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i listen to Zeitgeist a lot. It's really good.

redman I am extremely disappointed in you. I wanted nothing more than to take you under my wing but this is the last straw.

i guess

shut the fuck up, byron.

damn i missed my 5k post partee

no one car

ha!

mm. neverlost really isn't a bad song.

i tried to sit through zeitgeist about 2 months ago. i was going through a SP kick and I ever liked Machina a lot while listening to it. I was pumped for the big Z, but about 4 songs in I felt physically sick.

and redman, there is still hope. if you wish to become a member of the board elite repent now.

del

i'm just a Pumpkins fan, Byron

Yeah but Zeigeist sucks.

I'd rather listen to Zwan.

neverlost is the best song from Z.

i tried to sit through zeitgeist about 2 months ago. i was going through a SP kick and I ever liked Machina a lot while listening to it. I was pumped for the big Z, but about 4 songs in I felt physically sick.

and redman, there is still hope. if you wish to become a member of the board elite repent now.

does anyone have a copy of this kid's review of zeitgeist?

Here's my second one

Nothing much has changed in the seven years since The Smashing Pumpkins broke up. Billy Corgan still cannot transfer a good song idea from live performance to studio to save his life. The terrible production that plagued Machina returns, but in a different form. While the guitars on that album were processed to death, Zeitgeist suffers from carelessly mixed vocals and drums. Instead of employing backup singers, Corgan overdubs his voice dramatically, leading to arrangements that overpower any worth the songs on Zeitgeist have in concert. Still, there are moments of hope and even enjoyment on this comeback album. The first half of the album contains uniformly pleasant songs that are marred by terrible production, but "Bleeding the Orchid" and "United States" manage to shine through as examples of Corgan's craft. The latter contains a drum and guitar breakdown that will leave you breathless. The second half of the album contains some cringeworthy songs, most notably the terrible "Pomp and Cirumstances". This album held promise in my heart since I heard the bootleg of their first show back in seven years, but until The Smashing Pumpkins get a producer in the vein of Butch Vig or Flood to produce an album in full, fans will be restricted to catching glimpses of light through Corgan's visionary muck.

And I've sort of flipped flop from that even. United States is gay.

neverlost sucks idk why people like it so much. does anyone like try try try? i feel the same animosity towards that song.

neverlost sucks idk why people like it so much.

because it's actually kinda good.

"Neverlost" = not a fan. I think "Pomp and Circumstances" has the best guitar solo Corgan has put down in a decade.

fuck me iäm going to have to listen to this record. the futureembrace is looming in the back of my head as is the zwan debut.

Here's my second one

Nothing much has changed in the seven years since The Smashing Pumpkins broke up. Billy Corgan still cannot transfer a good song idea from live performance to studio to save his life. The terrible production that plagued Machina returns, but in a different form. While the guitars on that album were processed to death, Zeitgeist suffers from carelessly mixed vocals and drums. Instead of employing backup singers, Corgan overdubs his voice dramatically, leading to arrangements that overpower any worth the songs on Zeitgeist have in concert. Still, there are moments of hope and even enjoyment on this comeback album. The first half of the album contains uniformly pleasant songs that are marred by terrible production, but "Bleeding the Orchid" and "United States" manage to shine through as examples of Corgan's craft. The latter contains a drum and guitar breakdown that will leave you breathless. The second half of the album contains some cringeworthy songs, most notably the terrible "Pomp and Cirumstances". This album held promise in my heart since I heard the bootleg of their first show back in seven years, but until The Smashing Pumpkins get a producer in the vein of Butch Vig or Flood to produce an album in full, fans will be restricted to catching glimpses of light through Corgan's visionary muck.

And I've sort of flipped flop from that even. United States is gay.

but its the first one that makes your opinion a joke :(

Have your opinions never changed brah? I know five years ago I was listening to boring white bread indie rock and I won't touch that shit now. Having an album fall out of grace with your ears isn't that monumental an event.

i'm just breakin your balls brah

Having an album fall out of grace with your ears isn't that monumental an event.
i disagree.

doomsday clock sounds ok

the billy choruses are a bit odd

the bridge seems disjointed from the rest of the song. lazy songwriting

man these songs are just as exhausting as the machina stuff. there's nothing for the ears to hold on to

more weird billy choruses on bleeding the orchid and the dreaded quiver delivery in the vocals which got an even more prominent position in the chris isaak hour performances (and i suppose elvsewhere as well)

still this music is just as frustrating as billy other work during the last decade. you hear and sense snippets of brilliance here and there but it's just too diluted by shit to have any real impact or intrigue you to listen again.

that's the way my love is has that kiddy fiddler vibe of song slike try,try,try and it reminds me of michael jackson.

tarantula sounds like it's composed of three or four different parts that doesn't really fit together but sound decent on their own. some cool stuff wasted. more cringeworthy love stuff

starz sounds like more sludge mixed up with some freakish 7 dwarfs chorus work. is this is good song? i can't decide there is some cool stuff here.

united states has some moments were i think it sounds good but then it just goes bad again. why is life like this

art rock segment of the united states song sounds like a studio experiment that should have been heavily edited before release.

