View Full Version : Woman illegally downloads 24 songs, fined to tune of $1.9 million


Gossamer
06-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Woman illegally downloads 24 songs, fined to tune of $1.9 million - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/minnesota.music.download.fine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)



Seriously though.... the RIAA is still doing this fucking shit?

How are you going to charge a person $80,000 PER SONG for an illegal download that you are selling for $0.99

Also, what kind of backwards fucking retarded jury did you find that would actually find this poor woman guilty?

Ridiculous.

Thaniel Buckner
06-18-2009, 10:57 PM
No Doubt, Linkin Park, Gloria Estefan and Sheryl Crow.

i wonder what those people have to say about this verdict/case.

Gossamer
06-18-2009, 10:58 PM
I mean obviously her taste in music sucks, but she does not deserve this shit one bit.

This is all kinds of fucked up.

I'm Hardcore
06-18-2009, 11:00 PM
this is why you don't download music with any affiliation to the RIAA

Gossamer
06-18-2009, 11:04 PM
Yeah man because I'm sure you've never downloaded any music associated with the RIAA.

get the fuck out of my thread.

Thaniel Buckner
06-18-2009, 11:07 PM
piracy will save music.

Thaniel Buckner
06-18-2009, 11:08 PM
i mean, am i right guys?

The Omega Concern
06-18-2009, 11:09 PM
I. overture
Words and music by geddy lee, alex lifeson, and neil peart

And the meek shall inherit the earth.

Ii. the temples of syrinx
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson

... the massive grey walls of the temples rise from the
Heart of every federation city. I have always been awed
By them, to think that every single facet of every life is
Regulated and directed from within! our books, our music,
Our work and play are all looked after by the benevolent
Wisdom of the priests...

Weve taken care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
Its one for all and all for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls

Look around this world we made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the red star proudly high in hand

We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.
We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.

Iii. discovery
Words by neil peart, music by alex lifeson

... behind my beloved waterfall, in the little room that was
Hidden beneath the cave, I found it. I brushed away the
Dust of the years, and picked it up, holding it reverently in
My hands. I had no idea what it might be, but it was
Beautiful ...
... I learned to lay my fingers across the wires, and to turn
The keys to make them sound differently. as I struck the
Wires with my other hand, I produced my first harmonious
Sounds, and soon my own music! how different it could
Be from the music of the temples! I cant wait to tell the
Priests about it! ...

What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
Its got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

See how it sings like a sad heart
And joyously screams out its pain
Sounds that build high like a mountain
Or notes that fall gently like rain

I cant wait to share this new wonder
The people will all see its light
Let them all make their own music
The priests praise my name on this night

Iv. presentation
Words by neil peart, music by alex lifeson

... in the sudden silence as I finished playing, I looked up
To a circle of grim, expressionless faces. father brown
Rose to his feet, and his somnolent voice echoed
Throughout the silent temple hall. ...
... instead of the grateful joy that I expected, they were
Words of quiet rejection! instead of praise, sullen
Dismissal. I watched in shock and horror as father brown
Ground my precious instrument to splinters beneath his
Feet...

I know its most unusual
To come before you so
But Ive found an ancient miracle
I thought that you should know

Listen to my music
And hear what it can do
Theres something here as strong as life
I know that it will reach you

Yes, we know its nothing new
Its just a waste of time
We have no need for ancient ways
The world is doing fine

Another toy will help destroy
The elder race of man
Forget about your silly whim
It doesnt fit the plan

I cant believe youre saying
These things just cant be true
Our world could use this beauty
Just think what we might do

Listen to my music
And hear what it can do
Theres something here as strong as life
I know that it will reach you

Dont annoy us further
We have our work to do
Just think about the average
What use have they for you?

