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Kahlo
06-09-2009, 02:46 PM
According to the sleuthing on the O-board:

# 09:29 today: mega band practice and final listening sessions on the moses album. billy corgan posted about mike in his blog. drummer of the future #
scrumbles: 09:29 today: mega band practice and fi (http://scrumbles.livejournal.com/144488.html)

Then... from Mike's Space:

MySpace | A Place for Friends (http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendId=35504991)
"Mike is off for another couple weeks at pumpkin camp", yesterday!"

So... that's it!

Board Message (http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board/index.php?showtopic=5150)

redbull
06-09-2009, 02:51 PM
is this the 12 year old

Kahlo
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
19 year old I think.

slunken
06-09-2009, 03:25 PM
don't we have a few threads about this already?

edit: 2 days ago: http://forums.netphoria.org/3496964-post29.html

Kahlo
06-09-2009, 03:31 PM
it was mentioned, but it isn't as if this place is overrunning with threads.

slunken
06-09-2009, 03:37 PM
no the mindless clutter is generally left to the o-board. but do what you must...

fluxequalsrad
06-09-2009, 03:55 PM
Billy, you so crazy!

fluxequalsrad
06-09-2009, 04:02 PM
I mean, I know I felt bad before, but now I really feel bad for anyone with an SP tattoo. That kid has one fruity indie-garb band.

CrabbMan
06-09-2009, 04:20 PM
You want to go to the circus and to get into the circus it costs you five...pence. So you stand in line, you don't have five pence but you really want to go to the circus. Someone comes along and says well, ell I'll take you into the circus and I'll pay the five pence. But you got to pay me back later. So they take you in the circus and take you out. Well, oh, when are you going to pay me back? I don't know, I'll get around to it sooner or later. That's the story of the band.

Panthalassa
06-09-2009, 06:01 PM
If this was done to irritate Jimmy (even more), it's probably working quite well. Personally, I would have chosen the kid drummer from Hanson, even though he's Mike's elder by 4 years.

Mablak
06-09-2009, 06:30 PM
Even ginger and jeff should be uncomfortable with someone of that age in the band. But yeah good point, he's probably trying to get back at Jimmy. Anyway this is all pretty monumentally sad, Bill really should've let SP die the moment Jimmy left.

Pizza Club
06-09-2009, 06:50 PM
I don't know why people have a problem with the dude's age. Ilan Rubin is 20 and he's doing a fine job for his middle aged alt-rock star

hcueva
06-09-2009, 07:25 PM
@Pizza Club

It's not that we dislike the guy's age per se. The problem is what Billy's decision implies: I need to find a Jonas Brothers looking guy, who will do as he's told.

Do you think he couldn't find a better, more creative and experienced drummer? Of course he could. But then he would have had to worry about dealing with other people's opinions and creative input.

Which is not bad in itself either, but just go SOLO then!!! Go solo and you won't have to worry about recruiting people. But he won't go solo, will he? Because he knows he'll sell even less copies if he does. He'd rather keep the name, create the illusion of a band and bring a kid who looks very new MTV.

Shallowed
06-09-2009, 07:54 PM
It all makes sense.

Machina Mystery is solved.

"If I were dead, would my records sell?"

SlingeroGuitaro
06-09-2009, 08:04 PM
@Pizza Club

It's not that we dislike the guy's age per se. The problem is what Billy's decision implies: I need to find a Jonas Brothers looking guy, who will do as he's told.

Do you think he couldn't find a better, more creative and experienced drummer? Of course he could. But then he would have had to worry about dealing with other people's opinions and creative input.


maybe billy liked the recklessness of jimmy's playing in his youth and is simply trying to recapture that.

i dont think his decision to go after a 19 year old implies anything other than the kid is good.

somaziro
06-09-2009, 08:38 PM
lots of good music has been made be 19 year olds

rudi
06-09-2009, 08:52 PM
I've listened to that GuitarCenter clip of Mike Byrne, and whatever I could find of his band "Moses, Smell the Roses" on myspace.


And I sincerely do not get it, at all. I've tried to support Billy, but I think that PERHAPS he has really just fucking lost it. I've been so caught up in all of the good music that is out there that I haven't had time to think about SP in a while, but this news is just... bizarre.

The reason I don't get it: the kid has some chops. But is it just me or is there a distinct lack of any unique style whatsoever in his drumming? I can literally think of 5 jazz drummers from my area that I know PERSONALLY who have just as much in the way of chops as this Mike Byrne kid, and bucket-loads more style.

I don't mean to knock the kid... he's a great drummer. But there are oodles of great drummers out there, and many many better choices for SP.

If this has anything to do with "getting back" at Jimmy, then Billy really, really, really is a sad, disgusting person. Because not only is he throwing his own reputation on the bonfire, as well as any friendship he had with Jimmy (who I believe to be a great person and we all know to be a legendary drummer), but he is also USING this 19-year old kid for his own greedy purposes. The rape of the kid's career. But who knows, maybe Billy sees something we don't. Because I really, really don't see anything.

topleybird
06-09-2009, 09:14 PM
Get the chick from Lenny Kravitz's band, she can't be up to much

And replace Jeff with a chick while you're at it

You know what, fuck it, hire Kittie as your backing band

That's what I wanted to say all along

Pizza Club
06-09-2009, 10:12 PM
Get the chick from Lenny Kravitz's band, she can't be up to much


Actually, isn't she in those talking Volkswagen commercials?

hcueva
06-10-2009, 12:08 AM
maybe billy liked the recklessness of 's playing in his youth and is simply trying to recapture that.

i dont think his decision to go after a 19 implies anything is good.


Maybe you're in denial. What has the bald one done in the last years to give you the impression that this isn't just either

a) A delusional, "god spoke to me", mistake.
b) A cheap publicity stunt (i.e. getting an Asian and a chick for SP2, six sided cage, the new music genre he invented, etc.)
?

slunken
06-10-2009, 12:18 AM
bill doesn't know how to program a drum machine by himself anymore

topleybird
06-10-2009, 12:23 AM
Actually, isn't she in those talking Volkswagen commercials?

This is true; scrap that entirely and go with Kittie

stripes
06-10-2009, 02:53 AM
Stupid.

Martyr
06-10-2009, 04:07 AM
I wonder what would piss Jimmy off more; a kid getting the job or someone like Matt Cameron who people would (wrongly) argue to be better etc.

At least this way he knows he made the right call and will have no regrets.

Mo
06-10-2009, 04:29 AM
Oh my.

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Starla
06-10-2009, 04:47 AM
now all we need is Kelly Clarkson and Zac Efron.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-10-2009, 05:04 AM
esty to thread. we need someone fighting the fact that billy didn't ask ron roesing back.

Martyr
06-10-2009, 05:07 AM
Smashing Pumpkins hire teen drummer? | News | NME.COM (http://www.nme.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins/45218)

Cool As Ice Cream
06-10-2009, 05:31 AM
let me just say this:

<img src="http://www.blamonet.com/vb/images/smilies/new/oink.gif" width="200%">

Musica
06-10-2009, 08:43 AM
So, is this a pic from the audition?

Mike Byrne on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads (http://www.myspace.com/MikeByrneDrums)
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/90/l_dd4c5c0268f743b58781933f46585b94.jpg
That was pretty neat (to say the least)

Martyr
06-10-2009, 09:06 AM
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt66/rickyromaF365/hijc.jpg

Mo
06-10-2009, 09:09 AM
Heh.

topleybird
06-10-2009, 09:48 AM
Oh, hi, Jimmy. How've you been? You been playing in other bands much? No? You should get out there more, forget about me, you know?

Oh, me? Yeah, I'm seeing this new drummer—he's kind of young and hot and--what? Oh, it was nice bumping in to you, too. You take care of yourself.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-10-2009, 09:57 AM
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/90/l_dd4c5c0268f743b58781933f46585b94.jpg
That was pretty neat (to say the least)

which guy is the drummer?

Musica
06-10-2009, 11:10 AM
which guy is the drummer?
The one who is not the behind of "im" in Martyr's art.

Mike Byrne's My Photos Photo Album - MySpace Photos (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=463676776&albumId=398336)


http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/91/l_75279830d21e4029bb3443bf48efdf7d.jpg

paranoid
06-10-2009, 11:21 AM
Oh my.

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do you mean oh my as in this kid is great or as in this kid is a joke?

from what im seeing he's good for 19, and has potential, but c'mon listen to superchrist or streetcrawler or whatever and seriously tell me this kid is a good replacement for chamberlin. seriously. i know of about 5 guys i go to school with around his age that can drum just as well as that, if not better. he sounds like a 19 year old who practices a great deal. he doesn't sound like a seasoned player who'd be prepared to enter a band who had a phenomenal drummer behind the seat.

so why is he getting hired? the only indication to me is that he's a young, naive musician with a rock star dream whose never seen what a real professional paycheck looks like.. so billy can get him for cheap. this is pretty indicative of who DOESN'T want this job.. billy has to resort to a 19 year old starry eyed fan, or he has to choose that hack from system of a down. plenty of drummers out there who are more capable players than this kid could have easily taken the job, they just didnt want it.

Also what irks me is how much of a jimmy clone this kid is.. he's obviously influenced heavily by jimmy.. so is that what billy is going for i the bands sound? an imitation jimmy? why not find someone who has a completely fresh style, someone who has something different to offer rather than hiring someone who can pull of single stroke rolls like JC could when he was 19?

this whole thing just has potential to go completely wrong. at the end of the day the guy is just too young. billy will wear him out, or vice versa. this is not someone who will be sticking with billy much longer than a year, or two. but i might be wrong..

but fuck it. i checked out when jimmy left. he is ultimately irreplaceable, seeing as he was the strongest damn musician in that bands entire history. i'll be sticking to JCC complex from now on.

paranoid
06-10-2009, 11:27 AM
also the photo above with corgan, looks like the 20th anniversary tour backstage passes.. this photo was taken well before the audition as he hasn't logged into myspace since april 4th.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-10-2009, 11:37 AM
also the photo above with corgan, looks like the 20th anniversary tour backstage passes.. this photo was taken well before the audition as he hasn't logged into myspace since april 4th.

ooh! clever.

killtrocity
06-10-2009, 12:29 PM
What the fuck is this shit. Next thing you know SP is gonna be on the Disney channel.

(cause that's where the money's at)


The sad part is this seems entirely possible after the last year

slunken
06-10-2009, 12:44 PM
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/90/l_dd4c5c0268f743b58781933f46585b94.jpg
guy on the right looks like wayne arnold
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn69/arronsky/jason_hervey.jpg

New Art Rioter
06-10-2009, 12:44 PM
do you mean oh my as in this kid is great or as in this kid is a joke?

from what im seeing he's good for 19, and has potential, but c'mon listen to superchrist or streetcrawler or whatever and seriously tell me this kid is a good replacement for chamberlin. seriously. i know of about 5 guys i go to school with around his age that can drum just as well as that, if not better. he sounds like a 19 year old who practices a great deal. he doesn't sound like a seasoned player who'd be prepared to enter a band who had a phenomenal drummer behind the seat.

