 06:38 PM
oh wow

Future Boy
11-17-2009, 06:39 PM
I thought Trading Places settled this argument years ago.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 07:23 PM
I won't touch the issue of whether or not IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence. Instead I'll quote the first section of that article you found that picture in.

Within individuals, some factors of intelligence are clearly affected by genetics. However, no set populations of humans have been found to have significant genetic differences that would affect the average group intelligence. Also part of the debate is whether measures such as IQ can meaningfully quantify such differences, and whether it would be beneficial or ethical to study differences if they did exist.

This part is interesting as well... sure looks socio-economic to me

the overall average Black-White gap has reduced by one third over the course of the 20th century

Oh, wait, here. I've come to the part about your graph Nimrod. Holy smokes! No one is going to believe this, but it appears that Nimrod used the chart completely out of context! So what do the conductors of that study have to say?

...they argue that income and education simply fail to capture important categories of cultural experience which differ between racial and ethnic groups

Hey, look at these PC assholes at some fancy science magazine that article talks about!

A 2005 literature review article on the links between race and intelligence in American Psychologist stated that no gene has been shown to be linked to intelligence, "so attempts to provide a compelling genetic link of race to intelligence are not feasible at this time"

And look what else

A 2006 study reported that years of education is an inadequate measure of the educational experience among multicultural elders, and that adjusting for quality of education greatly reduced the overall effect of racial differences on the tests.

You don't say!

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 07:25 PM
In case you don't want to read all that, Nimrod took that graph from a study that basically says they don't know why those differences occur but it's not just socio-economic. No where is it even implied that the conductors of the study looked at biology as a factor.

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 07:31 PM
god you're such a tool

I'm Hardcore
11-17-2009, 07:38 PM
god you're such a tool

why?

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 07:41 PM
for actually bothering to argue with that nincompoop troll that's why

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 07:42 PM
also i think he's mexican or something

memories_unwind
11-17-2009, 07:43 PM
hating the germans isn't racist, because germans aren't a race.

Pass auf Kollege, du bewegst dich gerade auf ganz dnnem Eis...

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 07:48 PM
yeah pretty much everyone knows that

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 07:49 PM
he's the king of the trolls

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 07:58 PM
In case you don't want to read all that, Nimrod took that graph from a study that basically says they don't know why those differences occur but it's not just socio-economic. No where is it even implied that the conductors of the study looked at biology as a factor.

That chart CLEARLY shows that regardless of socio-economics, whites consistently finish higher than blacks, especially when both are wealthy and offered the best educations.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:04 PM
That chart CLEARLY shows that regardless of socio-economics, whites consistently finish higher than blacks, especially when both are wealthy and offered the best educations.

That does not mean biology is the causal factor. Are you so fixated on this that you cannot think critically? RIGHT NEXT to where you found the graph there is a little bit about what might be the cause of the results, and NOT ONCE is an intelligence gene mentioned. The article mentions over and over and over again that there has never been any evidence discovered to believe there is an intelligence gene.Your logic is so convoluted its unbelievable. You are arguing that since blacks do not do as well on tests in the US as whites, they MUST have some biological handicap. I'm pretty sure they teach that this sort of cause/effect logic is not sound in like 7th grade science classes.

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 08:09 PM
And you think the only explanation for those results is that African Americans are just naturally less intelligent than European Americans?

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:09 PM
That does not mean biology is the causal factor. Are you so fixated on this that you cannot think critically? RIGHT NEXT to where you found the graph there is a little bit about what might be the cause of the results, and NOT ONCE is an intelligence gene mentioned. The article mentions over and over and over again that there has never been any evidence discovered to believe there is an intelligence gene.Your logic is so convoluted its unbelievable. You are arguing that since blacks do not do as well on tests in the US as whites, they MUST have some biological handicap. I'm pretty sure they teach that this sort of cause/effect logic is not sound in like 7th grade science classes.You're talking about data interpretation trying to explain away the facts that are clearly presented in the data!

All I've done is present pure data that is indisputable. Keep on keepin' on, I'm sure you're making all of the professors in their ivory towers who have never left school since kindergarten very proud of you!

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:11 PM
You're talking about data interpretation trying to explain away the facts that are clearly presented in the data!

