Just curious as to where netphoria stands on this issue

i need more so i can really kill everyone in the world

They make me feel like a big man.

not trying to start a debate, just polling some different communities to get a feel for where i stand within the different groups that i interface with

how very interesting.

how very interesting.

?

not trying to start a debate

<h1>WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF WUSS?</h1>

I don't own a gun.
I won't be allowed to own a gun for another ten years (that comes with refusing to do military service in Austria).
I will never buy a gun.
I will never touch a gun.

American

<h1>WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF WUSS?</h1>

ok fine debate if you want

I don't own a gun.
I won't be allowed to own a gun for another ten years (that comes with refusing to do military service in Austria).


thats a pretty interesting law that i have never heard of

I bet there's a lot of stuff you've never heard of.

jczeroman to thread to tell us your stupid opinion about guns and killing people and your right to kill people and how you want to shoot people and kill them

I bet there's a lot of stuff you've never heard of.

is that supposed to be some sort of insult? you could pretty much safely say that to anyone

I dunno but you're boring me.

Take a position and defend it.

Should be a public poll.

I have a gun, and I want more. I enjoy shooting at the range for fun.

And you need to own guns to shoot them for fun at the range? Seems like hell of a waste of money to me.

One of our friends had to sell his .22, and he gave us a good deal. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have.

I rent 9mm's from time to time (I like more kick), probably won't buy one anytime soon.

And you need to own guns to shoot them for fun at the range? Seems like hell of a waste of money to me.

Shooting stuff in abandoned buildings, in backyards, in garbage dumps, things you float out into the middle of a lake to shoot, et cetera.

Right... You people really have nothing better to do, do you?

It's either that or bullseye womp rats back home in my T16.

Fucking Europeans

I think we should invade.

Fucking Europeans

I think we should invade.

Just wait a few years and you will be able to rescue us from some fascist regime for sure.

I don't own a gun.
I won't be allowed to own a gun for another ten years (that comes with refusing to do military service in Austria).
I will never buy a gun.
I will never touch a gun.
Yes, let's keep them solely in the hands of the criminals and government. That will keep us all safe.

Oh thank God, Mike's here.


Besides - safety through (privately owned) guns... nah, I don't see it happening.

Just wait a few years and you will be able to rescue us from some fascist regime for sure.

last i read in the economist the Hader movement was waning

maybe i misread, it's possible

Yes, let's keep them solely in the hands of the criminals and government. That will keep us all safe.

Well... technically we have a government to protect us from criminals, so to give guns to people other than the military is redundant and therefore inefficient in the ways of criminal protection.

Hello yet another 2934 page thread. We need an abortion thread, gay marriage thread, a religion thread, aaaaannd... let's see... a pubic ha- oh wait. A circumcision thread. There we go.

If I ever move to a rural environment I will absolutely get some guns again. Coyotes and other such nasty creatures need to be dealt with.

I don't own a gun.
I won't be allowed to own a gun for another ten years (that comes with refusing to do military service in Austria).

Dude. That is awesome.

Well... technically we have a government to protect us from criminals, so to give guns to people other than the military is redundant and therefore inefficient in the ways of criminal protection.

If the government were 100% effective in this I would agree with you.

last i read in the economist the Hader movement was waning

maybe i misread, it's possible

Sure, Haider's dead and his followers are fricken morons. But there are enough right-wing fucktards around.

Though I don't believe it will be another Austrian bringing down Europe this time - France is way overdue.

I live in a crime-free society now. Guns are bad.

Nothing is ever 100% effective, especially not against crime.

i don't even like to handle big knives so i don't imagine i'd do too well with guns. i also don't like the thought of other people carrying them, but whatever. just don't shoot me, please.

I live in a crime-free society now. Guns are bad.

serious?

If I ever move to a rural environment I will absolutely get some guns again. Coyotes and other such nasty creatures need to be dealt with.

Or any number of today's modern super animals, such as the flying squirrel and the electric eel.

Dude. That is awesome.

How so.

i don't even like to handle big knives

Take that Walker! OOOOOHHHH!!!

We should outlaw all guns but give everyone a katana blade and train children how to use them in all levels of school.

Well... technically we have a government to protect us from criminals, so to give guns to people other than the military is redundant and therefore inefficient in the ways of criminal protection.

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another gun thread? I saw this coming after the boob one.

I used to wait at that bart station every day years ago.

serious?

No.

How do you feel about my katana proposal JC

tractor pulls, anyone?

I'll pull your tractor.

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something tells me that he'd still be dead if he'd had a gun on him.

How so.

Because you refused to do military service. That is an admiral thing - to stand up to your government even with the real possibility of consequences.

something tells me that he'd still be dead if he'd had a gun on him.

NO WAY

seven other people would be dead

How do you feel about my katana proposal JC

I wouldn't trust people to own katanas.

I would never personally be interested in owning a gun. I grew up with guns in the house, but my father works for the government so he's required to wear one on the job. He also had another gun for shooting grackles in the tree outside of our house when there was still a cow-field behind us. That I was perfectly fine with.

I wouldn't trust people to own katanas.

man it would be totally sweet though

also I would much rather guns not get into the hands of criminals. they should have things like butter knives :D

i had to look up what a grackle is but why would you want to shoot one

They're pests in Texas.

guns make me horny.
i wanna fuck you wit the bullets.
automatic. semi.

