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jimmy drevpile
03-12-2009, 03:22 PM
"I'm typing to you from the SP vault. Today is my first day on the job as the band's archivist. I had a glimpse of what is in the archive, and I just have one word to say about it. Massive! I'm sure you all want to know what is in store for you regarding the archive, and there are a lot of ideas about what to do. An idea that Billy had was to start a subscription service. The idea behind that is you would sign up and be given access to material from the archive. I want to see what you guys would be interested in.

We're going to set up a separate archive mailing list for people that would like to get more information about what we're doing. That should be going up very soon. You don't have to register on SP.com in order to sign up to the mailing list. This will be separate from the regular SP.com mailing list, so be sure to sign up if you are already a part of the other list. When you sign up for the mailing list, I will be giving regular updates with more information than what is in this blog. There will also be some surprises too!

For those of you who don't do message boards, and want to voice your opinion, you can send me an e-mail at [email protected]. If you are a member of the SP.com message board, you can voice your opinion in the new Archives sub-forum in the Live Recordings/Collecting forum. I will be dropping by every so often to answer questions and present some new ideas.

Frank"

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wHATcOLOR
03-12-2009, 03:26 PM
There will also be some surprises too!



Also, there too will also be some surprises too, in addition!

wHATcOLOR
03-12-2009, 03:26 PM
signed, frank "rat fink" quinto

BlissedandGone2
03-12-2009, 03:55 PM
i cant even begin to explain how great a year we are going to make this.

Elvis The Fat Years
03-12-2009, 04:12 PM
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8510/herof.jpg

that's a pic of me in my vault.

Kahlo
03-12-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm an Archivist :(

CrabbMan
03-12-2009, 10:14 PM
I would totally sign up for a subscription. Though I'm not sure how this would work. It seems like there'd be a limited demand, and it wouldn't be too long before stuff was just up in torrent files.
Sometimes I do feel blessed to have become obsessed with a band that has such an abundance of great treasures.

ravenguy2000
03-12-2009, 10:18 PM
frank can email me when there's a rapidshare link

Mayfuck
03-13-2009, 12:53 PM
I wonder why this isn't getting more attnetion. Although i've lost a lost of interest in new releases, I'm still anticipating a lot of the stuff we haven't heard from the peak era. its still something i'd pay money to hear. i wonder why he didn't do this earlier. but i'm sure they'll botch up even this.

Reyngel
03-13-2009, 01:33 PM
As has already been said, this whole "subscription" thing is going to tank after Billy realizes most fans just download the content as torrents.


If, however, he actually put up things people have been asking for over the last decade, like the final Metro show, maybe high quality recordings of every Arising tour show, etc, then I would pay to subscribe.


I don't feel like signing up for a stupid newsletter to express my opinion, though.

Slurpee
03-13-2009, 03:33 PM
I was a fan of this 8 years ago, when it was called "The Hub."

CrabbMan
03-13-2009, 03:42 PM
I recall Billy saying that he recorded all of the bands shows starting in the early days. I don't know how true that statement is, but I'm personally looking forward to some cool upgrades from 89-94

Marquee Moon
03-13-2009, 03:59 PM
As has already been said, this whole "subscription" thing is going to tank after Billy realizes most fans just download the content as torrents.

I wonder if the subscription idea will involve access to a site that has streaming content vs mp3, quicktimes or whatever that can be downloaded?

Actually, I'd still be up for checking it out if that's what it was ... so long as the site's players worked well and interesting choices were made for the content.

T&T
03-13-2009, 05:08 PM
part of the appeal is in the stock piling....
just let us download 2TB of Flac audio please.

markpregen
03-13-2009, 06:12 PM
already all ready

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Caine Walker
03-13-2009, 07:54 PM
i'm not paying for any of this.

duovamp
03-13-2009, 10:30 PM
As if we hadn't already paid enough...

yoshinobu's revenge
03-13-2009, 11:01 PM
i don't think subscription is a good idea. just do a physical release, if you can do it thru sp.com without label/middle man interference

CrabbMan
03-14-2009, 05:13 AM
I like to imagine that there's too much stuff that Billy wants shared for there to be physical releases. Besides, if I get the physical copy, I'm just going to rip it and listen on my computer or mp3 player anyway. So I'd rather just download it directly anyway. But if I'm just going to be downloading it, then I might as well download it for free since I'm sure I can find it on Demonoid or what.cd.
Anyway, point being, it's tough to see how to make it work out financially. The subscription idea makes me think they're not trying to charge $15 per release, which simply isn't reasonable these days, especially for old material (no matter how cool it is). But the band certainly deserves payment for their work. I just hope the lack of financial feasibility doesn't keep everything locked in the vaults forever.

Caine Walker
03-14-2009, 10:15 AM
or corgan could stop being such a fucking douche about everything, and maybe more people would be somewhat accepting of the idea.

Marquee Moon
03-14-2009, 11:56 AM
I recall Billy saying that he recorded all of the bands shows starting in the early days. I don't know how true that statement is, but I'm personally looking forward to some cool upgrades from 89-94

Would be great if it also included some video content, especially since the assholes of WMG are continuing to strip audio from and/or remove videos of so much great classic material on YouTube.

Would love to see higher quality versions of performances like these (http://www.youtube.com/user/chicagomylem).

aldango
03-14-2009, 12:38 PM
or corgan could stop being such a fucking douche about everything, and maybe more people would be somewhat accepting of the idea.

seriously what's not to like about this

Caine Walker
03-14-2009, 01:31 PM
yet again, it's the way it's being handled. the other thing bugging me about this is that frank quinto is at the helm of the operation. that doesn't help either.

if anything comes out of the "archive", i want to see it be the final metro show. or a compilation of the Arising! shows.

ooh, ooh, how about footage of the shows about a week before Melvoin died. that would be neat too.

T&T
03-14-2009, 01:37 PM
I'm assuming that most of the stuff that is archived is actually either on magnetic tape, or multi-tracks from the soundboard...
so there's probably a ton of work to be done at this point in time.
and that's gonna take a ton of time.


the only medium i'd be willing to buy is a hard drive.
get all the shit organized, and ship me a 2TB hard drive with lossless files.
ll subscribe 1000$ for that.

anything less is peter-pattering, and i'm not so interested in a monthly subscription with the potential of mystery releases twice a month.
if you're gonna do the arising shows, do them all.
if you're gonna do the adore charity shows, do them all...

this is seriously gonna be a HUGE HEAP of fucking work.
i hope frank has it in him to actually listen to a zillion hours of billy.

