they have had a few but which songs are the pumpkins most innovative and original? either in terms of song composition or production which songs stand out from the crowd as being the most clever.

a few i can think of.

behold the nightmare (the bridge section and the tuning)
apathys last kiss
Pomp and Circumstance (production)
Cupid De Locke
Appels and Oranjes (production)

Compared to most late 80s/early 90s stuff, Gish was pretty innovative. :)

Hmm, Pastichio Medley? Not really a "song", but pretty innovative nonetheless. I'll have to agree with "Pomp and Circumstance" as well. I also think the whole Mellon Collie album was pretty innovative, simply in the fact that few albums that varied have been as successful.

stylistically i think the mellon collie and machina eras produced the most innovative songs. everything sp have done has been pretty different but those two albums were certainly the most far-fetched, sonically. appels and oranjes, cupid, iotm, blue skies, lily, farewell, ruby...all such unusual songs.

overall i'd say glass and the ghost children is that most "innovative" song due to the sheer size of its vision. the way the narrative is conveyed is unlike anything i've ever heard.

cupide de lock is surely a winner for creativity.

Definitely cupid de locke, might be my favorite song of all time as well

Soma.

tonight tonight for its influence

Behold! The Nightmare is pretty great... a lot of stuff on MCIS is pretty out there. SP have lots of oddball songs that are unusual in instrumentation, production, and structure. It's hard to pick.

hmm this is hard..i think the majority of sp's songs were relatively original, like stuff like quiet or geek or whatever, i don't know if anything is particularly 'innovative' though. he always took sth and added a certain sth to it, so like it's not like it dropped out of the sky but i never heard a sp song and thought 'ah i've heard this before'

^quiet, srsly? its one of the most normal-ish songs they ever did. its just an angsty punk rock riff

Ava Adore comes off as being pretty innovative.

silverfuck

how come autumn nocturne hasn't been said, hm?

also guys, autumn nocturne

Autumn nocturne should be said...

I always thought Cherub rock was a very unique and creative rock and roll song.

Glynis

1979 was Billy's first song that bled originality. That riff is unique, the use of so many instruments melding together (6-string bass for godssake) and the voice effects mixed so well. Even though I don't feel its SP's best song, its a song that will forever be loved and when it comes on, people know its SP.

Billy didn't really do anything innovative until MCIS, what he was doing until then was just a mish-mash of things he loved, put together in a very excellent way.

Speed Kills

saturnine MII
pulseczar

1979 was Billy's first song that bled originality.
you're an idiot.
That riff is unique, the use of so many instruments melding together (6-string bass for godssake)


no it's not. ooooh a six string bass how unique!


Billy didn't really do anything innovative until MCIS, what he was doing until then was just a mish-mash of things he loved, put together in a very excellent way.

100% disagree with that last statement. I 100% think you're a tool.

meladori magpie.

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edit: why did this post three times? ug

because you're just trying to up your post count.

i'm hoping there's some monetary compensation when i hit 10,000.

I think someone (you) has an addiction to posting somewhere (netphoria) too much

is there possibly a twelve-step program i could take?

seeing as I have

a- a higher post count

b- a higher rate of posts a day

that makes me

c- qualified to give advice

therefore, I advise you drink more

ah! i've been looking for an excuse to drink more!

not a smashing pumpkins song i'm sure

probably a song off TFE huh.

um... as much as i love the pumpkins, i really don't think anything they did was that innovative.

um... as much as i love the pumpkins, i really don't think anything they did was that innovative.




i think the scope of their innovation comes not from their SONGS but he production value and VERY fine attention to detail... cupid de locke... i mean, shit, scissors and hairspray? come on! or if you listen to galapagos, after the first chorus, the "intro" riff is played again, albeit with all kinds of spacey delay swimming throughout your headphones in seemingly 360-degree stereo. Their guitar tones... holy. Thats what first turned me on to the pumpkins... "how the hell do these guys make their guitars sound like that?!" I did my homework, and i'll never be able to do that. Just look at Adore... where it came from... when it came... how it sounded. So to be honest, caine_walker is a tool and the pumpkins have done (and will continue to do) very innovative things. PWND

i doubt continue... sp2 sucks hard dude.

you wrong Lobby.

I really think corgan and co have gone backwards and are just rehashing old ideas. he's trying to live the glory days and shit again... hence gish tour etc. that's stupid IMO cool maybe to see for some people but really SP2 is nothing compared to the old SP which were a great band.

i'm not too fussed about hearing gish tunes. i'd love to here some pre-gish ones live but they should pull out some oldies at most gigs. they don't need to go on about it. just play the fucking songs.

