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sppunk
03-19-2009, 05:06 PM
Amen.

Soccer Is Ruining America
And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

By STEPHEN H. WEBB
Soccer is running America into the ground, and there is very little anyone can do about it. Social critics have long observed that we live in a therapeutic society that treats young people as if they can do no wrong. Every kid is a winner, and nobody is ever left behind, no matter how many times they watch the ball going the other way. Whether the dumbing down of America or soccer came first is hard to say, but soccer is clearly an important means by which American energy, drive and competitiveness are being undermined to the point of no return.

What other game, to put it bluntly, is so boring to watch? (Bowling and golf come to mind, but the sound of crashing pins and the sight of the well-attired strolling on perfectly kept greens are at least inherently pleasurable activities.) The linear, two-dimensional action of soccer is like the rocking of a boat but without any storm and while the boat has not even left the dock. Think of two posses pursuing their prey in opposite directions without any bullets in their guns. Soccer is the fluoridation of the American sporting scene.

For those who think I jest, let me put forth four points, which is more points than most fans will see in a week of games—and more points than most soccer players have scored since their pee-wee days.

1) Any sport that limits you to using your feet, with the occasional bang of the head, has something very wrong with it. Indeed, soccer is a liberal's dream of tragedy: It creates an egalitarian playing field by rigorously enforcing a uniform disability. Anthropologists commonly define man according to his use of hands. We have the thumb, an opposable digit that God gave us to distinguish us from animals that walk on all fours. The thumb lets us do things like throw baseballs and fold our hands in prayer. We can even talk with our hands. Have you ever seen a deaf person trying to talk with his feet? When you are really angry and acting like an animal, you kick out with your feet. Only fools punch a wall with their hands. The Iraqi who threw his shoes at President Bush was following his primordial instincts. Showing someone your feet, or sticking your shoes in someone's face, is the ultimate sign of disrespect. Do kids ever say, "Trick or Treat, smell my hands"? Did Jesus wash his disciples' hands at the Last Supper? No, hands are divine (they are one of the body parts most frequently attributed to God), while feet are in need of redemption. In all the portraits of God's wrath, never once is he pictured as wanting to step on us or kick us; he does not stoop that low.

2) Sporting should be about breaking kids down before you start building them up. Take baseball, for example. When I was a kid, baseball was the most popular sport precisely because it was so demanding. Even its language was intimidating, with bases, bats, strikes and outs. Striding up to the plate gave each of us a chance to act like we were starring in a Western movie, and tapping the bat to the plate gave us our first experience with inventing self-indulgent personal rituals. The boy chosen to be the pitcher was inevitably the first kid on the team to reach puberty, and he threw a hard ball right at you.

Thus, you had to face the fear of disfigurement as well as the statistical probability of striking out. The spectacle of your failure was so public that it was like having all of your friends invited to your home to watch your dad forcing you to eat your vegetables. We also spent a lot of time in the outfield chanting, "Hey batter batter!" as if we were Buddhist monks on steroids. Our chanting was compensatory behavior, a way of making the time go by, which is surely why at soccer games today it is the parents who do all of the yelling.

3) Everyone knows that soccer is a foreign invasion, but few people know exactly what is wrong with that. More than having to do with its origin, soccer is a European sport because it is all about death and despair. Americans would never invent a sport where the better you get the less you score. Even the way most games end, in sudden death, suggests something of an old-fashioned duel. How could anyone enjoy a game where so much energy results in so little advantage, and which typically ends with a penalty kick out, as if it is the audience that needs to be put out of its misery? Shootouts are such an anticlimax to the game and are so unpredictable that the teams might as well flip a coin to see who wins—indeed, they might as well flip the coin before the game, and not play at all.

4) And then there is the question of sex. I know my daughter will kick me when she reads this, but soccer is a game for girls. Girls are too smart to waste an entire day playing baseball, and they do not have the bloodlust for football. Soccer penalizes shoving and burns countless calories, and the margins of victory are almost always too narrow to afford any gloating. As a display of nearly death-defying stamina, soccer mimics the paradigmatic feminine experience of childbirth more than the masculine business of destroying your opponent with insurmountable power.

Let me conclude on a note of despair appropriate to my topic. There is no way to run away from soccer, if only because it is a sport all about running. It is as relentless as it is easy, and it is as tiring to play as it is tedious to watch. The real tragedy is that soccer is a foreign invasion, but it is not a plot to overthrow America. For those inclined toward paranoia, it would be easy to blame soccer's success on the political left, which, after all, worked for years to bring European decadence and despair to America. The left tried to make existentialism, Marxism, poststructuralism, and deconstructionism fashionable in order to weaken the clarity, pragmatism and drive of American culture. What the left could not accomplish through these intellectual fads, one might suspect, they are trying to accomplish through sport.

Yet this suspicion would be mistaken. Soccer is of foreign origin, that is certainly true, but its promotion and implementation are thoroughly domestic. Soccer is a self-inflicted wound. Americans have nobody to blame but themselves. Conservative suburban families, the backbone of America, have turned to soccer in droves. Baseball is too intimidating, football too brutal, and basketball takes too much time to develop the required skills. American parents in the past several decades are overworked and exhausted, but their children are overweight and neglected. Soccer is the perfect antidote to television and video games. It forces kids to run and run, and everyone can play their role, no matter how minor or irrelevant to the game. Soccer and television are the peanut butter and jelly of parenting.

I should know. I am an overworked teacher, with books to read and books to write, and before I put in a video for the kids to watch while I work in the evenings, they need to have spent some of their energy. Otherwise, they want to play with me! Last year all three of my kids were on three different soccer teams at the same time. My daughter is on a traveling team, and she is quite good. I had to sign a form that said, among other things, I would not do anything embarrassing to her or the team during the game. I told the coach I could not sign it. She was perplexed and worried. "Why not," she asked? "Are you one of those parents who yells at their kids? "Not at all," I replied, "I read books on the sidelines during the game, and this embarrasses my daughter to no end." That is my one way of protesting the rise of this pitiful sport. Nonetheless, I must say that my kids and I come home from a soccer game a very happy family.