All I've done is present pure data that is indisputable. Keep on keepin' on, I'm sure you're making all of the professors in their ivory towers who have never left school since kindergarten very proud of you!

you're a racist

What is indisputable about the data is that blacks do not do as well on tests in the US as whites. That is what is indisputable. Explain to me how you made the leap from that to the idea that genetics is the cause. Because I don't see that in the graph. I don't see it in the paragraph about the graph. Where is it? Where did you glean this information? Because actually, like I said, the people who conducted that study offer culture as a cause. Which is what I have been saying since page 1 is what defines race.

Do you hate science? Do you hate the truth? Please explain where you got that information.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:13 PM
you're a racist

I'm just looking at raw data.

Still trying to attack the messenger when your preconceived PC notions of love and harmony are challenged?

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:16 PM
I'm just looking at raw data.

Still trying to attack the messenger when your preconceived PC notions of love and harmony are challenged?

respond to the rest of the post

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:16 PM
respond to the rest of the post

The rest of the post THAT YOU JUST ADDED AFTER I REPLIED?

Nice try... another tactic you've been taught when you're presented with facts?

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 08:17 PM
The work of the board liberal is never finished

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:18 PM
you're a racist

What is indisputable about the data is that blacks do not do as well on tests in the US as whites. That is what is indisputable. Explain to me how you made the leap from that to the idea that genetics is the cause. Because I don't see that in the graph. I don't see it in the paragraph about the graph. Where is it? Where did you glean this information? Because actually, like I said, the people who conducted that study offer culture as a cause. Which is what I have been saying since page 1 is what defines race.

Do you hate science? Do you hate the truth? Please explain where you got that information.
The chart intentionally attempts to remove cultural factors by showing like socio-economic backgrounds. Did you miss that part?

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:18 PM
Should I direct your attention to the paragraph about the graph for the fourth time?

Socio-economic factors do not equal culture.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:21 PM
Should I direct your attention to the paragraph about the graph for the fourth time?

Socio-economic factors do not equal culture.That's part of a section that tries to explain away the data, which I already addressed. How about the paragraph that is presented with the graph:
Socioeconomic status (SES) varies both between and within populations, but Black-White differences in IQ persist among the children of parents matched for SES, and the gap is largest among the children of wealthiest and best educated parents

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:24 PM
That's part of a section that tries to explain away the data, which I already addressed. How about the paragraph that is presented with the graph:
Socioeconomic status (SES) varies both between and within populations, but Black-White differences in IQ persist among the children of parents matched for SES, and the gap is largest among the children of wealthiest and best educated parents

No, I am directing your attention to the paragraph DIRECTLY NEXT to the graph, which presents the findings of the study's conductors. Since you seem unable to find this both on wikipedia and where I quoted it previously:

Lastly, they argue that income and education simply fail to capture important categories of cultural experience which differ between racial and ethnic groups.

I'm Hardcore
11-17-2009, 08:26 PM
I'm just looking at raw data.



you are racist.

your raw data is highlighting that blacks are lower than whites, ie lower than you, which makes you feel superior to them, which is the basis of true racism.

you're perpetuating this idea, and that makes you racist. If you weren't racist, you'd never have posted that chart

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:29 PM
Nimrod seems to have discovered that the correlation between two things can be used to create the illusion of causation.

Trotskilicious
11-17-2009, 08:33 PM
nimrod seems to have removed or damaged whatever causes the feeling of embarrassment in the brain

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:35 PM
No, I am directing your attention to the paragraph DIRECTLY NEXT to the graph, which presents the findings of the study's conductors. Since you seem unable to find this both on wikipedia and where I quoted it previously:The lines you are quoting is from a DIFFERENT GROUP OF FUCKING PEOPLE. READ THE GODDAMNED ARTICLE.

Yours begins "According to the report of a 1996 APA task force"

Read this, dummy:
The cause(s) of group average IQ test score differences are not known but hypotheses have been proposed. Many scholars have offered descriptions of the variety of hypotheses that have been proposed. These descriptions usually distinguish between those hypotheses which invoke a major contribution of genetic factors (hereditarian) and those which invoke mainly environmental (i.e., non-genetic) factors. Some descriptions of the positions are themselves controversial.