Because you refused to do military service. That is an admiral thing - to stand up to your government even with the real possibility of consequences.

Erm, no. If I had refused any service I would have to face consequences, but here in Austria we have a choice - 6 months of military service or 8 months of alternative civilian service. For historical reasons the only officially accepted motives for choosing the latter are "ethical concerns", hence no guns for antipop.

something tells me that he'd still be dead if he'd had a gun on him.

This is not my point. My point is that the government is not there to protect us. The idea that I should trust my life, my family and my stuff to a fat 40-something named "Barry" who gets a government salary and has no incentive to serve me - is ludicrous.

man it would be totally sweet though

Yes, but only if everyone also had ninja suits. And maybe throwing-stars.


And not those crappy origami ones.

i had to look up what a grackle is but why would you want to shoot one

because our area was overpopulated with them and they are obnoxiously loud.

Erm, no. If I had refused any service I would have to face consequences, but here in Austria we have a choice - 6 months of military service or 8 months of alternative civilian service. For historical reasons the only officially accepted motives for choosing the latter are "ethical concerns", hence no guns for antipop.

good "choice" there.

I still think it is decent that you at least took a less overtly violent route.

Erm, no. If I had refused any service I would have to face consequences, but here in Austria we have a choice - 6 months of military service or 8 months of alternative civilian service. For historical reasons the only officially accepted motives for choosing the latter are "ethical concerns", hence no guns for antipop.

Is there anything else you aren't allowed to do?

This is not my point. My point is that the government is not there to protect us. The idea that I should trust my life, my family and my stuff to a fat 40-something named "Barry" who gets a government salary and has no incentive to serve me - is ludicrous.

i dunno, man. i don't have that much faith in the police force's ability to protect me. but i also don't see a need for me to have a gun. if someone really wants to rob me or kill me, then that'll suck. but i'm not scared enough of that happening to justify wanting to have a gun with me all the time. shit happens, and i might not be prepared for all of it. but i don't see how that's a great justification for needing to carry a weapon.

maybe i'm just a pussy.

good "choice" there.

I still think it is decent that you at least took a less overtly violent route.

Me too.


Is there anything else you aren't allowed to do?

I don't think so. Except taking jobs where I'd need guns or rifles, of course.
Oh yeah, and my late grandfather called me "unpatriotic" several times.

maybe i'm just a pussy.

Not really.

I want a minigun just to kill people with though so you know.

i dunno, man. i don't have that much faith in the police force's ability to protect me. but i also don't see a need for me to have a gun. if someone really wants to rob me or kill me, then that'll suck. but i'm not scared enough of that happening to justify wanting to have a gun with me all the time. shit happens, and i might not be prepared for all of it. but i don't see how that's a great justification for needing to carry a weapon.

Oh yes, I totally agree with you. God knows I didn't want to carry my guns around. My ideal society is not one where everyone's some vigilante with a shotgun and a box of shells in their closet. I just think people who want to <i>defend</i> themselves in this way should be allowed to do so. And I think that the fact that some people will chose to do this will also benefit the people around them more than it will put them at risk.

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I'd do Karina Vargas.

I'd imagine the guys who go out and buy 20 handguns to "protect" their families would've handled the situation better than the government, huh? And besides, you're in England right now, so if anything I should be threatening you and your nonexistent king with my gun to keep you out of my face. Honestly, I'd rather have guns in the hands of asshole cops than asshole rednecks. I say this as a gun owner.

there's also the fact that any old joker that can legally get a gun quite often doesn't learn how to properly use it. and you have to worry about some scared guy firing his gun at the wrong times. or a thug shooting whoever he so chooses because it makes him feel like a badass. etc etc so on and so fourth.

Yes, but only if everyone also had ninja suits. And maybe throwing-stars.


And not those crappy origami ones.

I was thinking...

<img src="http://www.geocities.com/ominobu/samurai_1890.jpg">

I'd do Karina Vargas.

Wait is she related to Elizabeth Vargas. Unf... what happened to her?

I'd imagine the guys who go out and buy 20 handguns to "protect" their families would've handled the situation better than the government, huh? And besides, you're in England right now, so if anything I should be threatening you and your nonexistent king with my gun to keep you out of my face. Honestly, I'd rather have guns in the hands of asshole cops than asshole rednecks. I say this as a gun owner.

No, maybe not that situation, we'll never know. I'm just saying I think it is reckless to set-up a society where one group of people get all of the physical power. These people happen to be the same group that makes all laws. Oh, yes and the only people allowed to interpret these laws. And enforce them. And they are the only arbiter in disputes that involve themselves. Call me crazy - but I don't think this is going to be stable in the long-run.

I was thinking...

YES!

Now you're on board with my samuraization programme

No, maybe not that situation, we'll never know. I'm just saying I think it is reckless to set-up a society where one group of people get all of the physical power. These people happen to be the same group that makes all laws. Oh, yes and the only people allowed to interpret these laws. And enforce them. And they are the only arbiter in disputes that involve themselves. Call me crazy - but I don't think this is going to be stable in the long-run.


I won't defend cops; they piss me off. But in an elected government those people in power represent the people. If you vote right then you don't have to worry about government oppression. ...Unless you like oppression.

If you vote right then you don't have to worry about government oppression. ...Unless you like oppression.