Mr. Webb is a professor of religion and philosophy at Wabash College. His recent books ******* "American Providence" and "Taking Religion to School."

Soccer Is Ruining America - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123680101041299201.html)

hnibos
03-19-2009, 05:07 PM
soccer is anything but boring. wtf?

hnibos
03-19-2009, 05:08 PM
besides american football its the most enjoyable sport to watch

The Jesus
03-19-2009, 05:17 PM
It's about time you people started playing a real sport.

Eulogy
03-19-2009, 05:18 PM
that's a really, really dumb article, sppunk.

Eulogy
03-19-2009, 05:19 PM
and what's with the thing about shootouts? i think i was involved in about 2 in four years of high school and maybe 5 out of countless games i played for clubs.

Debaser
03-19-2009, 05:20 PM
that's a really, really dumb article, sppunk.

haha that means you're dumb too sppunk

ChristHimself!
03-19-2009, 05:22 PM
i mean i think football's shite but don't you like baseball?

might as well like cricket

Mariner
03-19-2009, 05:31 PM
i wondered where the fuck this guy was coming from and then i saw it at the end there. Wabash College.

i remember getting promo. mail from them back in high school. it's an all-male institution and at the time their attention-grabbing headline/motto type thing was

"Do You Have What It Takes To Be a WABASH Man?"



i distinctly remember lolling

Eulogy
03-19-2009, 05:33 PM
Mr. Webb is a professor of religion and philosophy at Wabash College. His recent books ******* "American Providence" and "Taking Religion to School."

WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123680101041299201.html)

what more do you need, really

sppunk
03-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Eulogy - I didn't write this fucking article. I'm just posting because it'll draw in sports fans and we haven't had nearly enough sports topics on this board in the past few months.

We need guz, Jared, Ace and the gang back.

Nimrod's Son
03-19-2009, 05:36 PM
Awesome article, Chris

Eulogy
03-19-2009, 05:37 PM
Eulogy - I didn't write this fucking article. I'm just posting because it'll draw in sports fans and we haven't had nearly enough sports topics on this board in the past few months.

We need guz, Jared, Ace and the gang back.

uh, did i imply that you did?

i said "that's a really, really dumb article, sppunk." am i not allowed to comment on it since you weren't the one who wrote it? wtf?

mxzombie
03-19-2009, 05:50 PM
anyway to say soccer isn't demanding is a pretty fundamental misunderstanding

Nimrod's Son
03-19-2009, 05:52 PM
It's demanding you run around with the rest of the retards who aren't good enough to play other sports

Eulogy
03-19-2009, 05:54 PM
It's demanding you run around with the rest of the retards who aren't good enough to play other sports

the sad thing is that i think you actually believe this.

mxzombie
03-19-2009, 05:54 PM
see, you admit it. it's demanding that you run around. can't say as much for baseball

Mariner
03-19-2009, 06:11 PM
Amen.

Soccer Is Ruining America
And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

By STEPHEN H. WEBB
Soccer is running America into the ground, and there is very little anyone can do about it. Social critics have long observed that we live in a therapeutic society that treats young people as if they can do no wrong. Every kid is a winner, and nobody is ever left behind, no matter how many times they watch the ball going the other way. Whether the dumbing down of America or soccer came first is hard to say, but soccer is clearly an important means by which American energy, drive and competitiveness are being undermined to the point of no return.

Ok fine interesting thesis or whatever. Too bad he never really expands or proves it in the article. He just mentions it again a few more times.




What other game, to put it bluntly, is so boring to watch?

If you don't know it / care about it, baseball (homie's all-american bastion of whateverism here) is just as boring to watch. If this guy learned soccer (and this article makes it clear that he has not), he wouldn't be bored watching it.



(Bowling and golf come to mind, but the sound of crashing pins...

...is not enough to stop boredom, may even induce a headache if it's on tv during a sunday morning when the risk of hangover is high...



...and the sight of the well-attired strolling on perfectly kept greens are at least inherently pleasurable activities.)

Ok, so this guy thinks golfers are well dressed and he likes looking at perfectly manicured golf greens:

1. - laughably horrible fashion sense, probably dresses like the dorky dad on vacation stereotype

2. - one of those humans who's so insecure about his place in the universe that he gets off on a perversely simplified representation of nature which is built upon the illusion of man's control over it. Look where that mindset's gotten us over the last few hundred years.



The linear, two-dimensional action of soccer is like the rocking of a boat but without any storm and while the boat has not even left the dock.

There is a lot to be learned from watching a boat rock at a dock. It's zen like watching baseball can be zen. These two things are arguably on the same side.



Soccer is the fluoridation of the American sporting scene.

Oh man he's got a tinfoil hat, too.



For those who think I jest, let me put forth four points, which is more points than most fans will see in a week of games—and more points than most soccer players have scored since their pee-wee days.

Oh he wants to get in a dick measuring contest. How many women out there would pick his flaccid pale dead flagpole of a defeated, suppressed protestant prick over that of a swarthy mysterious animal of a Southeastern European soccer player? Ladies and Gentlemen, we may be getting to the bottom of this article.




1) Any sport that limits you to using your feet, with the occasional bang of the head, has something very wrong with it. Indeed, soccer is a liberal's dream of tragedy: It creates an egalitarian playing field by rigorously enforcing a uniform disability.

Every sport has rules. They make each game what it is. It's the whole point. Ice hockey has to be played on ice. Basketball players must handle the ball in extremely certain ways. American football players are precisely and thoroughly restricted in how and when they can touch each other. Egalitarian tragedies, all of them!