Etc etc

Fucking this. This dude sounds like he's good, but not that good. How can a guy this age even have the musical knowledge and experience to connect with BC?

paranoid
06-10-2009, 01:24 PM
the other big thing i forgot to mention, and the most important aspect, is can this kid COMPOSE? No matter what the argument, jimmy's drum parts were a HUGE aspect of SP's writing.. just listen to silverfuck, geek usa, superchrist, united states, cash car star, home, set the ray, lucky 13, stand inside your love, cherub rock, galapogos, tonight tonight, jellybelly, porcelina, thru the eyes, the list goes on and on and on and on. sure the kid has technique and chops, but can he create drum parts that were at the caliber of jimmy's almost untouchable work? from this kids myspace pages, the parts i've heard him play sound pretty standard fare for drum parts, as in they're rather boring and are written more to show 'flash' on a drum set rather than parts that compliment the song and take it to the next level. so far there is NOTHING on that i've heard from this kid that indicates that degree of musicianship.

forget arguing this, this is all a bad fucking joke.

paranoid
06-10-2009, 01:48 PM
uh.. just watched the video closer (i had a hard time listening to it before because i would lose interest half way through.. no musical development).. but he just kinda sucks. so sloppy in his technique and it's LOUD LOUD LOUD BAM BAM BAM all the time. like any other 19 year old drummer.

seriously WTF is going on here? jesus christ. this is just insanity.

you know what i think? billy should make an entire record WITHOUT DRUMS. no electronics, no kits, just no drums period. it could be done and i think the result could be powerful. just cut drums out completely.

ryoga
06-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Like “paranoid” I'm concerned about this kids ability to compose. He hasn't really shown much in the clips I've heard and he's only been drumming for 4 years now. He's talented but all over the place, he needs to learn how to edit himself. I'm not sure what Billy sees in this kid but I think there are a number of factors that come into play here. He'll come really cheap and being that he's a huge fan of Corgan he will also be extremely grateful and starry-eyed. He also won't challenge Billy in any way and will do as he's told. Maybe it's kind of like the son he never had, he's now got a young man to mould and bestow his musical knowledge upon. Sooner or later you'll see them at cubs games together or something.

srt4b
06-10-2009, 02:57 PM
OMGWTFBBQ FML

JJNelson
06-10-2009, 02:58 PM
For those interested - Mike Byrne's current band:

Moses, Smell The Roses on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads (http://www.myspace.com/satisfactosaurus)


Pretty awful music, but the kid can drum.

paranoid
06-10-2009, 02:58 PM
Maybe it's kind of like the son he never had, he's now got a young man to mould and bestow his musical knowledge upon. Sooner or later you'll see them at cubs games together or something.

this is another thought that crossed my mind. pretty obvious indication that billy has officially hit a midlife crisis, if the twitter posts didn't already hint at that. billy is gonna destroy this kid emotionally.

it's like he'll finally get to abuse the son he never had!! (jk)

fluxequalsrad
06-10-2009, 03:35 PM
looks like billy is going to be making more crappy metal songs laced with snare rolls.

Kahlo
06-10-2009, 03:41 PM
oh come on guys, JC's talents were wasted in SP2 - it isn't like they make innovative demanding music anymore esp since they don't play Gossamer live.

dustrock
06-10-2009, 03:49 PM
can we agree that Jeff, Ginger and Lisa are adequate musicians for Smashing Pumpkins?

As much as it's weird to have a 19-year-old drum for SP, I find it hard to believe that Corgan would hire him because he's young and therefore cheaper.

If it's because he's young and therefore pliable, then fine.

Kahlo
06-10-2009, 03:53 PM
Ginger just seems slightly below average. I'm still puzzled as to why she was chosen.

paranoid
06-10-2009, 03:54 PM
oh come on guys, JC's talents were wasted in SP2 - it isn't like they make innovative demanding music anymore esp since they don't play Gossamer live.

if anything his drumming made a lot of those songs a hell of a lot better, and his work on some of the newer material was outstanding, some of his best yet. SP were poised to make some great material once again (ARB, march hare, song for a son, etc etc etc).

and no jeff and ginger were kinda meh. like ive said many times though, they started getting it together towards the end, but still.

paranoid
06-10-2009, 03:55 PM
so kahlo what you're saying is that bill's writing is pretty much good enough for a 19 year old drummer now anyway? so it's a good idea overall? makes sense.

Kahlo
06-10-2009, 03:56 PM
I still think Jeff is awesome, but those new songs just aren't that great.

ryoga
06-10-2009, 04:00 PM
can we agree that Jeff, Ginger and Lisa are adequate musicians for Smashing Pumpkins?

As much as it's weird to have a 19-year-old drum for SP, I find it hard to believe that Corgan would hire him because he's young and therefore cheaper.

If it's because he's young and therefore pliable, then fine.

It was Jimmy who did the auditions for Jeff, Ginger, Lisa. It might have also helped that the first two were also good friends of the former pumpkin queen. I like them as touring musicians and they are technically able but I still don't see what they could really bring to the studio...more so Ginger (her band was really terrible) than Jeff or Lisa. I think Jeff in the studio would be interesting and I'm looking forward to his contributions.

wHATcOLOR
06-10-2009, 04:46 PM
i bet bill will molest him, similar to the way michael jackson did things

hcueva
06-10-2009, 04:54 PM
He hired Jeff and Ginger for the same reason he hired this fag kid: IMAGE!

Jeff: East Asian (James).
Ginger: Chick (D'arcy) and hispanic (Paz).
9 year old: Jonas Brothers, ticket to new MTV and maybe even Disney.

THIS IS THE LAST THING I'M TAKING FROM THIS WASHED UP HAS BEEN. I won't even bother going to his concerts anymore, let alone buying his shit records.

There're so many good records to look forward to coming out this year: Aphex Twin, Deftones, Air, etc. Sonic Youth, Royksopp and Telefon Tel Aviv just came out weeks ago. Why bother with the bald one and his Disney Channel dreams?

duovamp
06-10-2009, 04:55 PM
Who cares if the kid's 19. If Billy actually picks him then wait for some material to come out first.

You guys. :noway:

slunken
06-10-2009, 07:17 PM
but does his drumming sound like spring?

srt4b
06-11-2009, 01:25 AM
but does his drumming sound like spring?


i lol'd

Shallowed
06-11-2009, 02:07 AM
uh.. just watched the video closer (i had a hard time listening to it before because i would lose interest half way through.. no musical development).. but he just kinda sucks. so sloppy in his technique and it's LOUD LOUD LOUD BAM BAM BAM all the time. like any other 19 year old drummer.

Mm.

He's a good drummer, but yeah, it isn't all about playing as hard and as fast as you can. But then I suppose it is a good way to show off what you're capable of.

Kahlo
06-11-2009, 02:27 AM
http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1181outcome1.jpg

I will now refer to him as BAM BAM

paranoid
06-11-2009, 02:29 AM
http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1181outcome1.jpg

I will now refer to him as BAM

I was going to suggest this.

he is here on out named BAM BAM.

Martyr
06-11-2009, 07:19 AM
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt66/rickyromaF365/spwonderyears.jpg

Cool As Ice Cream
06-11-2009, 07:21 AM
haha

topleybird
06-11-2009, 11:04 AM
Same oddly puffy cheekbones

Can we pool some money and hire a private detective to verify this kid's paternity

topleybird
06-11-2009, 11:08 AM
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7765/oscarbusterokaysmh.jpg

brendo_91
06-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Mm.

He's a good drummer, but yeah, it isn't all about playing as hard and as fast as you can. But then I suppose it is a good way to show off what you're capable of.

The youtube video of the kid is at a drumming competition...

slunken
06-11-2009, 01:25 PM
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt66/rickyromaF365/spwonderyears.jpg

now add a young marilyn manson for paul.

also, i don't think calling the kid BAM BAM is as negative as you guys think. or does this mean that you're now willing to except him, under this context?

dustrock
06-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Looks like the new nickname is Bam Bam. :D

slunken
06-11-2009, 02:18 PM
ooo-hoo the years byrne

DaveKShape
06-11-2009, 03:13 PM
i bet bill will molest him, similar to the way michael jackson did things

http://i44.tinypic.com/dpaao5.jpg

Starla
06-11-2009, 03:31 PM
Billy always wanted a son, and now he has one.

paranoid
06-11-2009, 05:01 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/dpaao5.jpg

fucking amazing.

rudi
06-11-2009, 09:16 PM
This is just fucking weird, and fucking stupid.

hcueva
06-11-2009, 09:22 PM
Billy noticed James was playing for the female member of Hanson, and he just had to outdo him with Bam Bam.

slunken
06-11-2009, 09:57 PM
still think you need to re-think the whole bam-bam thing. i mean, you DO realize that it's more positive/affectionate than it is negative. or was i sleeping when we decided to like the kid? i need to know.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-12-2009, 03:58 AM
do you think that this new drummer kid is a god fearing christian? does he stay away from cigarettes, alcohol and other drugs? or would he be more like the party type? i mean, he's 19, right. i'd expect a 19 year old to go wild on everything he can get his hands on.

just wondering. i mean, i don't think it has ever been mentioned explicitely, but i had the impression that there was absolutely no room for alcohol and other stuff in sp2 so far. and bc and jc mentioned that they picked the new musicians not only based on how they played their instruments, but also based on how they were "as people". which probably translates to their lifestyle for a big part.

dunno. not that i really care, but i just had this thought, and i wouldn't be able to believe it if this guy became the new drummer, on tour and all, and would be the typical kind of alcohol abusing 19 year old.

Shallowed
06-12-2009, 04:14 AM
If daddy Billy ever catches him sneaking out doing drugs and alcohol and whatever badass shit there is to do, he could just ground him for a month.

Gish08
06-12-2009, 07:55 AM
Billy Corgan is a fucking moron. I've basically lost all respect for the man in his present form. Just let the band die so you don't ruin your legacy, but it may already be too late.

What's sad is that even with Jimmy, a lot of the things the band did over the past couple years was impressive.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-12-2009, 08:03 AM
yeah, i also find it very sad that they did things that were impressive. every night i cry in bed about it.

Gish08
06-12-2009, 08:45 AM
I wouldn't go that far!

Cool As Ice Cream
06-12-2009, 09:02 AM
if only they hadn't done anything impressive. i'd be a lot happier.

Musica
06-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Who cares if the kid's 19. If Billy actually picks him then wait for some material to come out first.

I agree with you. He can prove us himself by his sound.

topleybird
06-12-2009, 10:49 AM
Alternatively, he could prove himself by NOT BEING YOUNGER THAN THE BAND IS.

Musica
06-12-2009, 11:03 AM
Alternatively, he could prove himself by NOT BEING YOUNGER THAN THE BAND IS.
Oh my god I realized now he is younger than SP! (untrue fan alert by myself)

fluxequalsrad
06-12-2009, 11:56 AM
The Pumpkins meltdown would make such a great documentary - it's reached Spinal Tap proportions.

hnibos
06-12-2009, 12:06 PM
do you think that this new drummer kid is a god fearing christian? does he stay away from cigarettes, alcohol and other drugs? or would he be more like the party type? i mean, he's 19, right. i'd expect a 19 year old to go wild on everything he can get his hands on.

just wondering. i mean, i don't think it has ever been mentioned explicitely, but i had the impression that there was absolutely no room for alcohol and other stuff in sp2 so far. and bc and jc mentioned that they picked the new musicians not only based on how they played their instruments, but also based on how they were "as people". which probably translates to their lifestyle for a big part.

dunno. not that i really care, but i just had this thought, and i wouldn't be able to believe it if this guy became the new drummer, on tour and all, and would be the typical kind of alcohol abusing 19 year old.

he could get billy back into drugs

DaveKShape
06-12-2009, 12:55 PM
if this guy became the new drummer, on tour and all, and would be the typical kind of alcohol abusing 19 year old.
he could get billy back into drugs

http://i44.tinypic.com/okzn7k.jpg

Cool As Ice Cream
06-12-2009, 01:15 PM
awesome :)

Kahlo
06-12-2009, 02:05 PM
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/OtCWn3qlY7w&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/OtCWn3qlY7w&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

BAM BAM

Rickpat12
06-12-2009, 02:27 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/okzn7k.jpg

YES!

Kahlo
06-12-2009, 02:48 PM
as long as he doesn't drink out of plastic cans we might be ok.

slunken
06-12-2009, 04:20 PM
wow

hcueva
06-12-2009, 04:39 PM
The Spinal Tap statement is very true.

Shit Sandwich == Shitgeist.
The Gospel According To Spinal Tap == Machina/The Machines of God.
The bass player became a horse rancher == D'arcy

fluxequalsrad
06-12-2009, 04:50 PM
as long as he doesn't drink out of plastic cans we might be ok.

I don't think anyone will ever drink out of 'plastic cans'

cardiac
06-12-2009, 08:31 PM
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I guess it's official then. "He's 19. Gotta train him"

hcueva
06-12-2009, 08:52 PM
Do we have any LA-based netphorians? Someone should follow him and tell him some truths instead of laugh at his pathetic pseudojokes "He's 19", "hahahahhahaha", "Drinks mountain dew", "hahahahaha".

