View Full Version : a ticket showed up in the mail today for $400.90


wHATcOLOR
08-27-2008, 12:21 AM
turns out my friend was driving my car and ran a light. they send you photos and a link to view the photos in more detail. they measure your speed and the time you spend in the yellow and then red light. 0.3 seconds in the red, which really doesn't seem very long, given that this isn't the olympics. it's impossible to tell from the photo that it isn't me driving, but my license plate is very easy to see, so im glad my friend is a stand-up guy and he will pay the ticket. they provide you with a nice form to rat out the true driver. i'm also glad i'm not in the mafia.

wHATcOLOR
08-27-2008, 12:27 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/idiotmoron/L2142E1D08132008201134I495754.jpg

that could be nearly anyone, yeah?

sickbadthing
08-27-2008, 12:35 AM
whoa he looks drunk too

ammy
08-27-2008, 12:41 AM
how long did it take between the incident and you getting the ticket?

TuralyonW3
08-27-2008, 12:45 AM
that looks exactly like you liar!

Ol' Couch Ass
08-27-2008, 01:05 AM
man that's fucking bullshit.

wHATcOLOR
08-27-2008, 01:06 AM
how long did it take between the incident and you getting the ticket?




incident august 13, showed up in the mail today

Hate the Hater
08-27-2008, 01:09 AM
$400 for running a red light? Holy shit.

Ol' Couch Ass
08-27-2008, 01:10 AM
You should demand to face your accuser and then slap that camera down.

AndySlash
08-27-2008, 01:46 AM
They tried that shit here for a few months. Eventually a state judge ruled that the "photocop" program was itself breaking state law.

The Minnesota Supreme Court today delivered the highest-level court rebuke to photo enforcement to date with a unanimous decision against the Minneapolis red light camera program. The high court upheld last September's Court of Appeals decision that found the city's program had violated state law (read opinion).

The supreme court found that Minneapolis had disregarded a state law imposing uniformity of traffic laws across the state. The city's photo ticket program offered the accused fewer due process protections than available to motorists prosecuted for the same offense in the conventional way after having been pulled over by a policeman. The court argued that Minneapolis had, in effect, created a new type of crime: "owner liability for red-light violations where the owner neither required nor knowingly permitted the violation."

"We emphasized in Duffy that a driver must be able to travel throughout the state without the risk of violating an ordinance with which he is not familiar," the court wrote. "The same concerns apply to owners. But taking the state's argument to its logical conclusion, a city could extend liability to owners for any number of traffic offenses as to which the Act places liability only on drivers. Allowing each municipality to impose different liabilities would render the Act's uniformity requirement meaningless. Such a result demonstrates that [the Minneapolis ordinance] conflicts with state law."

The court also struck down the "rebutable presumption" doctrine that lies at the heart of every civil photo enforcement ordinance across the country.

"The problem with the presumption that the owner was the driver is that it eliminates the presumption of innocence and shifts the burden of proof from that required by the rules of criminal procedure," the court concluded. "Therefore the ordinance provides less procedural protection to a person charged with an ordinance violation than is provided to a person charged with a violation of the Act. Accordingly, the ordinance conflicts with the Act and is invalid."

redbreegull
08-27-2008, 02:06 AM
they measure your speed and the time you spend in the yellow and then red light. 0.3 seconds in the red, which really doesn't seem very long, given that this isn't the olympics.

Wait, you mean your friend entered the intersection while the light was still yellow? That is serious fucking bullshit.

Piggy
08-27-2008, 09:08 AM
so is it the same amount of money no matter how long you're in the red?

Gish08
08-27-2008, 09:14 AM
$400 for running a red light? What the fuck.

myosis
08-27-2008, 09:44 PM
Wait, you mean your friend entered the intersection while the light was still yellow? That is serious fucking bullshit.
you are required to stop at a yellow light.

ToEachesOwn
08-27-2008, 09:50 PM
you are required to stop at a yellow light.

That seems less safe than going through a yellow about to turn red. So I'm supposed to slam on my brakes at a yellow light and hope the car behind me does the same?

yo soy el mejor
08-27-2008, 09:50 PM
your friend looks like a worm in that photo.

ravenguy2000
08-27-2008, 09:53 PM
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Travis Meeks
08-27-2008, 10:12 PM
well, there you have it. Case closed. Jesse, announce this news to the courthouse and let peace and justice ring

Andrew_Pakula
08-27-2008, 10:14 PM
If the car was only in the Red for 0.3 seconds shouldn't that be like in the margin of error?

myosis
08-27-2008, 10:19 PM
That seems less safe than going through a yellow about to turn red. So I'm supposed to slam on my brakes at a yellow light and hope the car behind me does the same?
no you shithead because common sense still exists.

yo soy el mejor
08-27-2008, 10:20 PM
not really. do you know how many retards run rampant on the road. hell. an 18 wheeler crashed into a mcdonalds just yesterday. i sure am glad i dont have a license. the downside is now i have to walk home at 9:20 in the evening. later sk8rs

Netphorian Gadabout
08-27-2008, 10:47 PM
I've gotten red light camera tickets three times (all when someone else was driving). All were around $50. Make sure you fill out the form so they get the ticket instead of them just giving you the money and you paying it because if you're in-state, it'll go on your record and get reported to your insurance company.

agenda suicide
08-27-2008, 11:10 PM
you are required to stop at a yellow light.