Somehow, I just don't think it's that simple. Maybe I'm over-thinking it.

But then again, I would probably trust people with guns before I'd trust them to vote for this monopoly power system that is somehow going to just restrain itself out of the goodness of it's heart.

I'm oppressed.

The gov't won't let me have a missile launcher.

Help, help! I'm being oppressed!

:erm:

I'm oppressed.

The gov't won't let me have a missile launcher.

You should be able to have a missile launcher. Why does the government have a right to pre-emptively assume you will commit a crime or be negligent. Is this not the same justification for invading Iraq or Iran? Or racial profiling? Or banning drugs and alcohol?

If you use a missile launcher or make credible aggressive threats with said launcher, then I hope they toss you in jail and throw away the key. But you aren't guilty of homicidal missile launching just because you have the capacity to do it.

But then again, I would probably trust people with guns before I'd trust them to vote for this monopoly power system that is somehow going to just restrain itself out of the goodness of it's heart.

I trust myself to vote enough to control that government and prevent my neighbors from accidentally firing a bullet through one of my walls into the side of my head. Of course, my neighbors voted for Bush when he was running for reelection... so the issue here isn't the government at all so much as irresponsible people in general. We need to focus our efforts on irresponsibility.

We can start by seriously addressing this samuraization proposal.

i could get a gun pretty easily here.
going the official way is pretty hard, which is modertaly reassuring I guess, cause they make it pretty hard in SA. But as I said, I could get a gun pretty easy and I'm a stupid suburban white guy. So yeah.

i could get a gun pretty easily here.
going the official way is pretty hard, which is modertaly reassuring I guess, cause they make it pretty hard in SA. But as I said, I could get a gun pretty easy and I'm a stupid suburban white guy. So yeah.

case-in-point.

I hear you can get an AK in Africa for 20 dollars. My source may or may not be extremely hot singer/songwriter M.I.A.

20 dollars is how much in rand at the moment?
like, R300?

nah, more then that.

We need to focus our efforts on irresponsibility.

Individual responsibility is inherently, by definition, an intrinsic value. The answer is not for "us" to focus on other people's responsibility - this is not physically possible. Even externalities such as laws, punishment, etc... are only going to, at best, mask irresponsibility (by surface compliance) and at worst create power-structures where such irresponsible people now are in a much greater position to externalise their irresponsibility onto innocents.

Rather it is for us to be responsible ourselves. We need to non-aggressively promote the kind of peaceful, well-ordered, responsible lifestyle and set a good example.

If you use a missile launcher or make credible aggressive threats with said launcher, then I hope they toss you in jail and throw away the key. But you aren't guilty of homicidal missile launching just because you have the capacity to do it.

Seriously though bro...uh you know I'd rather people go "i don't care what you want it for you're not getting a missile launcher" just to save the dozen or so people from the explosion...you know?

This is the longest I've spent on this website in one session in years.

I'M DOING MY BEST.

if I had like R1500 or maybe R2000 and I was serious about getting an AK i probably could.

I'M DOING MY BEST.

Yea, well it's way past my bedtime. Fortunately no sex for a few days so I'm not missing anything worth going to bed for.

i remember hashing this out pretty well in some other old thread (started by *************?).

i remember hashing this out pretty well in some other old thread (started by *************?).

This is the first time I can remember talking about guns on netphoria. Someone should start an abortion thread - we've neglected that for too long.

dammit is that old thread still around somewheres. i was making awesome points.

lol

I think a mormon may have started it. Not sure.

Fortunately no sex for a few days so I'm not missing anything worth going to bed for.
you really have been married a while

i own one of these:
http://www.innovativetactical.com/catalog/images/colt/4c97o6l52t02.jpg
and one of these:
http://www.eliteukforces.info/images/sas/browning-high-power.jpg

here is some spin from an article that has been floating around the internet for a few years:
A Little Gun History Lesson (http://www.rense.com/general81/ligun.htm)

- i know that is quite spun up, but i have never heard any other argument from an anti-gun person that refutes it..




I own the guns that i do because i am an engineer and am intrigued with how mechanical things work. A well made firearm is an incredibly intricate, fascinating machine to me.. just like a motorcycle or an airplane in my mind.. and i love to work on them and learn about how they work.

they are also fun to shoot at the range.

I don't take them to be a serious method of self protection, because i do not carry them around outside of my home, and keep them locked up within my home. If someone was breaking in, however, and i had about a 45 second head start.. they would regret the fact that they attempted to break into my house though.. but thats about it as far as my intentions to ever use them on another person.

is that a AR-15?

is that a AR-15?

yes

I don't take them to be a serious method of self protection, because i do not carry them around outside of my home, and keep them locked up within my home. If someone was breaking in, however, and i had about a 45 second head start.. they would regret the fact that they attempted to break into my house though.. but thats about it as far as my intentions to ever use them on another person.

It would be amusing to me if they got your machine gun before you did.

It would be amusing to me if they got your machine gun before you did.

its not a machine gun

if they got to it before i did they would find the chamber locked and unloaded

i guess they could beat me to death with it..

http://www.innovativetactical.com/catalog/images/colt/4c97o6l52t02.jpg


I'm not a gun expert because my penis is big enough but this looks like a machine gun.

