So - I think it's time for me to creep into the future by buying my first video game system since the N64. I like the Wii, but want a little more "adult" video game system, so I'm considering either the Xbox360 or PS3.

I really want me some Rock Band for whichever one I buy - and I know that PS3 has wireless guitars for that, which I like a lot. PS3 also does the Blu-Ray discs, which makes sense seeing how within the next few years I'd like a Blu-Ray player.

For the video game nerds out there -- which is the superior choice? Why? Are there any good games for either of these things?

360. It has the best online and the best library of games.

wii

did you actually expect this to end up in anything but a pissing match?

can we debate mccain vs. obama/clinton instead?

Based on your post, it seems a PS3 would be a good fit for you. If online play isn't a big deal to you at all, I would think you'd be happy with a PS3 just fine.

PC

Microsoft keeps squashing rumors of a new xbox with a built in BluRay Drive, but with all the rumors out there on it happening, im sure there will be one in no time. Some extra info for you to take in.

I'd give a foot to have a Playstation 3 when GTA IV comes out :/

i would give you my opinion but it's kinda infuriating you didn't make this a poll so fuck you

its like the playstation one in the sense that they are really gonna pushing the boundries of gaming graphics - even if the xbox looks like it has better graphics now

but i still prefer xbox

maybe when i see some better graphics .... graphics.... graaaapph

360 has more games but the accessories, live service, etc., while necessary, is a rip. For example, it costs $10 to change your gamertag.

PS3 doesn't have many games yet but it's set to have one hell of a year.

But if we are talking strictly games, 360 is it.

I've been wondering about this topic myself lately. Right now all I really want to do is play games, and 360 has more games I want to play, so it would seem to be a fairly easy choice. But on the other hand, I hope to get a fancy HDTV sooner or later, so the Blu-Ray on the PS3 would come in quite handy eventually. It might be worth it to sacrifice playing a couple XBox 360 exclusive games for that. (90 percent of the games I'd play are available on both systems anyway.)

Also, I've spent way too much time reading about the Red Ring of Death on 360s, so I've halfway got myself convinced that if I buy one that it's going to crap out immediately and leave me out 400 bucks. I like to think that I'm just being paranoid there, but at this point I just don't know. Has anyone here had any major problems with 360s crapping out on them? At this point I'm leaning towards taking my chances with a 360...but I don't want to end up with a 400 dollar brick within 6 months of buying it.

I don't know which firms have the rights to release which games, but I'd go for PS3 for the following reasons:

Final Fantasy XIII
Resident Evil 5
Metal Gear Solid 4
any Tomb Raiders that come along
GTA IV

360 may have more games out at the moment but PS3 has some real big guns to pull out.

^ those are the main reasons, along with Blu, that the PS3 is likely to come ahead this year. The Xbox needs good games and Blu to keep up. I think the good games alone won't help it when that whole HD player bonus is what can tip someone over

real doll

There have been multiple posts in this thread that indicate that people think that GTA IV is a PS3 exclusive when it will be coming out on 360 at the same time.

edit: Also Resident Evil 5 is also 360

video game nerds dont waste their time on consoles, i think youre looking for video game dweebs

real doll

agreed

360 has more games but the accessories, live service, etc., while necessary, is a rip. For example, it costs $10 to change your gamertag.

PS3 doesn't have many games yet but it's set to have one hell of a year.

But if we are talking strictly games, 360 is it.

I dont know about points, but I got my Live subscription for half price on ebay.

i currently have a 360 and it's great. so far, whenever the same game is on both the 360 and ps3, more often than not the 360 version is slightly better. the current ps3 game library and online service is pathetic compared to the 360. I also love the added bonus of being able to stream video from my PC to my 360 via my wireless home network. I download shows and movies and can watch them on my living room tv.

but i will definitely get a ps3 when MGS4 and the next FF come out. and of course, its still the cheapest blu-ray player available.

so the answer is: get both.

Yeah, ravenguy... a poll would have been wise. But I want evidence to back up one's opinion, so I opted out on that one.

Sounds like the party lines are pretty drawn here. I love that 360 can beam wifi TV/movies up to your x-box, that's insane.

Q: Is PS3 backwards compatible?

Q: Is PS3 backwards compatible?

The answer to this question will make you lose hope for humanity.