Anthropologists commonly define man according to his use of hands. We have the thumb, an opposable digit that God gave us to distinguish us from animals that walk on all fours. The thumb lets us do things like throw baseballs and fold our hands in prayer.

(Oh my God.)


We can even talk with our hands. Have you ever seen a deaf person trying to talk with his feet? When you are really angry and acting like an animal, you kick out with your feet. Only fools punch a wall with their hands.

Right, like people overcome by their base instincts suddenly turn into soccer players, hands tied behind their back. I doubt there's much of a difference between the amounts of punches thrown and the amounts of kicks thrown in a riot or a fistfight or whatever. Just because soccer takes away something that has a lot to do with the nature of humanity (but not nearly everything), does not mean soccer is about returning to base animal instincts.


Do kids ever say, "Trick or Treat, smell my hands"?

No, but try to shake someone's lefty in Morocco. See what happens.


... No, hands are divine (they are one of the body parts most frequently attributed to God),

Dude does not know the women I know.




2) Sporting should be about breaking kids down before you start building them up. Take baseball, for example. When I was a kid, baseball was the most popular sport precisely because it was so demanding. Even its language was intimidating, with bases, bats, strikes and outs. Striding up to the plate gave each of us a chance to act like we were starring in a Western movie, and tapping the bat to the plate gave us our first experience with inventing self-indulgent personal rituals. The boy chosen to be the pitcher was inevitably the first kid on the team to reach puberty, and he threw a hard ball right at you. Thus, you had to face the fear of disfigurement as well as the statistical probability of striking out. The spectacle of your failure was so public that it was like having all of your friends invited to your home to watch your dad forcing you to eat your vegetables. We also spent a lot of time in the outfield chanting, "Hey batter batter!" as if we were Buddhist monks on steroids. Our chanting was compensatory behavior, a way of making the time go by, which is surely why at soccer games today it is the parents who do all of the yelling.


Each of these things has a parallel in most, if not every sport, including soccer. There are moments of focus on single players that give them their Western movie-esque fantasies. There are languages, nuances, and techniques to challenge the mind. There are positions on the team that represent the more dominant person (the puberty-ridden pitcher). To say baseball has these things and some other sport does not is bullshit. These things are one of the main points of and foundations of sport. It wouldn't be a sport if it didn't have these things, and sorry, bub, but golf and bowling are far more lacking in these categories than soccer. And yeah, it's harder to yell while you're playing soccer. And basketball. And ice hockey. Etc. Because you're too busy playing the game, not standing around picking yr jockstrap and getting so bored that you come up with chants. Not a dig on baseball, but also not a leg to stand on against soccer in this regard.




3) Everyone knows that soccer is a foreign invasion, but few people know exactly what is wrong with that.

Again, wow. Just wow. Does this man understand anything about why his beloved America is so great?



More than having to do with its origin, soccer is a European sport because it is all about death and despair. Americans would never invent a sport where the better you get the less you score. Even the way most games end, in sudden death, suggests something of an old-fashioned duel. How could anyone enjoy a game where so much energy results in so little advantage, and which typically ends with a penalty kick out, as if it is the audience that needs to be put out of its misery? Shootouts are such an anticlimax to the game and are so unpredictable that the teams might as well flip a coin to see who wins—indeed, they might as well flip the coin before the game, and not play at all.

This paragraph is just so full of wind and confusion that I don't even know where to start. Utter meaningless babble. How a game-ending shootout can be less climactic than a game-ending out on a pop fly is fully beyond me.





4) And then there is the question of sex.

Oh this should be good.


I know my daughter will kick me when she reads this, but soccer is a game for girls. Girls are too smart to waste an entire day playing baseball, and they do not have the bloodlust for football. Soccer penalizes shoving and burns countless calories, and the margins of victory are almost always too narrow to afford any gloating.

It's not that "wasting" a whole day playing baseball is a matter of "smart" or not. What an obvious dig thinly-veiled-as-a-compliment tossed the ladies' way in an attempt to distract them from the real insulting bullshit emanating from this paragraph. Disgusting, dude.

Also, that goals are few and far between in soccer does not make a 3 point total soccer game ten times less valuable than a 30 point football game or 50 times less valuable than a 150 point basketball game. It just means that each goal has a lot more value wrapped up in it, whether that's communicated directly in the semantics of the point system or not. Do this guy wish he were a professor in Economics? I don't.




As a display of nearly death-defying stamina, soccer mimics the paradigmatic feminine experience of childbirth more than the masculine business of destroying your opponent with insurmountable power.

Well there that was.

What a semantic and philisophical minefield. It's painfully clear that this guy knows less than nothing about a woman giving childbrith. I'm also pretty sure he's lacking knowledge about what it means to be a man. Insurmountable power is the stuff of atomic bomb attacks and genocide, but it lies defeated or is totally absent in the stories of the conflicts and victories traded between real men.





Let me conclude on a note of despair appropriate to my topic. There is no way to run away from soccer, if only because it is a sport all about running. It is as relentless as it is easy,

Has he ever tried to play soccer? Not easy at all. I have an easier time playing baseball.




and it is as tiring to play as it is tedious to watch.

Ah this same argument again. He's repeated it so much, I'd almost say I was becoming bored with it, if I wasn't about to lay this one on the guy: A boring mind sees boring things.





The real tragedy is that soccer is a foreign invasion, but it is not a plot to overthrow America. For those inclined toward paranoia, it would be easy to blame soccer's success on the political left, which, after all, worked for years to bring European decadence and despair to America. The left tried to make existentialism, Marxism, poststructuralism, and deconstructionism fashionable in order to weaken the clarity, pragmatism and drive of American culture. What the left could not accomplish through these intellectual fads, one might suspect, they are trying to accomplish through sport.


Wait, so xenophobia is not why we should be mad at soccer? It's kind of what's been driving the rest of this article so far. Boring foreign animals, etc. I'm confused.