I'm not a gun expert because my penis is big enough but this looks like a machine gun.
it's a semi automatic rifle

I'm not a gun expert because my penis is big enough but this looks like a machine gun.

well my penis is small, so i know that it is an AR-15, a semi-automatic and therefor not a machine gun. You are right, it does look like an M-16 or M4 which come in automatic versions, but those are illegal for a civilian to own in the united states

We're arguing fucking semantics here.

rifle

technically, its a carbine.. but yea

<i>technically</I> it's not a gun it's an elephant.

I've flipped on this issue since last time Netphoria debated guns (what, like five years ago?).

I'm all for private gun rights so long as individuals undergo certification before owning.

Maybe I've flipped just so Colin doesn't pierce my cranium with a hollowed-out bullet, though.

truth be told i don't really give a shit as long as there's a lot of difficulty involved in getting legal weapons.

dirty secret is that gun laws or not criminals are still going to get weapons

making them easy to get at stores only makes this worse

Right - allowing personal guns only increases weapons available to criminals. This is the issue I've also keyed on, but have for whatever reason flipped sides a bit. I guess, mentally, I've concluded that criminals will no matter what be one step ahead so any protection is better than limited/none.

That, too, though has severe faults and flaws.

dirty secret is that gun laws or not criminals are still going to get weapons

making them easy to get at stores only makes this worse

Precisely. Good citizens will go jump through necessary loops to get their guns. I'd rather make it harder than easier for EVERYBODY to get guns, thus forcing illegal gun trade underground instead of just filling the streets with weaponry. I at least want there to be checks on these things so the criminally insane can't buy ten rifles an hour after they get fired from their janitor positions.

I went into a Wal-Mart once where an old man was screaming about how it was ridiculous they wouldn't sell him a gun at 2:00 a.m. If anything it should be slightly difficult to legally obtain guns just so even fewer criminals can get them. The same amount of decent citizens will still get them legally, but fewer potential murderers will.

Theres a laundry list of guns and rifles I would buy if I had the money.

I find gun fetishists to be tremendously gross though.

But I'm not going to deny their constitutionally guaranteed right to get a stiffy.

I find gun fetishists to be tremendously gross though.

But I'm not going to deny their constitutionally guaranteed right to get a stiffy.

Gun chicks are the wooooorst.

Guns are dangerous and you should be very careful with them.

Gun chicks are the wooooorst.

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dirty secret is that gun laws or not criminals are still going to get weapons

its not a secret at all

ps i still think that you don't understand what the difference between an automatic an semi automatic weapon are

I really don't and I really don't give a shit.

There are three kinds of guns, handguns, shotguns, and rifles. The latter can become a machine gun if it <i>looks</I> like one.

Like worse than hipster chicks, anime chicks, video game chicks, engineering chicks, med school chicks, sorority chicks, high school chicks, sport chicks, band chicks, cheerleader chicks, and so on.

nothing's worse than med students. they think they're so smart with their big books.

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A lot of those poster previews are fucking awesome...

http://www.actiongirls.com/actiongirls-b-h-scenes-zemanova-2008-small.jpg

Jenny P. is stupid ass hot.

and well, veronika zemanova. come on.

It's like Russ Meyer movies but porn.

Jenny P. is stupid ass hot.

Definitely the hottest there.

http://www.actiongirls.com/actiongirls.com-jenny-p-blue-large.jpg

Jesus Christ.

Ridiculous.

<img src="http://www.actiongirls.com/actiongirls.com-jenny-p-black-car-super-normal-poster.jpg">

yay porn

Uuuunnnhh...

I like how they even worked in a replica Shelby Cobra.

There are three kinds of guns, handguns, shotguns, and rifles. The latter can become a machine gun if it <i>looks</I> like one.

this is about the exact same amount of logic that went into the assault weapons ban

Thank goodness, too.

You don't need that, you'll never need that, and I don't give a shit if it's not a machine gun and it's technically a semi-automatic carbine and fun to play with; you have absolutely no practical use for it.

here is some spin from an article that has been floating around the internet for a few years:
A Little Gun History Lesson (http://www.rense.com/general81/ligun.htm)


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:erm:

I always love the articles like that. If the government really wants to eradicate you they can do it whether you're armed or not.

oh yeah. my feelings on guns.

I'm for gun control.
I'm against a total gun ban.

I understand the appeal of hunting and/or trap shooting. It's a sport. It's fun. I get that.

But what I don't get -- is people that primarily own guns for self-defense. Because in reality, it's just a bit silly. Unrealistic. And probably on the whole, causes more problems than it is suppose to prevent.

http://forums.netphoria.org/general-chat-message-board/161512-fight-flight.html
http://forums.netphoria.org/general-chat-archive/21496-do-you-own-gun.html
http://forums.netphoria.org/general-chat-archive/86681-girl-gun-control.html
http://forums.netphoria.org/politics-forum/161799-your-thoughts-guns.html

the case against gun control:

http://forums.netphoria.org/attachments/general-chat-message-board/32948d1218321203-fight-flight-dscn2113.jpg

if only this man had his guns, he wouldn't have to embarrass himself like this.

Needs more luggage.

Boy was I tan!

I kinda wish i had a gun on hand for this mosquito that keeps buzzing around my bedroom. That'd show the little fucker.

I'm all for owning guns to protect yourself and your property. Hell, if my safety was threatened, I'd have no problem gunning down the attacker without remorse.