Another toy will help destroy
The elder race of man
Forget about your silly whim
It doesnt fit the plan

V. oracle: the dream
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson

... I guess it was a dream, but even now it all seems so
Vivid to me. clearly yet I see the beckoning hand of the
Oracle as he stood at the summit of the staircase ...
... I see still the incredible beauty of the sculptured cities
And the pure spirit of man revealed in the lives and works
Of this world. I was overwhelmed by both wonder and
Understanding as I saw a completely different way to life,
A way that had been crushed by the federation long ago. i
Saw now how meaningless life had become with the loss
Of all these things ...

I wandered home though silent streets
And fell into a fitful sleep
Escape to realms beyond the night
Dream cant you show me the light?

I stand atop a spiral stair
An oracle confronts me there
He leads me on light years away
Through astral nights, galactic days

I see the works of gifted hands
That grace this strange and wondrous land
I see the hand of man arise
With hungry mind and open eyes

They left the planets long ago
The elder race still learn and grow
Their power grows with purpose strong
To claim the home where they belong
Home, to tear the temples down...
Home, to change..

Vi. soliloquy
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson

... I have not left this cave for days now, it has become
My last refuge in my total despair. I have only the music of
The waterfall to comfort me now. I can no longer live
Under the control of the federation, but there is no other
Place to go. my last hope is that with my death I may pass
Into the world of my dream, and know peace at last.

The sleep is still in my eyes
The dream is still in my head
I heave a sigh and sadly smile
And lie a while in bed
I wish that it might come to pass
Not fade like all my dreams

Just think of what my life might be
In a world like I have seen
I dont think I can carry on
Carry on this cold and empty life
Oh...noo!

My spirits are low in the depths of despair
My lifeblood spills over..

Vii. grand finale
Music by geddy lee, alex lifeson, and neil peart

Attention all planets of the solar federation
Attention all planets of the solar federation
Attention all planets of the solar federation
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control.

AndySlash
06-18-2009, 11:11 PM
Seriously though.... the RIAA is still doing this fucking shit?

No. This case first went to trial a couple years ago, so was in process well before then.

I'm Hardcore
06-18-2009, 11:16 PM
Yeah A because I'm sure you've never downloaded any A associated with the RIAA.

get the fuck out of my thread.

what the fuck are you talking about? i am merely stating a sensible point of view. jesus christ.

your credibility takes yet another dive

mxzombie
06-18-2009, 11:20 PM
she actually downloaded something like 1800 songs, but they boiled it down to a "representative set" of 24 songs.

I'm Hardcore
06-18-2009, 11:22 PM
she actually downloaded something like 1800 A, but they boiled it down to a "representative set" of 24 songs.

Tim, Gossamer always knows what he is talking about

mxzombie
06-18-2009, 11:29 PM
*shuffles away meekly*

I'm Hardcore
06-18-2009, 11:34 PM
i would love to know how the figure of $1.9 million was reached.

way to go, RIAA. Blaming and suing your own consumers for the current state of the industry, good stuff.

Joe
06-18-2009, 11:39 PM
with that taste in music she is lucky she did not get executed

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:03 AM
what the fuck are you talking about? i am merely stating a sensible point of view. jesus christ.

your credibility takes yet another dive

no because I'm sure you download tons of music that is RIAA affiliated so get out of here with that BS.

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:05 AM
she actually downloaded something like 1800 songs, but they boiled it down to a "representative set" of 24 songs.

Either way this is complete fucking bullshit.

Fine her 1,800 dollars then.

Fuck it fine her 3,600 so she has to pay double for each song she "stole".

$2,000,000.00 is complete nonsense.

I hope they never see a penny.

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 12:06 AM
no because I'm sure you download tons of music that is RIAA affiliated so get out of here with that BS.

no, i really don't.

RIAA Radar: Home (http://www.riaaradar.com)

quit being a petulant child and think twice before you hit the 'submit reply' button

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 12:07 AM
it's not a deterrent if they fine her $2 per song, plenty of people can afford to take that risk.

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:08 AM
I'm appalled that shit like this is still allowed to go on.

The "crime" simply does not match the punishment.


Might as well nail her to a cross and throw stones at her while were at it.


Fine her $10,000 then if $3,600 is not enough.