T&T
03-14-2009, 01:39 PM
or a compilation of the Arising! shows.
shit no man
compilations would be super lame.
please do not encourage this.

make your own compilation (or let some fan do that after the fact)
but push for ALL of it to be released... bugs, mistakes and every scar.

Kahlo
03-14-2009, 01:40 PM
I don't know how the fuck any of you can complain about this!

OH NOES A FAN HAS ACCESS TO ALL THE MATERIAL YOU WANT TO HEAR

fuck you Caine Walker

Esty
03-14-2009, 03:22 PM
We know who the fucker with the access is, so thats why we all have no hopes of anything fucking good getting out.

Fuck off Kahlo, you're a pathetic sack of shit. Coming here constantly and defending that place.

The only things that matter should be metro show, arising shows, and some higher quality shows from the the start up to and (especially some of those "resume the Pose" instore sets) including machina. We can only hope he bothers to release the chicago songs, dajhi zwan (whatever), even things from the future embrace era. But i'm living in the past so who gives a shit what I would like.

commando
03-14-2009, 05:25 PM
if anything comes out of the "archive", i want to see it be the final metro show. or a compilation of the Arising! shows.

ooh, ooh, how about footage of the shows about a week before Melvoin died. that would be neat too.

there you go. I don't really have it in me to listen to 30 identical shows from 1989.

The things the fans want? Billy knows. That's the stuff he's afraid to release b/c he doesn't want to blow his wad. He needs us on the line.

Slurpee
03-14-2009, 05:26 PM
For the record, I would enjoy any unreleased SP1 show, no matter the era.

Marquee Moon
03-14-2009, 06:20 PM
chicago songs + djali zwan material would be awesome ... hope some of this material will be included, even if it's not technically SP

Hypocaust
03-14-2009, 07:13 PM
... the other thing bugging me about this is that frank quinto is at the helm of the operation. that doesn't help either.

We know who the fucker with the access is, so thats why we all have no hopes of anything fucking good getting out.



Maybe I'm a n00b, but I don't really get why anyone is upset about Quinto being involved in this. What did he do to anyone to make them think he is not adequate for the job?

redbull
03-14-2009, 08:22 PM
Maybe I'm a n00b, but I don't really get why anyone is upset about Quinto being involved in this. What did he do to anyone to make them think he is not adequate for the job?

have you ever been to netphoria

Hypocaust
03-14-2009, 08:48 PM
have you ever been to netphoria

Yeah, for nearly ten years now. I'm pretty aware as to what's going on, but never really understood the collective disdain for this guy.

T&T
03-14-2009, 09:35 PM
i read he's hoarded stuff
and squealed out some fellow tapers at shows

roamzero
03-14-2009, 10:04 PM
I'd pay for it if all the content was put up and available at once (especially zwan stuff). Maybe model it after rapidshare and let people pay for however long they'll think it'll take to download what they want.

However, I have a feeling they'll go the ghey route, charge a monthly fee and release a few songs a month to milk us as much as possible.

Thaniel Buckner
03-14-2009, 10:38 PM
i could definitely go for some late mcis soundboards.

any unreleased soundboards at this point would be incredible though.

we also need to hear some extended pastichio medley clips.

markpregen
03-15-2009, 01:19 AM
Yeah, for nearly ten years now. I'm pretty aware as to what's going on, but never really understood the collective disdain for this guy.

Hey guys,

The band asked me to reach out to everybody here. It really wasn’t cool that someone broke into the rehearsal space and stole those pictures. The band is going after that person with the full extent of the law. Those images are copyrighted, and if we all worked together and didn’t post them around the web, it would be great for everybody. The band will go after people that post those images around the web. Theft like this is puts the Pumpkins’ trust in their fans in jeopardy. They do not condone actions like this. If we can all work together, it will be a great year.

Thank you,
Frank Quinto

dustrock
03-15-2009, 01:32 AM
hey guys, now I have a machine gun. ho ho ho.

RockOn
03-15-2009, 08:01 AM
pre the marked (Coat of Eyes Era) and the marked demos would also be cool.

Caine Walker
03-15-2009, 10:05 AM
I don't know how the fuck any of you can complain about this!

OH NOES A FAN HAS ACCESS TO ALL THE MATERIAL YOU WANT TO HEAR

fuck you Caine Walker

no, fuck you kahlo. a "fan" has access to all the material <i>he</i> wants to hear. that nerd is rubbing it in everyone's face because he thinks it makes him cool, and none of us are going to actually hear what we really want to hear.

way to guzzle the kool-aid, man.

ravenguy2000
03-15-2009, 11:08 AM
kahlo is linking to this thread in the SP.com moderators lounge and they're all fellating him for fighting the good fight

Marquee Moon
03-15-2009, 11:22 AM
no, fuck you kahlo. a "fan" has access to all the material <i>he</i> wants to hear. that nerd is rubbing it in everyone's face because he thinks it makes him cool, and none of us are going to actually hear what we really want to hear.

way to guzzle the kool-aid, man.

I think the project needs people (Quinto or whatever) to take care of the administrative aspects ... like right now, gathering up people's requests of what they want from the archive subscription. But for the project to really succeed, I think Billy and Jimmy should have the final say in what's put up, and it would be really nice if they shared some memories and additional thoughts on the selections that are shared.

Given the vibe of things lately, I think more people would be want to contribute to the success of this if Billy and Jimmy let us know it means something to them, and isn't just an attempt to wring more money out of songs that "have already been exploited."

Kahlo
03-15-2009, 12:30 PM
no, fuck you kahlo. a "fan" has access to all the material <i>he</i> wants to hear. that nerd is rubbing it in everyone's face because he thinks it makes him cool, and none of us are going to actually hear what we really want to hear.

way to guzzle the kool-aid, man.

Oh sorry man, I forgot that this was actually all just about petty jealousy.

Grow the fuck up you entitled prick

Caine Walker
03-15-2009, 12:37 PM
jesus, man. you're an asshole now.

Kahlo
03-15-2009, 12:44 PM
Ah whatever, I'm just bored and yanking your chain...and I've always been an asshole

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Andy /
03-16-2009, 06:02 PM
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Did Monte write this?

Kahlo
03-16-2009, 07:15 PM
Ha! Don't put me and Monte in the same sentence again.

Kahlo
03-16-2009, 07:23 PM
Ha, If they make Monte a Mod I'll have to seriously consider quitting

rolmos
03-16-2009, 08:24 PM
Hello SP World!!