That seems less safe than going through a yellow about to turn red. So I'm supposed to slam on my brakes at a yellow light and hope the car behind me does the same?

okay.. there are things called rules which determine which is more safe. this is taught in drivers ed, and should also be common sense. now, I don't remember the EXACT distance, but once you reach the "point of no return" it's not safe to stop. If you have enough distance and time to safely stop, then stop. uhfuckingduh.

wHATcOLOR
08-27-2008, 11:18 PM
wow, check out the big brain on brad!

mercurial
08-27-2008, 11:39 PM
big brain brad they call her, round the traps

aldango
08-28-2008, 11:58 AM
okay.. there are things called rules which determine which is more safe. this is taught in drivers ed, and should also be common sense. now, I don't remember the EXACT distance, but once you reach the "point of no return" it's not safe to stop. If you have enough distance and time to safely stop, then stop. uhfuckingduh.

lol i'm pretty sure we went to the same driver's ed

Elvis The Fat Years
08-28-2008, 12:20 PM
brad and ed seem like good guys.

mxzombie
08-28-2008, 01:39 PM
pretty sure about a third of the drivers in miami would end up with tickets if they tried something like that here. the first two or three seconds of a red light are still fair game

Ol' Couch Ass
08-28-2008, 02:21 PM
man that's fucking bullshit.

MonteLDS
08-28-2008, 02:42 PM
do you drive a green prius?

this picture is pretty poor quality. what city was this taken in?

I thought the quality of these pictures were suppose to be pretty high

Ol' Couch Ass
08-28-2008, 02:53 PM
man that's fucking bullshit.

wHATcOLOR
08-28-2008, 06:36 PM
yes
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supposed

shannon
08-28-2008, 06:38 PM
have him wipe his ass with the ticket when he sends it in, that's bullshit

Elvis The Fat Years
08-28-2008, 06:51 PM
it kinda looks like that guy

and it's kinda freakin me out

Hate the Hater
08-28-2008, 07:12 PM
this picture is pretty poor quality.

Enhanced for your pleasure:

http://i33.tinypic.com/ja9qfb.jpg

:erm:

JokeyLoki
08-28-2008, 07:24 PM
:rofl:

agenda suicide
08-28-2008, 08:41 PM
lol i'm pretty sure we went to the same driver's ed

quite possible, but seriously... if you can't safely stop, you go through the intersection. c'mon!

redbreegull
08-29-2008, 12:18 AM
okay.. there are things called rules which determine which is more safe. this is taught in drivers ed, and should also be common sense. now, I don't remember the EXACT distance, but once you reach the "point of no return" it's not safe to stop. If you have enough distance and time to safely stop, then stop. uhfuckingduh.

Agenda Suicide is right, I took driver's ed through a police department program so all my instructors were cops. I was never taught that yellow means stop no matter what. You are supposed to use common sense and your own judgment to determine whether or not it is safe for you to stop depending on your distance from the light when it turns yellow. Seriously, .03 seconds seems like ridiculous bullshit.

JokeyLoki
08-29-2008, 12:20 AM
It's a scam to get more money.

They installed some in Farmer's Branch, TX not too long ago, and once people stopped running the lights so much, they disabled them because they weren't making any money. I think they literally said that.

I noticed alot more accidents at the intersection near my job while they were up, too. Ridiculous.

redbreegull
08-29-2008, 12:26 AM
It's a scam to get more money.

They installed some in Farmer's Branch, TX not too long ago, and once people stopped running the lights so much, they disabled them because they weren't making any money. I think they literally said that.

I noticed alot more accidents at the intersection near my job while they were up, too. Ridiculous.

In the past year or so they have put up dozens of new red light and speeding cameras where I live in Montgomery County, MD. There was sort of a big public issue about it and the response from the government was that it didn't matter how big of a public outcry there was, the cameras were not going anywhere. Fascists.

JokeyLoki
08-29-2008, 12:27 AM
Eh, if the revenue starts going down, they'll drop them like a bad habit.

myosis
08-29-2008, 03:40 PM
Agenda Suicide is right, I took driver's ed through a police department program so all my instructors were cops. I was never taught that yellow means stop no matter what.
stop no matter what?
nevermind, i thought they taught reading comprehension in the states too.

Sarah Palin
08-29-2008, 04:20 PM
mr. whatcolor:

i want you to know that i can use some of my influence to get this ticket wiped clean as long as you viciously campaign for us and deliver california in november.

wHATcOLOR
08-29-2008, 04:28 PM
why don't you go fuck yourself

Sarah Palin
08-29-2008, 04:30 PM
you have made a very powerful enemy mr. whatcolor. you can't hide in pinko town SF forever and when you emerge in the real world i will kill you, skin you and then make a rug out of you. not even your butt buddy monte can protect you now.

wHATcOLOR
08-29-2008, 05:39 PM
i'm not askeared of you

Sarah Palin
08-30-2008, 03:37 AM
:mad: