Haven't posted in months and am a little drunk, but James was and is the antithesis of Billy. So was Darc'y. That's why this band was so great. It's a repetitive point only said in so many different words. The current incarnation is Billy unleashed and uninhibited and because of this, the lack of the Pumpkins soul is so apparent. Everyone, including Zeitgeist apologists, can recognize this. Musicianship and talent included, the personalities of those collective four meant more than anything in regards to this band. The current Pumpkins isn't horrible and have produced an occasional gem (live anyway), but without someone to temper Billy, this thing will always lack full credibility. I think at some point James will resurface.

Again, I am glad we have something, but holy shit something is missing.

This post was inspired by listening to Porcelina during the 2nd to last show at United Center. Even a James that was uninspired was better than no James at all.

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agreed. it was the tension that made it so great.
now SP has no edge.

done.

you're creative up until a point, if don't have an ego your material just plain' old gets worse... if you have a giant ego your material gets worse but you think it's good because it goes down different avenues.

have you seen my baseball?

yeah it's right there.
no ... over by that

Haven't posted in months and am a little drunk, but James was and is the antithesis of Billy. So was Darc'y. That's why this band was so great. It's a repetitive point only said in so many different words. The current incarnation is Billy unleashed and uninhibited and because of this, the lack of the Pumpkins soul is so apparent. Everyone, including Zeitgeist apologists, can recognize this. Musicianship and talent included, the personalities of those collective four meant more than anything in regards to this band. The current Pumpkins isn't horrible and have produced an occasional gem (live anyway), but without someone to temper Billy, this thing will always lack full credibility. I think at some point James will resurface.

Again, I am glad we have something, but holy shit something is missing.

i appreciate what you are trying to say, and i'm glad you had a good night. but for the record...THE MUSIC is way more important to me than any of this "collective personalities" stuff you are talking about.

i think jimmy and billy compliment eachother well, though jimmy does seem to be more agreeable to billy's ideas than say, darcy ever was. still, despite their influences on billy, i think the best work being with james & darcy might be a little more circumstantial than most people are willing to admit. it was the right time for them from gish thru tafh....and nothing could have changed that, nor should their success be attributed to any specific thing. it was just the right rock n roll moment. with the grunge movement happeneing, what was going on in chicago, etc. And billy and jimmy still carried the band back then too.

leave it to davin to take the thread seriously

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I'm going to reserve judgement until I hear the next single/album - that way everyone will be able to judge SP2 on a more even playing field, since there'll be more than just 1 LP and EP to compare.

yeah, i still hope for james to come back.

yeah, i still hope for james to come back.

I don't think he's coming back (http://lemonparty.org/) :cry::erm::banging::eek::mad::confused:

You can't have two different things both be the antithesis of a third thing. That shit is a no-go, dude.

tl,dr

but if this thread is what i think it's about then yes, i love pizza.

as long as its got sweetcorn on it, im there.

hey yo silverfrick! the world doesn't stop moving because iha wants to start gaining weight and produce gay music for gay bands. yeah, he was good but wake up bitch, he's gone. wear it.

OP: To an extent, maybe. But really I think it has to do with Billy's profound change in his outlook on life and what he believes in. The Billy Corgan of 2008 is very different than the Billy Corgan of 1993 or even 1998. James has also grown pretty careless when it comes to SP since about 1998 or so. I don't think your theory holds much weight today. In the mid 90's, if James got kicked out, quit, whatever -- it would have.

at least james could put another record out

and birds go tweet....but yea, I know what you mean...half drunk too.

sigh

I gotta agree. I cant imagine James and Darcy willingly playing stuff like widow wake my mind and what not... Having those critical opinions in the band drove Billy to greater heights.

http://s13.postimage.org/n892s7552/billy_corgan_1993_and_now.jpg


i've drawn a picture in MSpaint on the matter. yes i know i can't draw for shit on laptop trackpads.

goddamit i forgot b0lly's ears in the present panel.

you would have to be really fucked up to think that James would "come back" to billy

This post was inspired by listening to Porcelina during the 2nd to last show at United Center. Even a James that was uninspired was better than no James at all.

That song is pretty bloody good, I've got to admit.

OP: To an extent, maybe. But really I think it has to do with Billy's profound change in his outlook on life and what he believes in. The Billy Corgan of 2008 is very different than the Billy Corgan of 1993 or even 1998. James has also grown pretty careless when it comes to SP since about 1998 or so. I don't think your theory holds much weight today. In the mid 90's, if James got kicked out, quit, whatever -- it would have.

We all lose the plot, sooner or later. There is a good case to be made for Billy quietly touring with the old material, instead of going out with this whacked Teargarden concept-less album that isn't an album but is.

this thread is bullshit.

Darc'y

agreed. it was the tension that made it so great.
now SP has no edge.

done.

The Future Embrace is a great album produced with no tension so I don't agree that it's necessary.

Umm why are you people responding to people who stopped posting on this board 4 years ago?

Rewind.

Rewind.
and Revive.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/letsplayffvii/chapter2/capture_23032008_015107.jpg

Chin up, ace - God's love runs through everybody who lets it

The Future Embrace is a great album.

seriously you need to listen to more music good lord

I think it's more likely that the difference between the old days and now is that Billy is older and no longer driven by the same feelings that led to the excellent music he created in the 90s. Unfortunately for some reason he feels he has to keep the Smashing Pumpkins going and is writing 'Pumpkins' music, music he think will please the old fans, without the drive that created it and it doesn't really work.

The best music he's made in the last decade has been music that has been seperate from the SP legacy and more mature in tone.

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billy should probably stop at this point, but if by some weird twist of fate the actual band did reform it could be good. he is an extremely talented guitarist and it's a shame he can't find someone to work w/ that would challenge him

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