Common sense has been destroyed by hippies who have sissified the nation. Apparently even touching guns and knowing how to use them automatically makes you a murderous brute to these girlie morons. Fuckin' pansies.

yeah cuz that's exactly how it will always go down.

"man, coolly and calmly, successfully fends off attacker with skillful use of his gun -- nothing unexpected happened and nobody innocent accidently got hurt at all. life is easy. o.j. was innocent. michael jackson didn't touch that boy."

you hear news like that all the time huh

It is shameful that in this country you can go to a gun show in most states and buy an AK-47 assault rifle with nothing more than a fistful of bills and a handshake. I own a handgun and would have no problem with a much more stringent registration and training program. I got my concealed weapons permit for the training and was pretty flabbergasted at how rudimentary and silly it all was. The bulk of the class was spent discussing situations in which you are you legally permitted to fire off your pistol instead of gun safety and proper usage. It was up to me to seek out people who knew what they were doing and try to patch together an idea of basic safety protocols and proper usage. I have a feeling most first time gun owners aren't as diligent and are therefore pretty dangerous.

i've never touched a gun and i don't plan on it. i'd be happy if they made the requirements to get a gun super stringent (ex. 6 month waiting period, extensive training required, highly taxed). i've never encountered a situation in my life where a gun would have improved anything.

What about that one time the King of England was all up in your face?

It is shameful that in this country you can go to a gun show in most states and buy an AK-47 assault rifle with nothing more than a fistful of bills and a handshake.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

What about that one time the King of England was all up in your face?

ended in a tickle-fight

I rest my case.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

thank you for correcting him.


attention everyone: it is completely illegal for any private citizen to buy / own an automatic weapon.. aka a "machine" gun


edit: unless you are a member of certain law enforcement groups, etc

i guess that means there's no machine guns available out there!
phew, thank America for laws!
(they were the freedom pioneers after all).

thank you for correcting him.


attention everyone: it is completely illegal for any private citizen to buy / own an automatic weapon.. aka a "machine" gun


edit: unless you are a member of certain law enforcement groups, etc

Attention everyone: It is extremely easy to make a semi-automatic gun into an automatic gun, and many guns are built to be automatics and just have that ability disabled.

I have a 9mm for my job. The only reason is because of the sensitive nature of what is in the building I am paid to protect. The only time I have ever used it is at the gun range when we practice or need to renew our licenses with the KCPD.

I have thought about getting one for protection, but I think that would definitely have to wait until I have (if I ever do) a family; mainly because I don't have a whole lot to protect right now. Even then, it would be locked and hid.

The people in the security department almost all have a hard on for guns - save me, my Jehovah's Witness boss (who doesn't carry one), a gay dude, and a Jewish dude.
One guy subscribes to a gun magazine and constantly talks about guns. ALL THE TIME. Oh, and how Obama is a socialist. That's the kind of person who scares me.

I don't really ever want to use a weapon on someone, EVER, but if someone is breaking in or some looney from PETA/ALF/ELF want to start trouble, I have no problem drawing my weapon. I also have no problem gunning someone down if they were making off with the highly sensitive material inside said building I am paid to protect.
Will this ever happen? 99.9% sure, no.

Attention everyone: It is extremely easy to make a semi-automatic gun into an automatic gun, and many guns are built to be automatics and just have that ability disabled.

as soon as you are doing that you are breaking the law.

the amount of crimes with small, cheap crappy guns VASTLY outnumbers the amount of crimes committed with big, high powered ones

an easy statistic because small guns exist in greater numbers, mainly because they are legal, and are easier to smuggle and sell illegally. also they are cheap. criminals don't want to make major investments on high powered assault weaponry when a small caliber pistol will do.

use some critical thinking before you start spouting off statistics that don't mean/prove anything thank you

it's like saying beer brewed with hops sells better than beer brewed with turds.

as long as the other guy isn't armed with a gun, I think I'd be good with a baton or something to protect my house / family.

I have a knobkerrie here with easy access in case of emergency situations.

if the guy wasn't armed I dont think I could hit him in the head, to be honest.
I'd probably just go for collar bones.
Unless rape was on the cards. Then I'd kill.

an easy statistic because small guns exist in greater numbers, mainly because they are legal, and are easier to smuggle and sell illegally. also they are cheap. criminals don't want to make major investments on high powered assault weaponry when a small caliber pistol will do.

use some critical thinking before you start spouting off statistics that don't mean/prove anything thank you

no shit dumbass

it's like saying beer brewed with hops sells better than beer brewed with turds.

no its not, its like saying cheap beer sells more then expensive beer.