In a review published in 2007, Hunt and Carlson categorized four explanations for observed differences in IQ scores between groups.[47] The strongest hereditarian position, attributed to Jensen and Rushton, is that group differences in IQ reflect differences in intelligence that are "due in substantial part to genetically determined differences in brain structure and/or function"[47] A second position, attributed to Ogbu and Sowell, is that the differences in intelligence test scores are due to social factors. Third, Sternberg and colleagues are attributed with the view that the use of IQ scores to argue for differences in intelligence is an inappropriate use of tests in different groups. The fourth position, attributed to Fish and others, is that there is no such thing as race: "a term motivated by social concerns and not a scientific concept".[47]
The 4th is obviously a copout since they're saying that the test is invalid and that it doesn't even exist.

Look at point number one, the "strongest position." It's what you're arguing against because you only believe in "science."

Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118509143/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0)

Considerations Relating to the Study of Group Differences in Intelligence
Earl Hunt 1 and Jerry Carlson 2
1 The University of Washington and 2 University of California, Riverside
Address correspondence to Earl Hunt, Department of Psychology, Box 351525, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-1525; e-mail: ehunt@u.washington.edu.
Copyright Copyright 2007 Association for Psychological Science
ABSTRACT

ABSTRACTThere are signs that the debate over racial and gender differences in intelligence is about to begin again. In this article we will be concerned primarily with racial differences but will make remarks about gender differences where applicable. Previously there have been bitter arguments over whether or not races exist, over whether it is either important or proper to study racial and gender differences in intelligence, and over the conclusions that have been drawn about environmental and genetic causes as determinants of these differences. We argue that races do, indeed, exist and that studying differences in cognitive competence between groups is a reasonable thing to do. We also point out that past research on both racial and gender differences in intelligence has been marked by methodological errors and overgeneralizations by researchers on all sides of the issue. We propose ten principles of design, analysis, and reporting that ought to be considered carefully when doing or evaluating research in this area.

Science!
APS Observer - Cutting IQ Down to Size? (http://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getArticle.cfm?id=2490)
Richard Nisbett engages in wishful thinking ("All Brains are the Same Color," Observer, February, 2009). We published an editorial about the James Watson affair in November last year (J. P. Rushton and A. R. Jensen. "James Watson's Most Inconvenient Truth: Race Realism and the Moralistic Fallacy." Medical Hypotheses, 71, 629–640; 2008) that concisely summarized our previous work, concluding that race differences were at least 50% heritable. We based our conclusion on 10 categories of research evidence. It was this evidence that Watson had at his disposal when making his claims about low African IQ test scores.
One of those lines of evidence is that the races differ in brain size. Larger brains contain more neurons and process information more efficiently. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) shows that brain size correlates with IQ within race about 0.40. One study followed 50,000 children from birth to age 7. The East Asian Americans in the sample averaged a larger head circumference at birth, 4 months, 1 year, and 7 years than White children who averaged a larger head circumference than Black children. By age 7, East Asian American children average an IQ of 110, Whites averaged 102, and Blacks averaged 90. These findings on race differences in brain size are highly reliable and have been confirmed using four independent procedures MRI, endocranial volume from empty skulls, wet brain weight at autopsy, and external head size. Despite Nisbett's half-suggestion to the contrary (wisely short of a full claim), Black, White, and East Asian twins show equal heritabilities. And IQ differences between all three are more pronounced on the more heritable items. The totality of the evidence can no longer be explained away in terms of old ideas based on pure environmentalism.

J. Philippe Rushton
The University of Western Ontario
Arthur R. Jensen
University of California, BerkeleyScience!

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 08:37 PM
Don't listen to those people Nimrod they are just cowards who have never left university

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:37 PM
you are racist.

your raw data is highlighting that blacks are lower than whites, ie lower than you, which makes you feel superior to them, which is the basis of true racism.

you're perpetuating this idea, and that makes you racist. If you weren't racist, you'd never have posted that chart

Ok this is obviously a joke.

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:38 PM
So the test show that asians test highest, then whites, then blacks.

Asians did have the first technology and civilization advancements, followed by whites... would seem to hold up under historical scrutiny...

Nimrod's Son
11-17-2009, 08:41 PM
Go ahead redbreegull, call those researchers racists for coming up with scientific results based on data and not feelings.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:42 PM
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q250/redbreegull/HomicideOffendersbyRace1976-2005.jpg

Guys look, blacks are more likely to murder people because of biological predisposition.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:43 PM
So the test show that asians test highest, then whites, then blacks.