I highly doubt the average american family has $10,000 just lying around somewhere.
It will get the job done just as well.

Joe
06-19-2009, 12:08 AM
i hate to agree with i'm hardcore about anything but.....

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 12:10 AM
I'm appalled that shit like this is still allowed to go on.

The "crime" simply does not match the punishment.

Might as well nail her to a cross and throw stones at her while were at it.if you wanted to make an example of someone, would you treat them lightly? she's a fucking scapegoat, as regrettable as it is.

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:11 AM
no, i really don't.

RIAA Radar: Home (http://www.riaaradar.com)

quit being a petulant child and think twice before you hit the 'submit reply' button

I know what the RIAA is dumbass.
They have their hands in nearly everything and I HIGHLY doubt you check that site every single time before you download something online.

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 12:13 AM
I see what you're saying Tim, but $2 million dollars is just plain ridiculous. How is she going to afford to pay that back?

if anything, the RIAA is profiteering/benefitting from illegal activity (assuming that the proceeds of her fine go to them)

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:13 AM
if you wanted to make an example of someone, would you treat them lightly? she's a fucking scapegoat, as regrettable as it is.


Yeah a scapegoat for nothing.

This isn't going to deter anybody.

In fact it makes me want to download more as a fuck you to everyone involved.

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 12:14 AM
this is going nowhere. quit now

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 12:14 AM
I know what the RIAA is dumbass.
They have their hands in nearly everything and I HIGHLY doubt you check that site every A time before you download something online.

oh for fucks sake , you dipshit.

i don't tend to like mainstream music, okay? so i KNOW which labels are/aren't affiiliated with the RIAA. Can't you get your thick fucking skull around that?

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 12:19 AM
I see what you're saying Tim, but $2 million dollars is just plain ridiculous. How is she going to afford to pay that back?

if anything, the RIAA is profiteering/benefitting from illegal activity (assuming that the proceeds of her fine go to them)i doubt she'll ever pay it back, and i don't think the money's really the point. i'd bet the RIAA isn't going to benefit much from an extra $2mil anyway. i'm totally with you all on how fucked up it all is but frankly i think it's more of a show than anything. i mean if she makes something like $40k a year and it all goes to pay the RIAA, it'd still be damn near 50 years before she could pay them their judgment in full.

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:19 AM
I don't tend to like mainstream music either but the RIAA still has their hands in LOTS of stuff, including things you wouldn't think that they did.

For example, the newest Radiohead album which was self released on their website.
That's not RIAA safe.

All I'm saying is, it's very possible even with your obscure music taste to download something that's not RIAA safe, so to say what you did earlier is kind of ridiculous.

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 12:20 AM
I don't tend to like mainstream music either but the RIAA still has their hands in LOTS of stuff, including things you wouldn't think that they did.

For example, the newest Radiohead album which was self released on their website.
That's not RIAA safe.

All I'm saying is, it's very possible even with your obscure music taste to download something that's not RIAA safe, so to say what you did earlier is kind of ridiculous.quit being a dipshit and let it go

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:23 AM
I'm not the one being a dipshit here.

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 12:23 AM
I don't tend to like mainstream A either but the RIAA still has their hands in LOTS of stuff, including things you wouldn't think that they did.

For example, the newest A album which was self released on their website.
That's not RIAA safe.

All I'm saying is, it's very possible even with your obscure taste to download something that's not RIAA safe, so to say what you did earlier is kind of ridiculous.

did you even look at the link i posted?

'In Rainbows' was a self-released album. Therefore, the RIAA has no say in who downloads it, and at what cost. It's the same thing as me posting my own music on a blog.

it's got nothing to do with "obscure taste". it's called Common Sense.

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 12:25 AM
i'd call taking issue with a harmless (and correct) comment and carrying on about it based on your own unfounded presumptions being a dipshit alright

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 12:25 AM
sad thing is, the dipshit and I agree on the fundamentals of this issue.

whatever. /exit

bja1288
06-19-2009, 12:26 AM
For example, the newest Radiohead album which was self released on their website.




http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/jiminygemini/the_more_you_know2.jpg

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:32 AM
did you even look at the link i posted?