it's amazing to me that billy thought this material was good enough to partly base a reunion tour on.

sheeeeeeiiiit united states is loooong and i've got more than half of the songs to go

sorry about this but i have to get it out of my system i've been afraid to listen to this record because it might suck and it would make me depressed in a place where i was very depressed to begin with.

death from above sounds like 80's hair metal.

i see billy dressed as a viking striding along with the waves a beach and in the background i see a viking ship. this is not good imagery to get from a song.

this is too much i'm taking a break

Yeah, I need one too after reading all that.

relistened to starz. it's a bad song but stuck out and therefore made me think that it might be good.

lot's of standard issue jimmy drumming. this drumming is fucking annoying when it's not accompanied by good music otherwise.

noo i accidentally listened to a version of the album with bonus tracks.

neverlost feels like a welcome break from the other stuff and it doesn't sound half bad.

ljklj

steallar has some good guitar soundz. maybe my favourite track so far. i'm dissapointed as usal

god damn it billy why did you let me down again

ma belle sucks i think

hodgepodge is a word that comes to mind when i hear ma belle. no hope

Are you in a post war with someone?

zeitgeist the song was surprisingly enough an accoustic number that didn't really jump out at me. from first listen i would say the decent tracks are doomsday clock, 7 shades of black, neverlost and maybe stellar. very dissapointed with the record as always when it comes to billy cormacs post mcis material. why is life this way. why do we have to grow old and lose our abilities. why can't things be the way they are forever when they're good and be over quickly when they're bad. there is no point to anything

i usually enjoy saying that a boarder is bottoming out

but koontz good sir i do say, tonight you are topping out.

he did what i wanted to do, but i didn't have time to do it.

i usually enjoy saying that a boarder is bottoming out

but koontz good sir i do say, tonight you are topping out.

He's trying to get to 10,000 posts at the speed of light. He's going faster than that from what ive seen lately.

i listened to it recently for the first time in over a year. Still not much good about it except for the solo in Bring The Light making me pull faces.

mcis is overrated nowadays

dogfucker will you stop talking about boarding

I'm going to try to listen to Zeitgeist today.

shut the fuck up

i agree with you

rock on

i was listening to stellar for the first time in a long time and then this thread made me think about zeitgeist

np: doomsday clock

Stellar is undeniably awesome. As are That's The Way, Neverlost, and Zeitgeist

I can find bright spots in other places but I could never argue for them.

united states is still pretty rockin' actually

7 Shades is good too. You pretty much nailed it with your song selection though

when this came out i bought two copies, one for my brother to give as a gift. it's still sitting in a box of things in my house, i felt it was not right to give as a gift a cd that i felt really really sucked

del double post

It must be a really sad state of being that someone first of all has 10,000 posts. A sad state that someone really cares how many posts they or anyone else has. A sad state that 99% of posts contain no intelligent reasoning. Just post to get to a number. I have more posts than you. I am a bigger SP fan than you. I can bitch more than you. I honestly feel sorry for most of you. Really.

only person that cares is you

gosh i really want you to respect me too

Couldn't have responded at a better time Trot....perfect example...40,000 posts!! And nothing to say. If it takes you one minute per post....that is 666 hours or 28 days straight(24 hours a day) of your sad, pathetic life....that you have spent writing, and contributing absolutely nothing. Great timing :)

by the way you're not insulting me, i know you think you're really gonna make me crack with this but

http://forums.netphoria.org/general-chat-message-board/168421-40-000-a.html

the only person who cares about post count is you

40,000 posts looks cool though

Z tracks I can still listen to: Doomsday Clock, 7 Shades of Black, That's the Way, Tarantula, United States, and Bring the Light

Z tracks I could hear a few more times: Bleeding the Orchid & For God and Country

Z tracks I would rather forget: Starz, Neverlost, Come On Let's Go, and Pomp

as for the b-sides, I've listened to most of them probably like, once.

It seems strange to me not to hear more mentions to "Bleeding the Orchid", very Melloncolliesque. It's the only reason I give the album a spin now and then. That and "Bring the Light".

Leave the boards please ^

Trot.....one entire month of your life....24 hours a day for a month.... How do you spell loser????? One entire month of your life....posting....in...here.....spells.....loser.

um did you look at that thread

i really don't care, i already know. so what are you going to do now?

"starz sounds like more sludge mixed up with some freakish 7 dwarfs chorus work. is this is good song? i can't decide there is some cool stuff here." - couldn't put it better myself. very confusing

Neverlost - most listenable, likeable song on the album

Bleeding the orchid - sounds like billy singing a morose Alice n chains song. the whole heavy plodding affair is stuck somwhere in 1993...

The thing is the music on Zeitgeist is great, the guitar, the drums, the actual songs are awesome.

Bleeding The Orchid is beautiful and Doomsday Clock rocks, HOWEVER Billy's vocals are garbage.
He has zero emotion in his voice and some of his lyrics are incredibly dumb and uninspired.

If he would've taken more time to work on the vocals or write lyrics that he actually cares about singing, OR just turn those vocals down in the mix, this album would have been really good.