Welcome to the first edition of the Archives Newsletter! I'm planning on writing a blog and newsletter once a week. The first thing that I want to talk to you about is my job and what we're doing. As a fan of the band for many years, I have always hoped the band would release old shows and demos. There are a lot of misconceptions out there that it would be so easy for the band to release (insert title here) show or demo. Now being on the other side, I can see that it is a lot more difficult to do that. There is a large process that we have to go through in order to get a recording ready to release. Looking through the archive, there is an overwhelming number of live and studio recordings. The first thing we have to do find something that is worthy of release. Since Billy has been focused on new things, work with the archive has been slow. This is where I come in. My job is to work in the archive and work on finding the best items to release. There is a lot to choose from. Some of the items being discussed are the 12/2/00 Metro show and the unfinished Adore Documentary. Aside from those two things, there is a mountain of great stuff. In the coming weeks, I'm going to be giving updates on the treasures I find.

The next subject that I want to talk about is the process on how to deliver this stuff to you. I want to expand on Billy's idea of a subscription service that I mentioned in the blog. Going through and finding material that is suitable for release is a very in-depth process. The idea of a subscription service is where you can sign up for a yearly subscription, and in return you will receive a guaranteed number of tracks and releases. These releases will be from all eras of the band. Some items may not be up to the quality of a professional release, and may be rawer sounding. This could mean a track of the band rehearsing that might not sound good enough for the general population, but Billy might say that it would be good for the subscription service. We would put it up because that is the only version of that song. This is for the type of fan that is interested in getting unreleased live and studio tracks. This is the Holy Grail. One example is that you'll pay $300 for the subscription, and we'll give you 200 releases. For those of you who don't want to sign up for a subscription, we'll still sell some material to you, but the subscription members will get it first. If you don't want to purchase anything, we are also looking at distributing some material for free. Basically, if you want to get everything, you want to take a look at the subscription service.

The reason why we're talking about a subscription model is that if the band just releases individual shows for sale, we wouldn't have a budget to work with to make it a long-term project. The subscription service would automatically give us a budget to prepare and distribute material to you. If you have any ideas or comments about the subscription service, please let me know. My e-mail is [email protected]. If you're on the message board, please voice your opinion on the SP Archive Project Forum in the Live Recordings/Collecting/Trading forum.

Frankhttp://www.astropampa.com/foros/images/smilies/icon_flower.gif

MonteLDS
03-16-2009, 08:36 PM
Perfection or bust

apetulantfrenzy
03-16-2009, 09:09 PM
Fail

deadbirdie
03-16-2009, 09:15 PM
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8510/herof.jpg

that's a pic of me in my vault.

woah, i haven't seen that Asselin guy in years!

Caine Walker
03-16-2009, 09:42 PM
$$$ or bust

fixed.

Electron52
03-16-2009, 10:08 PM
For $300, my expectations are super hee haw high. I would think $120 bucks a year or $10 a month would be more successful...

Corganist
03-16-2009, 11:23 PM
For $300, my expectations are super hee haw high. I would think $120 bucks a year or $10 a month would be more successful...

Yeah. With the band's long track record of stuff like this fizzling out not long after it gets out of the gate (if it even gets that far), I don't see how they would expect anyone to put forth that sort of money up front. I think they would have to build up quite a bit more good faith before they could start asking for that kind of price, especially if it's for a limited number of downloads. They had better have a ton of good stuff ready to go right out of the gate. They can't base it on "trust us, we've got good stuff in the vault we'll let you know about at some unknown future time!"

dustrock
03-17-2009, 12:19 AM
If they let the fans choose at least a couple of releases and we get flac, I might be willing to pay $300.00 for 200 releases.

if Billy & Jimmy are just going to trickle stuff out, I don't see the point, but then they wouldn't want to blow their wad all at once.

I agree with corganist or whoever that we'd need a list of what we're getting before putting up the money.

severin
03-17-2009, 03:32 AM
you see, billy being cool = giving out tapes/dats of unreleased cool material after a show to some guy he thinks is a taper. billy being in for the money = charging 300 bucks for "some unreleased songs" up front where nobody knows what he gets. that's just not going to work.

as much as i appreciate the fact that the vault has been entered (even though it's by frank "hey i was a taper but still let's rat/kick that other taper out of the show because i want to get up billy's ass as high as i can" quinto [and congrats frank, it worked!]), for me to give him any kind of money would involve not a subscription service, but a per download service. with lossless files and without drm. preferably the metro show in dvd-format with separate angels on every member ;), the double-door-soundboards, that one 1996 vienna, austria show i couldn't make for lack of tickets and stuff like this. the alternate adore, if it exists, demo tapes this kind of stuff, not some single tracks. and definitly not for >1usd/track

fuzzyroes
03-17-2009, 06:42 AM
Yeah no doubt. Whats gonna stop people from just sharing the files and passing em around for free? I guess the oboard mods would probably be creepin over here to see any threads about it or what not but there'd be tons of other really easy ways to get em out there.

It is a super bad ass idea though.. Although i find it hard to believe anyone with just an average wage would fork over that sorta money, as awsome as it would be to get all of it.

I'll probably just be the one who buys the seperate items they put out

Travis Meeks
03-17-2009, 07:15 AM
is there going to be a 30% Ticketmaster convenience charge added to each subscription?

Slurpee
03-17-2009, 08:27 AM
Oh, this is why Billy waited to put out the Metro DVD. Because he wanted to find a way to charge $300 for it.

sppunk
03-17-2009, 08:48 AM
Quite possibly one of the worst business models a band has ever imagined.

W2G

Mo
03-17-2009, 09:15 AM
Wait, $300 is a real number?! Holy shit.

Sonic Johnny
03-17-2009, 09:45 AM
Dude why blow all my money on this quinto dude when i can send my money to josh freese and we'll eat shrooms and drive around hollywood in danny carey's lamborghini.

wounded
03-17-2009, 10:48 AM
300 is way too much money for a year given that 1) as someone has mentioned, i'd be amazed if the band even kept interest in this for a year, 2) they are already qualifying that some of the material may sound like shit, which is fine, but not for 300 bucks.

who has 300 bucks upfront right now anyway. i agree, 10 bucks a month is reasonable and would get a lot more interest, 25 bucks a month or 300 a year is way too much. There needs to be a balance between making money and still fostering a fan community with this stuff because it could generate a lot of interest/discussion.

also throwing "the metro show" out there in the newsletter was a big mistake because that is what people's expectations are now.