'In Rainbows' was a self-released album. Therefore, the RIAA has no say in who downloads it, and at what cost. It's the same thing as me posting my own music on a blog.

it's got nothing to do with "obscure taste". it's called Common Sense.

http://i42.tinypic.com/dg6qmt.jpg


ahem

bja1288
06-19-2009, 12:35 AM
how about you two quit beating around the bush and just meet up in the woods and duke it out

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:42 AM
haha I like how he has nothing to say now that I just proved him wrong.

maoi
06-19-2009, 12:46 AM
its not a deterrent. i'm going to download 30 albums tonight.

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 12:53 AM
I also like how if I walked into best buy or wal-mart and tried to steal a cd copy of MCIS (28 songs) they probably wouldn't even call the cops.

Toast
06-19-2009, 12:59 AM
Woman illegally downloads 24 songs, fined to tune of $1.9 million - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/minnesota.music.download.fine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)





Also, what kind of backwards fucking retarded jury did you find that would actually find this poor woman guilty?

Ridiculous.


I'd expect a ruling like this from a judge, but it's utterly unbelievable that a jury of her peers would fuck her so hard. God bless America...

The Omega Concern
06-19-2009, 01:04 AM
this little story with the big pricetag is just another brick in the wall. there's always a bigger picture...


"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. "

Ayn Rand

mxzombie
06-19-2009, 01:06 AM
its not a deterrent. i'm going to download 30 albums tonight.i didn't say it would work

maoi
06-19-2009, 01:11 AM
you said its a deterrent

killtrocity
06-19-2009, 02:20 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/dg6qmt.jpg


ahem
What if the RIAA Radar result is incorrect?
Since the album data is not ours, and the RIAA member listings are terribly inaccurate and erroneous, it is possible that the Radar may return incorrect results. We do not claim that the data or the Radar results to be 100% correct, but we use a lot of user information and double-checking to make sure the application is as accurate as it can be by itself. The application should be used to help your purchasing research, not be it.

The RIAA Radar does not hold or own any of the album data, so we cannot change any of it except the result that comes up based on the record label given by Amazon. If you see a Radar result that you think is incorrect, there is a link next to every result which you can submit an item for review. The label info page lists popularly disputed labels, and the background information as to why a label shows up with a particular result on this site.



What the fuck is wrong with you?

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 02:32 AM
No.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

The site is correct, check out this article.
That album is associated with the RIAA.

Gizmodo - Radiohead Selling In Rainbows on CD Via One of the Big Four in January - Big Four (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cop-out/radiohead-selling-in-rainbows-on-cd-via-one-of-the-big-four-in-january-309948.php)

Starla
06-19-2009, 03:04 AM
what the fuck is wrong with all of you?

redbreegull
06-19-2009, 03:16 AM
This shit is pretty fucked up. Imagine stealing an equivalent number of songs via CD from a record store.... that's a pretty big theft, but they wouldn't fine the culprit TWO MILLION DOLLARS. Jesus Fuck.

fluxequalsrad
06-19-2009, 04:24 AM
What the fuck is wrong with you?

since when is the issue "What albums the RIAA has domain over"?

The prosecution of people downloading music, in this case - one single person being prosectued and being sued millions of dollars in damages for fucking shit that is flying all over the internet = THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE HERE.

go ahead, appeal to your own sense of common decency/morality. do you think it is fair?

The Omega Concern
06-19-2009, 05:23 AM
redbreegull, that's a spot on analysis.

"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. "

Ayn Rand

Mo
06-19-2009, 05:43 AM
Way to go, content-mafia.

.

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 05:43 AM
hey, Gossamer, guess what?

Ato Records pressed the cd/vinyl, through their subsidiary label TBD Records, AFTER the digital downloads were made available. They had NOTHING to do with the digital download. So eat my fat fucking cock. Don't sit there all smug thinking I am wrong, because I am not.