Asians did have the first technology and civilization advancements, followed by whites... would seem to hold up under historical scrutiny...

That is culture. You are so fucking stupid. By your logic anyone as stupid as you must be the darkest darky in all of Africa.

Eulogy
11-17-2009, 08:44 PM
why are we giving so much credence to the goddamn IQ test

really that should be where this discussion ends

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:48 PM
Actually Nimrod if you look at the references on that wiki article you will find you are incorrect. The paragraph you are citing is not a specific commentary on that graph. Actually the graph is located BELOW the dividing line between the "Hypothesis" section and the section specifically on "Socioeconomics". The paragraph I am referring to is not coupled with the graph directly either, but it is in the section of the article at least.

Eulogy
11-17-2009, 08:51 PM
guys

IQ tests.

Seriously.

redbreegull
11-17-2009, 08:54 PM
guys

IQ tests.

Seriously.

I won't touch the issue of whether or not IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence...

I know.

Elvis The Fat Years
11-17-2009, 08:55 PM
i hate when you guys get all seriously on each other and try to bring down each others shelves of steam. i want a harmonious dick and fart joke community.

I'm Hardcore
11-17-2009, 08:58 PM
Ok this is obviously a joke.

yes obviously

Eulogy
11-17-2009, 08:59 PM
i hate when you guys get all seriously on each other and try to bring down each others shelves of steam. i want a harmonious dick and fart joke community.

my throat kinda hurts

Elvis The Fat Years
11-17-2009, 09:00 PM
<3

daydreamer999
11-17-2009, 09:02 PM
Given that Nimrod's Son just invalidated higher education I don't think appealing to where which paragraphs come from is going to much good here

Rairun
11-17-2009, 10:04 PM
Look at point number one, the "strongest position." It's what you're arguing against because you only believe in "science."

Ugh, I don't feel like addressing all your nonsense, but I really hope you don't think the adjective "strong" refers to the fact that there is more evidence to support that position. The word is being used in the sense of "strong determinism" and "weak determinism". The strongest hereditarian position isn't "strong" because it's right, it's "strong" because it claims that genetics play a major causal role. The "weakest" hereditarian position would claim that genetics play only a minor role. It doesn't have anything to do with how right the position is.

Rairun
11-17-2009, 10:12 PM
APS Observer - Cutting IQ Down to Size? (http://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getArticle.cfm?id=2490)
Science!

Also, I see you've conveniently left the author's response out.

Joe
11-17-2009, 11:18 PM
give me the science always stuck on always trying this...

Joe
11-17-2009, 11:19 PM
WE GOTTA LIVE ON SCIENCE ALONE.

Joe
11-17-2009, 11:20 PM
and the flesh of all races who only serve to fuel our caucasion war machine.

Joe
11-17-2009, 11:21 PM
we will make armor from the bones of minorities and fight the final earthen war.


CAUSE WHITE IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

duovamp
11-17-2009, 11:21 PM
A black kid stole my hacky sack in second grade. FUCK YOU KYLE BROOKS YOU FUCKING SPOOK!

Joe
11-17-2009, 11:25 PM
did you kill and eat him?

Eric Blair
11-17-2009, 11:29 PM
Why has Joe not been banned yet?

duovamp
11-17-2009, 11:31 PM
Same reason you haven't: Nimrod's Son is asleep at the switch.

better than new
11-17-2009, 11:44 PM
Wait so... Nimrod isn't actually serious right? I mean sometimes I can't tell, I'll admit, I buy into it. But this is literally 200 level anthropology.

Sylvia Woods
11-17-2009, 11:44 PM
Same reason you haven't: Nimrod's Son is asleep at the switch.


keep that in the Simpsoid thread

ATS
11-17-2009, 11:51 PM
edit moved to next page

ATS
11-17-2009, 11:53 PM
guys who are your favorite "the wire" negros

i would say mine r prolly

1. weedbag
2. stringer
3. barksdale
4. slim charles


this is ignoring the last couple eps of season 3 where they ruin barksdale and stringer for the sake of plot twists & fresh faces

least favorite "the wire" negros:

1. brother pizzone
2. omar

these two characters are straight out of a comic book. everything about them reminds me of comic books and comic book movies

