I'm not expecting this to be any different from any other versions of BWBW but for completeness sake, could someone up it for me?

this is the 10/23/95 version iirc

Thanks, then I have it already

it sounds different though, if i remember it correctly. (compared to that fm bootleg, or that "live in chicago 23.1.95" promo, for example.)

The Launch CD is sourced from the band's source. Maybe this is the sound console, or a split from the stage. Either way, the Launch source sounds rather different and much cleaner. I do prefer the FM, however, because it sounds more alive. I'd have to look at the Launch CD-ROM, but I remember it being video files with embedded audio information. That means compression.

it sounds different though, if i remember it correctly. (compared to that fm bootleg, or that "live in chicago 23.1.95" promo, for example.)

the launch cd-rom has an audio cd track and a data track. bullet isn't compressed on the audio track.

i would assume that the source for the launch cd-rom bullet is identical to the source of the "live in chicago 23.10.95" french promo, i.e. non-fm, but my memory tells me even these two don't sound identical.

anyone fancy upping the cd-rom?

i can do it tonight.

Here's the Launch flac (http://www.mediafire.com/file/im2rmngdmmz/Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet with Butterfly Wings[Launch].flac).

I think all sources come from the FM broadcast. Check out the red line at 16k (lies higher on the Starlight bootleg). This indicates FM, right? I thought I read that somewhere.

What do you think?

Launch cd-rom:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/bdcb15daf266e385d38239b1d70648162g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=mugd5o3mfjz&thumb=5)

Live in Chicago 23.10.95 promo cd:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/9711dbc6870a8a67c6e3966d251b751b2g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=jwnzniiomjx&thumb=5)

Starlight bootleg (from LMA (http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1995-10-23.flac16)):
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/9b72e7171503cafacbd94fd40daf7bba2g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zkmcwwctytn&thumb=5)

I don't know, the graph of starlight looks like FM compression

maybe the others are preFM?

don't know anything about the red line TBH. could just be some crap in the signal somewhere, like a small buzz or hiss, or feedback etc.

starlight is FM. pre-fm wouldn't have the band at 16hz like the promo and launch versions do, though. It could be something weird in the house mix...maybe post these to trader's den?

ps Bram, feel like doing a .txt file for the FLAC?

Damn, you guys are on the ball with this shit! I am impressed

starlight is FM. pre-fm wouldn't have the band at 16hz like the promo and launch versions do, though. It could be something weird in the house mix...maybe post these to trader's den?

ps Bram, feel like doing a .txt file for the FLAC?

my thought is that they're all fm, but that the starlight bootleg has been treated to make it sound louder.

ben, can you post these at the traders' den? i'll make a .txt file.

it could be interesting to have a look at that fm>dat recording (not starlight). can someone upload bullet with butterfly wings from that recording? (i think it's disc 2, track 2.)

Ok here we go.
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c34b03fa139a9400d2db6fb9a8902bda
That is taken from:
The Smashing Pumpkins
10/23/95
Riviera Theater
Chicago, IL

Taper: unknown
Source: FM > DAT
Conversion: DDC-? > Sony PCM-M1 > 7-pin to coax > Delta Dio 2496 > Adobe Audition 2.0
Editor: Andrew Fogelsong
Editing: downsampled(48k to 44.1k), hard limiting(+2.5dB)
FLAC: master wav's > CD Wave Editor 1.95.1 > FLAC (level 8)
Notes:



and then the starlight source is uploaded here:
http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1995-10-23.flac16

Ok here we go.
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c34b03fa139a9400d2db6fb9a8902bda
That is taken from:
The Smashing Pumpkins
10/23/95
Riviera Theater
Chicago, IL

Taper: unknown
Source: FM > DAT
Conversion: DDC-? > Sony PCM-M1 > 7-pin to coax > Delta Dio 2496 > Adobe Audition 2.0
Editor: Andrew Fogelsong
Editing: downsampled(48k to 44.1k), hard limiting(+2.5dB)
FLAC: master wav's > CD Wave Editor 1.95.1 > FLAC (level 8)
Notes:

exellent. thanks.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/be474dbfba5b4e630f333789cdc828aa2g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=yff5djz3my4&thumb=5)

looks similar to the starlight bootleg.
would it be a correct to conclude that "live in chicago 23.10.95" and launch are sourced from pre-fm?

one thing i noticed though is that the starlight bootleg sounds different. worse. i think it's running a bit too slow.

all 4 screenshots can be found here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5b9b0dd14bb75b7dab1eab3e9fa335cab1afe72a 413db6d2

would it be a correct to conclude that "live in chicago 23.10.95" and launch are sourced from pre-fm?

most likely. definitely not fm sourced, but could be from a separate multi track recording. I doubt they would bother though. possibly they just tweaked the multi tracks for this one track since it was going to be used for launch.

So far ever spectral posted is clearly FM sourced. The nice little red line going through all of them is the signature of a FM source.

cheers, cream. can you up the whole cd, please? i'm curious as to what it's like.

cheers, cream. can you up the whole cd, please? i'm curious as to what it's like.

what whole cd?

So far ever spectral posted is clearly FM sourced. The nice little red line going through all of them is the signature of a FM source.

thanks.

what whole cd?

the launch cd-rom thingymajig.

ps Bram, feel like doing a .txt file for the FLAC?

Is this (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5b9b0dd14bb75b7dab1eab3e9fa335ca8297476d 922d41cc) ok?

The Smashing Pumpkins
1995-10-23
Riviera Theater
Chicago, IL, US

Source:
Launch, "The bi-monthly entertainment cd-rom", Issue No. 4
The second track on the cd-rom is an audio track, playable in a cd player.

Launch cd-rom > EAC > WAV > Flac Frontend > FLAC


Tracklist:
1. Bullet with Butterfly Wings


Shntool output:
length expanded size cdr WAVE problems filename
4:19.57 45821708 --- -- ---xx Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet with Butterfly Wings[Launch].flac
4:19.57 45821708 B (total for 1 file, 0.5558 overall compression ratio)

2df552821a994a04e4d404e194118702 [shntool] Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet with Butterfly Wings[Launch].flac

So far ever spectral posted is clearly FM sourced. The nice little red line going through all of them is the signature of a FM source.

no FM source has spectral activity all the way up to 22khz like the launch CD does, though.