Nimrod's Son
03-17-2009, 11:01 AM
so who is lining up to pay a band for recordings made by audience members

Thaniel Buckner
03-17-2009, 11:05 AM
so who is lining up to pay a band for recordings made by audience members
these are from billy's personal archive which means it's almost all soundboard recordings.

hnibos
03-17-2009, 11:56 AM
$300...

ryoga
03-17-2009, 01:02 PM
$300?! That's way too much. I was thinking that it would be around the $100/year range at most. It's too risky to spend that much money when you don't even know what you could be getting, especially when they admit that some of the recordings are bad. I would have preferred it if they provided a list and I could then preview and choose what songs I wanted to buy (like itunes) and maybe they could give a discount to people who wanted to buy a set of releases.

Thaniel Buckner
03-17-2009, 01:47 PM
300 dollars is a ridiculous price to pay for the scrubs that most of his fans tend to be.

that doesn't change the fact that there are however, a few rich ones will purchase this and happily distribute the recordings through whatever means. whatever money the project makes will ultimately be negligible once all the costs are factored in. i imagine quinto is working with a decent salary so he doesn't fuck up. i would also imagine the material has to be eq'd and mastered for official release. that takes time and time is money. once this material is released it will spread like wildfire through the non-oboard community and we'll all be happy it happened in a year.

jesus it's like you guys have no foresight. im on the mailing list even though im buying nothing.

Caine Walker
03-17-2009, 02:05 PM
you just have this aaaaalllllll figured out, don't you?

Thaniel Buckner
03-17-2009, 02:21 PM
im saying 300 bucks for 200 recordings, even if they are the 200 shittiest sp performances, is a decent price to pay if you're rich enough and bored enough. they aren't making these recording unavailable to people who can't afford them. people who can't afford them will have them once they are released anyway. so why not screw the bourgeois in the process.

this is so not in the realm of things billy has done to piss me off.

Esty
03-17-2009, 05:43 PM
I wonder if James/Darcy will be getting any of this cash. Anyone have an update on the lawsuit?

D.
03-17-2009, 09:03 PM
fuck shows, i wanna hear unreleased demos and studio songs we haven't heard or even heard of.

i couldn't give a shit less about shows.

sweet17
03-17-2009, 09:54 PM
$300 means that, assuming roughly 15 tracks per CD, there better be at least 20 CDs worth of stuff worth downloading in each and every year. If there's at least 20 CDs worth of stuff worth downloading, and it's made available in FLAC, I'll pay. Otherwise, it's absolutely a rip off.

If Frank and co. were smart about it, well before offering the chance to subscribe, they would make a list of the first... oh, 150 or so songs / material, at least, and let the fans decide if those tracks are worth the investment, give them time to get the money together, and allow interest in the product to build. But I have a hard time believing that anyone will blindly put down such a large sum of money for the "promise" that what you get will be worth it.

Especially since the e-mail also makes it clear that we can expect some of the material will be made available for free, for those whom are willing to wait and let subscribers get first crack.

CrabbMan
03-17-2009, 10:04 PM
Why all the pessimism? This is probably the coolest thing the band has done on the interwebs. Except the Gish chat, of course.

T&T
03-17-2009, 11:46 PM
we totally need to understand the costs of getting this stuff out.
i doubt the band (billy) is gonna front any money to get this ball rolling...
that 300$ is to cover those costs
if this was gonna be a 'fan' initiative, there would still be exorbitant costs.
so i recommend we do cool it with the negativity, not bite the hand that feeds
lets get the stuff out, and then we'll argue for the scraps.

but as constructive criticism... they'd better give us a list of at least some of what they plan on releasing before they ask us to pony up any kind of money.

sniffingchimp
03-18-2009, 06:12 AM
My only other experience with online archives is one that Josh Rouse has put up where 29.99 a year gets you full updates every month including a few new live gigs, unreleased demos, new recordings etc.

Now that’s a reasonable price. 300 bucks is ridiculous. Especially just for live gigs. Fuck that for a game of cock.

corgandreams
03-18-2009, 06:39 AM
we totally need to understand the costs of getting this stuff out.
i doubt the band (billy) is gonna front any money to get this ball rolling...
that 300$ is to cover those costs
if this was gonna be a 'fan' initiative, there would still be exorbitant costs.
so i recommend we do cool it with the negativity, not bite the hand that feeds
lets get the stuff out, and then we'll argue for the scraps.

but as constructive criticism... they'd better give us a list of at least some of what they plan on releasing before they ask us to pony up any kind of money.

I agree totally..........spot on.

Forgotten Child
03-18-2009, 10:02 AM
we totally need to understand the costs of getting this stuff out.
i doubt the band (billy) is gonna front any money to get this ball rolling...
that 300$ is to cover those costs
if this was gonna be a 'fan' initiative, there would still be exorbitant costs.
so i recommend we do cool it with the negativity, not bite the hand that feeds
lets get the stuff out, and then we'll argue for the scraps.

but as constructive criticism... they'd better give us a list of at least some of what they plan on releasing before they ask us to pony up any kind of money.

COST? $300?

How much money they spend leaking old files?

Really, I will pay nothing for .mp3 or even .flac files.

apetulantfrenzy
03-18-2009, 10:40 AM
Dude why blow all my money on this quinto dude when i can send my money to josh freese and we'll eat shrooms and drive around hollywood in danny carey's lamborghini.

:rock_on::2thumbsup:rockon:

T&T
03-18-2009, 12:09 PM
COST? $300?

How much money they spend leaking old files?

Really, I will pay nothing for .mp3 or even .flac files.
you're talking about leaking old files as is.
I'd be 100% all for this idea,
let us do our own de-clicking, re-mastering, sorting through the heaps uploaded

but this is clearly not what they're gonna try to do.
they're aiming at some form of quality control
some form of post processing to make it enjoyable for as many people
some of the old material is probably on 1/2" magnetic tape
some of it might be on 8track adat tapes
some of it might be on sata 2GB hard drives in protools III sessions
it's probably a fucking bloody mess.
something a professional archivist should take on, to make sure it gets done properly
and that's not gonna get done for free.


or maybe frank should just rip everything with his built in soundblaster card
with shitty vista dropouts, and awkward EQ balances
just throw in into Itunes Normalize, and add some pre-emphasis.
doesn't matter if it's gapless or not, and forget any form of tagging.
128mp3's should be fine.
:erm:

Mo
03-18-2009, 12:18 PM
^lol

Spaldz
03-18-2009, 02:02 PM
FLAC for 200 releases for $300 is pretty reasonable if you look at how much some bands charge. Again, the issue is is whether you have to pay that up front without knowing what you are getting. Billy wouldn't care if he ripped off all his fans by releasing stuff for a month and then cutting it and keeping the money.