Jackasses.

ravenguy2000
06-12-2009, 08:58 PM
I guess it's official then. "He's 19. Gotta groom him"

fixed

wounded
06-13-2009, 11:05 AM
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i mean great for the kid, i bet he is super pumped and he'll make a bit of cash, whatever bill decides to throw his way. i wonder how much he does pay these hired guns?

Still miss jimmy though, can't be replaced.

I wonder where the band would be if all these people got along

<img src=http://www.my-mistake.net/infinitepics/band/band223.jpg>

Kahlo
06-13-2009, 01:10 PM
^ that picture just made me really, really sad :(

RenewRevive
06-13-2009, 03:40 PM
pretty shocking decision...

maybe the kid's an auteur who is totally into the creative process, is a studio rat, ready to commit to extensive touring and doesn't have middle-aged baggage...just like billy

for jimmy, those days have clearly gone.

Zorgon
06-13-2009, 04:05 PM
Alternatively, he could prove himself by NOT BEING YOUNGER THAN THE BAND IS.

But SP2 has only been around for a couple of years :confused:

stumpycat
06-13-2009, 04:13 PM
do you think that this new drummer kid is a god fearing christian? does he stay away from cigarettes, alcohol and other drugs?
Yeah probably. He reminds me of one of those kids you see in church youth group. ...Or that Stewart kid from Beavis and Butthead.

slunken
06-13-2009, 08:27 PM
"He's 19", "hahahahhahaha", "Drinks mountain dew", "hahahahaha".

Thanks guys!

wHATcOLOR
06-14-2009, 01:46 PM
PMM already kissing some butt:


PumpkinsMediaMilitia (3 days ago)

Hopefully we see more of you Mr. Byrne

jasminetea
06-14-2009, 02:35 PM
Byrne isnt bad, but judging by songs on myspace and youtube clip, he apparently lacks precision, diversity and flexibility. i dont think he's capable of delivering delicate drumming like to forgive, set the ray etc for example.

gotta train him? hmmm, start from training...gonna be a long way...see you 10 years later, perhaps....

it's shame BC seems to be unable to work and collaborate with established musicians..

but i'm secretly expecting there will be chemical between him and BC... Jack White is best working with Meg as White Stripes, rather than with "proper" musicians for his other projects somehow, so similar thing might happen.

Musica
06-14-2009, 11:54 PM
he apparently lacks precision, diversity and flexibility.
Maybe that's the Billy's point. Maybe Byrne is smart and good as student, so he learns to play what Billy/SP wants for the sound. He is only 19 and not so long experiences it mean there is no good/bad habits with his play style yet, I guess. It's like Byrne is a white sheets so he can take on different colors whatever Billy likes... Oh well, it sounds like adoration of virginity!!! :eek:

Cool As Ice Cream
06-15-2009, 02:40 AM
PMM already kissing some butt:


PumpkinsMediaMilitia (3 days ago)

Hopefully we see more of you Mr. Byrne

lol pmm is gay

Corganist
06-15-2009, 03:01 AM
Byrne isnt bad, but judging by songs on myspace and youtube clip, he apparently lacks precision, diversity and flexibility. i dont think he's capable of delivering delicate drumming like to forgive, set the ray etc for example.

gotta train him? hmmm, start from training...gonna be a long way...see you 10 years later, perhaps....

I think this it's a bit premature to judge the kid's chops, especially from shitty myspace songs. I don't think the tale is going to be told until he gets a few months of SP touring under his belt. It took 4 or 5 months of touring for Matt Walker to get into a groove with the band, but once he did it was awesome. (I still say the band was at its peak live through all 1997, Jimmy or no Jimmy). I'm willing to give Byrne that much time.

Heck, even Jimmy wasn't a drumming god right out of the box. Maybe it's just me, but when I listen to pre-Gish stuff, I usually don't hear a lot of the greatness that was to come later.

Martyr
06-15-2009, 04:48 AM
Imagine it was a 19 year old girl he hired to play bass.

I think people might have paid more attention to age then.

Martyr
06-15-2009, 04:50 AM
Heck, even Jimmy wasn't a drumming god right out of the box.


depends what you consider to be "the box".

I would start with their first record personally.

And on Gish JC is pretty fucking good.

Corganist
06-15-2009, 05:32 AM
depends what you consider to be "the box".

I would start with their first record personally.

And on Gish JC is pretty fucking good.

I agree that by the time Gish came around JC had become JC. I was referring more to the 88-89 era. He was always very good, but I don't think his drumming really stood out in the early days nearly as much as it did from Gish onward.

Martyr
06-15-2009, 06:20 AM
I agree that by the time Gish came around JC had become JC. I was referring more to the 88-89 era. He was always very good, but I don't think his drumming really stood out in the early days nearly as much as it did from Gish onward.


If Jimmy could have done a fucking youtube video of just him playing by himself back in 1988 he'd make this kid his bitch.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-15-2009, 06:35 AM
ooo-hoo the years byrne

.

Reyngel
06-15-2009, 12:32 PM
I don't understand all the shit people are talking about this guy's skill.

If he was actually 35 years old, no one would be saying anything. I think a lot of people are letting his age warp their measurement of his talent.

He's no Jimmy. But then again, few are. We've been spoiled for so long having one of the best drummers of all time. We can't expect this guy to play Geek USA perfect if we can't expect anyone else too, either.

I think we should wait until we have a better way of judging his skill. The samples we've heard so far are nothing like what he's going to be used for.

The only thing I think is stupid is that he is way too young in terms of having an appropriate dynamic or relationship with Billy. Remember that interview where Billy and Jimmy were discussing the method in which they chose Ginger and Jeff? They said that it wasn't about skill so much as if they were people that they could be friends with, talk to, tour with. Jimmy even made a point about wanting to know what books they were reading. This 19 year old kid is a completely different phase of his life. There's no way he's going to be able to relate to Billy and Jeff.

slunken
06-15-2009, 03:23 PM
maybe billy wants to get inside that 19 yr olds head so he can try and relate to that generation w/ the new music. i mean, that's been his game-plan for a while now...

RenewRevive
06-15-2009, 09:27 PM
I agree that by the time Gish came around JC had become JC.

who was he before?

Reyngel
06-15-2009, 09:41 PM
maybe billy wants to get inside that 19 yr olds head so he can try and relate to that generation w/ the new music. i mean, that's been his game-plan for a while now...



Is THAT what his game plane has been?

I don't think even Billy himself knows what his game plan has been.

Hypocaust
06-16-2009, 12:03 AM
If Jimmy could have done a fucking youtube video of just him playing by himself back in 1988 he'd make this kid his bitch.

http://thepulsechicago.homestead.com/files/Daver-Secret_Life.wmv

Martyr
06-16-2009, 06:30 AM
http://thepulsechicago.homestead.com/files/Daver-Secret_Life.wmv



ha ha that's great.

jimmy drevpile
06-16-2009, 01:18 PM
lol - good stuff

amoergosum
06-16-2009, 04:02 PM
Why are you guys complaining about his age?
Miles Davis hired Tony Williams when he was 17 years old....that band turned out to be
legendary...:)
>>>
YouTube - Miles and Tony Williams 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3FpC6mcb-w)
YouTube - Miles Davis - Herbie Hancock - Wayne Shorter - Ron Carter - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_whk6m67VE)

mrlvx
06-16-2009, 04:45 PM
where´s jimmy?, I don't care about this spshit. lol

slunken
06-16-2009, 05:09 PM
Is THAT what his game plane has been?

I don't think even Billy himself knows what his game plan has been.

well the whole tour fiasco etc etc basically boiled down to billy wanting to attract the new, younger fan-base. what better way than to get one of "t**** in your own camp? instead of thinking "what sort of a drum part would i like to go here" it can become "hey i bet the young generation will like this shit ". that aside, i do see your point lol.

Martyr
06-17-2009, 04:35 AM
Why are you guys complaining about his age?
Miles Davis hired Tony Williams when he was 17 years old....that band turned out to be
legendary...:)
>>>
YouTube - Miles and Tony Williams 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3FpC6mcb-w)
YouTube - Miles Davis - Herbie Hancock - Wayne Shorter - Ron Carter - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_whk6m67VE)


Thanks for that, Mike Byrne.

topleybird
06-17-2009, 10:18 AM
I am really not getting the "he will attract a younger audience" thing

It's still a bald screechy man in his 40s in the limelight; unless Mike is the star of all their videos henceforth I just don't see how he'd get enough exposure for anyone to notice, much less care

Who exactly chooses their music based on the age of the musicians involved

Cool As Ice Cream
06-17-2009, 10:29 AM
i also think that's a completely worthless theory.

slunken, you're fired.

Martyr
06-17-2009, 10:57 AM
Who exactly chooses their music based on the age of the musicians involved


A vast majority of records sold are sold to people who identify with the artist, age being a clear factor.

Maybe nobody consciously "chooses their music" like this but it happens.


Young people buy young people's records be it Miley Cyrus, The Beatles or whoever. Kids generally don't buy music made by people as old as their parents (don't bother pointing out exceptions to this).


This is absolutely a stunt to give the pumpkins a younger image. It ties in with popular culture completely. "Kid joins rock band" is the stuff of reality TV.


The guy goes on and on about the lacking musical ability of James & D'arcy and when he has an opportunity to do something about it and surround himself real musicians, he hires puppets who fit the James/D'arcy profile perfectly.

He is taking the piss by replacing Jimmy Chamberlin with this guy though and I can't understand how anybody who has lived and died with this band for all these years doesn't get that.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-17-2009, 11:41 AM
he's been taking the piss for quite a while now, don't you think?

slunken
06-17-2009, 11:59 AM
i also think that's a completely worthless theory.

slunken, you're fired.

i would LOVE to believe that this is all some weird coincidence but the facts are there, blaring/glaring/whatever. sure, maybe it's not a "stunt" per se, but Billy definitely knew what he was doing by hiring this kid. i just think his reasoning prolly has something to do with the fact that he wants to be interesting/relevant to the generation that is approximately mike byrne's age (coincidence?). i'm not saying billy's motives are completely nefarious regarding this but the decision is highly questionable (to say the least).

not to mention a lot of the stuff martyr said.
and i bet billy got this idea from those yah-ho-wah guys...

Martyr
06-17-2009, 12:01 PM
he's been taking the piss for quite a while now, don't you think?


this is definitely a new low.

topleybird
06-17-2009, 01:09 PM
Young people buy young people's records be it Miley Cyrus, The Beatles or whoever. Kids generally don't buy music made by people as old as their parents (don't bother pointing out exceptions to this).

That's exactly my point. The music being made by people as old as kids' parents IS the Pumpkins. Because the "people" making it, the "people" they will identify with, is just Billy. Mike is one kid at the back of the stage. Neil Young backed by the Kidz Bop chorus is not going to endear him to the 3-to-6 year old demographic.

Hiring this kid may get him a write up in Tiger Beat or whatever but at the end of the day, any kid checking out Pumpkins music as a result is not likely to go "Man, this creepy old guy singing is freaking me out, and his style of music is completely alien to me and the poppy bands I and my peers listen to, but check out the drumming from that hot guy Mike OMG swooooooooooooooon purchase purchase purchase."

Put it this way: How many hardcore Pumpkins fans who would have loved to see James back with the band have gone on to purchase the, whatsit, Tinted Windows album?

slunken
06-17-2009, 01:37 PM
Neil Young backed by the Kidz Bop chorus is not going to endear him to the 3-to-6 year old demographic.

i think it would, but it depends on why he had the backup chorus of kids. i mean, pink floyd had children singing on their albums but that didn't make them a kids band. now if they allowed a bunch of kids to re-sing pre-existing work, then it would. because why would you do that to begin with? to make your material more accessible to a different audience.

Put it this way: How many hardcore Pumpkins fans who would have loved to see James back with the band have gone on to purchase the, whatsit, Tinted Windows album?

a lot. same with cheap trick fans and fountains of wayne fans.

i just find it hard to believe this kid got hired solely based on "chops" and "overall attitude".

ifuktyourmom
06-17-2009, 01:42 PM
Perhaps this is an unorthodox point of view, but has anyone actually considered the possibility that this kid just played an incredible audition and got the gig because he was the best? Is it even conceivable to think that there may be no angle here? I realize this statement borders on heresy, but we must explore the extremes before we can understand the whole.

hcueva
06-17-2009, 03:12 PM
Perhaps this is an unorthodox point of view, but has anyone actually considered the possibility that this kid just played an incredible audition and got the gig because he was the best? Is it even conceivable to think that there may be no angle here? I realize this statement borders on heresy, but we must explore the extremes before we can understand the whole.