Why don't you try some critical thinking

no shit dumbass

so why did you say it angry person

so why did you say it angry person

because even if machine guns were legal and available, i don't think you would see a sudden upswing in the "high-profile angry dude with body armor and high power weapons in a stand-off taking down 10 cops" type of crimes. There will always be crazy people, and they will always do crazy things regardless of what the laws are.

no one here is angry

so if the laws are irrelevant, why are you toting on about them like some kind of gospel invisible shield?

live free or die.

so if the laws are irrelevant, why are you toting on about them like some kind of gospel invisible shield?


they aren't at all.. all these angles are confusing me and maybe it was a poor choice of words on my part but the only point that i was trying to make is that i think that gun related crimes would stay at the same levels regardless of stricter / more relaxed regulation being put into place

I am in favor of some regulation, longer waiting periods mostly


live free or die.

its the state motto of New Hampshire.. and a great philosophy that has nothing to do with guns

live free or DIE.

live free or DIE.

exactly. you are catching on!

how do longer waiting periods help?
In case you like, really want to murder someone right now, but you'd like to keep things legal, so you apply for a gun and 4 months down the line you're all, 'ah fuck it, I'm over that shit' ?

i'd like to get one for protection. im a single girl living alone. i'd punch someone to death if they broke and tried to kill but pulling a trigger seems like less work.

how do longer waiting periods help?
In case you like, really want to murder someone right now, but you'd like to keep things legal, so you apply for a gun and 4 months down the line you're all, 'ah fuck it, I'm over that shit' ?

yeah

also it gives them time to do a background check

they aren't at all.. all these angles are confusing me and maybe it was a poor choice of words on my part but the only point that i was trying to make is that i think that gun related crimes would stay at the same levels regardless of stricter / more relaxed regulation being put into place

I suppose but I still think it's a good idea to ban high powered weapons from public use.

its the state motto of New Hampshire.. and a great philosophy that has nothing to do with guns

freedom is unattainable.

guns fascinate me.
so does this guy:
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evidence dictates that this was prior to the cutting incident so i obviously cannot believe it was his father, but i am getting closer to the truth IF ONLY YOU HADN'T DIED AND LEFT ME WONDERING HEATH.

how do longer waiting periods help?
In case you like, really want to murder someone right now, but you'd like to keep things legal, so you apply for a gun and 4 months down the line you're all, 'ah fuck it, I'm over that shit' ?

they will reduce crimes of passion.. reduce gun violence from people being passionate and overreacting to situations from which they eventually come to their senses. if someone is willing to wait 4 months to plan how to kill someone.. no gun law on earth will stop them

also, as previously stated.. allows more time for a more thorough background check. I don't exactly know what is involved with the check they do in New Hampshire where i currently live.. but it only takes 5 minutes, literally. It cant possibly be that extensive..

this is gun regulation that will make a positive difference, i think. I like guns but have no problem waiting a little while longer to get them. What i am opposed to are rules based around the premmice of "well you can have a gun this deadly.. but if its just a bit more deadly then no.. you cant have that one." I think laws like that accomplish nothing.

freedom is unattainable.

agree, but it should be the standard we strive for vice the alternative

wait wait, what is the current waiting period?

wait wait, what is the current waiting period?

differs from state to state.

NH is 5 min.. some states are 10 days.. and then there are different periods for handguns vice rifles in other states.. is all a clusterfuck

corny video, but illustrates my point about stupid gun laws

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oh okay, that changes things i guess.

here it's a pretty lengthy process. Months. You need specific training. it helps if you work as security or a resersvist. and other such things. apparently.

the iea of going and getting a gun, legally, in a matter of hours is baffling.

here it's a pretty lengthy process. Months. You need specific training

i would be in favor of mandatory gun training also. It will be annoying and a pain in the ass for people who already know a thing or two.. but that is a small price to pay for having more responsible gun owners in the world. I knew a guy who shot himself in the hand because he was working on it.. in a vice.. while loaded... :think:

what a complete fucking idiot

it helps if you work as security or a resersvist. and other such things. apparently.

i would be opposed to that, private citizens should have equal access just the same as military and law enforcement personnel


the iea of going and getting a gun, legally, in a matter of hours is baffling.

yea i guess when you think about it.

agree, but it should be the standard we strive for vice the alternative

strive for the day we don't need to eat, sleep, shit and work?

sure. whatever.

strive for the day we don't need to eat, sleep, shit and work?

sure. whatever.

ok, you can strive for slavery and oppression

Only if you choose to see the world in black and white and can't face the real truth.

i never liked gray

Kind of sucks to see the world for what it really is, doesn't it?

Much easier to put up blinders.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Huh? I went with my buddy to a gunshow in Greenville, SC at which he purchased a brand new AK-47 for $400 and a handshake.

when?

also is there any such thing as a "brand new" AK?

Hey < sp3 fuck off in this thread. I said an AK-47 assault rifle on the last page... I said nothing about an automatic rifle. Start opening your eyes instead of stroking your Sig. You strike me as the kind of guy who has guns because you were picked on in high school and are just breathlessly waiting for your chance to shoot a man just to prove how big and bad you are.

when?

This was about 6 months ago and yeah it was a brand new (Romanian produced i believe) AK-47 in the box with 2 magazines.

Hey < sp3 fuck off in this thread. I said an AK-47 assault rifle on the last page... I said nothing about an automatic rifle. Start opening your eyes instead of stroking your Sig. You strike me as the kind of guy who has guns because you were picked on in high school and are just breathlessly waiting for your chance to shoot a man just to prove how big and bad you are.

hahahaha +

AH-NAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

are there seriously 14 phantom posts in this thread alone? who's muted?

Huh? I went with my buddy to a gunshow in Greenville, SC at which he purchased a brand new AK-47 for $400 and a handshake.

Let me explain to you the multiple errors in your statement.

It is shameful that in this country you can go to a gun show in most states and buy an AK-47 assault rifle with nothing more than a fistful of bills and a handshake.

Almost no one can buy "assault rifles" in the US - thy have been banned since the thirties.

