View Full Version : Who here can't drive a stick

08-22-2008, 12:10 AM
I'm not talking about your dad's cock

08-22-2008, 12:13 AM
oh well nevermind.

08-22-2008, 12:27 AM
if only they made a manual version of the prius i'd be tearing it up.

i do miss having a manual.

08-22-2008, 12:30 AM
i think i drove a 1990 toyota whatever manual across town and back once bu tother than that i cant. way to know your way around a plow, geezers, are you real proud of knowing how to work a __________________ tooo that shi is obsologte

08-22-2008, 09:52 AM
The power leeching effect of an automatic is unacceptable. :noway: Plus the throttle response of a manual is reason enough to prefer a manual over an automatic.

But I'd consider a dual clutch auto, those are pretty awesome. But I don't think I'll be able to afford a car with one for a while. Until then I really enjoy my car's 6MT.

08-22-2008, 10:06 AM
but i really wanna learn

Caine Walker
08-22-2008, 10:11 AM
no stick for me.

08-22-2008, 10:16 AM
The power leeching effect of an automatic is unacceptable.

What about "gearless" or "infinite gear" automatics, CVT's? I think the technology has overcome this by now. Plus if you check out many of the most expensive supercars, they don't come in manual anymore, or at least they have an electronic gear shift.

08-22-2008, 10:22 AM
i will never buy an automatic car again. manual is just too fun.

Quiet CD
08-22-2008, 10:22 AM
I like my semi automatic. I've had fully manual and automatic vehicles, and for San Francisco, nothing beats an automatic.

The Jesus
08-22-2008, 10:23 AM
I don't drive.

pale blue eyes
08-22-2008, 11:06 AM
I tried and failed learning to drive a stick. I'm sure I could but nobody I know drives one either so it's not like I would have anything to practice with.

Lucy Sky Diamonds
08-22-2008, 11:06 AM
I only drove a stick once, and the clutch ended up busted. Turns out it was already pretty much dead before I drove it, and Lucas was a terrible teacher. Doh.

08-22-2008, 11:09 AM
I drove a stick for quite a while, I have an automatic now because I'm lazy.

08-22-2008, 11:11 AM
there should be more posts about dicks iTT

08-22-2008, 11:32 AM
What about "gearless" or "infinite gear" automatics, CVT's? I think the technology has overcome this by now. Plus if you check out many of the most expensive supercars, they don't come in manual anymore, or at least they have an electronic gear shift.

Continuously variable transmissions have extremely low torque capacities. They aren't to the point yet that they can handle very high payloads... at all. They've been around for a while but it's hard to get essentially a chain to handle the kind of power even 80% of cars on the road create these days.

Most supercars have manual options, and those that don't use dual clutch automatics. Though for comparison's sake, I believe the R32, or even just GTI(?), Golf had a manual option and a dual clutch transmission. The DSG is better for straight-line acceleration, and the manual is preferred by guys who do road racing and autox. With an automatic that allows the driver to electronically control gears you can't jump past gears. I was driving a 135i, which has a great automatic, and it can't jump from 6th to 3rd. It has to go 6, 5, 4, 3. So you only get an advantage of changing gears if you want to change to the nearest gear. If you want to go any further beyond that it takes less time.

Additionally, you're forgetting the market for many supercars. The guys who buy them aren't muscle car drivers like people who buy Camaros, they're 60-year-old businessmen from Dubai who don't want to fiddle with a manual but do want to own a car worth a quarter million dollars.

Now as for extremely serious drag racing cars, they've almost always used automatics, ever since the 60s. If you want to change gears as fast as possible you can build an automatic that can do it better, moreover with a forced induction setup automatics keep a constant load on the engine, meaning the turbo doesn't spool down nearly as much between gear changes. This is why so many high-end drag Supras keep their automatics.

But if you want to buy a car for autox or that goes around road courses, then at the moment a standard manual transmission does the job as well if not better than an automatic. But it does it without the additional power loss of a torque converter and without the additional weight of an automatic. Plus, when it comes to tuning cars, most cars's ECUs that have to piggyback an automatic's operation, which means they have serious problems being recalibrated. It's easier get a fully programmable ECU on a car that has a manual than a car that has an automatic. Plus, for every 10 horsepower you add at the crank, you're losing an additional 5 or 10 percent right there because of the automatic transmission that you normally wouldn't.

For many cars, ie. cars with 400 or less horsepower, that loss of power from the automatic is too great to be negligent. However, in cars like the Nissan GTR, it has so much power that the car is willing to do away with its manual because of the general philosophy behind the GTR... The Skyline GT-R in Japan has always been about being a car that makes up for a shitty driver- instead of being RWD it uses the ATTESA-ETS. The car's purpose is to help the driver as much as possible. But if you look at cars like the Porsche 911 Turbo, Ferrari 599, Chevrolet ZR1 and Z06, BMW M3, you'll see that they still have manuals. Most supercars have manuals and automatic options for the old men who can afford them but don't want to use their left feet.

08-22-2008, 11:44 AM
um, yeah. i was just about to say that.

08-22-2008, 11:45 AM
so what you driving, duo?

08-22-2008, 12:11 PM
'94 Ford Escort wagon.

08-22-2008, 12:28 PM
No tints?!

08-22-2008, 12:36 PM
i've never tried

08-22-2008, 12:43 PM
my car's a manual. it's not that hard to learn.

08-22-2008, 12:54 PM
'94 Ford Escort wagon.

that picture does not match the description

08-22-2008, 12:56 PM
that picture does not match the description

08-22-2008, 12:57 PM
i think that was a throwback to the nate the grate / lds running joke

edit: oh yeah, there we go /\/\

yoshinobu's revenge
08-22-2008, 01:33 PM
i can't.
i also don't find cars very interesting.

08-22-2008, 02:08 PM
Indeed, it be. Check your rep Debaser.

08-22-2008, 02:27 PM
never tried. pretty sure it wouldn't take much to learn

08-22-2008, 02:37 PM
manual is fun but annoyed me to no end in L.A. stop and go traffic. i been driving automatic the past 5 years but i miss stick sometimes

Nimrod's Son
08-22-2008, 04:49 PM
I drive a stick. It feels more like... driving.

Thaniel Buckner
08-23-2008, 02:43 AM

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tear stained glass
08-23-2008, 07:40 AM
My Mercedes 240D has a manual transmission. I can't imagine how slow it would be if it were an automatic. I generally drive my mother's automatic 380SL when my car is in the shop, and the lag time between putting your foot down and actually going is sometimes kind of a problem. That thing still goes fuckin' fast, though. I don't know how fast because the spedometer only goes up to 85, but fast enough that if I got caught going that fast again, I'd get charged with a felony.

edit: Aside from the speed of the 380, I much prefer my car due to the greater ride comfort, in part due to the 380 not being built for dudes who are 6'4. Also, my stereo doesn't have a harsh high end and my dash is better-looking. OH, and my air conditioning works. Yeah, that's a biggie.

08-23-2008, 05:49 PM
I had to drive an automatic the other day. It freaked me out.
I kept hitting breaks instead of clutch, out of habbit. I eventually convinced myself to only use one foot, and forget the other. How annoying. And so much less control.

08-23-2008, 06:34 PM
the only stick i drive is attached to caine walker

lololololol. sorry. IT'S SO BORING HERE RIGHT NOW.

Thaniel Buckner
08-23-2008, 11:34 PM
the only stick i drive is attached to caine walker

lololololol. sorry. IT'S SO BORING HERE RIGHT NOW.
we need to migrate.

08-23-2008, 11:46 PM
i would follow you anywhere, john ******