Let us explore the possibility that Billy choosing 4 female bassists in a row is a coincidence and that "there is no angle here". Also the two Asians imply "no angle"...

...come on, wake up, mate. This jackass has always been about the image.

And the fact that the Bam Bam fiasco won't work (which I'm sure it won't) doesn't mean that stupid Billy didn't do it thinking it would. He's just a terrible business man, that's all.

ifuktyourmom
06-17-2009, 03:28 PM
Let us explore the possibility that Billy choosing 4 female bassists in a row is a coincidence and that "there is no angle here". Also the two Asians imply "no angle"...

...come on, wake up, mate. This jackass has always been about the image.

And the fact that the Bam Bam fiasco won't work (which I'm sure it won't) doesn't mean that stupid Billy didn't do it thinking it would. He's just a terrible business man, that's all.
I can understand your position. I just don't how good a 19 year old inexperienced drummer is for image. Your analogy doesn't directly apply here. If it did, Bill would have hired a middle aged heroin addict, amirite? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the sonofabitch, just exploring the possibilities.

topleybird
06-17-2009, 04:44 PM
i mean, pink floyd had children singing on their albums but that didn't make them a kids band. now if they allowed a bunch of kids to re-sing pre-existing work, then it would.

And you're saying this new Pumpkins lineup more closely resembles the latter example than the former? Mike playing the drums for Geek USA or whatever is going to be more approachable to kids than the original Geek USA recording?

a lot. same with cheap trick fans and fountains of wayne fans.

Well, I suppose this is impossible to back up, unless someone was doing some kind of exit poll on the release date. I'm just going on a sample of one here (i.e., me). And it wasn't the greatest analogy. :( Maybe "If someone your age became a backing member of a band you'd previously never had an interest in, possibly because of the fact that they're much older than you are, would you give them a try?" For me the answer is absolutely not. I guess we will see how da yout in America feel about it.

Corganist
06-17-2009, 04:54 PM
Let us explore the possibility that Billy choosing 4 female bassists in a row is a coincidence and that "there is no angle here". Also the two Asians imply "no angle"...

...come on, wake up, mate. This jackass has always been about the image.

The female bassist thing I think is an "angle," but it's one having more to do with band dynamics than image. I think Billy thinks a band just works better with a female presence there. I don't think it's a deal where he says "we need eye candy on stage."

And the idea that he picked Jeff because he was asian is ridiculous on its face. Always has been. Obviously he's worked out great thus far. He plays well, and he gets along with Billy. If anything, it would have been worse for Billy to refrain from picking him because he's asian just to avoid the lame ass "fake James" comments.

As for the drumming situation. The "image" of the Smashing Pumpkins has always been to have someone behind the kit who can play well, regardless of how hip and cool they are. After all, where would Kenny Aronoff fit into this "Billy chooses members of the band based on image" theory? That guy was almost 20 years older than everyone else in the band when he was in SP, and he looked like a giant dork. Until I'm proven wrong, I'm going to be put into the camp that Byrne is in the position he's in because he can play first and foremost. I think his age has nothing to do with it.

Trotskilicious
06-17-2009, 05:19 PM
yeah darcy wasn't eye candy

Gish08
06-17-2009, 08:57 PM
The female bassist thing I think is an "angle," but it's one having more to do with band dynamics than image. I think Billy thinks a band just works better with a female presence there. I don't think it's a deal where he says "we need eye candy on stage."

And the idea that he picked Jeff because he was asian is ridiculous on its face. Always has been. Obviously he's worked out great thus far. He plays well, and he gets along with Billy. If anything, it would have been worse for Billy to refrain from picking him because he's asian just to avoid the lame ass "fake James" comments.

As for the drumming situation. The "image" of the Smashing Pumpkins has always been to have someone behind the kit who can play well, regardless of how hip and cool they are. After all, where would Kenny Aronoff fit into this "Billy chooses members of the band based on image" theory? That guy was almost 20 years older than everyone else in the band when he was in SP, and he looked like a giant dork. Until I'm proven wrong, I'm going to be put into the camp that Byrne is in the position he's in because he can play first and foremost. I think his age has nothing to do with it.
Hey, I've seen this kind of damage control before (defending the GOP). Except now you make your pitiful approach to reasoning so very obvious because it's about a much simpler matter that anyone who isn't a jackass can figure out.

Jeff is a great addition to the band, but the fact that he's also Asian is very odd.

Ginger is pure image, though. Don't even try to tell me otherwise. It was gonna be Eric Avery and they booted him because he couldn't "keep up" with the almighty SP, apparently. Yeah, ok, the bassist for Jane's Addiction can't keep up with D'Arcy's basslines. Right. I'll give her credit, Ginger has definitely proven herself and she is talented, but the primary motive behind her selection was image. Pure and simple.

Gish08
06-17-2009, 09:03 PM
Oh, and fuck Pumpkins Media Militia. It's like state-run media. Absolutely disgusting.

Gish08
06-17-2009, 09:47 PM
I hope the Pumpkins get booed to death during Mike Byrne's first show. Fuck this kid and fuck Billy for pissing Jimmy off.

Corganist
06-17-2009, 10:23 PM
Hey, I've seen this kind of damage control before (defending the GOP). Except now you make your pitiful approach to reasoning so very obvious because it's about a much simpler matter that anyone who isn't a jackass can figure out.

:rolleyes:


Jeff is a great addition to the band, but the fact that he's also Asian is very odd.

It would be if he couldn't play.

Ginger is pure image, though. Don't even try to tell me otherwise. It was gonna be Eric Avery and they booted him because he couldn't "keep up" with the almighty SP, apparently. Yeah, ok, the bassist for Jane's Addiction can't keep up with D'Arcy's basslines. Right. I'll give her credit, Ginger has definitely proven herself and she is talented, but the primary motive behind her selection was image. Pure and simple.

So if Billy was choosing the bass player solely on image, then why was Eric Avery ever even in the running? Did he somehow manage to conceal the fact that he was not a chick for some amount of time? (And you call my reasoning pitiful?) Like I said, Ginger may have had an advantage in getting hired because she is a female. There's no denying that. But there's no reason to jump to this cynical image-obsessed nonsense.

Corganist
06-17-2009, 10:26 PM
http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/assets_c/2008/12/SmashingPumpkinsTN002-thumb-480x723.jpg

What an overly image-conscious rock star desperately trying to appeal to young fans looks like, according to this thread.

Forgotten Child
06-17-2009, 11:38 PM
“Billy told me that he actually didn’t want a girl for the gig,” says Ginger Reyes

wHATcOLOR
06-18-2009, 12:50 AM
http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/assets_c/2008/12/SmashingPumpkinsTN002-thumb-480x723.jpg

What an overly image-conscious rock star desperately trying to appeal to young fans looks like, according to this thread.

i don't think anyone said he's been consistent with his approaches and whims

Hypocaust
06-18-2009, 07:37 PM
“Billy told me that he actually didn’t want a girl for the gig,” says Ginger Reyes

This is correct.

slunken
06-19-2009, 01:22 PM
“Billy told me that he actually didn’t want a girl for the gig,” says Ginger Reyes

yea, and ginger walks away thinking "wow, i must be really really good" "that billy corgan is something else" "so genuine" "he really follows his heart" and has no clue that she is now putty in his hands. dudes have been mindfucking girls like that for centuries.

topleybird
06-19-2009, 01:24 PM
This is correct.

I can also confirm this is the case. And if anyone else would like to write out some inside knowledge, real or fake, I will also happily, mysteriously confirm that.

The Omega Concern
06-19-2009, 01:36 PM
Isn't it also true that Eric Avery vibed out what Jimmy Chamberlin eventually figured out; it wasn't worth it.

beyond that, Billy's put himself in a tough spot somewhat. Im less concerned about someones age, however, these times call for wisdom from someone like Billy, who used to be a leader and voice of his generation. If the whole 'he's gonna charge extra for shows to weed out the untrue fans' is accurate, then the youth he's surrounded himself with doesn't have the moxy to stand up to his foolishness and ignorance and...it's like a rudderless ship as a result.

For a guy who got a scholarship offer for academics, he's way off the beaten path of showing a political and cultural awareness you'd figure a successful 40-something would have at this stage in life; but if he's plucking bright eyed teenagers to rock out with, good luck with it.

Gish08
06-21-2009, 10:31 PM
i don't think anyone said he's been consistent with his approaches and whims
Precisely.

Although sometimes I think he feels that being super artsy-fartsy in how he dresses himself will eventually do him some good. Maybe all he needs is a teenager behind the drums. Yeah...

Kahlo
06-22-2009, 02:01 AM
I want a "Bam Bam" crowd chant from the 3 people who will be going to SP concerts in future. Someone hunt down Davin and Monte for me.

Starla
06-22-2009, 03:56 AM
whatever happened to Tila's baby?

Mo
06-22-2009, 04:11 AM
Oh Lord, she was pregnant? :erm:

Musica
06-22-2009, 04:22 AM
whatever happened to Tila's baby?
Wasn't that her another publicity stunt like she had cried like a baby she gonna kill herself?

topleybird
06-22-2009, 09:37 AM
You've seen a baby threaten to kill itself?

hnibos
06-22-2009, 10:11 AM
eric avery didnt join because he didnt want to tour and probably didnt want to play shitty 7 shades of black every night

samuel redman
06-22-2009, 01:19 PM
hey

Musica
06-22-2009, 11:49 PM
You've seen a A threaten to kill itself?
Haha. Sorry, I think my explanation was bad.
She has been posted like, 'she's gonna kill herself' 'she is dating with a A-list celeb' 'she got pregnant' bla bla... everytime she deleted it quickly later and said its a joke, someone hacked her account, or her alter ego posted it, bla bla bla... so it seems all of those stuff are her publicity stunt, and I think overall it works for her to get money.

slunken
06-23-2009, 01:26 AM
and I think overall it works for her to get attention.

fixed

c_wilson
06-23-2009, 03:30 PM
I hope A get booed to death during Mike Byrne's first show. A this kid and fuck Billy for pissing Jimmy off.



WELL I HOPE: pricks like YOU dont show up at the new pumpkin shows later to do all that "booing" you speak of.. Anyone on this board that knows shit about musicianship knows that Mike Byrne is a fucking excellent drummer and WAAY beyond his years in talent and diversity.

Dont knock this kid just cuz he's 19. Who gives a fuck? He is being given the chance of a lifetime to play with a very successful rockband since the 90's, so while you guys are all sitting at home on this stupid message board playing guitar hero and whining- THAT motherfucker is jamming and practicing non-stop with Billy Corgan..

I dont know why the fuck you idiots think that Billy is trying to "piss poor ol' Jimmy" off when there is no bad blood whatsoever. I assure you that they will still make music together as friends AND musicians wether it be for a movie soundtracks or other bands..

You people on here are worse than british fucking tabloids with all the stupid rumors and assumptions. We wont always all agree on everything Billy does or says in his dumb little Twitter posts but the whole reason we even have user accounts on this fucking website is because WE KNOW that Billy is at least a great song writer and musician right???

Why assume that Billy and Jimmy just had an "arguement" of some kind and that he left the band?? After everything they have been through together I would say they are most likely much more mature and stronger as friends..

My opinion is that I would have liked to have seen Matt Walker step into Jimmy's shoes and progress with the Smashing Pumpkins but Matt is currently busy with the MDR project. Aside from that, Mike Byrne is an excellent drummer and I think after he jams with Billy for awhile he will only get better! Good luck to em, and I'm sure as hell happy for him! :)

Kahlo
06-23-2009, 03:31 PM
tl;dr

paranoid
06-23-2009, 03:46 PM
WELL I HOPE: pricks like YOU dont show up at the new pumpkin shows later to do all that "booing" you speak of.. Anyone on this board that knows shit about musicianship knows that Mike Byrne is a fucking excellent drummer and WAAY beyond his years in talent and diversity.