I wouldn't pay that amount for mp3's though. Would be a fantastic collection to have though.

Pizza Club
03-18-2009, 02:44 PM
I will reserve my judgment on this until I have more information. I am for the general idea of releasing archive stuff through some kind of subscription fee.

LaBelle
03-18-2009, 02:49 PM
I like this project... just hope they dont go with streaming media that would be ridiculous

T&T
03-18-2009, 02:54 PM
what they should do it make a donation system, and for every "$$$" that gets donated, they upload something new to archive.org. free for anyone/everyone to download in multiple formats, and stream. the stuff's gonna get leaked/shared regardless.

Forgotten Child
03-18-2009, 03:00 PM
^^^^
Good idea! Send an e-mail to Quinto now.






I said NOW!

Spaldz
03-18-2009, 03:49 PM
the stuff's gonna get leaked/shared regardless.

Yeah that can't be something to put this project off. If you think logically, things will always be shared in this day and age. The difference is, if you keep the stuff hoarded and not shared to fans you won't make a single buck off of it. If its released you will make money off of it, but the people who download it wouldn't of bought it anyway so it doesn't make a difference. However, releasing will mean that money will be made whatever happens, and we all know Billy likes money. If its kept off of forums like what happened last time they released it was pretty successful all round.

Kahlo
03-18-2009, 04:40 PM
something a professional archivist should take on, to make sure it gets done properly

This was my major concern. I'm sure if BC (the audio perfectionist) trusts him with the files you lot can as well.

redbull
03-18-2009, 06:13 PM
that's an unbelievably scummy thing to do. when did that happen? i'm having second thoughts about sending money anywhere near this guy. that's just low.

please dig up the 4/19/04 billy solo show thread. may have happened at zwan shows too, but i'm not sure. he certainly wasn't helping tapers get in at davenport either

Nimrod's Son
03-18-2009, 06:28 PM
we totally need to understand the costs of getting this stuff out.
i doubt the band (billy) is gonna front any money to get this ball rolling...
that 300$ is to cover those costs
if this was gonna be a 'fan' initiative, there would still be exorbitant costs.
so i recommend we do cool it with the negativity, not bite the hand that feeds
lets get the stuff out, and then we'll argue for the scraps.

but as constructive criticism... they'd better give us a list of at least some of what they plan on releasing before they ask us to pony up any kind of money.
really all they need is a guy with an internet connection and a torrent file

$300 to cover costs? are you crazy? if i had these files - many of which are audience recorded, from what i hear - i could serve them and have them up for you all FOR FREE in a matter of hours.

Kahlo
03-18-2009, 06:41 PM
I think alot of them need to be cleaned up and mastered, and that is what you are paying for largely...it isn't just a case of getting FLAC files into a torrent.

wHATcOLOR
03-18-2009, 07:20 PM
This was my major concern. I'm sure if BC (the audio perfectionist) trusts him with the files you lot can as well.

really? (http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/jul/29/business/chi-corgan-sues-gurnee-filmmaker-jul29)

redbull
03-18-2009, 07:42 PM
so basically this will come out, get botched up, and then we will all download it from what.cd two days later

somaziro
03-18-2009, 08:22 PM
it will also be paying for his salary + his employees salaries if he gets audio techy guys. I would be perfectly happy paying like 50 bucks for 200 songs a year. 300 is a bit much.

rolmos
03-18-2009, 09:10 PM
what they should do it make a donation system, and for every "$$$" that gets donated, they upload something new to archive.org. free for anyone/everyone to download in multiple formats, and stream. the stuff's gonna get leaked/shared regardless.

I agree. I'd gladly donate if I knew it would bring in new material for the community. After purchasing livesp shows, I can live with downloading the archive material via torrents instead of paying the ridiculous amount Billy will probably ask for them.

Sebastian
03-19-2009, 02:51 AM
really all they need is a guy with an internet connection and a torrent file

$300 to cover costs? are you crazy? if i had these files - many of which are audience recorded, from what i hear - i could serve them and have them up for you all FOR FREE in a matter of hours.

Of course you could do that. But I'd rather pay a few dollars (although not as much as 300) to get more or less professionally mastered recordings. Also, even if they choose to distribute the files via BitTorrent, remember that they have to at least run a tracker and a client for seeding. This costs them money. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

I don't think a donation system will work. At least it won't work for me. I wouldn't donate just so that some of you guys can legally download the same stuff for free.

And to the people openly announcing to just download the stuff from what.cd: I'm surprised BC is still even considering the release of all that material with such an attitude from a number of fans. If you really need to steal from the band, at least STFU about it and don't jeopardise this for the rest of us.

Reyngel
03-19-2009, 08:53 AM
And to the people openly announcing to just download the stuff from what.cd: I'm surprised BC is still even considering the release of all that material with such an attitude from a number of fans. If you really need to steal from the band, at least STFU about it and don't jeopardise this for the rest of us.




I think the "I'm just going to download the free torrents" response from people is just a natural reaction to the blind-$300 idea. People are frustrated with it, and are taking the "forget that, I'll just get it for free then" approach.

Pizza Club
03-19-2009, 10:06 AM
I think the "I'm just going to download the free torrents" response from people is just a natural reaction to the blind-$300 idea. People are frustrated with it, and are taking the "forget that, I'll just get it for free then" approach.

Agreed. I don't have a problem paying for music. If Billy tries to pull one over on us though, that's a different story.

dustrock
03-19-2009, 10:50 AM
Does Quinto have the chops to clean up and master recordings, or is he going to be more of the manager of the project?

RenewRevive
03-19-2009, 12:34 PM
ask frank!

franzel
03-19-2009, 05:21 PM
i personally think this could go either way. either we pay a shitload of money for stupid live recordings and everyone will feel screwed. or we pay a decent amount for the stuff we really want like the chicago songs, djali zwan, last metro show, unreleased demo's and that adore documentary sounds awesome as well. im also very curious what other unreleased treasures are in that vault.

so:
300 bucks for live recordings = awful
100 bucks for real gems = awesome

sweet17
03-20-2009, 12:04 AM
If they really are audience recordings they intend to release, they should save themselves the hassle (and myself the money) of having them EQ'd. If I shit in an awesome bowl of soup, you can try as hard as you want to take the turd out, but the soup's still going to taste shitty.