Yet this suspicion would be mistaken. Soccer is of foreign origin, that is certainly true, but its promotion and implementation are thoroughly domestic. Soccer is a self-inflicted wound. Americans have nobody to blame but themselves. Conservative suburban families, the backbone of America, have turned to soccer in droves. Baseball is too intimidating, football too brutal, and basketball takes too much time to develop the required skills.

Hey here are some strains of his original thesis again, but he's just mentioning it, not expanding on it, and he's hardly if at all backed it up during the article. This guy's a college professor?




American parents in the past several decades are overworked and exhausted, but their children are overweight and neglected. Soccer is the perfect antidote to television and video games. It forces kids to run and run, and everyone can play their role, no matter how minor or irrelevant to the game.

Again, where on the soccer field is there more or less irrelevancy-to-the-game than in any other sport? I would be interested to hear what he has to say about the perceived brutality of football or the perceived complexity and intimidating characteristics of baseball and basketball, but he just keeps dancing around those things and goes back to the same lame and incorrect "soccer is boring and it's just a bunch of running around all the time zzzzz" argument. Again: this guy's a college professor?




Soccer and television are the peanut butter and jelly of parenting.

I should know. I am an overworked teacher, with books to read and books to write, and before I put in a video for the kids to watch while I work in the evenings, they need to have spent some of their energy. Otherwise, they want to play with me! Last year all three of my kids were on three different soccer teams at the same time. My daughter is on a traveling team, and she is quite good. I had to sign a form that said, among other things, I would not do anything embarrassing to her or the team during the game. I told the coach I could not sign it. She was perplexed and worried. "Why not," she asked? "Are you one of those parents who yells at their kids? "Not at all," I replied, "I read books on the sidelines during the game, and this embarrasses my daughter to no end." That is my one way of protesting the rise of this pitiful sport. Nonetheless, I must say that my kids and I come home from a soccer game a very happy family.

Aha, there it is. Dad's a xenophobic bastard that is using his xenophobia and his job as excuses to stay distant from his children instead of manning up and diving in. He's ashamed of himself, as he should be, because he's being a shitty father when it comes to his kids' attention and activities. Is that what it takes to be a WABASH Man?

Debaser
03-19-2009, 06:15 PM
Mariner really likes soccer huh

pale blue eyes
03-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Soccer is a lot of fun to play. I do not get to watch a lot of it but of the few I have seen it is a lot more exciting than watching basketball, even slow games.

Mariner
03-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Mariner really likes soccer huh


Actually it's not that high on my list of favorite mainstream sports to watch, but that's admittedly because I haven't watched that much of it. It's higher on my list of favorite sports to play (I've done plenty of both), but the main thing is this guy's article was just too full of douchebaggery to resist.

Debaser
03-19-2009, 06:23 PM
don't be so coy mariner. if you like soccer so much why don't you marry it.

Debaser
03-19-2009, 06:23 PM
my maturity is really regressing the more I post

wow

Mariner
03-19-2009, 06:26 PM
Debaser aren't you a swarthy southern european?







:blush:

BumbleBeeMouth
03-19-2009, 06:38 PM
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Football is the glorious majesty of an alien environment, any idiot can hit a lucky shot, or run into space. Football is all about control and movement, and it lasts for more than 2 seconds of action.

barden
03-19-2009, 06:43 PM
i'm glad the comparisson of baseballs bore factor has been made.

also, soccer was invited in south america, this stupid idiot doesn't know shit.

threetwooneZERO
03-19-2009, 07:41 PM
what more do you need, really

First thing I looked at.

Toast
03-19-2009, 10:20 PM
hockey is the sport soccer wishes it was

mercurial
03-19-2009, 10:35 PM
might as well like cricket

please refrain from sullying the good name of the true gentleman's game by dragging it through the muck that is this discussion about the most pedestrian of sports.

Fonzie
03-20-2009, 12:01 AM
it's awesome you guys have found the root of all your problems!

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 12:17 AM
the sad thing is that i think you actually believe this.

That the athletes who aren't good enough to play other sports usually play soccer in high school? You're damn right I do.

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 12:18 AM
The reason soccer is the world's most popular sport is because poor countries play it due to the fact that you can play it with palm tree goal posts and a coconut ball

Tchocky
03-20-2009, 12:32 AM
Mariner FTW.

Mo
03-20-2009, 01:21 AM
The reason soccer is the world's most popular sport is because poor countries play it due to the fact that you can play it with palm tree goal posts and a coconut ball

Yeah.... and how is that a bad thing, you cocky fuck?

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 02:09 AM
Yeah.... and how is that a bad thing, you cocky fuck?

The only reason it's popular is because poor nations can play it, not because of any merit whatsoever

Mayfuck
03-20-2009, 02:50 AM
how does this get printed a mainstream newspaper

oh.

Mayfuck
03-20-2009, 02:52 AM
The only reason it's popular is because poor nations can play it, not because of any merit whatsoever

go get fired for posting.

Eulogy
03-20-2009, 03:40 AM
That the athletes who aren't good enough to play other sports usually play soccer in high school? You're damn right I do.

honestly i think this could be the result of a generational gap. this is most assuredly not the case anymore.

and uh, most good athletes generally play more than one sport in high school anyway. so i'm not sure what you're getting at. i had really good basketball players, runners, baseball players, and an all state high jumper on my soccer team.

Eulogy
03-20-2009, 03:41 AM
this is making me want to play. guh.

Mayfuck
03-20-2009, 11:23 AM
you down for some soccer practice, eulogy?

Banana
03-20-2009, 11:37 AM
soccer is anything but boring. wtf?

LOL

soccer is boring as fuck

sppunk
03-20-2009, 11:42 AM
Soccer at a high level is not boring at all.

hnibos
03-20-2009, 11:58 AM
LOL

soccer is boring as fuck

have you ever bothered watching the world cup?

also, i hope nimrod gets shot in the balls. today.

pale blue eyes
03-20-2009, 12:07 PM
That the athletes who aren't good enough to play other sports usually play soccer in high school? You're damn right I do.