3. dangelo

annoying and ugly

ATS
11-17-2009, 11:54 PM
i dont endorse this show but i have been watching it on my PC and will continue to watch it. i know you guys like your tv so maybe this is a way 4 us 2 connect

mercurial
11-18-2009, 12:09 AM
are you kidding? stringer sucks man the guy is a huge sell out and he got what was coming to him

Snoop is the best and Bunk is great

duovamp
11-18-2009, 12:15 AM
keep that in the Simpsoid thread

:banging::banging:

ATS
11-18-2009, 12:15 AM
i just barely finished season 3 so i havent seen much of snoop but this character seems like more comic book bullsh1t

Shallowed
11-18-2009, 12:25 AM
<blink>FUCK THIS THREAD</blink>

Shallowed
11-18-2009, 12:25 AM
:cry:

Trotskilicious
11-18-2009, 12:50 AM
page 2 is the best page

sickbadthing
11-18-2009, 01:04 AM
wait are we talking about jews and niggers because I'VE GOT A LOT OF FUCKING THOUGHTS ABOUT THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS

publius clodius
11-18-2009, 02:48 AM
Asians did have the first technology and civilization advancements
proof that sid meier created the world

publius clodius
11-18-2009, 02:49 AM
Pass auf Kollege, du bewegst dich gerade auf ganz dnnem Eis...
verdrapst dmpen staugeweiher metz lankerbl

publius clodius
11-18-2009, 02:50 AM

Cool As Ice Cream
11-18-2009, 02:55 AM
ram

Cool As Ice Cream
11-18-2009, 02:56 AM
ooh la la das dnnem Eis! dar sollte ich mir gern auf bewegen, ja klar. GENAU!

I'm Hardcore
11-18-2009, 03:15 AM
shut up European faggots

Trotskilicious
11-18-2009, 03:39 AM
yeah stop talking mexican

Cool As Ice Cream
11-18-2009, 03:51 AM
Ich bewege mich auf ganz dnnem Eis!
Darf ich ein Eisbecher haben? NOM NOM NOM!

Cool As Ice Cream
11-18-2009, 03:52 AM
lol "mein Deutsch" sucks

barden
11-18-2009, 04:20 PM
All I've done is present pure data that is indisputable.

it is with comments like this that he exposes himself.
You sit there in YOUR ivory tower thinking you are toying with these mere ignorant netphorians, having a big guffaw. I can appreciate a decent troll, but you do it with this undercurrent of arrogance, that filters through in every aspect of yourself you choose to parade on here, that I give you the reaction that justifies it to yourself! I'm just enabling the entire cycle! Ugh! Infuriating, you hear me! Infuriating!
You think thats your shtick though so thats okay.
But you have become a paradoy of yourself and it's time to up your game!

ella
11-18-2009, 04:34 PM
I argued with these dumbasses over the same thing when I first started posting here, I remember nimrod was spouting the same shit back then, nothing has changed.

barden
11-18-2009, 04:40 PM
yeah ella but on any graph you get the stupid line, regardless of what race you're currently fucking.

ella
11-18-2009, 04:48 PM
regardless of what race you're currently fucking.

uh huh



haha

Nimrod's Son
11-18-2009, 05:07 PM
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q250/redbreegull/HomicideOffendersbyRace1976-2005.jpg

Guys look, blacks are more likely to murder people because of biological predisposition.

Your chart does not take socio-economic conditions into account at all. Stop trying to frame the opposition as something it's not.

You're insufferable.

Eulogy
11-18-2009, 05:10 PM
if the argument you're trying to make is that whites have higher IQ test scores than blacks regardless of socioeconomic standing, then good job. that's the only thing the data says.

christ why do i continue to do this

slunken
11-18-2009, 06:49 PM
Are you fascist? could be a half-decent spinoff thread.

redbreegull
11-18-2009, 06:57 PM
Your chart does not take socio-economic conditions into account at all. Stop trying to frame the opposition as something it's not.

You're insufferable.

It shows exactly as much causation between race and inherent genetic "truths" as your graph does. Which is none.

jczeroman
11-18-2009, 07:06 PM
I would have said no, but I do believe that I have developed some overly broad, stereotypical sweeping opinions about the British that would qualify as racism.

Nimrod's Son
11-18-2009, 07:28 PM
It shows exactly as much causation between race and inherent genetic "truths" as your graph does. Which is none.