Corganist
03-20-2009, 12:30 AM
If they really are audience recordings they intend to release, they should save themselves the hassle (and myself the money) of having them EQ'd. If I shit in an awesome bowl of soup, you can try as hard as you want to take the turd out, but the soup's still going to taste shitty.

The only way I think it would be acceptable to release audience recordings is if they're recordings that are not in circulation. I'm thinking things along the lines of the Zwan Hideout recordings. Otherwise, I don't think they should be messing with audience recordings at all.

Strangely, I think I'd find this idea worth the exorbitant price being thrown about so long as it includes non-SP material. To me, an archive of everything Billy's done post-2000 might just be worth paying 300 bucks for by itself. Maybe it's just because at this point it's hard to know just how much truly great stuff is left to hear from the 1988-2000 era. There could be a lot, but who knows right now? Whereas with the 2000-2008 era, we can assume that there's a pretty large treasure trove of stuff to pick from.

Rairun
03-20-2009, 04:47 AM
Yeah, with the exception of the final metro show, I'm not really excited about recordings from 1988-2000. There's plenty of stuff out there that I haven't listened to yet. But I'd love to have soundboard recordings of all four djali zwan shows, and also the demos they might have recorded. I want the Chicago songs too.

I kind of suspect this will be an SP-only thing, though. It would be a shame.

Kahlo
03-20-2009, 05:03 AM
I'm not really bothered about live shows at all to be honest. It is rare tracks/vids/docs that I would love to see.

cjs42079
03-20-2009, 10:13 AM
no one ever said they were possibly releasing old audience recordings, why do you nerds keep talking about it? :banging:

IWishIWasBlank
03-20-2009, 10:26 AM
CUZ I READ WHAT I WANT IT TO SAY, NOT WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS!

ASDFLOLJKROLFMOPSQWERTY!@!@$!*&(*&(#62968

Same people who read a newspaper and draw some wild conclusion out of nothing, just because they either like or dislike whoever is the subject of said article.

seign
03-20-2009, 02:17 PM
if i had these files - many of which are audience recorded, from what i hear - i could serve them and have them up for you all FOR FREE in a matter of hours.

Where the hell did you hear that most of these are audience recordings? It's common knowledge that Billy has been recording all of his own shows since at least the Mellon Collie tour.

And the whole $300 thing isn't even an official number yet people. From that message, it sounded like Frank was just thinking out loud. Not only that but, if it does end up costing that much, there is no need to jump in and buy the subscription package blindly, before knowing what is going to be released. You could always wait until some of the recordings are made available before spending the cash on a subscription. It's not like they're going to stop taking subscriptions after the first round of recordings start circulating.

Some of you guys (and girls) complain about the lamest shit. Billy has finally decided to "open the vaults", and you all have to nitpick over details that aren't even official yet or are just flat out not true. This has the potential to be one of the greatest things to happen for the SP community in over a decade. Lets sit back for a minute and see how things play out before we start with the whine-fest.

severin
03-20-2009, 02:50 PM
And the whole $300 thing isn't even an official number yet people. From that message, it sounded like Frank was just thinking out loud.

if that is the case, than frank should stop thinking loud pretty fast. this is the official newsletter from the official archivist of the band announcing an official program to release archival stuff. when this guy mentions an amount, this amount either has been subject of discussion, or the guy's future in the project should be subject of discussion.

T&T
03-20-2009, 04:17 PM
^^^
but that's why frank is so loved around here.

Rairun
03-21-2009, 04:19 AM
Smashing Pumpkins dot com | archivist (http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/pages/articles/archivist)

"From there, because of the existing relationship, if the band was looking for a certain recording, they would ask me if I had a copy; if I didn't, I often had access to one," he adds, pointing to one such occurrence. "During the Zwan era, the "Djali Zwan" incarnation of the band played two shows in Indianapolis, but, for some reason, they weren't able to make their own tape of the shows; the only existing recordings were from the audience."

This kind of sucks. Hopefully they taped the Grand Rapids shows properly.

redbull
03-21-2009, 04:28 AM
Though Frank established himself as a reputable taper within the community, the relationship he eventually developed with the band and their entourage allowed him to make much more significant contributions to the Pumpkins' world.:rofl:

Spaldz
03-21-2009, 08:22 AM
Maybe Frank told Billy to get rid of Jimmy as Jimmy wanted to release something for free..

markpregen
03-23-2009, 02:59 PM
Archive update #2 is out

apetulantfrenzy
03-23-2009, 03:00 PM
Hello again,

Welcome to the second Archive Newsletter. I am now entering the third week on the job, and I just want to say that I’m really excited about the project. I want to get into the more technical details about the archive. One of the biggest problems with storing media that is over 20 years old is tape deterioration. One example of this is the Ignoffo Demos. Mark Ignoffo was a studio engineer that worked with the band in 1988-89. The band would record demos at Reel Time Studios and then sell them at shows. The Moon Demo was a demo tape that was sold at shows in 1989 for $5. The songs from this period would ******* Stars Fall In, Daughter, and Bye June. These songs have been widely bootlegged out, but the quality has been questionable because many of these were sourced from old cassette tapes. The band has the original reels from those recording sessions in the archive. Throughout the years, these tapes have started to deteriorate and flake. Recently, the band has started to rescue these recordings. A technique to rescue tapes that are starting to flake is through baking. The tapes would be placed in an oven, and baked for a specific period of time. This restores the tape so that it can be transferred. In these cases, we often have one chance to transfer the tape before the tape is lost for good. The Ignoffo Demos were baked for 72 hours! Then they ran them through Pro Tools at 24-bit/96kHz, and the outcome was amazing. They sound so much better than the bootlegged versions that fans have. This would definitely be an upgrade if you already have these songs.

The next step is to rescue other tapes and reels that have started to deteriorate. All of the material in the archive is stored in a climate controlled environment in order to preserve them, and slow down the effects of time. Tapes and reels aren’t the only material that we have to carefully monitor. Paper is another concern for us. I’m currently going through and cataloging the band’s posters. I have found some early posters from the Gish era, and there are a few that have started to show their age. A way to combat this is to store them in acid-free polyester Mylar sleeves. The Library of Congress also uses the same types of sleeves for archival storage. I’m creating a system that will catalog and preserve all of the posters and artwork from the band. Eventually this system will ******* all of the promotional material that I’ve talked about in my recent blog post. I hope this sheds some light on what we’ve been doing. I’ll talk to you all next week!