:)

problem with this argument is that he really isn't that excellent of a drummer. I know a handful of 19-25 year olds that i've gone to school/gigged with who are much stronger musicians than this kid.

go to that if all goes wrong DVD and watch the performances of BSBT, Superchrist, Gossamer.. watch jimmy close. and i mean CLOSE. play attention to his musician ship, he detailed and fine tuned ear to playing the perfect parts at the perfect moments. he's the only thing that gave the new SP any sort of musical legitimacy (later on, say aorund august 08, the rest of the band really started to gel together).. yeah mike byrne, good fucking luck dude.

hell even that terrible band someone posted a few posts up w/ jimmy drumming in his early 20's show's more promise and development than this kid possesses. jimmy already had that musical flare going that made him such a great asset to fantastic songwriting. this kid? listen to this band: The Mercury Tree on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads (http://www.myspace.com/mercurytree)

sure, he's not a bad drummer, he's pretty good, but good for a standard 20 year old rock drummer. nothing in his drumming propelled the tunes to that next level. that was jimmy's strong point, and there are very FEW drummers like him.

and my other beef? the kid's playing takes after jimmy, you can hear it all over. so billy wanted to hire an imitation jimmy to try and capture that 'sound' that made SP a hit. uh.. what happened to the idea of creating something new and different? why not pick a drummer who was the complete OPPOSITE of jimmy as far as playing approach is concerned? all i can hear coming from the new SP, given their track record of released material in the past year, and seeing how this kid plays, is cheap ass rock.

but ive gone to far with this.. now im making assumptions that could potentially be proven wrong, but i still stand by my opinion that this kid lacks musicianship on the level of a band who has developed it's sound over the past 20 years, thanks in large part to an incredibly talented drummer/musician.

we are going to hear a huge, huge difference in his absence, no question about it.

slunken
06-23-2009, 04:23 PM
WELL I HOPE: pricks like YOU dont show up at the new pumpkin shows later to do all that "booing" you speak of..



please stop talking. i really don't see the pumpkins to tour out of the stables for another couple years anyway and by that time we'll have an entirely new lineup. hell, darcy and jimmy will prolly be back by then.

croPUMPKINS
06-23-2009, 05:20 PM
please stop talking. i really don't see the A to tour out of the stables for another couple years anyway and by that time we'll have an entirely new lineup. hell, darcy and jimmy will prolly be back by then.

I agree... when Jimmy left I started a similar thread saying that but it got ruined by idiots...

Jimmy has gonne through much too much with Billy to leave just like that after so many great gigs 07-08, true, only they know the reason behind the departure, but my guess it ain't so bad that it can't be ironed out in a year or two.

perhaps it is because he simply had too much of of Bill and needed a break.

honestly, who can play Gossamer, USA or SC after Jimmy???

Hypocaust
06-23-2009, 05:24 PM
With c_wilson + croPUMPKINS contributing, this thread is bound to go places!

redbull
06-23-2009, 05:48 PM
I agree... when Jimmy left I started a similar thread saying that but it got ruined by idiots...

Jimmy has gonne through much too much with Billy to leave just like that after so many great gigs 07-08, true, only they know the reason behind the departure, but my guess it ain't so bad that it can't be ironed out in a year or two.

perhaps it is because he simply had too much of of Bill and needed a break.

honestly, who can play Gossamer, USA or SC after Jimmy???

hopefully they'll never play United States or Superchrist again

slunken
06-23-2009, 06:42 PM
well you know if mikey does get to play live then they'll finally bust out geek usa.

Slurpee
06-23-2009, 11:29 PM
hopefully they'll never play United States or Superchrist again

:love:

pyrocus
06-24-2009, 11:41 PM
There is absolutely no way that I can go back to liking this band now that Chamberlin is gone. Billy and Jimmy TOGETHER are the Smashing Pumpkins; not Billy himself. The songwriting will suffer because the powerful and passionate percussion dynamic is not present anymore. Byrne may be good, just he's just not good enough (or seasoned enough) to replace Chamberlin.

stumpycat
06-25-2009, 12:01 AM
C Wilson is such a tool.
He didn't even know who in the hell this kid was until a couple of weeks ago and now, just because of his association with SP, he has all of the sudden become one of the most hot shit drummers in the music world...

slunken
06-25-2009, 12:10 AM
my only problem is that such a big deal shouldn't have been made about it. if they were going on tour and announcing this kid is the new touring drummer - sure. but that's not the case. was there a big hullabaloo about who was playing drums during the recording sessions of adore? kinda but certainly not like this (another reason why current media fascination is bull). if this kid is just there to record that's fine i don't give a fuck. i don't have to look at him and technically his drums can be cut up and sampled into infinity. by the time they tour - which is hopefully a long way away (but then again its not unlike billy to tour with only a couple new songs under his belt) - hopefully they realize it's not going to cut the mustard and will recruit an arsenal of drummers. i personally loved the adore-era percussion. not to mention kenny aranoff is a lolfest.

Rairun
06-25-2009, 12:29 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9058/meandmikeko3.jpg

Corganist
06-25-2009, 12:34 AM
my only problem is that such a big deal shouldn't have been made about it. if they were going on tour and announcing this kid is the new touring drummer - sure. but that's not the case. was there a big hullabaloo about who was playing drums during the recording sessions of adore? kinda but certainly not like this (another reason why current media fascination is bull). if this kid is just there to record that's fine i don't give a fuck. i don't have to look at him and technically his drums can be cut up and sampled into infinity. by the time they tour - which is hopefully a long way away (but then again its not unlike billy to tour with only a couple new songs under his belt) - hopefully they realize it's not going to cut the mustard and will recruit an arsenal of drummers.

Why don't we at least wait until we've heard the kid drum on an SP song before we decide he can't cut the mustard? I don't understand the venom here. Yes, the kid is not Jimmy Chamberlin. There's not another Jimmy Chamberlin. There's not anybody even close. But Billy has done just fine with other drummers in the past.
If Byrne has no chops and no chemistry with the band after a couple months worth of shows, then sure, judge away. But no one's got anything to go on right now that says Byrne can't be a perfectly fine drummer for this band, live or otherwise.

Actually, I'd just as soon have Billy get this new incarnation of the band on the road ASAP.

i personally loved the adore-era percussion. not to mention kenny aranoff is a lolfest.

The Adore-era live setup was overrated and did more to highlight Jimmy's absence than it did to make up for it.

slunken
06-25-2009, 01:04 AM
because, as history of the band has shown, who the band members are and what happens in the studio are two entirely different things. so did he hire this kid to record or did he hire the kid to tour? if he was hired to tour i think they shot the gun too soon because i really don't think they're (or at least they better not be) anywhere close to touring.

edit: see now i'd call the JCC over-rated but adore-era live was pretty special/magical/cool. at least IMO. i don't think they were trying to "make up for it" but embrace the fact that he's not there and use that opportunity to do something special.

also i agree my part about "not cutting the mustard" was highly speculative

davin
06-25-2009, 02:45 AM
I want a "Bam Bam" crowd chant from the 3 people who will be going to SP concerts in future. Someone hunt down Davin and Monte for me.

would you prefer the creepy old molestor in the back, like Tinted Windows?

srsly, i don't really give a fuck who is on that stool as long as they can play. they're never gonna come close to JC in skill or musical relationship with billy, so whatever. no use comparing.

what strikes me as odd is how most media outlets made a bigger deal about james and darcy, compared to jimmy leaving. maybe because SP lineup bitching is was so 2007. but then again, most casual fans seem to site the MCIS tour as the band's best, despite the SHORT setlists and lack of JC....so I'm not quite sure. dude is severely underappreciated and i'm sure that contributed to one of the reasons he left. i mean, he gave the studio performance of his life on Z, and no one really cared. anyway, point is, i don't sense people see this as that big of a deal...other than the whole band name thing.

so while it fucking kills me to lose JC all over again, all i can do is be glad BC is actually looking for drummers regardess of shape or size or age....cuz i prefer that to him looking into synth alternatives instead.

davin
06-25-2009, 02:45 AM
Isn't it also true that Eric Avery vibed out what Jimmy Chamberlin eventually figured out; it wasn't worth it.

no.

c_wilson
06-25-2009, 02:19 PM
C Wilson is such a tool.
He didn't even know who in the hell this kid was until a couple of weeks ago and now, just because of his association with SP, he has all of the sudden become one of the most hot shit drummers in the music world...


I never said he was the most hotshit drummer in the music you dumb fuck, i just said from what I had seen he was an excellent drummer especially for his age, and SURELY of all the drummers that Billy knows, this kid must have some sort of sparkle in Billys eyes that would make him even consider him. But I'm sure the only guitars or drums you know about are the playstation ones for all those stupid fucking video games so what would you know anyway?

I even ended my statement with my own opinion that I had wished Matt Walker would have just taken Jimmy's place. The experience was already there, and Matt sounded the best with Billy during the MCIS tour AND the Future Embrace tour..

Why does this kids age even have to be an issue? Why has my profile picture been photoshoped by countless graphic design drop-outs who have nothing intelligent or positive to reply with??

Who the fuck knows but I hope this kid blows all our minds and I'll remind you assholes once more, that while YOU are at home bitching and whining about Corgan's twitter posts and talking shit about the drummer, THAT lucky son of a bitch is jamming with Billy and playing all the songs WE love..None of you fucks on here that are bitching about Mike Byrne know shit about musicianship. . Sure he's not the best, but I have a good feeling that after getting comfortable with everyone he will achieve alot of props..

slunken
06-25-2009, 02:28 PM
wait for it...

Kahlo
06-25-2009, 02:43 PM
c_wilson is a fucking tool and I wish he would stop posting...and die.

slunken
06-25-2009, 02:43 PM
poom!

redbull
06-25-2009, 02:46 PM
adore percussion roolz
doesn't hurt that billy's voice and the guitars and the setlists were pretty excellent throughout that tour

stumpycat
06-25-2009, 07:46 PM
I never said he was the most hotshit drummer in the music you dumb fuck, i just said from what I had seen he was an excellent drummer especially for his age, and SURELY of all the drummers that Billy knows, this kid must have some sort of sparkle in Billys eyes that would make him even consider him. But I'm sure the only guitars or drums you know about are the playstation ones for all those stupid fucking video games so what would you know anyway?


Why does this kids age even have to be an issue? Why has my profile picture been photoshoped by countless graphic design drop-outs who have nothing intelligent or positive to reply with??



THIS was what I was reacting against:

Anyone on this board that knows shit about musicianship knows that Mike Byrne is a fucking excellent drummer and WAAY beyond his years in talent and diversity.

The statement your are making here makes it sound as if you've heard this guy interact with a band, played in the context of different styles and genres, etc. Have you? Playing in a drum-off sponsored by your local Guitar Center cannot possibly evidence this. As others have mentioned already, you can find plenty of these people who are "really good" at playing their respective instruments, probably in your local music scene. How amazing he is--compared to all the other young professional drummers out there--is all relative.

My problem isn't really with Mike Byrne...I know fuck all about him except for those youtube clips. It's more of the suspicion created by the circumstances that 42 year old rock veteran would pick a very inexperienced 19 year old for such a position surely better suited to peers of similar musical maturity (not the same thing as technical skill) and experience. Aside from Billy, Jimmy was almost certainly the most musically experienced, skilled and technically proficient (not to mention oldest) member of the band. It's easy to see why this choice looks a bit strange. It's almost as if Billy either doesn't want or couldn't get one of his actual peers in music to join him.

And yeah you must be trying to assert your fan LEETness or superiority of age or something with the cheap Guitar Hero remark...considering that I own real instruments but have never graced a virtual fretboard (nor do I desire to ever do so) in my life. Are you going to try and insist that I was still in diapers when SP1 was around next?

redbull
06-25-2009, 07:51 PM
HAVE YOU SEEN MY PAINTING

slunken
06-25-2009, 10:33 PM
no. pics?

c_wilson
06-26-2009, 11:55 AM
Kahlo, go fuck a goat and then stick your dick in your moms mouth. As if you know fuck about anything.. if i didn't have a life i just might sit around and photoshop stupid bullshit on your profile pic but it looks bad enough as it sits.

c_wilson
06-26-2009, 11:55 AM
THIS was what I was reacting against:

The statement your are making here makes it sound as if you've heard this guy interact with a band, played in the context of different styles and genres, etc. Have you? Playing in a drum-off sponsored by your local Guitar Center cannot possibly evidence this. As others have mentioned already, you can find plenty of these people who are "really good" at playing their respective instruments, probably in your local music scene. How amazing he is--compared to all the other young professional drummers out there--is all relative.