If you downloaded that album from the Radiohead website, you have broken no laws. Which was my original point.

cork_soaker
06-19-2009, 06:12 AM
its not a deterrent. i'm going to download 30 albums tonight.

hear, hear

:flutesolo:

dean_r_koontz
06-19-2009, 06:23 AM
she should have gone for the settlement like the other 35000 people who have been accused of file sharing in the us have. in that case she would have gotten away with paying betweeen 3000 to 5000 dollars

ChristHimself!
06-19-2009, 06:23 AM
hey, Gossamer, guess what?

Ato Records pressed the cd/vinyl, through their subsidiary label TBD Records, AFTER the digital downloads were made available. They had NOTHING to do with the digital download. So eat my fat fucking cock. Don't sit there all smug thinking I am wrong, because I am not.

If you downloaded that album from the Radiohead website, you have broken no laws. Which was my original point.

haha I like how he has nothing to say now that I just proved him wrong.

<dfgfd>

Ever
06-19-2009, 07:08 AM
lol fined to the tune of.

That's pretty good

ravenguy2000
06-19-2009, 07:17 AM
I AM SO FUCKING OUTRAGED RIGHT NOW

Ever
06-19-2009, 07:17 AM
Calm down, man

Gossamer
06-19-2009, 10:22 AM
hey, Gossamer, guess what?

Ato Records pressed the cd/vinyl, through their subsidiary label TBD Records, AFTER the digital downloads were made available. They had NOTHING to do with the digital download. So eat my fat fucking cock. Don't sit there all smug thinking I am wrong, because I am not.

If you downloaded that album from the Radiohead website, you have broken no laws. Which was my original point.

you are completely missing the point.

let me backtrack here and provide some numbered points so that you may fully understand what occurred in this thread.

1. You originally posted "this is why you don't download things that are associated with the RIAA" after reading this thread.

2. I told you to promptly leave my thread because I highly doubted that
a. you checked the RIAA radar site every time before you downloaded something.
b. you've never downloaded anything associated with the RIAA by mistake.

3. I told you, hey man the RIAA has their hands in lots of stuff that you wouldn't immediately think they would, including accidentally enough, the new Radiohead record In Rainbows.

4. You told me I was an idiot and that In Rainbows had nothing to do with the RIAA and asked me if I even looked at the site you posted in the first place.

5. I posted a print screen photo of the RIAA radar site after typing in In Rainbows and the results showed that the album was indeed associated with the RIAA.

6. I know that if you downloaded the album from their site originally you weren't breaking any laws... I'm not a dumbass. But ever since they pressed the record at ATO, if you downloaded it online you were technically breaking the law because it was now a part of the RIAA.

Which brings me to my last point,

7. Is it not impossible that you MAY have accidentally downloaded something associated with the RIAA that you didn't think was actually associated with it? Many people, like yourself, assumed that because the Radiohead record was originally released for free through their website, that they could just download it wherever and whenever they wanted, but this is actually untrue because of the last CD pressing.

That's all I'm trying to say man.
It's possible that you could make a mistake and accidentally download something that you thought was safe...

I'm glad that we at least agreed that what happened here to this woman is fucked up...
:erm:

aldango
06-19-2009, 02:44 PM
way to go, RIAA. Blaming and suing your own consumers for the current state of the industry, good stuff.

she's obviously not a customer since she's downloading duhhh

ATS
06-19-2009, 03:21 PM
people who buy cds are scum. they should just raise the price of cds by ten times to cover the piracy losses

D.
06-19-2009, 05:01 PM
This thread has Down's Syndrome.

cork_soaker
06-19-2009, 05:57 PM
^
music is life

redbull
06-19-2009, 06:18 PM
the knife are not that good

cork_soaker
06-19-2009, 06:39 PM
i like the picture

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 09:09 PM
you are completely missing the point.

let me backtrack here and provide some numbered points so that you may fully understand what occurred in this thread.

