both of my fish, when they first arrived, it took them minutes after i fed them before they realized food was there and started to eat

just now -- i picked up this bag of fish food and one of my fish started oogling it! and i sprinkled some food in there and he immediately munched down! my other friend did the same thing!

whatever!

your momma has a 3 second memory

Originally posted by Best Looking Boy
your momma has a 3 second memory

yeah.

"how was your test?"
"i don't have a test today"
"oh"

my goldfish know that when i pick up their food thing that they will get fed.

*shrug*

Originally posted by meow
my goldfish know that when i pick up their food thing that they will get fed.

*shrug*

SEE? then why do people say they only have 3 second memories ? they obviously have some sort of memory function even if it's just instinctive

Originally posted by Samsa
both of my fish, when they first arrived, it took them minutes after i fed them before they realized food was there and started to eat

just now -- i picked up this bag of fish food and one of my fish started oogling it! and i sprinkled some food in there and he immediately munched down! my other friend did the same thing!

whatever!


You're talking about conditioning.


Memory is a seperate issue entirely.

Originally posted by autumnNOCTURNE



You're talking about conditioning.


Memory is a separate issue entirely.

but is it? how can you have conditioning without memory?

Originally posted by Samsa
how can you have conditioning without memory?

or anal without lube.

why ask what. what?

Originally posted by Samsa
but is it? how can you have conditioning without memory?

I can't speak for goldfish, but only for my b@ckground in human neuropsychology:

You have essentially two memory stores (stop me if you've heard this, or want to skip the details): short term and long term.

Most sensory information enters into short term memory, and what needs to be is usually kept in long term memory. This is how conditioning works, very, very basically. It's the repeated exposure of it all.

Think of the movie Memento, for one (if you've seen it). Although it had a few flaws, it gets the basics down . . . even though he had no long term memory, he could still condition himself to do certain things.

But again, I can't speak for goldfish.

um. i don't follow you. first you say conditioning works by placing things in longterm memory and then you said the guy in memento had no long term memory but he could condition himself.

Originally posted by Samsa
um. i don't follow you. first you say conditioning works by placing things in longterm memory and then you said the guy in memento had no long term memory but he could condition himself.

Okay, it was badly explained . . .


What I'm getting at is that you don't need a long-term memory, necissarily, to be able to be conditioned to things.

Another way to put this is: different parts of your brain are responsible for different things. Memory for facts and details is handled by a different part than those for your motor "programs." Surely goldfish, being domesticated, don't need a lot of detailed memory, but they do need the instinctive parts that know about food and just the parts that tell them how to swim and breathe and whatnot.



Ugh.
I'm sorry. I don't think that's a very good explanation, either. I'm not very eloquent. It's late. I'll grab my textbook and quote you some things tomorrow, if you need it clarified.

ok. i still think it's a form of memory i mean how could it not be? even if it's completely motor

Originally posted by Samsa
ok. i still think it's a form of memory i mean how could it not be? even if it's completely motor

It is certainly a *form* of memory, but not memory in it's most common sense.

It's just saying that a fish won't remember specific details about what happened to it 4 seconds ago. They just don't have the hardware in place to handle the details.

my fish know the passing of days. i feed them at all different times every day, and last night i forgot and went to bed. i wake up this morning, and the 3 of them are lined up in a row with their faces pressed against the glass.. STARING AT ME. :erm i fed them

Originally posted by Mirror_Untrue
i wake up this morning, and the 3 of them are lined up in a row with their faces pressed against the glass.. STARING AT ME. :erm i fed them

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Originally posted by Mirror_Untrue
my fish know the passing of days. i feed them at all different times every day, and last night i forgot and went to bed. i wake up this morning, and the 3 of them are lined up in a row with their faces pressed against the glass.. STARING AT ME. :erm i fed them

CUTE

Originally posted by meow
CUTE

This thread has officially dwindled into nothingness.

Originally posted by Mirror_Untrue
my fish know the passing of days. i feed them at all different times every day, and last night i forgot and went to bed. i wake up this morning, and the 3 of them are lined up in a row with their faces pressed against the glass.. STARING AT ME. :erm i fed them

ahh ha ha! :D god damn i love fish. everyone thinks i'm a freak about it 'cause i am obsessed with them and like. these two mean people :mad: one of them keeps talking about how my fish is gonna die and how he's gonna feed my fish vodka :mad: and i get so mad at him and while i was gone he made a hook out of a paperclip and my roommate GAVE him a flake of fish food and put it in one of my friends' bowl!!! yes! you heard me! and he tried to hook my fish! and then we we were playing with these markers you can write on the wall with and then wash off, and the OTHER person drew a dead fish on the wall and wrote "dead fish society" under it. wtf? why do they keep talk about killing my fish i don't appreciate it.