My problem isn't really with Mike Byrne...I know fuck all about him except for those youtube clips. It's more of the suspicion created by the circumstances that 42 year old rock veteran would pick a very inexperienced 19 year old for such a position surely better suited to peers of similar musical maturity (not the same thing as technical skill) and experience. Aside from Billy, Jimmy was almost certainly the most musically experienced, skilled and technically proficient (not to mention oldest) member of the band. It's easy to see why this choice looks a bit strange. It's almost as if Billy either doesn't want or couldn't get one of his actual peers in music to join him.

And yeah you must be trying to assert your fan LEETness or superiority of age or something with the cheap Guitar Hero remark...considering that I own real instruments but have never graced a virtual fretboard (nor do I desire to ever do so) in my life. Are you going to try and insist that I was still in diapers when SP1 was around next?


Hey sorry, I fell asleep reading your bullshit response. The whole point of getting a new drummer is making a new sound for the band and the songs he is putting together. And no, I'm not sitting here acting as tho I'm an ancient pumpkins fan because I really could give a fuck less how "old" you think I am. If you have "real" instruments then good for you. Learn how to play them so you can recognize good talent. Mike Byrne = excellent drummer. (also cheap labor! lol!) :banging:

killtrocity
06-26-2009, 12:02 PM
hey dummy ^! your mom has a comb over! in hell

go eat a chesesburger but take off the lettuce and put some mustard on it instead

Cool As Ice Cream
06-26-2009, 01:52 PM
I'll remind you assholes once more, that while YOU are at home bitching and whining about Corgan's twitter posts and talking shit about the drummer, THAT lucky son of a bitch is jamming with Billy and playing all the songs WE love.

c_wilson is jealous.
"omg, i'm so jealous. please be my friend. i'll love you instead. blowjob?"

Mo
06-26-2009, 02:12 PM
Can we ban that guy?

Cool As Ice Cream
06-26-2009, 07:26 PM
fap fap fap fap fap

stumpycat
06-27-2009, 01:32 AM
Hey sorry, I fell asleep reading your bullshit response. The whole point of getting a new drummer is making a new sound for the band and the songs he is putting together. And no, I'm not sitting here acting as tho I'm an ancient pumpkins fan because I really could give a fuck less how "old" you think I am. If you have "real" instruments then good for you. Learn how to play them so you can recognize good talent. Mike Byrne = excellent drummer. (also cheap labor! lol!) :banging:

Wow I can really tell you didn't read my response. I didn't say he didn't have "talent,' I said he is probably lacking richness of experience and musical maturity. And, BTW, I fully expect you are a musician yourself as this seems to be your criteria for whether or not one is qualified to recognize good talent.

slunken
06-27-2009, 02:33 AM
part of me wants to believe c_wilson is troll of the year. but then again part of me is drunk.

Kahlo
06-27-2009, 03:47 AM
Kahlo, go fuck a goat and then stick your dick in your moms mouth. As if you know fuck about anything.. if i didn't have a life i just might sit around and photoshop stupid bullshit on your profile pic but it looks bad enough as it sits.

Awesome troll. Also don't be knocking my look motherlicker

mercbass
08-19-2009, 12:12 AM
I find it hilarious that there are all these bitter pumpkin fans that are pissed because a 19 year old...a damn gifted 19 year old made it into what apparently was one of your favorite bands or is your favorite band. What I don't get is you can sit here with a couple of youtube videos of Mike drumming and just say "yep, I've seen enough BC is a fuck up this was the straw that broke the camels back I swear I'll never buy another SP album!" A bunch of pathetic, resentful jealous chuckle heads that just wish it was some other celebrity stand in drummer because...what they are already in the business? If you were paying attention Billy auditioned a bunch of famous drummers and guess what??? Those drummers were beat out by a 19 year old (John Dolyman if you were wondering plays a fuck of a lot louder than Mike in reference to these fucking silly Bam Bam posts) I know because I rehearse at the same rehearsal studios Mike does and I recently had the pleasure of working with him on a couple of songs with my band The Mercury Tree; Mikes first band. He is a phenomenal drummer and has devoted his life to music and you're pissed because he is getting the opportunity of a lifetime. Fucking petty, bitter. It really says something about the kind of people that have been posting on this thread about 90% of you. There have been a couple people telling you to give the guy a chance. Do one of you have an audio of video recording of Mike playing with the pumpkins...I thought not.

Wait for September.

Continue being the supportive fans you should be or else why would you be here?

Give him a chance he WILL NOT let The Pumpkins down.

sppunk
08-19-2009, 12:19 AM
Welcome to our Internet community, Mike.

mercbass
08-19-2009, 12:24 AM
Welcome to our Internet community, Mike.

Actually you're speaking with Alan. Thanks.

Monet LSD
08-19-2009, 12:31 AM
chuckleheads

:erm:


your pissed because he is getting the opportunity of a lifetime

You're.

John Dolyman plays a lot loader than Mike

Loader, eh?

Do one of you have an audio of video recording of Mike playing with the pumpkins...I thought not.

TSP: 1988 - 2000.

mercbass
08-19-2009, 01:35 AM
I make some typos and now it's not about my point having validity it's about my incompetence? Weak sir. :nooooo:

Elvis The Fat Years
08-19-2009, 02:23 AM
what's your myspace, mike?

Hypocaust
08-19-2009, 02:40 AM
No, no Mike. The lack of validity stands, however you've reinforced it with poor grammar. Hit up your local community college for a course between tours. I do hope that Corgan is paying you enough for a course or two.
Then again, probably not. I would be happy to help you start up a collection fund. I'm in for 15.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-19-2009, 02:51 AM
Continue being the supportive fans you should be or else why would you be here?

I don't know, man. You seem to be the one out of place here.

I find it quite pretentious of you to start telling who should be here and who shouldn't, in your very first post. Who the hell do you think you are? And where the fuck do you think you are? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. This is Netphoria.

mercbass
08-19-2009, 09:40 AM
So I jump on this forum because a friend of mine is being bad mouthed on these forums and I get nothing but ridiculed. It sounds as if not all of you but a few of you are in denial yourselves. Go ahead and hate, hate, hate. Can you blame me for never posting on this retarded thread? I actually know the guy. You don't want to know the truth so I won't say anything else. So you'll sit there for hours (some of you) and figure out how you gonna get one up on me on some second rate thread I only subscribed to because Mike deserves a chance. That is all.

MisterSquishyHalo
08-19-2009, 09:47 AM
So I jump on this forum because a friend of mine is being bad mouthed on these forums and I get nothing but ridiculed. It sounds as if not all of you but a few of you are in denial yourselves. Go ahead and hate, hate, hate. Can you blame me for never posting on this retarded thread? I actually know the guy. You don't want to know the truth so I won't say anything else. So you'll sit there for hours (some of you) and figure out how you gonna get one up on me on some second rate thread I only subscribed to because Mike deserves a chance. That is all.

:erm:

Luke de Spa
08-19-2009, 09:51 AM
So I jump on this forum because a friend of mine is being bad mouthed on these forums and I get nothing but ridiculed. It sounds as if not all of you but a few of you are in denial yourselves. Go ahead and hate, hate, hate. Can you blame me for never posting on this retarded thread? I actually know the guy. You don't want to know the truth so I won't say anything else. So you'll sit there for hours (some of you) and figure out how you gonna get one up on me on some second rate thread I only subscribed to because Mike deserves a chance. That is all.
poor old mike. give mike a chance.

seriously though, i will. he's probably a swell guy, even if he can't whack a cymbal in time. you know who doesn't get a chance? cheapskate bill corgan

Cool As Ice Cream
08-19-2009, 10:03 AM
ciao, alan.

mercbass
08-19-2009, 10:16 AM
I don't know, man. You seem to be the one out of place here.

I find it quite pretentious of you to start telling who should be here and who shouldn't, in your very first post. Who the hell do you think you are? And where the fuck do you think you are? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. This is Netphoria.

I never at any point told anyone to leave the thread I would love if someone had a legitimate argument so I could better understand where all these posts are coming from about mike not being a good drummer. I've known him for while now and I've been blown away by his ability. I've been playing bass for a good long while now and no I'm not much older than mike (only by two years) but I've played with several different drummers in several different genres and mike is not only one of the best drummers I've played with but he is also one of the most versatile. To stand up and say this kid doesn't deserve a chance after beating out 1000 different unknowns and a handful of already well established names would be coming from biased ignorant point of view.

paranoid
08-19-2009, 10:31 AM
see, this is why BC should have not even considered hiring someone so young.. his teenage fans (possibly him) can only handle criticism as any normal teenanger would, and the fans are left to put up with these ranty posts about how fucking bitter we are.

yes, we're bitter. because the greatest possible drummer possible for this band has left and has been replaced by someone whom we suspect can't cut it.

but that's besides the point. your buddy has entered a group that has been/still is the the target of very harsh criticism. read the latest pitchfork article on this announcement, they rip on his age. he's going to receive a huge load of nasty comments from all over that he's just going to have to deal with, that's part of his profession. and not just from fans.

he's taking on a huge, huge job. even the fans at the completely apologetic fan sites (the ones that consistently praise Billy, no matter what) are scratching their heads over this move. he's just going to have to be prepared for this part of it. I'm sure he'll get praise.

ugh. this is fucking 2005 linda strawberry shit all over again, except it's coming from the drummers chair of this band, the one area of this band that had some fucking dignity and class left. Now we have to put up with this teenage emotional retaliation bullshit?? play some god damn music!

Cool As Ice Cream
08-19-2009, 10:36 AM
I never at any point told anyone to leave the thread
Continue being the supportive fans you should be or else why would you be here?
^ see, this question is weird. like i said, you seem to be the one who's out of place here. most people here don't really care. this isn't really a fan site.

duovamp
08-19-2009, 10:40 AM
chuckle heads

Whoa there, guy, watch the language!

mercbass
08-19-2009, 11:04 AM
see, this is why BC should have not even considered hiring someone so young.. his teenage fans (possibly him) can only handle criticism as any normal teenanger would, and the fans are left to put up with these ranty posts about how fucking bitter we are.

yes, we're bitter. because the greatest possible drummer possible for this band has left and has been replaced by someone whom we suspect can't cut it.

but that's besides the point. your buddy has entered a group that has been/still is the the target of very harsh criticism. read the latest pitchfork article on this announcement, they rip on his age. he's going to receive a huge load of nasty comments from all over that he's just going to have to deal with, that's part of his profession. and not just from fans.

he's taking on a huge, huge job. even the fans at the completely apologetic fan sites (the ones that consistently praise Billy, no matter what) are scratching their heads over this move. he's just going to have to be prepared for this part of it. I'm sure he'll get praise.

ugh. this is fucking 2005 linda strawberry shit all over again, except it's coming from the drummers chair of this band, the one area of this band that had some fucking dignity and class left. Now we have to put up with this teenage emotional retaliation bullshit?? play some god damn music!


No more rants about how you should give him a chance. Which you should because you haven't heard any new pumpkins material yet but that is besides the point. I have nothing more to say but to everyone who has doubts about SP's new drummer remember back to how you literally stuck the proverbial foot in your mouth back when you had no idea what the new sound was going to be like post JC.

paranoid
08-19-2009, 11:14 AM
here's mike playing behind billy:

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here's the man he's replacing, also playing behind billy. this is what SP fans were treated to just this past November.

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get the point?

what do you know about that spirits performance in LA? was mike nervous? was he put on the spot?

maybe it's because it was the first time he was playing the song.

Here's jimmy playing a live take of a song for the first time, circa 1999:

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here's another first time live take circa 1999/2000 (at least in interviews back then they were projecting this was done on first take, after jimmy had only heard the song twice):

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now, if mike can push this band up to this level, i'll gladly put my foot in my mouth.

but good fucking luck.