Well, you're wrong.

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 12:41 PM
Well, you're wrong.

I should have specified the male athletes.

mxzombie
03-20-2009, 12:46 PM
athletes who aren't good enough at football may play soccer instead. (for example)

this is stupid.

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 12:52 PM
well of course the best athletes play football.

hnibos
03-20-2009, 12:56 PM
well of course the best athletes play football.

just in this country.

stripes
03-20-2009, 01:01 PM
what

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 01:05 PM
just in this country.

well yeah, which is why this thread says "America" in the title. Also most other countries don't play American Football.

Can you imagine how good the US would be at soccer if we had our best athletes playing it?

Kahlo
03-20-2009, 01:17 PM
Still not as good as Brazil

hnibos
03-20-2009, 01:29 PM
well yeah, which is why this thread says "America" in the title. Also most other countries don't play American Football.

Can you imagine how good the US would be at soccer if we had our best athletes playing it?

that would be awesome. randy moss > theirry henry. Lebron james > Zidane. Dwayne Wade > C. Ronaldo

hnibos
03-20-2009, 01:30 PM
those athletes could make just as much money. hm, what a shame

Eulogy
03-20-2009, 02:36 PM
well of course the best athletes play football.

on a nationwide level, the best athletes probably are playing basketball. not football.

but it is certainly not the case everywhere that the good athletes play football and the bad ones play soccer. you have such a narrow minded view of the world. it almost makes me sad for you.

hnibos
03-20-2009, 02:42 PM
keyword: almost

Trotskilicious
03-20-2009, 06:24 PM
what a stupid fucking thread

Debaser
03-20-2009, 06:26 PM
i enjoyed mariner's fisking of the op

Trotskilicious
03-20-2009, 06:30 PM
yeah but it's always the same in this kind of stuff. I mean the original article is so outrageously stupid there's nothing you can really say about it beyond, "Goodness, what a huge pile of arse-gravy."

Debaser
03-20-2009, 06:33 PM
arse-gravy just paints a wonderful mental picture

Trotskilicious
03-20-2009, 06:34 PM
I stole it from Stephen Fry but he was talking about The Da Vinci Code.

Mariner
03-20-2009, 06:38 PM
was pretty much just a nice light late afternoon spar

Trotskilicious
03-20-2009, 06:47 PM
i pretty much put people who say soccer is boring with people who deny the holocaust, you know, totally and unequivocally wrong.

and it's funny how it's almost always huge baseball fans that spout piffle like this.

Trotskilicious
03-20-2009, 06:54 PM
i love footy

Debaser
03-20-2009, 07:00 PM
the only criticism i have of soccer is the seeming tendency for players to exaggerate their on-field injuries. rolling around or lying down on the field for a seeming unreasonable amount of time.

is that so they can sneak in some rest? babies.

Nimrod's Son
03-20-2009, 07:00 PM
I don't think Trotsky could beat any netphorian in a footrace

Debaser
03-20-2009, 07:02 PM
i enjoy watching golf

pale blue eyes
03-20-2009, 07:11 PM
I have sort of gotten into watching tennis. A good match can be really, really exciting.

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:30 AM
America is more ruined than ever.

Last weekend in Atlanta 50,000 people showed up to watch Atlanta United play their first MLS game. And this summer the Atlanta Falcons, almost champions of american Football, will be forced to play their games in Altanta's 1.6 Billion Dollar soccer stadium.

http://cdn-s3.si.com/images/Atlanta-United-Stadium-1.jpg

Last year 110,000 people showed up in Ann Arbor to watch Real Madrid beat Chelsea.


RIP America!

https://dalefisherphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/7-30-16-soccer-at-um-stadium0114.jpg

yo soy el mejor
03-12-2017, 10:31 AM
hachi machi

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:36 AM
They're building a soccer stadium in DETROIT!

Trump is too late.

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:37 AM
I know one person that watches basketball who isn't named Brendon.

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:37 AM
Every day thousands of baseball fans die and are not replaced.

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:38 AM
Game over, man. Game over!

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:41 AM
Next week I'm driving to the ass end of Ohio to watch the Timbers destroy Colubus Crew because i'm a horrible liberal. And next month I'm flying to portland to watch Timbers v Vancouver because i'm a horrible person who believes in participation trophies for all children

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 10:42 AM
America is liking soccer so much because millenials are lazy and poor

yo soy el mejor
03-12-2017, 10:42 AM
f u

yo soy el mejor
03-12-2017, 10:51 AM
soccer is so popular because all you need is a dang ball and yourself. it makes sense that those who can't afford stupid equipment would gravitate towards the game. i wouldn't credit millenials are whatever for why "america is liking soccer so much"

vixnix
03-12-2017, 10:59 AM
i don't get why anyone would turn up to watch a random isolated game between two foreign clubs from different countries. do not get it.

vixnix
03-12-2017, 11:01 AM
if my local club isn't playing then nobody's getting any of my dollars.

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 11:17 AM
The Ann Arbor match has become an annual thing and they bring in two different teams from the EU each year. Every soccer fan i know here adopts a champion's league team and an MLS team. So people know these teams very well.

We don't have a Major League Soccer team in Michigan yet, but we have an entire new division worth of clubs in a minor league. Our club here in my home town is 2 years old and we're getting 8,000 people at matches. Ours and the club we play in Detroit were both started by supporter groups who were sick of waiting for someone to start a club so we did it ourselves.

LaBelle
03-12-2017, 12:04 PM
As a brazilian I guess I should say something in defense of football.

But I really can't be bothered.