I was watching queen live at wembly last night and laughed when I noticed freddies white and black striped shirt. That guy had the best stage presence.

just play the fucking songs.

fucking right. no need to have an adore tour again. just play different songs every night. fucking corgan and co are wack.

i think the scope of their innovation comes not from their SONGS but he production value and VERY fine attention to detail... cupid de locke... i mean, shit, scissors and hairspray? come on! or if you listen to galapagos, after the first chorus, the "intro" riff is played again, albeit with all kinds of spacey delay swimming throughout your headphones in seemingly 360-degree stereo. Their guitar tones... holy. Thats what first turned me on to the pumpkins... "how the hell do these guys make their guitars sound like that?!" I did my homework, and i'll never be able to do that. Just look at Adore... where it came from... when it came... how it sounded. So to be honest, caine_walker is a tool and the pumpkins have done (and will continue to do) very innovative things. PWND

yes, they did some really neat things. guitar tones were fabulous, production was done well on some songs, and overall quality of most of what the released was a cut above the rest for when it was put out. i would even say that given the climate, Adore was "before its time." whatever that means.

but as far as groundbreaking, mindblowing leaps forward, there isn't a whole lot there. overdubbing a million guitars on his songs was cool, but if you're going to come out and state that the pumpkins were consistently original, then you clearly don't listen to much music.

i love the smashing pumpkins. LOVE them. the pumpkins have been and will always be my favorite band. but i can also be objective about how *amazing* they actually are.

/talking to the 4 post troll

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yes, they did some really neat things. guitar tones were fabulous, production was done well on some songs, and overall quality of most of what the released was a cut above the rest for when it was put out. i would even say that given the climate, Adore was "before its time." whatever that means.

but as far as groundbreaking, mindblowing leaps forward, there isn't a whole lot there. overdubbing a million guitars on his songs was cool, but if you're going to come out and state that the pumpkins were consistently original, then you clearly don't listen to much music.

i love the smashing pumpkins. LOVE them. the pumpkins have been and will always be my favorite band. but i can also be objective about how *amazing* they actually are.

/talking to the 4 post troll



you summed that up nicely. i guess i'd have to agree. But it's all about "context". It's not easy to be as innovative as, say, The Beatles or Talking Heads or Pink Floyd... but with respect that really awful period we laughingly refer to as the 90's, i think the pumpkins are as good as it gets. Radiohead and the Pumpkins are easily 2 of the top 10 most significant recording acts of the 1990s. But youre right... not everything they did was 100% original.. alot of it just sounds like Black Sabbath from the future meets The Cure.... with a hint of Boston and Zeppelin. I digress.

1979. It's hard to find another pop rock song with that futuristic yet lofi electronic/guitar blend.

tonight, tonight

there is no other rock song that sounds like it other than coldplay trying to copy it's orchestral sound with viva la vida.

I agree with Tonight Tonight. Also Behold The Nightmare.

I think just about every song (bar 99% of ZG) is innovative in some way, you can't just ask "what is the most innovative song SP have put out?" because there's too many.

[QUOTE=sweetanthony;3293663)
Billy didn't really do anything innovative until MCIS, [/QUOTE]

:erm:

What is so "innovative" about Nightmare that SP hadn't done before?

i doubt continue... sp2 sucks hard dude.

Yes, but SP3 is a nice improvement

Pomp and Circumstance

1979

Most anything off of Adore

Tonight, Tonight

Tear

heavy metal machine (version 1 alt mix)

Speed Kills and Set the Ray to Jerry on a good set of headphones. Lot of good textures and layering going on.

I think just about every song (bar 99% of ZG) is innovative in some way, you can't just ask "what is the most innovative song SP have put out?" because there's too many.

What the fuck.

now go kill yourself.

I suppose when you look at the history of music then, no, SP were not innovative. They had a hand in influencing some terrible bands to date, but nothing truly innovative. But, they were a great and fearless rock band during their day. I didn't gravitate to the band because they were innovative, they were just a really talented and interesting group of characters that put out some great albums.

Cupid de Locke always came across quite unusually crafted to me.

WITH THE LIGHTS OUT IT'S LESS DANGEROUS!!!

That was the real game changer.

WITH THE LIGHTS OUT
IT'S LESS DANGEROUS

THE JACKALS LICK THEIR BALLS
CHICKEN IN MY HEART

No one has mentioned 17.

Monte just sent me a PM to say that those are actually Nirvana lyrics and not Smashing Pumpkins lyrics Redbull.

1979

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What the fuck.

it's like meeting yourself two years ago

Hmm I dont feel like SP had been a really innovative band during the years... Just (very) innovative on themselfs subsequents albums.

I think only Starchildren - Delusions of Candor was something really innovative...

Hmm I dont feel like SP had been a really innovative band during the years... Just (very) innovative on themselfs subsequents albums.

I think only Starchildren - Delusions of Candor was something really innovative...

ok, whatever that means