It's a shame really.

The songs on Zeitgeist are just below the par of Machina, but with even worse production.

Thats the Way, Bleeding the Orchid, Seven Shades are decent.

And Stellar is pretty awesome, most original thing they recorded in these sessions.

And hire some fucking back-up vocalists.

The thing is the music on Zeitgeist is great, the guitar, the drums, the actual songs are awesome.

Bleeding The Orchid is beautiful and Doomsday Clock rocks, HOWEVER Billy's vocals are garbage.
He has zero emotion in his voice and some of his lyrics are incredibly dumb and uninspired.

If he would've taken more time to work on the vocals or write lyrics that he actually cares about singing, OR just turn those vocals down in the mix, this album would have been really good.

It's a shame really.

judging by your screenname you don't subscribe to the zero vocal emotion belief when it comes to the live shows, right? because if anything, it was some of the older material (soma, mayo, disarm) that lacked emotion compared to the Zeitgeist-era material (including Gossamer) during the 07 and 08 live shows.

overall i still find the vocal criticizms very flimsy. they're different than anything we've heard on an SP record, so people freak out. omg, fresh tactics. scary. its a production choice just as much as what Vig did on SD with the vocals was a production choice -- neither sound the same as real live vocals. you just prefer one set of effects to the other. and even so, i don't see how that nullifies the good qualities of the songs you pointed out.

and i honestly think lyrically Z is on par with the Machinas. In that there's nothing as bad as stuff on TFE or Baby Lets Rock. Even COLG has some cool versuses in between the simplistic chorus.

And hire some fucking back-up vocalists.

listen to anythign else RTB has produced. layered vocals are his thing.

[color=#ffff60]because if anything, it was some of the older material (soma, mayo, disarm) that lacked emotion compared to the Zeitgeist-era material (including Gossamer) during the 07 and 08 live shows.



Agreed, at no point (bar maybe the Grand Rex show) did he actually seem to enjoy playing old songs.

dogfucker will you stop talking about boarding

<dafsdf>

Trot....the fact alone that you don't care that you have spent more than a month....24 hours a day....of your pathetic life...posting in here is a tribute to your character and lack of any life at all. The fact that you can not see that...and look inside yourself....and actually see how really pathetic that is....and possibly recognize that spending a month of your life posting in here....might be a sign of a serious problem.....then just keep posting mindless junk. Over and over.....

what's this stuff...........about "one month 24 hours a day,"....that you....keep repeating...... i might be a loser but it seems......you have....brain......damage.

now go.................. out there....and win....at life.......you great big......stud

sexxxxxxy!


post your cocks. who's got the biggest?

this thread is making me laugh. i just abstained from netphoria for a few days and i actually came back to something worth reading. good job guys.

sexxxxxxy!


post your cocks. who's got the biggest?

i read that as "clocks"

i was like WTF?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Wall_clock.jpg/300px-Wall_clock.jpg

Great boarding, bro.

volunteer lol

hard work for no pay makes you a winner

altruism is not to be looked down upon

there's no such thing as altruism. it's all about self-flattery.

maybe you need to go out and volunteer so you stop whining so much.

"all hands on dick"

im beginning volunteer work

*whoosh*

hey guys who wants to come fist my daughter

there's no such thing as altruism. it's all about self-flattery.

maybe you need to go out and volunteer so you stop whining so much.

nobody here whines as much as you do

Trot.

Agreed, at no point (bar maybe the Grand Rex show) did he actually seem to enjoy playing old songs.

well i wasn't saying he didn't enjoy playing any of the old songs...but some definitely were uninspired at times. like Mayo in europe early 08, Disarm during the 07 summer festivals (though oddly, some of these same shows had awesome versions of BWBW), and Soma at times in 08 seemed that way, compared to how he used to sing them.

but on the other hand Hummer was awesome all through 07 and the residencies. so was Siva and most of the other 20th anniversary tour old song choices. Same with Shame, Rocket (when played), Winterlong....and all the Machina stuff, though maybe some of you don't count that because thats the newest of the old material (and therefore closer to his current mindset, like the Z material). and yea, at Paris and the early 07 europeaon club shows everything pretty much sounded kickass imo. Silverfuck and 33 at Paris were awe inspiring.

nobody here whines as much as you do

i think you need to review your posts

Trot.

sup

i think it's more important to do public service as a career rather than a few days a month/year so you can feel good about yourself

What I don't really get is why Starz is so amazing and the rest is so...stock..

Your quote. Don't try to save face.

Shut the fuck up. Go to the O-board so I can ban you from there.

whats is your name on the oboard kahlo

Machinist

I'm slowly forcing all the other Mods to quit.

you know i'd say you're behaving like a typical netphorian right now

And what would be your reason for being so angry Kahlo? Not getting enough attention so you had to jump in with your intelligent conversation? You are the one that everytime you write something...you show your lack of intelligence and basically add nothing to any conversation. Just chime in to get attention.

oh shut the fuck uuuuuuuuuuuup. good loooord. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Pox is the best song on AG

angry?

who's angry?

FUCK YOU I'M NOT ANGRY