AaroniusMaximus
08-19-2009, 11:28 AM
I find it hilarious that there are all these bitter pumpkin fans that are pissed because a 19 year old...a damn gifted 19 year old made it into what apparently was one of your favorite bands or is your favorite band. What I don't get is you can sit here with a couple of youtube videos of Mike drumming and just say "yep, I've seen enough BC is a fuck up this was the straw that broke the camels back I swear I'll never buy another SP album!" A bunch of pathetic, resentful jealous chuckle heads that just wish it was some other celebrity stand in drummer..

Wait for September.

Continue being the supportive fans you should be or else why would you be here?

Give him a chance he WILL NOT let The Pumpkins down.


THANK YOU!!!! :banging: :banging: :banging:

Everyone here should just shut the fuck up about Mike Byrne..He IS an excellent drummer and is only warming up getting better prepared by playing these solo dates with Billy coming up..You are right, nobody else here even wants to give the kid a chance before running Byrne AND Corgan in the ground for making such an "irrational" decision.. What you need to keep in mind tho, is that the "90%" you were speaking of- are all just a bunch of fat geeky bloggers and graphic design drop-outs.. Or they are "photographers" or "designers".. They use their skills on a daily basis racking up THOUSANDS of posts on this shit-ass website. :rolleyes:

I point these things out because basically their opinion doesn't mean fuck. Period. These fucktards download all the music they listen to anyway and probably a vast majority dont even go to the concerts so fuck 'em :rolleyes:

I'm glad you posted here 'Mercbass'.. Good for you, for stickin' up for your buddy! I look forward to seeing Mike playing with Billy and I'll support them just like I always have.

But seriously dude, theres no point in arguing with these petty dorky fucks. Just go visit some of their myspace pages and you will see what I mean. They have no lives and their whole day consists on sitting in a cubicle or at home living off mommy and daddys money..

Aaronius Maximus on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads (http://www.myspace.com/aaroniusmaximus08)

McCollum
08-19-2009, 12:06 PM
wait, so you guys still give a shit about the pumpkins making new music? there's really nothing to be optimistic about when it comes to them making new music. All the recent material has blown and the execution in the studio hasn't been there since adore. Time for a new band name don't you think.

ps. i'm not that dense. i know that a lot of people still have the blinders on and the hope that one day billy will turn it all around. good luck with that.

pale_princess
08-19-2009, 04:14 PM
Perez Hilton: Age Doesn't Matter To Billy Corgan (http://perezhilton.com/2009-08-19-age-doesnt-matter-to-billy-corgan#respond)

slow day for perez for him to have to dig this one up, huh

Corganist
08-19-2009, 04:41 PM
I find it hilarious that there are all these bitter pumpkin fans that are pissed because a 19 year old...a damn gifted 19 year old made it into what apparently was one of your favorite bands or is your favorite band. What I don't get is you can sit here with a couple of youtube videos of Mike drumming and just say "yep, I've seen enough BC is a fuck up this was the straw that broke the camels back I swear I'll never buy another SP album!" A bunch of pathetic, resentful jealous chuckle heads that just wish it was some other celebrity stand in drummer because...what they are already in the business? If you were paying attention Billy auditioned a bunch of famous drummers and guess what??? Those drummers were beat out by a 19 year old (John Dolyman if you were wondering plays a fuck of a lot louder than Mike in reference to these fucking silly Bam Bam posts) I know because I rehearse at the same rehearsal studios Mike does and I recently had the pleasure of working with him on a couple of songs with my band The Mercury Tree; Mikes first band. He is a phenomenal drummer and has devoted his life to music and you're pissed because he is getting the opportunity of a lifetime. Fucking petty, bitter. It really says something about the kind of people that have been posting on this thread about 90% of you. There have been a couple people telling you to give the guy a chance. Do one of you have an audio of video recording of Mike playing with the pumpkins...I thought not.

As one of the few on this board who is trying to keep an open mind on the new drummer and trying to temper some of the hysterics of the haters, I can tell you posts like these do not help. No one here is jealous of Mike Byrne. No one here resents him for the opportunity he's gotten. The fact that people are unwilling to give him a chance may be irrational, but it isn't personal. The only thing anyone here cares about is the music, and it's perfectly fair for them to suspect that a 19 year old may not be able to fill Jimmy Chamberlin's shoes (even if they do overstate the size of those shoes now that he's gone).

This idea that people here just want to cut someone down who has gotten a great opportunity is just barking up the wrong tree, especially since it makes it look like you're trying to avoid addressing legitimate concerns. My advice: let your friend's drumming do the arguing for him, because what you're doing isn't going to work.

Vera
08-19-2009, 04:59 PM
Either way Corgan is lost.

Trotskilicious
08-19-2009, 05:35 PM
(even if they do overstate the size of those shoes now that he's gone).

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Mayfuck
08-19-2009, 08:00 PM
mercbass, longtime SP fans on this forum have witnessed a string of poor decisions and terrible PR mismanagement by Billy within the past decade now compounded by the fact that the music in that timespan has become increasing mediocre, so fans like us are reluctant to really give anything new a chance anymore. And while you may think hiring a 19 year old 'prodigy' is a noble risk of credibility, the fact is that to most of us the credibility is already gone and this is just nothing more than a novelty move. He may be good, he may be bad but the music has been dead for a while so we'll just continue spamming on the guy.

reprise85
08-19-2009, 08:40 PM
But seriously dude, theres no point in arguing with these petty dorky fucks. Just go visit some of their myspace pages and you will see what I mean. They have no lives and their whole day consists on sitting in a cubicle or at home living off mommy and daddys money..


del

Dogfighter28
08-19-2009, 09:06 PM
I smell a supergroup.

c_wilson, mike byrne, linda strawberry

the machines of gay

paranoid
08-20-2009, 02:08 AM
adore-era live was pretty special/magical/cool. at least IMO. i don't think they were trying to "make up for it" but embrace the fact that he's not there and use that opportunity to do something special.


this. and this is what i was hoping he'd do with the new material.. but the fact that he's hired someone who tries to sound like jimmy really show's me he's not yet quite ready to move on. he's now branding a full on cheap imitation SP.

redbull
08-20-2009, 02:11 AM
I love the Adore shows...the closest SP ever got to full on prog. PLus that e-bow is awesome, and Transmission is a way better closer than Silverfuck

Cool As Ice Cream
08-20-2009, 03:05 AM
looks like c_wilson is focusing on another drummer to play on his songs. yo, mike, wanna make a quick $15k?

reprise85
08-20-2009, 04:06 AM
and Transmission is a way better closer than Silverfuck

sacrilege!

Vera
08-20-2009, 05:14 AM
I love the Adore shows...the closest SP ever got to full on prog. PLus that e-bow is awesome, and Transmission is a way better closer than Silverfuck

Fuck YEAH!!!!

Mayfuck
08-20-2009, 01:35 PM
and Transmission is a way better closer than Silverfuck

not even remotely true unless we're tlaking about the '96 tour silverfucks

even then...

Caine Walker
08-20-2009, 02:08 PM
most people here don't really care. this isn't really a fan site.

.

mercbass
08-20-2009, 02:40 PM
netphoria...your daily pumpkins fix...this really isn't a fan site? re-hee-heeeeely? I'm enthralled...please tell me more...

samuel redman
08-20-2009, 02:56 PM
i'm rooting for mike, i really am.

Caine Walker
08-20-2009, 03:40 PM
netphoria...your daily pumpkins fix...this really isn't a fan site? re-hee-heeeeely? I'm enthralled...please tell me more...

if you have to ask, you'll never know.

paranoid
08-20-2009, 03:49 PM
...your daily fix...this really isn't a ? re--heeeeely? I'm enthralled...please tell me more...

a fan isn't someone who blindly follows everything their 'idol' does.. otherwise it's bordering o n fanaticism, which is outright creepy.

i've appreciated a lot of what the pumpkins have done for a numerous amount of years.
at the end of the day, i'm ultimately a fan of JC's work, and the endless prodigal work he's played under the pumpkins name. his role is just as important as BC's, ultimately.

and to see him replaced by a musician who seems to have a difficult time even listening to what's going on in his surroundings, in favor of placing some wild fill just for the hell of it, has me appreciating this 'band' a LOT less. it's no longer the SP.

but rather than coming here and chewing us out for our opinions, why don't you tell us the truth, as you claim to have it. tell us about what kind of work mike is doing, what kind of stress he might be under, what kinda of work he is being challenged with. i am extremely curious.. i'd like to know what the process is here. is he learning a lot of the back catalogue, or is he more focused on writing new material with billy? is everything rosey and happy? does he have the confidence to push through this or is he scared shitless? please elaborate rather than coming here and starting an age old debate about how we aren't really 'fans.'

thanks.

paranoid
08-20-2009, 03:52 PM
also, i'd really like to know, is mike in contact with jimmy at all?

Trotskilicious
08-20-2009, 04:39 PM
netphoria...your daily pumpkins fix...this really isn't a fan site? re-hee-heeeeely? I'm enthralled...please tell me more...

probably should read before posting

also that banner hasn't been changed since it was made in 1998 so maybe that gives you some perspective

Cool As Ice Cream
08-20-2009, 04:55 PM
netphoria...your daily pumpkins fix...this really isn't a fan site? re-hee-heeeeely? I'm enthralled...please tell me more...

you don't have to believe me.

weren't you going to leave and never come back?

Trotskilicious
08-20-2009, 04:56 PM
why do they always say that

mercbass
08-20-2009, 05:39 PM
a fan isn't someone who blindly follows everything their 'idol' does.. otherwise it's bordering o n fanaticism, which is outright creepy.

i've appreciated a lot of what the pumpkins have done for a numerous amount of years.
at the end of the day, i'm ultimately a fan of JC's work, and the endless prodigal work he's played under the pumpkins name. his role is just as important as BC's, ultimately.

and to see him replaced by a musician who seems to have a difficult time even listening to what's going on in his surroundings, in favor of placing some wild fill just for the hell of it, has me appreciating this 'band' a LOT less. it's no longer the SP.

but rather than coming here and chewing us out for our opinions, why don't you tell us the truth, as you claim to have it. tell us about what kind of work mike is doing, what kind of stress he might be under, what kinda of work he is being challenged with. i am extremely curious.. i'd like to know what the process is here. is he learning a lot of the back catalogue, or is he more focused on writing new material with billy? is everything rosey and happy? does he have the confidence to push through this or is he scared shitless? please elaborate rather than coming here and starting an age old debate about how we aren't really 'fans.'

thanks.

Paranoid I think first off I should apologize for giving the impression that I believe you are not a fan you're just some d-bag asshole who for every day of his life sits there playing old JC era SP albums wishing it'd be the same as it was. Because as an avid fan of music in general I believe that if a change is for the better...change is for the better. For example for me when Brian Mantia replaced Tim Alexander from Primus in the mid 90's (personally my favorite band) Brian didn't exactly fit into Tim's shoes either...it wasn't an exact fit...but it was the right choice for the music moving on. Brian collaborated on Brown Album and Antipop which were two very well put together albums (Antipop is not very well appreciated by most I for one think it was a genius album aside from dumbfuck Fred Durst producing "Laquer Head" but none the less a good song and a good album. It saw the likes of Buckethead, Fred Durst, James Hetfield, Tom Morello and Tom Waits... bet you weren't expecting that one) not to mention their last two full length albums as a band of course (Tim came back for Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People) were both fantastic works of musicianship. You see for me it wasn't that Brian wasn't a good drummer he just had a very different style in comparison to the likes of Tim. You see you are referencing mike as being someone who doesn't know much about what he is doing; he can't keep a steady beat; if he doesn't know what to do he'll play some kind of out of context drum fill etc etc...as a fellow musician who has played with Mike I know these statements to be false.