Your friend did not buy an AK-47 - he bought an "AK-47" - which would have a ghost of the features in the actual assault rifle.

"Most states" have strict laws on gun-show sales laws and restrictions. They definitely wouldn't be able to sell live full-auto AK-47's.

Well now we're just arguing semantics. So my understanding is that you are stating to be a true assault rifle a weapon must have the ability to be freely changed from selective to auto fire yes? In any case the weapon he purchased is a rifle which fires 7.62 ammunition at a high veolicty and could most certainly be used to assault whatever target he chose. I was there to witness him purchasing at the gunshow with no presentation of ID. What states ban gun shows and these loopholes? In the south gun shows are like trailers... you can't take 3 steps without running into one.

With that said I still think a sane, well qualified individual should be able to own a weapon in the US. I've got no problem with registering my weapons and would even think it reasonable to have weapons test fired for groove impressions to be entered into a database at sale. Granted clever scallywags could change out the barrel to fool the system but it is just another level of safety and another hurdle for those who would do harm.

I own a gun. I support gun rights. I think it is insane that Cobb bought an AK-47 NON-ASSULT RIFLE at a gun show with no oversight and no guarantee that he is a sane, rational and qualified individual.

Hey < sp3 fuck off in this thread. I said an AK-47 assault rifle on the last page... I said nothing about an automatic rifle. Start opening your eyes instead of stroking your Sig. You strike me as the kind of guy who has guns because you were picked on in high school and are just breathlessly waiting for your chance to shoot a man just to prove how big and bad you are.

an AK-47 is an automatic weapon. Just like an M-16 or an M4 have automatic capability (selective fire).. but the AR-15 is a very similar weapon without that functionality. It was some cheap knockoff AK-47 variant, or more likely an SKS (which looks like an AK-47) which i see all the time. It probably looks cool and thats why your friend bought it.. but it is less deadly than some cheap $300 hunting rifle that anyone can buy at walmart. Not to say that there aren't real AK's floating around out there.. but a real AK will be completely illegal.. and it will cost a hell of a lot more than $400.

The term "assault rifle" is made up by politicians to sound scary. All it means is a rifle or carbine (carbine meaning rifle with a shorter barrel) than can be easily concealable and shoot a lot without being re-loaded. See above video.

You are right.. we are arguing semantics, but you are making the situation worse by implying that your friend bought something that he didn't.. and that what he bought was for some reason way way worse than what he should be allowed to buy. You either don't fully understand what you are talking about, or you are just throwing out buzz words and giving people the wrong impression.

I can assure you that i was not that person in high school. I don't know how you formulated that opinion either. but you sure sound like a big and bad by belittling me in a post. I could apply the same amount of logic and say that you love being king of the message board to make up for lack of friends in high school.




that being said i agree that it is stupid that someone can by any firearm at a show with no background check.. or at a store with a trivial background check and leave 5 min later

So my understanding is that you are stating to be a true assault rifle a weapon must have the ability to be freely changed from selective to auto fire yes? In any case the weapon he purchased is a rifle which fires .223 ammunition at a high veolicty and could most certainly be used to assault whatever target he chose.

no. the video explains what the definition of an "assault rifle" has come to be. Nothing to do with ammunition or type of fire.

Selective fire means the ability to select from different modes of fire, ie semi-auto to auto or 3 round burst. Selective fire does not mean semi-auto

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Almost no one can buy "assault rifles" in the US - thy have been banned since the thirties.


this is not correct either. The assault weapons ban existed from 1994 - 2004. automatic weapons have been illegal since the thirties.. in response to mobsters rattling up town with tommy guns

stop going back and editing posts!
it makes our responses look silly.

aIt was some cheap knockoff AK-47 variant, or more likely an SKS (which looks like an AK-47) which i see all the time. It probably looks cool and thats why your friend bought it

Fuck you're a condescending prick. For my money the lack of stripper clips with out of box acceptance of 30rd banana magazines (or plug and play with a drum) and a rotating bolt = AK-47. Well no shit you can't buy a fully automatic rifle at a gun show... you're really breaking fucking news here and that isn't what we were discussing. I occasionally train with the SWAT team here and get to fire off their full auto AR-15s modded out with EOTech scopes and all the bells and whistles. How hard does that make your dick? Here comes your arguments that a "true AR is the civilian version, semi auto thank you very much." Fuck off man. Go back to sucking your uncle Jimbo's dick in the back of his gun shop. Gun people like you are the fucking worst.

I occasionally train with the SWAT team here and get to fire off their full auto AR-15s modded out with EOTech scopes and all the bells and whistles. How hard does that make your dick?

it doesn't. i have fired much cooler stuff than that but i don't brag about it. and guns are at the low end of my interest totem pole. I go to the range 2 - 3 times a year and own two. Just because i post a thread about them does not mean they are my life obsession.

and you are so quick to anger. i am tired of defending myself against conic flamers. calm the hell down. Don't assume anything about me, and i will give you the same respect.

/hostility


what is your line of work that you would get to train with SWAT? i went to a SWAT range once, but only because i am friends with the son of the guy who is in charge of training state police in firearm proficiency.

you knew a guy.

ed.