Frank

Slurpee
03-23-2009, 03:01 PM
Yeah, it sounds like they are putting some real effort into this. I'm already highly intrigued by the RTS upgrades.

ryoga
03-23-2009, 03:08 PM
Is Frank doing the conservation work? I didn't realize that he was a trained professional in that field.

markpregen
03-23-2009, 03:13 PM
What's the deal with this

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sppunk
03-23-2009, 03:31 PM
The deal is they don't understand what a newsletter is.

Brute Squad
03-23-2009, 03:51 PM
Is Frank doing the conservation work? I didn't realize that he was a trained professional in that field.

He's not.

ravenguy2000
03-23-2009, 03:53 PM
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:rofl:

prozacship
03-23-2009, 05:15 PM
bullocks

Andy /
03-23-2009, 05:19 PM
What's the deal with this

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guys, they don't want people who don't want to know to know, you know?

duh.

T&T
03-23-2009, 05:22 PM
can someone post the 3ed newsletter?

Spaldz
03-23-2009, 06:34 PM
wtf we are baking old Pumpkins recordings.

1100ww
03-23-2009, 06:36 PM
can someone post the 3ed newsletter?

It basically just gushes over the Reel Time Sessions....demos that everyone's already heard a long time ago. :/

Meh.

paranoid
03-23-2009, 06:36 PM
i hope jimmy doesn't file a lawsuit and stop this happening now.

i hope he does then starts a band with james and calls it jimmy iha window complex.

that would rule.

wHATcOLOR
03-23-2009, 06:39 PM
Frank "rat bastard" Quinto: "It's flake and bake, and I helped! ahyuck!"

IWishIWasBlank
03-23-2009, 09:41 PM
wtf we are baking old Pumpkins recordings.

I'd rather get baked and listen to old pumpkins recordings. Who's with me?

1100ww
03-23-2009, 10:22 PM
:rofl:

Ugly
03-23-2009, 11:15 PM
Wake me when he says what's up with a soundboard recording of Dec. 2000 Metro.

TheMilstead
03-24-2009, 12:51 AM
Wake me when he says what's up with a DVD torrent of Dec. 2000 Metro.

TheMilstead
03-24-2009, 12:53 AM
Quinto knows what's out there as far as demos and stuff goes. I'd rather see him release something we don't have first than reissue upgrades; that should come later.

waltermcphilp
03-24-2009, 12:57 AM
Quinto knows what's out there as far as demos and stuff goes. I'd rather see him release something we don't have first than reissue upgrades; that should come later.

QFT

TheMilstead
03-24-2009, 12:58 AM
What? We'd still get something.

Brute Squad
03-24-2009, 02:04 AM
I like what Ugly and TheMilstead have said.

Also, mark me down for when 1/15/1998 SBD leaks.

Cool As Ice Cream
03-24-2009, 06:25 AM
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i'm praying for all of you, whether you have Christ or not. I pray for peace, unity and love. We love the greatest band of our time... we're already far ahead of the others who have yet to discover the brilliance that is SP!

cjs42079
03-24-2009, 01:39 PM
Quinto, WTF? I appreciate getting the old tapes baked and transferred, but this news about the Reel Time Sessions is rather lame. We have a pretty good DAT source of that already that is 10x better than what the band used to give out on cassette.

This isn't exactly getting people excited about the Archive/subscription/$300 deal.

You heard it here first - Quinto will hoard the good stuff form the archive and just release generic stuff we don't really want!

Wasabi
03-24-2009, 05:25 PM
can someone post the 3ed newsletter?

We got a 3rd ball of batherdom?

markpregen
03-30-2009, 05:06 PM
3rd "email" update is out

redbull
03-30-2009, 05:10 PM
can someone post the email update

Elvis The Fat Years
03-30-2009, 05:14 PM
Hello SP World,

Hello again from the archives! I hope everybody had a good weekend. I would like to dive into the subscription service idea a bit more. It looks like there are a couple major artists that are also jumping on the subscription service idea for releasing music. I touched on Neil Young and Prince in my recent blog post. I would like to go into further details about the pros and cons of what they're doing and how it will relate to what we're going to do. Neil Young's Archives set isn't marketed as a subscription service, but they do offer additional download content if you buy the $300 Blu-ray edition. The good thing that they're doing is using Blu-ray technology, because of the high-definition picture and sound quality. It is the best quality consumer technology that is available right now. The way they are going to deliver additional content is through a technology called BD Live. That is where you hook up your Blu-ray player to your Internet connection, and the player will download additional content and features and place them in an interactive timeline on your Blu-ray player. This is a very innovative idea, but I had a few questions when I first read about it. The first thing is that they don't list what additional content is available and they don't list a schedule of delivery. They leave that topic open by stating that future shows, songs, and pictures will be delivered through this technology. The next concern I had was with the BD Live solution that they are using. Many people listen to music on their computers, portable music players, and old fashioned CD players. There are also many people who listen to music in their cars. It seems with the Neil Young set, you can only hear that additional content on your Blu-ray player.

Prince also announced a subscription site for the release of his three latest albums: Lotusflow3r, Mplsound, and Elixer. He put up a cryptic website where you had to solve a riddle in order to sign up. The service costs $77 a year and includes a digital download of the three new albums, a t-shirt, information about concert tickets, and various extras on the website. He also sold all three albums exclusively at Target for a price of $11.99 for the bundle. Many fans are crying foul because most of the extras that are on the website were already available through other channels.

When Neil Young announced his Archives box set, they were very detailed about what was included in the set, but they were vague about the extras that will come down the pipeline at a later time. Prince's service on the other hand doesn't go into much detail in what you get for the yearly subscription besides the digital downloads of his newest albums. What we want to do for the SP Archives is look at all of these concerns and create a service that will offer content that is accessible to many different people. If you listen to your music in your car or on your digital portable player, you should be given that option. Also, if you are going to spend the money on our subscription service, you should have a heads up on what to expect. Of course there could be surprises along the way, but you will have an idea on what to expect when you sign up. I just want to reiterate that we are looking at all angles, options, and concerns as we look at a subscription service. As always, I do encourage all of you to voice your thoughts in the SP Archive Project Forum on SP.com and through e-mail at [email protected].

Have a good week!