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i just tested the ps3 and xbox in Yamada Denki

the ps3 is poor quality but sexier and has more features - also runs a bit quiter

The XBox's execution is just infinitely better than the PS3. The way XBox Live works out honestly makes it very competitive with the PS3. Looking at the hardware alone really doesn't give you a good idea of how good it is. The 360 imo is the better system to own right now. Maybe if some decent RPGs come out for the PS3 it'll be worth buying over a 360... maaaybe.

So what's the point of owning a PS3 if you can't enjoy it since it has shit games? There really isn't much of one. I enjoyed Devil May Cry 4, but now that I'm done with it the fucking PS3 just sits there doing nothing. I probably haven't turned it on in three weeks. And another thing, the Wii, wtf, I knew Smash Bros. Brawl was going to be a disappointment and decried it since day one, but I didn't think it would be THAT big of a disappointment. It's actually worse than Melee in every aspect except graphics (which, if you look at Marth especially, barely changed). The engine's total crap- worse than Melee. How could they fuck it up that much?

And Pokemon Crystal and Pearl- I was at Best Buy today considering buying them, but the battle system still fucking looks the same it did when I was in middle school! Come on assholes, a game on the Nintendo DS that looks like a Gameboy Color game? I feel like I got slapped in the face by a big black dick with that one. And there are over 400 fucking Pokemon now! They all look like gay copies of previous Pokemon! They used to all be original, now they're ridiculous. Pokemon Blue/Red was an incredible game, but there's no reason to play any other Pokemon game.

http://www.gamerandy.com/archives/abe_simpson.gif

i honestly don't want to sound rude but isn't pokemon a childs game?

my kid plays it but do you reckon i should give it a spin??

Listen, it's a no brainer man.

Get a PS3. Blu Ray has won the format war, (Toshiba have stopped making HD DVD players, most major studios have accepted the Blu Ray format) exclusive PS3 games will PISS on the 360 in the very near future just in terms of sheer capacity on a disk. The PS3 is more powerful and the online aspect is improving and will continue to do so.

Frankly, unless Microsoft pull a rather large bunny out of the bag or give in on format then you'd be dumb to buy a 360.

Don't reward Sony for pushing their next generation optical media agenda by purchasing a PS3 due to its Blu-ray capabilities. There will be (or is now, depending on who you ask) better Blu-ray players. Really, the PS3 amounts to a Blu-ray player first and a Final Fantasy/Metal Gear Solid playing console second.

Buy a 360 for all of the other games and its online services (you get what you pay for). Although you may want to read up on how to identify the latest 360s manufactured with the "Falcon" motherboard as they are less prone to hardware failure.

Another note on GTA IV: the Xbox 360 will have exclusive downloadable episodic content for the game that the PS3 will miss out on.

...and my PS3 is backwards compatible...

...and my PS3 is backwards compatible...

But anyone who buys a PS3 today won't have backwards compatibility. Sony, in thier infinite wisdom, has removed backwards compatibility with the current PS3 skus. Xbox 360 has far better bc now.

Nah, you just can't buy the poor man-spec version to get backwards compatibility.

Well save a little longer and get the proper one then...or are you saying that there are no backward compatible PS3's at all anymore?

If you are Rich and $exy then you get the beauty of backwards compatibility. If you buy the poor version you don't get it. What don't you understand? Did you even know there are two versions?

Nah, you just can't buy the poor man-spec version to get backwards compatibility.

The 40 gb version has no backward compatability.

The 80 gb has limited backward compatability via software emulation. Similar to the Xbox 360's bc, but not as well implemented.

Sony's stance on the issue:

"Mr. Tretton conceded that removing that capability, along with a few other features, isn't dramatically reducing Sony's cost of manufacturing the console but will instead encourage buyers of the entry-level PlayStation 3 to purchase more games designed specifically for the new system."

Yes I did know but I was getting the impression you were saying that they'd stopped making them altogether but I guess they haven't, they just cost a bit more.

I think that's what jm9843 was saying before doing some research. The truth is that backwards compatibility is an option.

if you wanna play games, 360 would be my choice. if you want to watch movies, PS3. you can still watch high def content on the 360 by either downloading or streaming media from a pc though. PS3 does the same thing. there's just no good games for it. and its still an expensive blu-ray player, even for being the cheapest one. but yeah, i'd say 360 if you're more interested in games and the PS3 if you're more interested in owning a blu-ray player.