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 02:03 PM
I don't think Trotsky could beat any netphorian in a footrace

lmao @ this fat piece of shit

anyone got that pic from the pearl jam website where he looks like an off-brand kevin smith complete with NJ devils jersey in southern california

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 02:04 PM
i only like 2 sports now: basketball & real football

my favorite teams are the spurs. yeah thats right. go spurs go.

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 02:04 PM
YER A STRIKER 'ARRY

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 02:04 PM
They're building a soccer stadium in DETROIT!

Trump is too late.

FC Barca wants to build a youth acadamy near austin which is like uh :think: why

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 02:05 PM
I know one person that watches basketball who isn't named Brendon.

thats because you live in fucking trump country michigan, guy. basketball has too many black people for those folks, they probably also condemn it being filled with "thugs" even though their preferred wintertime sport practically allows fighting

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 05:04 PM
I live in Trump country? You live in Texas!

My city vote 2-1 for Dems at all levels in November.its no Austin, but Trump is despised in my city.

ohnoitsbonnie
03-12-2017, 05:32 PM
I live in a blue state, county, town

fuzzyroes
03-12-2017, 07:42 PM
Every day thousands of baseball fans die and are not replaced.

This is just not true. Not sure why people are always pushing this narrative. The ratings have been better than they've been in years.

Besides, when did you become a baseball hater? I've seen you rocking a Tigers cap before.

fuzzyroes
03-12-2017, 07:45 PM
soccer is so popular because all you need is a dang ball and yourself. it makes sense that those who can't afford stupid equipment would gravitate towards the game. i wouldn't credit millenials are whatever for why "america is liking soccer so much"

America isn't liking soccer though.

The MLS is such a garbage league compared to the Premier League. Just a big boring game of keep-away. Very little offense at all.

fuzzyroes
03-12-2017, 07:50 PM
You guys sound perilously close to disrespecting the president. Donald Trump is the president now and there's nothing we can do about it, so we need to learn to respect him and his choices for our nation. I didn't vote for him either, but I'm going to give him a chance and hope that he really does make America great again.

You do have a point.

I remember everyone was outraged when Obama was shown perceived slights. HOW DARE THEY DISRESPECT THE PRESIDENT!

It would be nice if Trump was afforded the same standers.

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 08:21 PM
You guys sound perilously close to disrespecting the president. Donald Trump is the president now and there's nothing we can do about it, so we need to learn to respect him and his choices for our nation. I didn't vote for him either, but I'm going to give him a chance and hope that he really does make America great again.

DIAF you racist POS

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 08:23 PM
Fuzzy lives on welfare and free health care in Canada and worships Americans who would throw him out on the streets and spit in his face

scottytheoneand
03-12-2017, 08:25 PM
the problem with the United States is that every poor hillbilly thinks they're one lucky break away from being a millionaire.

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 09:15 PM
and it's funny how it's almost always huge baseball fans that spout piffle like this.

this man is so wise

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 09:16 PM
I live in Trump country? You live in Texas!

My city vote 2-1 for Dems at all levels in November.its no Austin, but Trump is despised in my city.

well then they're racist blue people who love hockey because everything is white idk what to tell you

GO
SPURS
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Trotskilicious
03-12-2017, 09:18 PM
Fuzzy lives on welfare and free health care in Canada and worships Americans who would throw him out on the streets and spit in his face

i bet fuzzy doesn't even know he has health care

scottytheoneand
03-13-2017, 07:41 PM
this play is why i watch soccer

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Trotskilicious
03-13-2017, 07:48 PM
why don't you watch a good league then ayyyyyyyyyy

vixnix
03-13-2017, 07:55 PM
The Ann Arbor match has become an annual thing and they bring in two different teams from the EU each year. Every soccer fan i know here adopts a champion's league team and an MLS team. So people know these teams very well.

We don't have a Major League Soccer team in Michigan yet, but we have an entire new division worth of clubs in a minor league. Our club here in my home town is 2 years old and we're getting 8,000 people at matches. Ours and the club we play in Detroit were both started by supporter groups who were sick of waiting for someone to start a club so we did it ourselves.

That's pretty cool.

If they were my local club I'd pay to see them play and buy their shitty overpriced merch

I'm not really a big fan of adopting foreign teams. Lots of kids around here wear Barca tops and when I was a kid in NZ, lots of kids wore Man U gear. support your local teams dammit

LaBelle
03-13-2017, 08:03 PM
My mom's old place was in front of an amateur league soccer field.
All the players would run after the referee if they thought the referee was being biased.

Shit got real there.

Trotskilicious
03-13-2017, 08:08 PM
I'm not really a big fan of adopting foreign teams. Lots of kids around here wear Barca tops and when I was a kid in NZ, lots of kids wore Man U gear. support your local teams dammit

idk with soccer its one thing to want to watch a good team play well and follow the best leagues and best players. and if you're not from a place with strong footballing traditions like germany or england or spain or what have you, you can pick teams to follow

i picked tottenham hotspur as my primary club because they are the spurs just like my LOCAL TEAM! GO SPURS GO but i also picked FC Sankt Pauli because they are the punk rockinest antifa club and Real Madrid because Gareth Bale (who came through Tottenham) is my favorite player. I also like Lokomotiv Moscow because i did a season or two with them on footy manager and learned that they were founded by the soviet railwaymen union as a rec team

what are the local nz clubs to support?

vixnix
03-13-2017, 08:17 PM
Wellington Phoenix is my local team in NZ - they play in the Australian A-league

But NZ has enough of a grassroots local scene that you can support your local neighbourhood club. My local team within Wellington, that I played for growing up, was Waterside Karori.

scottytheoneand
03-13-2017, 08:18 PM
That's pretty cool.

If they were my local club I'd pay to see them play and buy their shitty overpriced merch

I'm not really a big fan of adopting foreign teams. Lots of kids around here wear Barca tops and when I was a kid in NZ, lots of kids wore Man U gear. support your local teams dammit

i really don't follow foreign teams. I would like to go to the annual Ann Arbor match, though. But it's because it's in my college football stadium and it's an amazing place to see a sporting event.