Keep burying your head in the sand in the face of evidence.

redbreegull
11-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Keep burying your head in the sand in the face of evidence.

Nimrod you don't know how a graph works, for fucks sake

28if
11-18-2009, 08:34 PM
i just took a terrible burning shit

Nimrod's Son
11-18-2009, 11:32 PM
Nimrod you don't know how a graph works, for fucks sake

You just enjoy ignoring facts such as the socioeconomic levels because it makes you question what you've been told, and we all know one should never question

Trotskilicious
11-19-2009, 12:16 AM
nimrod you know nobody takes you seriously except for the people you're trolling right

Nimrod's Son
11-19-2009, 01:22 AM
nimrod you know nobody takes you seriously except for the people you're trolling right

... have you read this thread? redbreegull spouts off constant nonsense and somehow, i am the one trolling here?

seriously my friend, get a girlfriend one day. enjoy the sunlight. smile. laugh. have a postcard day for once. perhaps you will enjoy life a little more.

publius clodius
11-19-2009, 01:34 AM
in the light of this new evidence, i must agree with nimrod and all his wacky theories

mercurial
11-19-2009, 01:37 AM
what's a postcard day?

is that where you spend the day sending out postcards to people?

what is this thing i've never heard of it?!

Trotskilicious
11-19-2009, 03:14 AM
i've had several of those days. they are full of fun. i love sending people postcards of places i've never been to and pretending like i'm there.

Cool As Ice Cream
11-19-2009, 03:46 AM
now that's a refreshing idea. you just planned my weekend. thanks.

Trotskilicious
11-19-2009, 04:17 AM
Greetings from Beautiful Detroit!

Eric Blair
11-19-2009, 05:17 AM
Oh that is kind of a coincidence I just sent a friend of mine a racist post card

Cool As Ice Cream
11-19-2009, 05:26 AM
Greetings from Rue Poulet, Paris!

cork_soaker
11-19-2009, 06:02 AM
haha chicken street!

Cool As Ice Cream
11-19-2009, 07:45 AM
i was in a hotel in chicken street once. it was a very crappy hotel. and during the day the street was completely filled with a food market and its visitors.
kahlo was there too, and he said he had never seen so many black people at the same time before.

is he racist?

ChristHimself!
11-19-2009, 08:07 AM
kahlo is completely racist, but it has more to do with his obsession with nazis and less to do with that statement

Cool As Ice Cream
11-19-2009, 08:44 AM
yeah, that statement was just an observation. and i believe him.

mercurial
11-19-2009, 08:19 PM
i got a post card from Paris just last week!

mxzombie
11-20-2009, 05:49 AM
i watched an episode of eyes of nye about race and have to say i disagree with nimrod based upon the evidence presented in the aformentioned tv show.

signed,
tim.

Shallowed
08-20-2015, 03:55 AM
bump

Shallowed
08-20-2015, 03:57 AM
UGH

hnibos
08-20-2015, 07:52 AM
lol at fast moving twitch muscles. That's the like the most scientific thing nimrod ever said. Fuck that guy to hell.

Anyways, you still racist towards maoris shallowed?

Cool As Ice Cream
08-20-2015, 08:11 AM
i wasn't before, but i am now.

FoolofaTook
08-20-2015, 10:42 AM
that sounds like a profound philosophical statement

FoolofaTook
08-20-2015, 10:42 AM
also shouldn't this thread have a pole?

yo soy el mejor
08-20-2015, 11:32 AM
you feel like dancin'?

:chili:

Trotskilicious
08-20-2015, 12:02 PM
i cant. im white, i dont have enough fast twitch muscle fibers

FoolofaTook
08-20-2015, 01:21 PM
there are hella racists in jail

I know this comes as a great surprise to you my brethren

FoolofaTook
08-20-2015, 01:22 PM
hey cork soaker are u still in morocco?

do you know if they will let felons come teach esl to their college-aged females?

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 08:59 PM
shit man, nepthoria ain't nothing but a bunch of racists!

I've never understood the rhetoric that "everyone is a little bit racist". Perhaps I was a little bit growing up, but as an adult I can truthfully say I'm not at all.

Lets all hate someone because their ancestors evolved in a different climate/part of the world than my ancestors and thus display different physical traits than mine... So retarded.