And another thing, the Wii, wtf, I knew Smash Bros. Brawl was going to be a disappointment and decried it since day one, but I didn't think it would be THAT big of a disappointment. It's actually worse than Melee in every aspect except graphics (which, if you look at Marth especially, barely changed). The engine's total crap- worse than Melee. How could they fuck it up that much?



wait, what? it seems fine to me. what else is wrong with it?

It's like the Melee combat engine, but immersed in sludge. You can't even really fast fall... The best thing about Melee was that it was wonderfully smooth and quick, it never felt bulky for a second. Did you feel this at all when comparing the two? I really didn't like how much slower the gameplay was.

i haven't played melee in so long that i didn't really notice anything. but now that i'm thinking about it, you're right. huh....

i also haven't played brawl in a few weeks now, so my frame of reference is a little fuzzy.

It's not really slap-you-in-the-face noticeable, but it's definitely there. They took out some little things like L-canceling, which sped up combat because you didn't have huge pauses after specific moves. And with characters like Link L-canceling was pretty necessary in making him a competitive character. I'm being overly critical of the new Smash, it's a nice game still, but I think I just preferred Melee. It sucks turning into an old man. :(

I completely disagree about the whole if you want a Blu Ray player buy a PS3, if you want gaming get a 360 nonsense. Truth is you get better graphics, more potential, will soon have far far better and more in depth games AND a Blu Ray player with the PS3. 360 owners are just annoyed that, in the long run, they bought the wrong machine. It's inevitible.

fanboy talk right there

fo' realz.

labels...how clever.

assertions...how clever.

Since I'm bored, I'll spell it out for you.

Truth is you get better graphics, more potential, will soon have far far better and more in depth games

That opinion stated as fact is what compels me to call you a fanboy. Potential is worthless if its never realized, so why even crow about potential? Fact is if you look up the reviews so far on games that are on both systems, the 360 version is better more often than not. Potential huh. How many years has the PS3 been out? That's not to say that PS3 can't catch up and surpass the 360, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens...but what if it doesn't?

That opinion stated as fact is what compels me to call you a fanboy. Potential is worthless if its never realized, so why even crow about potential? Fact is if you look up the reviews so far on games that are on both systems, the 360 version is better more often than not. Potential huh. How many years has the PS3 been out?

i dont know, debaser... i'm kinda getting a whiff of fanboy comin' off of you too.

I completely disagree about the whole if you want a Blu Ray player buy a PS3, if you want gaming get a 360 nonsense. Truth is you get better graphics, more potential, will soon have far far better and more in depth games AND a Blu Ray player with the PS3. 360 owners are just annoyed that, in the long run, they bought the wrong machine. It's inevitible.

sony fanboy.

i dont know, debaser... i'm kinda getting a whiff of fanboy comin' off of you too.

as a 360 fanboy?

i've already stated i'm planning on purchasing a PS3.

ps3.

if you're interested in the current games out now, 360

if you're interested in the games coming down the road, ps3

get the PS triple.

if you're interested in the current games out now, 360

if you're interested in the games coming down the road, ps3


Best answer in the thread so far.

This year 360 will get GTA 4 and Gears of War 2. PS3 will also get GTA as well however; it will get Metal Gear Solid 4 and eventually down the road the new Final Fantasy, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Tekken 6, Motor Storm 2....

If you are lucky enough to find a native 20 GB or native 60 GB PS3 you will get 100% backwards compatibility for PS1/PS2 games as these systems have the same emotion engine chip found in the PS2's. 40 GB and 80 GB consoles currently do not.

So let me reiterate:

If you're interested in the current games (mainly FPS) and soon to be defunct HD DVD format, buy the much cheaper 360.

If you're interested in the better games down the road and if you're interested in watching HD movies down the road, buy the PS3 (60 or 20 native for full BC).

It's like the Melee combat engine, but immersed in sludge. You can't even really fast fall... The best thing about Melee was that it was wonderfully smooth and quick, it never felt bulky for a second. Did you feel this at all when comparing the two? I really didn't like how much slower the gameplay was.

Lightning/Fast mode actually seemed quicker to me. Online is a disappointment, no surprise there. But I doubt there are people on here that were as into the L-canceling/ wave dashing stuff like you.