Our club here, Grand Rapids FC, does not have overpriced gear. single game tickets are only $8. My season ticket is $80. They sell t shirts for $15-$20. Our players are mostly college guys who play for midwest universities and during summer break come here to play for GRFC. Our club has only been around for 2 years and it's in the lowest league for the men, and second tier for women. But there's talk about big investors getting involved and if that happens it would mean the men moving up to USL, which is the second tier in the USA. That would also mean a huge new stadium and probably higher prices.

Also, I just got put on the TIFO committe of our supporters group!

I also follow the Portland Timbers here in the US and I'm a member of their supporters group. They do have a lot of overpriced crap. But I spend most of my money on gear from the supporters group, which has a ton of cool stuff that's reasonably priced.


.

vixnix
03-13-2017, 08:50 PM
those are great prices. Good on you for getting involved.

Sydney FC gear is terrible for pricing. Team shirts are $110, from memory. I winced the other day when I realised the older son's shirt was looking a bit small on him. They're reasonable quality so he can hand his down, at least.

scottytheoneand
03-13-2017, 09:03 PM
those are great prices. Good on you for getting involved.

Sydney FC gear is terrible for pricing. Team shirts are $110, from memory. I winced the other day when I realised the older son's shirt was looking a bit small on him. They're reasonable quality so he can hand his down, at least.

same here. a new Timbers jersey is $100. If you want it with a player's name and number it's $149.

So I just bought last year's primary and secondary jerseys on close out for $40! :)

we lost two of our players this year to Australia 2nd division teams. Nick Groenwald plays for Hobart Zebras FC. Not sure where Tyler Fischer went.


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vixnix
03-14-2017, 06:40 AM
Yeah it's ridiculous. All Blacks shirts are even worse so I probably shouldn't be surprised.

I haven't seen last year's stuff go on sale before, definitely not at prices like that. Didn't think Australian clubs would pay enough for U.S. players - I guess U.S. clubs aren't paying that much either, yet. Fix it, Scotty...

scottytheoneand
03-19-2017, 02:57 PM
"I'd like to thank my wife AND BY GIRLFRIEND..."

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scottytheoneand
03-19-2017, 03:08 PM
why don't you watch a good league then ayyyyyyyyyy

I occasionally watch Euro soccer on the TV. But i find it hard to get all that excited for a team in a foreign country that I feel no connection to. I enjoy the sport when I connect with the team.

I follow Portland because I love the city and I feel at home with their supporters. I love hockey and I have season tickets for our AHL team, but it wasn't until we got a minor league soccer team here and I started following the Timbers that I found a fan community that I liked. There's a sense of community that the supporters group creates with the team that doesn't exist in other American professional sports. Also, the supporter communities for both my local club and the Portland Timbers have a positive and inclusive ethic that most soccer clubs don't have.

Trotskilicious
03-19-2017, 06:01 PM
Also, the supporter communities for both my local club and the Portland Timbers have a positive and inclusive ethic that most soccer clubs don't have.

they should ally with fc st. pauli, which is the inclusive left wing soccer club in germany

i follow st. pauli & tottenham basically thats about it. i find i get into it if i just find a team to care about, spurs were good because they are also spurs and it wasn't like picking one of the big megaclubs, although i do kinda follow real madrid because of gareth bale (who came out of spurs, etc)

scottytheoneand
03-19-2017, 06:50 PM
Austin was on the list for an MLS expansion team. But the USL team in Austin doesn't look to be all that popular there.

Trotskilicious
03-19-2017, 07:54 PM
it doesn't exist really and no its not popular there's a lot of stuff to do in this city

also San Antonio FC is here already & it has a spurs logo

<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cd/San_Antonio_FC.png">
i think spurs sports & entertainment should rebrand to San Antonio Spurs AC and then name the soccer team San Antonio Spurs FC and the basketball team San Antonio Spurs BC

to be honest I'd much rather watch Liga MX than the cheesy mls with all of its dumb american shit like conferences & playoffs

lawson
03-19-2017, 10:01 PM
yo sppunk!

I read half the article thinking you wrote it tongue in cheek haha

I played soccer K-12. I've always wondered why is the US still so bad at soccer considering so many kids played soccer in the 1980's and on. Because, as the article says, we were really out there to run around and get exercise! Now that I think about it, I only ever had 2 coaches who actually played soccer, and one was the high school coach. One of my early "coaches" was a tobacco farmer. He was the coach because he had fields to have practice in. I literally never saw him kick a ball with his foot.

fuzzyroes
03-19-2017, 10:15 PM
i really don't follow foreign teams. I would like to go to the annual Ann Arbor match, though. But it's because it's in my college football stadium and it's an amazing place to see a sporting event.

Our club here, Grand Rapids FC, does not have overpriced gear. single game tickets are only $8. My season ticket is $80. They sell t shirts for $15-$20. Our players are mostly college guys who play for midwest universities and during summer break come here to play for GRFC. Our club has only been around for 2 years and it's in the lowest league for the men, and second tier for women. But there's talk about big investors getting involved and if that happens it would mean the men moving up to USL, which is the second tier in the USA. That would also mean a huge new stadium and probably higher prices.

Also, I just got put on the TIFO committe of our supporters group!

I also follow the Portland Timbers here in the US and I'm a member of their supporters group. They do have a lot of overpriced crap. But I spend most of my money on gear from the supporters group, which has a ton of cool stuff that's reasonably priced.


.

8 dollar tickets? that's insane. MLS tickets in Vancouver range from 50-100 dollars... Which to me is an absolute rip for such a crap league, especially considering that beer is literally 11 dollars a pop... But for 10 dollars I'd see a lot more games.