So that is all I have to say about that. As far as what Mike is doing right now with the pumpkins and spirits in the sky...Mike is long time fan of the SP so as any other instrument wielding human that has had any formal or informal training knows that to get better you have to learn other peoples material (well, you don't have to but ha I've personally never heard of it) he already knows a lot of the SP material and it honestly isn't BC's main focus right now. Of course I'm not saying Mike is perfect and that if he were to go play a Pumpkins show right this second he would be ready for it but right now Billy is having him focus on the creating process and writing new drum parts to the songs being created. One of the first things I heard from Mike was that he went into the studio to record a song they had written he laid down the track and by the time he had gotten back to record the next day billy had completely rearranged the song and actually ended up doing this a good 3 or 4 times before being satisfied with it. A lot of time is going into the new material and BC is just down right maticulous about his work. This is a good thing. Everything so far sounds super positive and Mike has no problem with the process. I'm used to going to practice and hearing moses, smell the roses through the wall playing 4-5 hours a day m-f. So to speak Mike is not just your weekend warrior "ya I play drums" "really how much do you play?" "uh you know about twice a week if I'm not doing something else that's more fun" kind of person. He has said yes of course it is challenging but he wouldn't change it for the world even though he does have an enormous amount of pressure on him atm. I do believe you are all fans like I said the other day "continue being the supportive fans you are or why else why would you be here?" which I probably could have worded differently as to not piss people off but for fuck sake someone had to derail this bandwagon of uncertainty. Which of course I know I can't convince you with my words like many of you have already said let's wait until there is some material to judge. Be looking forward to September there may just be a track available to listen to then.

redbull
08-20-2009, 05:40 PM
antipop and the brown album are fucking terrible

Trotskilicious
08-20-2009, 05:46 PM
i love these assholes who keep saying change is for the better. when the entire lineup of a band has turned over once in less than a decade i'd say change is for the worse. in fact, this band should have stayed broken up so we don't have to hear FOL on Hyundai commercials.

and you're missing a tremendous point here. you use the drummer of primus as the example, the virtuoso of that band is les claypool. i've never heard anyone tout the extreme excellence of the drummer of Primus. the virtuoso of the pumpkins is jimmy chamberlin. he's not any normal replacable drummer, he's keith moon, he's john bonham. i know you're mikes butt buddy and stuff and i don't really care if he is/isn't a good drummer but to me this is like if Led Zeppelin replaced Jimmy Page. This is like if the Who replaced Robert Townshend. This is like if Metallica kicked Kirk to the curb. THis is like if Guns N Roses got rid of Slash OH WAIT THAT HAPPENED AND IT SUCKS.

when john bonham died zep broke up. that's how it should be.

samuel redman
08-20-2009, 05:52 PM
chinese democracy is the best gnr album though

mercbass
08-20-2009, 06:00 PM
i love these assholes who keep saying change is for the better. when the entire lineup of a band has turned over once in less than a decade i'd say change is for the worse. in fact, this band should have stayed broken up so we don't have to hear FOL on Hyundai commercials.

and you're missing a tremendous point here. you use the drummer of primus as the example, the virtuoso of that band is les claypool. i've never heard anyone tout the extreme excellence of the drummer of Primus. the virtuoso of the A is jimmy chamberlin. he's not any normal replacable drummer, he's keith moon, he's john bonham. i know you're mikes butt buddy and stuff and i don't really care if he is/isn't a A drummer but to me this is like if Led Zeppelin replaced Jimmy Page. This is like if the Who replaced Robert Townshend. This is like if Metallica kicked Kirk to the curb. THis is like if Guns N Roses got rid of Slash OH WAIT THAT HAPPENED AND IT SUCKS.

when john bonham died zep broke up. that's how it should be.

God damn it. First off douchelips I said IF key word IF change is for the better...change is for the better and second yes Les Claypool is the virtuoso in the band yes. But you are forgetting Larry Lalonde apprenticed under Joe Satriani...and Tim Alexander has worked with the likes of Blue Man Group and A Perfect Circle and when Tim left no it wasn't exactly the same but it was still the bees knees. Les does also happen to be the frontman as well which only makes his bass playing look even more phenomenal. Funny you guys mentioned GNR Mantia drummed for them for a short period of time lol

mercbass
08-20-2009, 06:05 PM
antipop and the brown album are A terrible

you my friend are entitled to your shitty opinion.

Caine Walker
08-20-2009, 06:21 PM
for fuck sake someone had to derail this bandwagon of uncertainty.

it's not gonna be you, chief.

redbull
08-20-2009, 06:23 PM
God damn it. First off douchelips I said IF key word IF change is for the better...change is for the better and second yes Les Claypool is the virtuoso in the band yes. But you are forgetting Larry Lalonde apprenticed under Joe Satriani...and Tim Alexander has worked with the likes of Blue Man Group and A Perfect Circle and when Tim left no it wasn't exactly the same but it was still the bees knees. Les does also happen to be the frontman as well which only makes his bass playing look even more phenomenal. Funny you guys mentioned GNR Mantia drummed for them for a short period of time lol

thats not the point, claypool is the driving force behind primus, tim alexander and larry are not

Dogfighter28
08-20-2009, 06:23 PM
We will not stop until our demands are met.

1. Metro DVD
2. James Iha/Jimmy Chamberlin
3. Billy Corgan sex tape

paranoid
08-20-2009, 06:34 PM
Because as an avid fan of music in general I believe that if a change is for the better...change is for the better.

Change can also be for the worst.

You see for me it wasn't that Brian wasn't a good drummer he just had a very different style in comparison to the likes of Tim. You see you are referencing mike as being someone who doesn't know much about what he is doing; he can't keep a steady beat; if he doesn't know what to do he'll play some kind of out of context drum fill etc etc...as a fellow musician who has played with Mike I know these statements to be false.

Look, I'm sure Mike is a well rounded drummer, for his age. I've played with a ton of drummers, as well as directed groups with drummers, all around his age. There is a VAST amount of talent out there. But he plays like any other typical 20 year old with a passion would play, like a drummer concentrating more on his parts rather than a musician trying to meticulously blend the sound. Now, I'm basing this off the spirits performance, but there was NOTHING happening there as far as communicative playing is concerned. It made Billy sound like he was fronting another high school rock band at some end of school year talent show. See, BC needs Jimmy behind him. he supplied the power of that band. it's irreplaceable.

Mike out auditioned 1,000 other players? i'm sure he did. But it makes me wonder what kind of crap audition tapes they had to sift through. John Doylman? he SUCKS. And i'm sure he got knocked out because ultimately he wouldn't fit the image of the band (and don't even debate that doesn't matter, otherwise they wouldn't have asked for an 8x10 photo in the intial audition call). Talk about someone with lack of dynamic. the guy from lassie foundation? seriously? to replace Jimmy?

and this change you speak of. Nothing I have heard from Mike, YET, has indicated that he has something new and competely unique/opposite of what JC has to offer. He sounds like he is heavily inspired by JC's work.. which is the anathema of billy's viewpoint on change.. if he wants a change so much, WHY IS HE HIRING someone who is TRYING to sound like JC?

I've seen nothing about mike that indicates he is ready to fill the drum chair of a such a highly regarded, virtuostic musician whose playing has continued to evolve at a high level over 20 years (he's been playing with SP longer than mike has been alive). he sounds like any other typical 20 year old drummer, still hopped up on hormones, wanting to play as loud and agressive as possible. good player, but ready to fill the seat of jimmy c.?

what jimmy has over mike, that has me absolutely wondering if he is capable of filling the spot: a refined musical intuition that goes beyond just being a 'drummer.' he played the perfect parts, at exactly the perfect times. He knew how to drive a song, knew how to highlight a certain part with the right nuance. his parts were orchestrated to propel each nuance delivered by the vocals, guitar licks, bass parts, even lyrics, and the overall feel of the song. He is the reason the SP were able to establish the kind of sound that allowed them to have the variety they are known for. (any other drummer would have not written such a unique, march like drum part against the otherwise straightforward rock rhythms of tonight tonight, for example). his parts stand alone as compositions. the way mike plays in the recordings he's done with his band.. well he sounds just like another drummer, who can play some cool licks, behind some music. he doesn't stand out as a particularlly virtuostic drummer to me. just another drummer like any other.

also.. billy is editing the new songs like 3 or 4 times? he hardly had to do that with jimmy. you see, if you know anything about jimmy, their musical relationship was at a point where they could literally shit songs out over the course of a day. See neverlost.. best song on zeitgeist. recorded in 2 days. united states? completely unedited live drum track. he was a fucking monster. he made it a complete pleasure to listen to SP.. and I'd argue he was 50%, if not more the driving force behind that band. This 'editing' process sounds like the kind of internal anxiety BC was going through during adore.. he had a HARD time doing it without Jimmy (and this is WELL documented). He had Matt Cameron in the studio for fucks sakes.. another seasoned drummer whom billy just couldn't get to work out with him. Why? he had, at that point, 10 years of playing experience with jimmy. he's up to 20 now. i can't imagine a 20 year old drummer is able to live up to that standard. it has me concerned. but like i said, i'll eat my foot if proven wrong.

perhaps i read your statement wrong though. . .

a lot of the bands you mentioned though, a lot of the members were replaceable. les was the musical force behind that band, ultimately. and besides, those records kinda blew. this has been argued, james and darcy are replaceable.. or at least darcy is.. jimmy is absolutely not.. as has been demonstrated via matt walkers stint with the band, then kenny aronoff, another veteran rock drummer. walker came close. and at least with aronoff.. they were approaching a drumming concept that highlighted the fact jimmy was missing, by trying something completely opposite of what jimmy contributed to the band.

the BIGGEST thing that irks me about this, is that I had a hard time accepting the majority of zeitgeist. however, before JC left, they were creating tunes that really showed some serious progress.. and of course JC seemed to be going into new musical territory himself, a demonstration of the continuing exploration of his craft. and the songs were sounding bad ass because of this.. as rome burns, march hare, the new gossamer, the free jam psychedelic stuff, suprchrist, owata, song for a son.. there was a great handful of new material.. out the window. i have my suspicions if mike is capable of handling a part like as rome burns, as it would be a shame if that song were thrown away due to jc's departure. but then again, i don't want to hear anyone else playing a mock version of such a great drum part.

so you see the conerns? i know he's your bud, and you have to defend him. but this aint just some gig at you're local oregon venue. he's under some bright lights now, and sitting in the chair of a man with whom only that chair belongs. he's gonna have some shit flung at him. ginger and jeff got it bad, and they replaced james and darcy. this 19 year old is replacing J fucking C. I hope he has some HUGE balls.

also things may be rosey now. wait til he hits month two on the road with BC. he's had a history of turing into a completely unbearable person to deal with. again, i hope he's got the guts to put up with it.

dustrock
08-20-2009, 07:05 PM
I think the age gap is pretty interesting, and we wouldn't be having this argument if Mike was coming in after Gish or even SD, because at least he and Billy would be similar ages.

The suspicion was that Billy wanted someone like Queen Amidala: "Young and naive. You will find controlling [him] will not be difficult."

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/09/images/02emperor350.jpg

Trotskilicious
08-20-2009, 07:13 PM
God damn it. First off douchelips I said IF key word IF change is for the better...

well first of all i'm just one guy

second of all, how can change be for the better when you're replacing a thundering golden god on drums?

i don't think there's any reason to believe your buddy is already better than jimmy chamberlin. that's just a silly thing to even say.

mercbass
08-20-2009, 07:15 PM
thats not the point, claypool is the driving force behind primus, tim alexander and larry are not

so if billy said fuck the pumpkins and went to do his own bc thing so in your opinion the driving force behind SP is JC and that if BC left SP JC would write all the lyrics find the exact clone of BC and make it work all over again right. Sounds like a circular argument to me. Because every band only has one driving force right? It's the combination of the the individuals that make it something special. There have been bands that have had replacements that have been very good for example Cannibal Corpse, Chris Barnes was replaced by George Corpsegrinder Fischer; The Mars Volta for the album Deloused in the Comatorium Flea was playing bass at that time (way more versed than Juan Alderete) also one of my personal favorite albums; oh shit why not mention my favorite band Primus again Todd Huth was originally the guitarist. Larry Lalonde joined and changed Primus into what it is today. I'm sorry argue with me all you want. If huth was still in the band Primus they would not be where they are today and Les would have never earned the adoration of bass players everywhere because before Huth left if you will remember they were a decent local band that drew pretty good crowds but you weren't talking like major venues and stadium tours. When Justin Chancellor replaced Paul D'Amour for Tool they became better because of it...I'm not going to waste the time typing all the other good fits for various bands that have done it in the past and kept the name. I think the argument is ridiculous.