I don't think I like the new method for air dodges either, how it's inertia based. L-canceling is a pretty basic technique though. Most people can do largely without wavedashing, and even I'll admit that it's clearly an unintentional part of the game. Even if wavedashing were the only thing changed about the engine, that'd be fine. But even character movements and the pace of battle have been greatly slowed down. And on Brawl even more, I thought characters were supposed to be balanced out better, but there are very very distinct tier levels still. But as for regular play, the engine's still good, but they really did slow it down.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/12/07/ps3_vs_xbox_360_a_developer_speaks.html

I don't know which firms have the rights to release which games, but I'd go for PS3 for the following reasons:

Final Fantasy XIII
Resident Evil 5
Metal Gear Solid 4
any Tomb Raiders that come along
GTA IV

360 may have more games out at the moment but PS3 has some real big guns to pull out.

Resident Evil 5, Tomb Raiders and GTA IV will all be on the 360. Final Fantasy has went downhill every since 10 and the 360 is getting Infinite Undiscovery (amazing looking square enix rpg) and it already has Lost Oddysey, which was written by the man who originally wrote the Final Fantasy games. It is also quite an amazing JRPG. Also Microsoft has stated that if their customer base demands a blu-ray add on, they will bring it. This was a while ago and I expect them to have a blu-ray add on by Christmas. Not to mention only the 360 has Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, Left 4 Dead and quite a few more amazing exclusives.

Really the systems both have their strong and weak points. Graphics are basically equal from system to system with only minor differences apparent when you compare the two side by side. Neither really proving to be better, just slightly different in shading and colors. Online play and also the marketplace is better on the 360 at least. Either would be a good purchase but as of right now the Ps3 is counting on games in the future to prove its worth while the 360 has a rather long list of exceptional games already. Both will just keep putting out awesome games though. Sadly a few of the games that were supposed to jump start the PS3 library ended up not so well, such as Lair, Heavenly Sword and Unreal Tournament 3. They didn't sell too well compared to the hype. Either way, videogames sure are fun these days. Oh yea, Bioshock and Mass Effect are 360 only and they are worth getting the system alone.


/mark

The obvious choice is to buy both.

i just met one of the main designers for devil may cry tonight! we met at a cherry blossom party and i asked him about this

he said the xbox is his preference atm but the ps3 will of course wipe the xbox clean in the near future

i asked him why and he said that alot of the effects and graphics (on both systems) hasn't been unlocked yet by developers

he said the ps3 had more area to explore

very interesting chap! he said i could preview some new games!

yeah sorry just wanted to show off :D

^neat (i love cherry blossom parties)

but yeah, ps3. playstation is to xbox as the USS Enterprise is to The Borg.

can't believe i just made a gay comparison to star trek.

i'm getting a ps3. hope that settles things for everyone

Damn, Ill have to ebay my 360.

c'est la vie, my friend ;)

no waaay 360 rules

The obvious choice is to buy both.

^

does the 360 have many awesome games that aren't 1st person shooters

does the 360 have many awesome games that aren't 1st person shooters

not really.

blue dragon and mass effect are indispensable though.

hey, its may isn't it? where the fuck is metal gear 4 already

that's out next month

guess i should start mgs3

welcome to 2004, you butt

i'm a busy man making waves in the world. i don't have time to keep up with the latest and greatest games, you nerd

wow, went right over your head, that one

wow, look it's mister obscurantist shit, i mean how obvious, "welcome to 2004"

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I like my 360, but FWIW, I'll be getting a PS3 when Metal Gear comes out. It looks like it has a more diverse library of strong games going forward. The 360 has a lot of great games, but the bulk of them are FPS, so if you are not into that (like me), you'll be disappointed.

I wanted to pick up the MGS4 PS3 bundle when it came out next month, but I just had to drop $460 to fix my car radiator, so now I'm not certain I want to buy one. :(

Essentially what suncrashesdown said, IMO. I think the 360 has got some excellent FPS games, but I do like the variety the PS3 offers, plus the Blu-Ray player makes it even more attractive. As for the Wii, apart from Smash Bros. Melee and Mario Kart, there really isn't any other game I'm dying to play on it.

but I just had to drop $460 to fix my car radiator


what kind of a car do you have? i just replaced my radiator and it only ran me $268

what kind of a car do you have? i just replaced my radiator and it only ran me $268

2002 Mitsubishi Galant. Labor costs are what drove the price up high.

i guess so. that sucks. ive got an '02 camry and.. sheesh thats high!

does the 360 have many awesome games that aren't 1st person shooters


What types of games? This will also be a very good year for the 360 in terms of non-FPS games. I'll go ahead a list some non-FPS games for the 360 that are out and then I'll mention some that are coming which will be amazing. I will be including some third person shooters and first person horror type games though.