'Rat Bastard' Frank


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Thaniel Buckner
03-30-2009, 05:15 PM
Hello SP World,

Hello again from the archives! I hope everybody had a good weekend. I would like to dive into the subscription service idea a bit more. It looks like there are a couple major artists that are also jumping on the subscription service idea for releasing music. I touched on Neil Young and Prince in my recent blog post. I would like to go into further details about the pros and cons of what they're doing and how it will relate to what we're going to do. Neil Young's Archives set isn't marketed as a subscription service, but they do offer additional download content if you buy the $300 Blu-ray edition. The good thing that they're doing is using Blu-ray technology, because of the high-definition picture and sound quality. It is the best quality consumer technology that is available right now. The way they are going to deliver additional content is through a technology called BD Live. That is where you hook up your Blu-ray player to your Internet connection, and the player will download additional content and features and place them in an interactive timeline on your Blu-ray player. This is a very innovative idea, but I had a few questions when I first read about it. The first thing is that they don't list what additional content is available and they don't list a schedule of delivery. They leave that topic open by stating that future shows, songs, and pictures will be delivered through this technology. The next concern I had was with the BD Live solution that they are using. Many people listen to music on their computers, portable music players, and old fashioned CD players. There are also many people who listen to music in their cars. It seems with the Neil Young set, you can only hear that additional content on your Blu-ray player.

Prince also announced a subscription site for the release of his three latest albums: Lotusflow3r, Mplsound, and Elixer. He put up a cryptic website where you had to solve a riddle in order to sign up. The service costs $77 a year and includes a digital download of the three new albums, a t-shirt, information about concert tickets, and various extras on the website. He also sold all three albums exclusively at Target for a price of $11.99 for the bundle. Many fans are crying foul because most of the extras that are on the website were already available through other channels.

When Neil Young announced his Archives box set, they were very detailed about what was included in the set, but they were vague about the extras that will come down the pipeline at a later time. Prince's service on the other hand doesn't go into much detail in what you get for the yearly subscription besides the digital downloads of his newest albums. What we want to do for the SP Archives is look at all of these concerns and create a service that will offer content that is accessible to many different people. If you listen to your music in your car or on your digital portable player, you should be given that option. Also, if you are going to spend the money on our subscription service, you should have a heads up on what to expect. Of course there could be surprises along the way, but you will have an idea on what to expect when you sign up. I just want to reiterate that we are looking at all angles, options, and concerns as we look at a subscription service. As always, I do encourage all of you to voice your thoughts in the SP Archive Project Forum on SP.com and through e-mail at [email protected].

Have a good week!

Frank


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redbull
03-30-2009, 05:21 PM
looks like quinto is set on a subscription service. so much for me paying for this shit.

Corganist
03-30-2009, 08:00 PM
I'm fine with the subscription service idea as long as it's reasonable. I just hope the comparisons to Prince and Neil Young are about figuring out how to get us the most for our money, instead of "if Prince charges 77 bucks a year for shit you can get elsewhere, then it's okay for us to charge 300 bucks a year because we'll actually deliver exclusive content."

T&T
03-31-2009, 12:16 AM
they clearly don't know what the fuck is going to happen
and my money is that nothing ever happens.
:(

zbeast78
03-31-2009, 02:57 PM
yeah, let's count the abandoned projects over the years:

EP releases
chicago songs
djali zwan (in fairness, band broke up)
gish box set
era tours

i'm sure i'm forgetting some good ones.

DaveKShape
03-31-2009, 03:12 PM
ten bucks says quinto doesn't make it through the end of this year. remember the pumpkin queen and the various myspace city groups/meet-and-greets?

srt4b
03-31-2009, 05:07 PM
my post from Oboard:

LOL @ Blu Ray. Have you inquired about the DRM fees that the BDA charges just to get the smallest run of a BD release?

The only people who this hurts is the paying consumer. Pirates are always a step ahead and a BD can be ripped/re encoded/uploaded in an hour or so.

Just sell MP3's and mpg4 videos for download if you are so hell bent on making cash of this project.

T&T
03-31-2009, 05:25 PM
they've done their research
and 'smart' isn't their demographic.

it's prince and neil young fans.

zbeast78
04-01-2009, 02:03 PM
yeah sell mp3's that the smartest thing I've ever heard. :rolleyes:

might as well sell us mp2's

i'd take 320kb mp3s; if it was a boatload of stuff no one has heard, and didn't cost an arm and a leg. i'd definitely pay a few bucks for entire recordings of all the mellon collie session recordings (pasticio medley tracks). but yeah, not 300 bucks.

Elvis The Fat Years
04-01-2009, 02:17 PM
mp3HD lossless codec arrives (http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/17321.cfm)

why not mp3hd guyz1?!1?

Rairun
04-01-2009, 10:23 PM
They should make The Leaving Lament, Psalm 131, etc. available. All those residency songs that aren't on the If All Goes Wrong bonus disk.

TheMilstead
04-01-2009, 11:28 PM
mp3HD lossless codec arrives (http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/17321.cfm)

why not mp3hd guyz1?!1?

I thought it was gonna be all "April Fools!" until I saw the date of the announcement was March 21. :(

Why have an oversized MP3 when you can just make an audio player that supports FLAC? Pointless.

Of course, if it catches on it'll only be because it has both "MP3" and "HD" in the title.

Pizza Club
04-01-2009, 11:37 PM
my post from Oboard:

Just sell MP3's and mpg4 videos for download if you are so hell bent on making cash of this project.

Go back to the Oboard. You are an idiot.

Ugly
04-01-2009, 11:55 PM
Just give me Dec. 2000 Metro show and go burn in Hell Quinto you fuck.

PkPhuoko
04-02-2009, 12:27 AM
lmfao what an ignorant fuck. He's under the impression the smashing pumpkins have a fan base comparable to prince or neil young. For $300 I'd be shocked if 500 people would pay for it.

I look forward to some loser paying for this shit and then making it available for me to download for free via rapidshit.

The only thing that will work effectively, as someone mentioned, would be a donation campaign. IE the community raises $5000 and we get a show.

Cool As Ice Cream
04-02-2009, 03:38 AM
i'd take 320kb mp3s; if it was a boatload of stuff no one has heard, and didn't cost an arm and a leg. i'd definitely pay a few bucks for entire recordings of all the mellon collie session recordings (pasticio medley tracks). but yeah, not 300 bucks.
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the entire recordings of all the mcis session recordings??? i think $300 would be a bargain. must be a couple of weeks of music.

markpregen
04-20-2009, 04:43 PM
archive update #6 is out with some actually unique information

I just want to know if they're talking about audio only releases for purchase or if they will have some DVD/video (i.e. metro) releases too