it was a lie in the end right? just as i predicted

did he ever say the name of the girl whose band he was supposed to join?

it was avril lavigne.

yeah that's right, i was lying. but you celluloid_love, only you, saw right through my grand delusion. my dreams lie broken and shattered before me. who knew?

thanks for telling me what happened.

let the mp3 debate begin.

Isle will you please post some of your music on here? A rough demo will be fine.

I'm going to be a rock star.

Well, at the very least a dude who gets to travel the world playing live music for an decent living.

Hold on to your dreams Isle, miracles do happen and if you're a badass like me, its just a matter of time and effort. :cool: Fuck, shouldn't people at least wait until their old and unable to give up on some goals like these?

^ fine, but its called being delusional

I'm going to be a rock star.

Well, at the very least a dude who gets to travel the world playing live music for an decent living.

Hold on to your dreams Isle, miracles do happen and if you're a badass like me, its just a matter of time and effort. :cool: Fuck, shouldn't people at least wait until their old and unable to give up on some goals like these?
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if/when i hit the big time i might invite mark to play for me if he needs a gig

we will unite in mutual rebellion, against the unbelievers of :netphoria

i'm going to get my own radio show.

well, at least i applied for it.

it's the positive attitude that counts.

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Just because you're getting older and lack any talent that you could be recognized for doesn't mean the rest of the world is in the same boat.

In all seriousness though, I don't think making a career from music is out of reach at all especially considering the horrible musicians that are doing it already these days. Am I saying my group will be the next huge act touring arenas with 10 gold albums? No. But I am saying its quite possible that I'll be playing venues that I'm excited about and eventually able to support myself only through music. It'll be many many years before any of you will have the chance to prove me wrong.

/mark

you must be pretty naive if you think technical ability is the main obstacle to becoming a successful musician

edit: and if by "horrible musicians" you just mean people who play music you personally don't like, well, ...

no but if you can play virtually anything and play it well then you're likely to get a heck of a lot more session/touring opportunities, which alone is a pretty good deal

that is, if you're interested in the project and wanted to support it, unlike me with my recent thing

uh i don't think anyone's rockstar fantasy is to get a heck of a lot more session/touring opportunities

you must be pretty naive if you think technical ability is the main obstacle to becoming a successful musician

edit: and if by "horrible musicians" you just mean people who play music you personally don't like, well, ...

You always want to twist my words to translate to some technical aspect.

I mean horrible musicians as in people that perform and record music very poorly. Regardless of the genre being something I don't enjoy, there are a lot of musicians out there making a living through touring and recording that are absolutely horrible at it. I'm not talking about a style issue, I'm talking about a quality issue. I've seen many bands that were playing music I would normally enjoy except for the fact that they played it horribly. This doesn't mean that the music they play has to be technically proficient, it just has to sound good when they try and translate their songs live. Lots of people fail at this while I feel like I'm a very good live performer. I just happen to think that can only help my goals of becoming a full-time musician.

I'm fully aware of the obstacles to becoming a successful musician. Believe it or not, I know people who make their livings doing just that. All I'm saying is that if you start with a solid foundation of music that you can record and perform with a high quality level, it will only make wading through the rest of the bullshit easier.

luke how serious a musician are you yourself

do you have big plans for sleepy demons or are you content building boats in the basement, no pun intended

ed: punintended

pretty serious. depends on what you mean by "big plans", though. creatively, yes, but definitely not in the world-conquering pumpkins commercial sense.

I'm fully aware of the obstacles to becoming a successful musician. Believe it or not, I know people who make their livings doing just that. All I'm saying is that if you start with a solid foundation of music that you can record and perform with a high quality level, it will only make wading through the rest of the bullshit easier.
indeed

hey lds do you have any new recordings

the old ones grew on me

I mean horrible musicians as in people that perform and record music very poorly. Regardless of the genre being something I don't enjoy, there are a lot of musicians out there making a living through touring and recording that are absolutely horrible at it. I'm not talking about a style issue, I'm talking about a quality issue. I've seen many bands that were playing music I would normally enjoy except for the fact that they played it horribly.


can you provide some examples?

hey lds do you have any new recordings

the old ones grew on me



seconded

just <a href="http://www.sleepydemons.co.nz/sleepy-demons_in-unison_alt.mp3">this</a>

hey, any new recording is a good recording

i dig it. thanks, as always, for sharing

hey, any new recording is a good recording
clearly you are not a sound engineer

can you provide some examples?

The Spinto Band is a band that is absolutely horrid live which I was forced to sit through recently. I dislike their style of music in general but at least their recordings sound like competent musicians. Live they sounded like a complete jumbled mess and you could obviously tell their vocals have been doctored heavily in the studio as well. I checked a lot of videos after I caught them open up a show for Cornelius and indeed they seem to be quite horrid all the time.


I also saw this reggae jam band play at the Rave in Milwaukee recently and I thought it was going to be a decent show. These guys had some flyers there with some really good shows on it so I figured they are doing relatively well for themselves, they were one of the opening acts for Les Claypool that night. The music was something I could have gotten into but both guitarists had a really poor grasp of how to use their effects properly live and it just sounded way too jumbled and messy. Their drummer was also constantly lagging. It was frustrating to see them play because with a little attention to some performance issues and some sound advice they would have been enjoyable. Instead, they kept messing with knobs and each turning themselves up a little more until the whole mess was way to jumbled and scratchy sounding and I had to walk away. I don't even remember their name anymore.

Then you have the 40 million hip hop people I've seen open up shows, mostly at the Abbey Pub. They are all the same with voices they can't keep in tune AT ALL, one flow that they force into every beat and lyrics they ripped off from the guy that went on stage before them. You can tell they haven't put any thought into making some type of production or entertainment from their music, they just want to make noise and sound like they are rapping. Their set has no flow and everyone in the bar usually stops paying attention after 10 minutes. Its obvious each and every time the headliners come out just how horrible these opening acts are, especially at hip hop shows. I think its made worse by the fact that each show has 3 to 5 people opening up for the headliners. I don't think my thoughts on these performances I'm reffering to are all just opinion either because each and every person in the crowd except a few friends of the band all had that same bored and pained look on their faces.

As far as poor recording, I guess that would be partially opinions but I think we can all think of a few albums where the production seems to hold the music back a little bit. There are even hugely famous examples of this....Zwan and their clipping I'm sure could testify to that.

With so much good music and stuff that has really had some thought put behind it so readily available on the internet these days its easy to forget how many truly horrible bands are out there every single night getting paid to play. Its easier to ignore unless you go to a lot of local shows or catch all the opening bands but they are out there.

its easy to forget how many truly horrible bands are out there every single night getting paid to play. Its easier to ignore unless you go to a lot of local shows or catch all the opening bands but they are out there.
i can't imagine those sorts would be anywhere close to making a living off performing live

nice song, lds. you sing a bit too yorkeishly i think, but i envy your pretty voice. i always sound like a total douche

lds you have some serious timing issues on that song
familiarize yourself with rhythm sections

it's a demo for the band to learn from, it doesn't matter if it's tight or not

also, "familiarize yourself with rhythm sections"? shades of ada<bladhs>m_m. thanks for presenting a red herring etc etc

it doesn't matter if it's tight or not


that's what she said