I get that you can dislike a regions beliefs or whatever, but to be racist means you stereoptype everyone of the region

Sonic Johnny
08-20-2015, 09:11 PM
Answer doesn't compute... But I can't expect you to be an educated or observant man, after all you are from Australia... The most homophobic, racist, hateful people I've ever met in my whole life have been Australians... Guys who came to Canada for our Rugby program... Just total crazy animals to be completely honest.

And yeah, if you're confused from where I'm coming from: SP AREN'T 1 HIT WONDERS YOU DOLT!

...

Eulogy
08-20-2015, 09:15 PM
lol

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 09:16 PM
You can't be racist against Australians... People who point out the stupidity of Americans aren't racist either

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 09:17 PM
It's like saying people who make fun of hillbillies are racist

Sonic Johnny
08-20-2015, 09:17 PM
Hey look everyone: A loudmouthed Australian comes barging into a conversation that doesn't concern him... In other news, The sky is still blue.


..?

Sonic Johnny
08-20-2015, 09:18 PM
I'm racist against mouth breather nofx fans does that count

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 09:20 PM
exactly... it doesn't.

People who are racist will look at someone and feel hate and have opinions without even knowing the person.

You can't look and identify someone as being Australian... The only way you can tell is by hearing the ridiculous accent lol

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:23 PM
wow

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:24 PM
fuzzylogic

Sonic Johnny
08-20-2015, 09:25 PM
Come on fuzz, you said something hypocritical and I called you on it. Behave like an adult for once in your life and just fucking wear it.

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 09:27 PM
Haha, i'm half just fucking around to piss off Johnny. The truth is, I've actually liked most of the Australians who I've came across in my life. But the truth is the ideologies of the culture seem to be a lot more abrasive than other cultures I've come across.

Sonic Johnny
08-20-2015, 09:28 PM
Uh huh. Please elaborate fuzz.

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 09:29 PM
Of course the majority of the Aussies I've hung out with have been guys in the Rugby program... So it's likely more of a jock thing...

Even so, I've never met people from a culture that have been more unapologetically homophobic before. The racisms always subtle, but it's there... A lot of the "c'mon man everyones secretly a bit racist" stuff.

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:30 PM
The truth is, I've actually liked most of the black people who I've came across in my life. But the truth is the ideologies of the culture seem to be a lot more abrasive than other cultures I've come across.

The truth is, I've actually liked most of the jews who I've came across in my life. But the truth is the ideologies of the culture seem to be a lot more abrasive than other cultures I've come across.

The truth is, I've actually liked most of the mexicans who I've came across in my life. But the truth is the ideologies of the culture seem to be a lot more abrasive than other cultures I've come across.

:rofl:

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 09:34 PM
Doesn't compute though man. From my account, all of the black and mexican people I've met have actually seemed much more personable and enjoyable to hang out with than the majority of white people.

Of course it's all a small sample-size of my personal experience... I just don't understand where a lot of this cultural racism stuff comes from.

yo soy el mejor
08-20-2015, 09:38 PM
we are a pretty affable bunch. our culture is no-nonsense, though, in some regards.

you know who annoys me? white people. some of my best friends in the past have been white. but as the years go by it's harder to find a white person who just keeps it real and isn't some narcissistic social media freak ultra-pc racist hipster.

Eulogy
08-20-2015, 09:39 PM
Oh god

Edit: to fuzzy

yo soy el mejor
08-20-2015, 09:40 PM
i went too far

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:40 PM
From my account, all of the black and mexican people I've met have actually seemed much more personable and enjoyable to hang out with than the majority of white people.

Can you understand that this statement is inherently racist?

yo soy el mejor
08-20-2015, 09:42 PM
i'm not offended.

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:44 PM
TAN: did you guys know that Red Foxx (of Sanford and Son fame) and Malcolm X (of Malcolm X fame) once washed dishes together in the same restaurant? Can you fathom how dangerously close it was that their lifestreams could have switched and how hilarious that would have been?

yo soy el mejor
08-20-2015, 09:46 PM
they each did their part, tho.

o/*

(what does TAN mean?)

Shallowed
08-20-2015, 09:49 PM
Protip: It's okay to not like person who is of a different race to you, as long as you don't dislike them because they are of a different race, or attribute their race to your dislike of them.

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:50 PM
(what does TAN mean?)

tangent

or

tangential

yo soy el mejor
08-20-2015, 09:52 PM
Oh, i thought it was like TINWOP or ITT or like something like such as.