1. You originally posted "this is why you don't download things that are associated with the RIAA" after reading this thread.

2. I told you to promptly leave my thread because I highly doubted that
a. you checked the RIAA radar site every time before you downloaded something.
b. you've never downloaded anything associated with the RIAA by mistake.

3. I told you, hey man the RIAA has their hands in lots of stuff that you wouldn't immediately think they would, including accidentally enough, the new Radiohead record In Rainbows.

4. You told me I was an idiot and that In Rainbows had nothing to do with the RIAA and asked me if I even looked at the site you posted in the first place.

5. I posted a print screen photo of the RIAA radar site after typing in In Rainbows and the results showed that the album was indeed associated with the RIAA.

6. I know that if you downloaded the album from their site originally you weren't breaking any laws... I'm not a dumbass. But ever since they pressed the record at ATO, if you downloaded it online you were technically breaking the law because it was now a part of the RIAA.

Which brings me to my last point,

7. Is it not impossible that you MAY have accidentally downloaded something associated with the RIAA that you didn't think was actually associated with it? Many people, like yourself, assumed that because the Radiohead record was originally released for free through their website, that they could just download it wherever and whenever they wanted, but this is actually untrue because of the last CD pressing.

That's all I'm trying to say man.
It's possible that you could make a mistake and accidentally download something that you thought was safe...

I'm glad that we at least agreed that what happened here to this woman is fucked up...
:erm:

will reply to this later

I'm Hardcore
06-19-2009, 09:11 PM
she's obviously not a customer since she's downloading duhhh

consumer, bro, CONSUMER.

aldango
06-20-2009, 05:18 PM
consumer, bro, CONSUMER.

oh, yeah, oops

bro

Gish08
06-21-2009, 10:52 PM
Fuck the RIAA.

btw, I thought ISP's could only threaten to suspend service, not take you to court, as of a few months ago?

$1.9 million for 24 songs is outrageous. She must have been a big seeder on various torrent trackers, though...

Elvis The Fat Years
06-22-2009, 01:07 PM
she was probably using kazzaa with no firewall.

Elvis The Fat Years
06-22-2009, 01:12 PM
Woman with no computer 'settles' with RIAA over piracy claim

21 June 2009 1:22 by Andre "DVDBack23" Yoskowitz | 16 comments

Woman with no computer 'settles' with RIAA over piracy claim Although the big news has been surrounding the RIAA and their decision over file sharer Jammie Thomas, another piece of interesting news regarding the trade group has surfaced today as well.

Mavis Roy, a woman who was sued by the RIAA over alleged file sharing, has 'settled' today with the trade group, however there is much more to it.

On the dates in which she is alleged to have pirated the music, Roy did not own a computer, and her stories check out. She tossed out the first written threat from the RIAA thinking it was a joke and was promptly sued afterwards. Luckily, a law student took up her case and Roy and the RIAA settled today for the lofty sum of $0 USD.

Despite this victory in court, Roy is "still unsettled that the record companies are able to treat upstanding American citizens in this way. Invading peopleís privacy and accusing people of things that donít even make sense. It is such a sad waste of the courts time."

28if
06-22-2009, 03:07 PM
Maybe you could incorporate this thread into your screenplay Gossamer

mxzombie
06-24-2009, 10:54 PM
<img src=http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9172/1245456677307.jpg>

Gossamer
06-24-2009, 11:58 PM
haha wow that is an amazing screen shot.

shows you how fucked up our society is.

Gossamer
06-24-2009, 11:59 PM
Maybe you could incorporate this thread into your screenplay Gossamer

Yeah maybe I'll incorporate you not being able to fuck your idiot girlfriend for 2 years too.

28if
06-25-2009, 12:02 AM
Either way, it's going to suck.

Gossamer
06-25-2009, 12:32 AM
Maybe but at least I can have sex with my girlfriend.

Fattening Ass
06-25-2009, 12:35 AM
Palmela Handerson?