Listen brohan... you can't parade in here and start being a dismissive dick and then get defensive when people get hostile. I know enough about guns to know what a weapon is capable of instead of making a purchase because it "looks cool." We can argue semantics all night long and come to 46 different definitions of what constitutes the name for a particular weapon and/or weapon class but in the end if you're a cockbag about it you're just going to get flamed.

and guns are at the low end of my interest totem pole. I go to the range 2 - 3 times a year and own two. Just because i post a thread about them does not mean they are my life obsession.


so this guy's a bigger nut than jczeroman huh

jc's just a gun owner, <sp3 is a full on gun nut.

I love the concept that one gun is more deadly than the other. They all fire fucking bullets don't they? Or are there some guns out there that fire jellybeans and gumdrops?

wait wait, are you trying to say that some guns aren't more deadly then others?

i have fired much cooler stuff than that but i don't brag about it.

just let this sink in

I'm curious what he shot that was so awesome. A tommy gun? A grenade launcher? .50 caliber automatic helicopter cannon?

tommy gun would be cool

i probably couldn't resist saying "nyaaaa you'll never get me coppers nyaaaaa"

i'm much cooler than you, but i don't brag about it.

i'm much cooler than you, but i don't brag about it.

Humble like the New England Patriots, bro.

Did you guys know the AK-47 was invented in 1947? Even more proof that 47 is the most reoccurring number in the universe

nobody is better than me at being humble.

Humble pie.

Let me just say (if not just for the wow factor) that while ideally there should be no restrictions on self defence, I am perfectly willing to compromise and support a full-on training requirement for all gun-owners.

I view the gun argument the same way I do the drugs argument - that it is a civil liberties issue first. That is, people should have a right to do drugs and own guns. The pragmatic benefits (having guns and doing drugs) are subsidiary ones. and, quite frankly, I would love to see a world where these things aren't even around.

Listen brohan... you can't parade in here and start being a dismissive dick and then get defensive when people get hostile. I know enough about guns to know what a weapon is capable of instead of making a purchase because it "looks cool." We can argue semantics all night long and come to 46 different definitions of what constitutes the name for a particular weapon and/or weapon class but in the end if you're a cockbag about it you're just going to get flamed.

sorry if i sounded like a dick, but i wasn't trying to be.. i was only trying to subdue the confusion that people like trotskillicious (who openly admit that their knowlege of firearms consists of nothing deeper than what looks like a machine gun and what doesn't look like a machine gun) would undoubtedly experience because when you say AK-47.. to someone who does not understand that there are many knock offs that use the same technologies but do so in a semi-automatic version.. they think they are getting the same gun that you see the radical islamists firing into the air on TV.

i probably could have found more gracious words, sorry

I'm curious what he shot that was so awesome. A tommy gun? A grenade launcher? .50 caliber automatic helicopter cannon?

I have fired a fully auto, 1934 tommy gun. Also a german MP-40.. and an M-1 Garand all of which people may recognize from games like "Medal of Honor". I have also shot a legit musket that was almost 200 years old. The two guns that i have, (browning high-power and AR-15) are both very well made and have significant historical value. I am much more a history buff than a gun nut

jc's just a gun owner, <sp3 is a full on gun nut.

I love the concept that one gun is more deadly than the other. They all fire fucking bullets don't they? Or are there some guns out there that fire jellybeans and gumdrops?

you are un-informed, i am not a gun nut. i just know more on the subject than you do, and you think i am crazy because of it

know how fiddy-cent got shot 9 times? that was with a weak ass, not very deadly gun. I have a friend who's cousin got shot in 12 times buy a cop.. including once in the brain.. and lived.

Yet some guns can take down an elephant or pierce body armor with a single round..

yes some guns are more deadly than others. Just like a samurai sword is more deadly than a 1" keychain knife

just let this sink in

no one is as flawless as you, debaser

you are un-informed, i am not a gun nut. i just know more on the subject than you do, and you think i am crazy because of it

I own two guns and I am also a "gun nut" according to some netphorians.

I don't think you are, you haven't been posting with nerd-like devotion about different kinds of guns.

I always thought those kids growing up were weird and I guess they just turn into this guy.

Oh and don't insult me by saying you're a "history buff" when really you just have a fetish for war. I know your type of "history buff."

They are cool

If the ak-47 is so great why is the inventor dead

I don't have or want any firearms myself, but have no problem with anyone having them if they want

sure you don't want to qualify that a little

guns are the fucking worst and i will never touch one.

edit: looking at my posts in this thread, my opinions haven't changed much. a little less patient w/r/t opposing viewpoints on the subject now though.

What about these guns? *flex*

I have a few and hope to purchase more in the future

I have no problem with people owning guns. I do have a problem with people who have arsenals or own hardware meant for combat situations. This fact also frightens me: There are less gun owners in the US now than 50 years ago, but there are far, far more guns. They are just allocated into fewer hands.

citation: some complex, interactive stat thing on guns in the US from NYTimes about a year ago

I'm still using my grenade launcher to hunt. It tenderizes and flash cooks anything I shoot it at. I'm a real man. Take it from my cold, dead hands.

I see 19 liberal retards base their view on this because of feelings as opposed to critical analysis because if they did that, they'd realize every successful gun control attempt by a government was followed by genocide.

I see 19 liberal retards base their view on this because of feelings as opposed to critical analysis because if they did that, they'd realize every successful gun control attempt by a government was followed by genocide.

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

toc, i am going to find you and shoot you in the head.

I have a few and hope to purchase more in the future

How small is your penis?