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Catherine Wheel
06-26-2008, 05:04 PM
What events in Corgan's life do you think inspired that album? What are the songs about? Who are the songs about?

commando
06-26-2008, 05:17 PM
Basically about how Billy has learned that all things change and how he's ready to roll.

hnibos
06-26-2008, 05:29 PM
homosexuality

ciGarski
06-26-2008, 09:05 PM
your existential thread topics.

mayday
06-26-2008, 09:05 PM
nice that you mention this album. I listened to it all the way through earlier this afternoon. for the first time in quite a while. It is really beautiful. For me it becomes better and better with time and morre listens. Like wine (I suppose) does. :) I hear things in it that i didn't hear the listen before. it's wonderful:)

ciGarski
06-26-2008, 09:06 PM
mayday

mayday
06-26-2008, 09:09 PM
yes? i'm here =)

waltermcphilp
06-26-2008, 09:16 PM
i think he was mentioning how this thread was coming in for a crash landing.

aztec litany service
06-26-2008, 09:17 PM
zwan, the world at large, insular ironic belief systems of little consequence strewn across the maladjusted farmlands of folly and pain(e), and undoubtedly a major inspiration had to be...uhh...shoes. and you..and me..and the aliens three

aztec litany service
06-26-2008, 09:18 PM
yes? i'm here =)

you're there

Floppy Nono
06-26-2008, 09:21 PM
lyrically, probably breaking up with yelena and the state of the world (Mina Loy is about 9/11 after all). musically, new order/joy division/echo and the bunnymen

ciGarski
06-26-2008, 09:23 PM
i think he was mentioning how this thread was coming in for a crash landing.

no i was responding to the thread's inquiry.

mayday
06-26-2008, 09:46 PM
no i was responding to the thread's inquiry.

:blush::);)

themadcaplaughs
06-26-2008, 10:13 PM
I know officially Corgan says a lot of it started at mourning ovr his breakup with Yelena, but I think a lot of it is Corgan attempting to find his own voice without having to work with a band situation.

Catherine Wheel
06-27-2008, 12:29 AM
I always thought Now and Then had great potential as a pop song until I heard the lyrics "Cable coils around my neck." That line is disturbing and he sings it with such a sweet sounding voice which makes it even stranger.

ciGarski
06-27-2008, 12:35 AM
whenever i think of TFE i think of the line "grace my spine". love it. better lines probably but i like that. did this get released on vinyl?

Mablak
06-27-2008, 12:38 AM
I think this album is about the future, and is inspired by the future. Billy took a good long look at the future, and thought hey, I should write an album about this thing.

slunken
06-27-2008, 04:12 AM
but did he really embrace the future?

better than new
06-27-2008, 10:52 AM
I definitely got the Billy effect on this album. I hated it when it came out and when I listen now I think its great. Figures. I wouldn't mind seeing some of this live again.

SlingeroGuitaro
06-27-2008, 10:58 AM
cocaine

avsfan7733
06-27-2008, 03:32 PM
i always thought strayz was a message to the fans with the whole "wasn't born to follow, you know I'm true." "You stay with me, you stay with me when I go, you know I'm true"

maybe im just optimistic that he actually likes his fans.

ChaosEffect
06-27-2008, 05:32 PM
cocaine

if only...

D.
06-27-2008, 05:34 PM
DEADSY

pale blue eyes
06-27-2008, 06:15 PM
Boredom. Not being able to work with other musicians without eventually making them run screaming from him. Missing Jimmy. Standing in front of a mirror naked thinking, "Holy crap, I am beautiful. I should be an album cover!"

mojo
06-27-2008, 06:31 PM
Gary Numan's anus.

ciGarski
06-27-2008, 11:20 PM
DEADSY

:banging:

talk show host
06-28-2008, 01:59 AM
A good 15 years spent thrashing Cure albums springs to mind

palescales
06-28-2008, 02:42 AM
I'd say E over coke for the inspiration, but what do I know. When I got the album I thought it was a lot of Billy's nonsensical lyrics but seeing the live show it definitely hit me that it was a thank you album to the fans.

I've loved this album since the day it came out but seeing the live show really bumped it up to a new level for me. The guitar tones on the album are amazing and pretty much impossible to copy. I think it was a great outlet for thing Billy couldn't do with the Pumpkins and I would have preferred another Billy album to a reunion, personally.

Catherine Wheel
06-28-2008, 03:47 AM
To me it feels like on this album hes saying that hes come to terms with certain things in his life. A theme throughout the album seems to be acceptance. Hes not wallowing in misery and despair like he used to. There is sadness but its more of just an acknowledgement of sad times insted of obsessing over them.

mojo
06-28-2008, 05:46 AM
To me it feels like on this album hes saying that hes come to terms with certain things in his life. A theme throughout the album seems to be acceptance. Hes not wallowing in misery and despair like he used to. There is sadness but its more of just an acknowledgement of sad times insted of obsessing over them.