Trotskilicious
03-21-2017, 07:59 PM
when MLS teams sign dudes on the retirement circuit like they did with david beckham, theirry henri, stephen gerard, kaka, and now bastian schwiensteiger it makes me think its a joke league

smashingjj
03-21-2017, 08:21 PM
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buzzard
03-21-2017, 11:29 PM
Even the retiring players might be giving the United States a big fat miss if the Chinese clubs keep throwing money at them.

Tevez supposedly became the highest paid player in the sport despite the thirty-three years of life behind him and I don't imagine he's the last big purchase we'll see. He'd pretty clearly returned home in 2015 to finish out his career, too, only to give Boca an even greater gift by leaving them for the second time.

ohnoitsbonnie
03-21-2017, 11:32 PM
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/writer-mike-*******-arrives-for-the-hollywood-cares-second-annual-picture-id518542546?s=594x594lmao @ this fat piece of shit

anyone got that pic from the pearl jam website where he looks like an off-brand kevin smith complete with NJ devils jersey in southern california

ohnoitsbonnie
03-21-2017, 11:33 PM
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/pictures/Michael+*******.jpg

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 12:08 AM
Even the retiring players might be giving the United States a big fat miss if the Chinese clubs keep throwing money at them.

i mean us & china are basically the joke soccer leagues lmao

used to be turkey & greece but US & china outbid them

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 10:15 AM
MLS is slowly getting better. Level of play is not nearly as good as other countries because it doesn't generate as much money here. But eventually it will. It's slowly improving.

I think it's just pointless bitching to say MLS is no good because it's not Premiere League or Bundesliga. So what. We don't live in Germany. People want their own teams to root for and support.

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 10:18 AM
I'm driving to Ohio on Saturday to support the Timbers against Columbus Crew. Should be a great time. Lots of Timbers supporters going. And we haven't been to Columbus since winning the cup there in 2015

smashingjj
03-22-2017, 10:31 AM
i wonder what this article would have be written like if america was actually any good at it

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 12:51 PM
I think it's just pointless bitching to say MLS is no good because it's not Premiere League or Bundesliga. So what. We don't live in Germany. People want their own teams to root for and support.

i was saying its bad because they sign washed up grandpas and then they kill everyone in the league, like theirry henri

you don't live in portland but you support the timbers anyway i mean whats the difference between that and me being a st. pauli fan

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 02:24 PM
i was saying its bad because they sign washed up grandpas and then they kill everyone in the league, like theirry henri

you don't live in portland but you support the timbers anyway i mean whats the difference between that and me being a st. pauli fan

There isn't any difference.

It's all good.

Also, GR is like Portland East. Every other person here is a Timbers supporter who rides their bike to work.

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 02:25 PM
if they have a job

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 02:27 PM
I'm mildly excited about San Antonio FC, and i will say the MLS has done a good job bringing national team players home & developing talent

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 02:34 PM
It will continue to get better. Look at Atlanta and Orlando. They're not following the old MLS model and they're starting out well.

San Antonio would be a great city for MLS. I think the league could handle three dozen or more teams. And having three or four or more in Texas would be smart business. It's a huge state with large metro markets. Not unlike California, which seems to be a wet dream for MLS. They're going to destroy the NFL Stadium in San Diego and build a new soccer stadium and MLS will put them first in line because California

My heart will be torn once Detroit gets in. Lot of talk here bout that now. I grew up a Tigers/Wings fan and I don't know what I'll do if my local soccer club ends up being the USL affiliate of the new Detroit MLS team (which is the rumor). I might stick with the Timbers and continue to support GRFC locally. first world problems

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 02:46 PM
the only way three dozen teams makes sense is if we're talking about MLS 1 & MLS 2 with promotion/relegation just like every other soccer league in the entire world

also i think they should relax standards for youth dev, should be focused on CONCACAF nations, so that MLS competes directly with Liga MX

san antonio is a great spot for soccer because unlike austin, there's already a very strong latin american & mexican presence going back to the foundation of the city and as a result Liga MX flags & logos are everywhere, Chivas or Club America or UNAM Pumas.

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 07:36 PM
unfortunately, i don't see them ever running a tiered league with relegation. It will work like Major League baseball with two leagues and a play off system.

Unless... the fans demand something different.


I agree regarding your statement on CONCACAF!

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 07:40 PM
unfortunately, i don't see them ever running a tiered league with relegation.

its impossible, it can't be done when you already have the guaranteed top league place as is the custom in american sports

i think 24 teams in MLS is plenty for now

its unfortunate tho, its more of an incentive not to run your team on a shoe string budget & still make money somehow like the sacramento kings or any number of relentlessly awful baseball squads

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 07:41 PM
minnesota united is in the mls now woah they have one of the best logos i've ever seen in my life

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 07:43 PM
<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e8/Minnesota_United_FC_(MLS)_Primary_logo.svg/1200px-Minnesota_United_FC_(MLS)_Primary_logo.svg.png">

its even got a hell of a use of negative space & the north star. so rad.

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 07:51 PM
LOL their uniforms are bad too

http://www.gomn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/United-unis-1-320x310.jpg

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 07:53 PM
that grey, black, white is the worst. who would ever want to buy their merch? especially with that fucking target logo on it.

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 07:56 PM
I respect what they've done in Orlando, but all that purple is horrifying

Trotskilicious
03-22-2017, 08:06 PM
LOL their uniforms are bad too

not what i was saying but its nice to know that you don't read any of the words i type

scottytheoneand
03-22-2017, 08:12 PM
i thought you were being sarcastic about their logo.

a year or two ago before they were in the MLS they used it big on their kits

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scottytheoneand
03-28-2017, 08:58 PM
last weekend i drove to Columbus to catch the Timbers play Columbus Crew. Columbus's stadium was half empty.



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scottytheoneand
04-24-2017, 08:05 PM
just got back from Portland. Another MLS match. So much fun! Timbers still at the top of the table.