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:52 PM
Protip: It's okay to not like person who is of a different race to you, as long as you don't dislike them because they are of a different race, or attribute their race to your dislike of them.

and its fine to be nervous

killtrocity
08-20-2015, 09:54 PM
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vixnix
08-20-2015, 09:57 PM
My SIL used to be so racist, but she's had to revise her opinion after marrying my half-samoan brother and meeting all our samoan family.

I'm pretty racist. Not as racist as my Mum though. And not towrds the same group. She always used to get road rage and say stuff about "I bet it's a pincy eyes!" and we'd be like great Mum, what does that make you, coconut eyes? And then she would hit us with one hand while driving with the other. Man I love my Mum.

slunken
08-20-2015, 09:59 PM
i get racist while driving too. 9 times out of 10 when i pass someone on the right the driver on the left is a woman.

Trotskilicious
08-20-2015, 10:23 PM
i'm not offended.

but if i said it...

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 10:54 PM
i'm not offended.

Yeah I mean, it's "racist against white people"... But once you start divulging into that conversation the issue at hand just loses its meaning.

The lesson at hand is: EVERYONE IS SHITTY, AND YOU'LL FIND PLENTY OF ASSHOLES AND GOOD PEOPLE FROM EVERY RACE And the idea that "other races" are the problem is only a "white" idea... When really, it's the white people that are the problem...

(dear god, I'm starting to feel like Trotsky):rockon:

Eulogy
08-20-2015, 10:57 PM
oh god

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 10:59 PM
I'm kind of ranting there... and as I re-read it- it's inaccurate.

My point is: theres lots of good and bad people from any race... It's human nature... To single out any race with hatred or stereotypes is wrong because the "white" race is the most stereo-typically embarrassing in the first place

fuzzyroes
08-20-2015, 10:59 PM
oh god

What's up brother? Do you by any chance have any relatives from Estonia?

Mooney
08-20-2015, 11:11 PM
i tried to find some common ground with a potential suitor, and put on an eminem album because it turns out she is obsessed with him :erm: there was a song featuring nate dogg so i asked her if she knew 'regulate' by warren g and nate dogg (probably the last rap song i enjoyed) she didn't know, so i youtube'd it. her response was, "these are a bunch of negroes, why would i know this song?"

:erm: :erm: :erm:

why do the pretty ones have to be absolutely fucked. :(

yo soy el mejor
08-21-2015, 08:07 AM
did y'all make-out after that?

ohnoitsbonnie
08-21-2015, 11:15 AM
i get racist while driving too. 9 times out of 10 when i pass someone on the right the driver on the left is a woman.

I get mad and flip off people when they throw garbage out of their car windows

Trotskilicious
08-21-2015, 01:25 PM
What's up brother? Do you by any chance have any relatives from Estonia?

wtf

slunken
08-21-2015, 02:06 PM
Keep music alive

Dogfighter28
08-21-2015, 02:22 PM
one love

Mooney
08-21-2015, 07:30 PM
did y'all make-out after that?

maybe. :( if someone is a terrible person should i still treat them with the same respect i would afford everyone else? i kind of really want to keep having sex with her.

Mooney
08-21-2015, 08:35 PM
and to answer the original question: i dislike 90% of black people. 90% of asian people. 90% of latinos. 90% of white people. you get the gist.

Mals Marola
08-21-2015, 09:15 PM
you'd think differently if you had a relative or 2 from estonia

maybe a couple from the virgin islands

reprise85
08-21-2015, 09:50 PM
the manager i had previous to my current one was racist. she was otherwise a really good manager - so when i was able to separate that from her managing - i had pretty good relations with her. she voiced racist opinions to me whenever we had breaks together.

Bread Regal
08-21-2015, 10:21 PM
I would have said no, but I do believe that I have developed some overly broad, stereotypical sweeping opinions about the British that would qualify as racism.
lol jesus christ

Sonic Johnny
08-21-2015, 11:00 PM
Tbh if someone has a French or South African accent I am probably more prone to taking their words or behaviour as rude or arrogant.

scottytheoneand
08-21-2015, 11:04 PM
that's because the french are total shit

worst country ever

vixnix
08-22-2015, 08:24 AM
Have you ever met a South African who wasn't racist? Maybe I'm just meeting the wrong South Africans.