I think the truth is simpler - Billy is known to love that anxious, doomy, post-punk Joy Division-dominated era of music (Nein Danke badges pinned on long trenchcoats) and he wanted to have a crack at writing some songs in that vein.

darthjul
06-28-2008, 06:12 AM
In twenty years this will be one of the albums that Rolling Stone bagged when it came out but now say its a classic far-thinking masterpiece from one of this generations greatest song writers.
The songs are the same as other Corgan songs, inspired by the same issues and happenings as Soma or Cupid or Come On but the production is drawn on Bill's love of all things new wave and goth pop. Its the album he had to write. And like Rolling Stone will say, familiarity with this album only enriches it. Having been in Sydney for the accoustic show made the songs shine in a whole new light and betrayed their simplicity and beauty.

flyfire
06-28-2008, 06:20 AM
ah that Sydney show seems like a long long time ago

where is me
09-10-2013, 03:37 PM
What events in Corgan's life do you think inspired that album? What are the songs about? Who are the songs about?

I don't know.

stumpycat
09-12-2013, 02:08 AM
STEAMPUNK!!

T&T
09-12-2013, 03:01 AM
I don't know.
why the FUCK would you bump an old thread just to say nothing.
now FUCK OFF AND DIE.

themadcaplaughs
09-12-2013, 09:38 AM
It's kind of amazing to think that he was successfully starting to build is own image and voice as a solo musician, knocked that down to restart Smashing Pumpkins, started to build momentum with that, lost Jimmy, and now seems to have knocked it down all over again.

Butt Pope
09-12-2013, 10:53 AM
the album sold like 20k in the first week. how is that momentum for a guy who 10 years earlier released mellon collie at the top of the charts?

Trotskilicious
09-12-2013, 11:10 AM
balls, probably

slunken
09-12-2013, 04:11 PM
It's kind of amazing to think that he was successfully starting to build is own image and voice as a solo musician, knocked that down to restart Smashing Pumpkins, started to build momentum with that, lost Jimmy, and now seems to have knocked it down all over again.

Bills career is built on failure

Trotskilicious
09-12-2013, 04:19 PM
so how were SD and MCIS failures, o hippest one

Trotskilicious
09-12-2013, 04:20 PM
In twenty years this will be one of the albums that Rolling Stone bagged when it came out but now say its a classic far-thinking masterpiece from one of this generations greatest song writers.

lol check out this guy thinking rolling stone is relevant to anyone except white male boomers age 60+

dreams of glass
09-03-2015, 06:15 AM
What events in Corgan's life do you think inspired that album? What are the songs about? Who are the songs about?

who cares really

Mals Marola
09-03-2015, 06:19 AM
well you bumped a 7-year-old thread on it so why don't you tell us?

teh b0lly!!1
09-03-2015, 06:42 AM
basically everybody in this thread is wrong and the album is about the pumpkins' death and billy's coping (or inability to cope) with it. kthxbye.

Cool As Ice Cream
09-03-2015, 07:22 AM
it's an album about billy's unhealthy relationships with young girls.

topleybird
09-03-2015, 08:25 AM
With the passage of time, I find that my primary question about the album has become: just how far in the future was this embrace meant to be? Could he have consummated the embrace by now? Whom did he, or does he intend to, embrace? And what will come of that embrace?

Or did he just intend it to be called "Embrace the Future" and some dyslexic intern at the record company changed the course of history? And could Sam Beckett do a quantum leap into that intern and right the wrong?

topleybird
09-03-2015, 08:25 AM
It's a multi-part question, I admit

Butt Pope
09-03-2015, 09:30 AM
In twenty years this will be one of the albums that Rolling Stone bagged when it came out but now say its a classic far-thinking masterpiece from one of this generations greatest song writers.
The songs are the same as other Corgan songs, inspired by the same issues and happenings as Soma or Cupid or Come On but the production is drawn on Bill's love of all things new wave and goth pop. Its the album he had to write. And like Rolling Stone will say, familiarity with this album only enriches it. Having been in Sydney for the accoustic show made the songs shine in a whole new light and betrayed their simplicity and beauty.

Lol look at this post

absof
09-05-2015, 07:03 AM
It's a multi-part question, I admit

This got a lol from me! :)

Ugly
09-09-2015, 09:29 PM
With the passage of time, I find that my primary question about the album has become: just how far in the future was this embrace meant to be? Could he have consummated the embrace by now? Whom did he, or does he intend to, embrace? And what will come of that embrace?

Or did he just intend it to be called "Embrace the Future" and some dyslexic intern at the record company changed the course of history? And could Sam Beckett do a quantum leap into that intern and right the wrong?

Not sure about all of your questions but the final part is simply this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BugLGikIAAAhih0.jpg

Bomb The Moon
09-10-2015, 09:05 AM
remember the one where he meets the evil female leaper, and doesn't realize it until they touch, then they can see each others true selves?
good shit.

Rider
09-11-2015, 10:08 PM
but did he really embrace the future?

Not unless you consider bad 80's new wave and steampunk embracing the future.

Rider
09-11-2015, 10:11 PM
Lol look at this post

I wonder if is the same guy who told us we eat our words when Teargarden was done all the single boxsets were going for hundreds on eBay.

Anyone remember who that was? Someone actually did say that.

Trotskilicious
09-11-2015, 10:23 PM
Lol look at this post

it really is a beaut

Trotskilicious
09-11-2015, 10:23 PM
I wonder if is the same guy who told us we eat our words when Teargarden was done all the single boxsets were going for hundreds on eBay.

Anyone remember who that was? Someone actually did say that.

i think that was the guy with the teargarden avvie, ugh Sunshowers? something