Out already:

Ace Combat 6
Armored Core 4
Army of Two
Assassin's Creed
Beautiful Katamari
Bioshock (please don't lump it into typical fps types)
Blue Dragon
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Burnout Revenge
Burnout Paradise
Chromehounds
Command and Conquer 3
Conan
Crash of the Titans
Dark Sector
Dead Rising
Dirt
Earth Defense Force 2017
Eternal Sonata
Forza 2
Gears of War
GTA 4
Guitar Hero 2 and 3
Stranglehold
Kane and Lynch
Lost Odyssey
Lost Planet
Mass Effect
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Rock Band
Skate
Stuntman
Oblivion
Orange Box
Viking
Viva Pinata

EndWar
Civilization
The Bourne Conspiracy
Prototype
Halo Wars
Fable 2
Ninja Gaiden 2
Banjo and Kazooie 3
Gears of War 2
Too Human
Viva Pinata 2

Not to mention there are plenty of arcade games that are worth buying, a few classics, some good puzzlers and a few good action/rpg types. I also left off all FPS games although there are several excellent ones that shouldn't be looked over unless you just hate the style all together. The 360 is hardly FPS only and its actually getting some amazing RPG exclusives, such as Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey and a few more which will be released soon such as Infinite Undiscovery and Tales of Vesperia.

Then again I know you probably don't care and I think the PS3 is a fine system too, just that the Xbox 360 has exclusives which are more to my taste with better online gaming and a much more expansive online marketplace.

I only listen games here that I have either played myself, watched a friend play or at least played through the demo/read many reviews.

If anyone wants to play with me at any time though, I am mostly playing COD4 online at the moment. Just put your XBL gamertag here or PM me. I play many other games as well, COD4 is just the one taking most of my online time atm.

Also I saw the new gameplay footage for MGS4 and was surprised that it actually looked horrible. The character looked really clunky, the AI was absolutely retarded and the movements were very rough. I guess I've just also never enjoyed a Metal Gear game but I really miss what the hype is about.

My biggest anticipated titles are actually Too Human, Left 4 Dead, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 and Gears of War 2. There are some amazing games coming out from now till Christmas, starting with Ninja Gaiden 2 in June.

What types of games? This will also be a very good year for the 360 in terms of non-FPS games. I'll go ahead a list some non-FPS games for the 360 that are out and then I'll mention some that are coming which will be amazing. I will be including some third person shooters and first person horror type games though.

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how many of those games you listed are 360-exclusive and not shooters or racing games? (i'm not particularly hot on either)

games aside, the advantage the ps3 has over the 360 is the blu-ray drive and the playtv digital tv tuner/recorder that's due out in a few months. a 360 can't do those so, for me, the ps3 is a better deal

ps3 is a thinking man's console

xbox is for violent, hormonally-challenged teens

how many of those games you listed are 360-exclusive and not shooters or racing games? (i'm not particularly hot on either)

games aside, the advantage the ps3 has over the 360 is the blu-ray drive and the playtv digital tv tuner/recorder that's due out in a few months. a 360 can't do those so, for me, the ps3 is a better deal


The 360 will come out with a blu-ray drive before Christmas( I can almost guarantee) and there have also been rumours for an IPTV thing to debut sometime around the holidays as well. Even though thats not really important to me because I can stream any video I want with the 360 from my harddrive on the computer and having a tv tuner in the states is pretty much useless. So yea, if you're using the console more for tv and bluray as opposed to gaming, I'm sure the PS3 will treat you well. I'm just into the 360 for games, I don't buy enough movies to warrant owning a blu-ray player yet.

Also the games that are exclusives to the Xbox 360 are the best games on that last. Suck as Bioshock, Beautiful Katamari, Halo Wars, Civilization, Fable 2, Mass Effect, Dead Rising, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Left 4 Dead, Too Human, Banjo Kazooie and the Viva Pinata Games. I left two shooter games in there because they are way above any shooter standards.

For storing media the PS3 will always be superior until Microsoft decides not to completely rip people off on the HD pricing, or allow people to somehow install their own 3rd party HD's.

For storing media the PS3 will always be superior until Microsoft decides not to completely rip people off on the HD pricing, or allow people to somehow install their own 3rd party HD's.

For storing media, you can stream all of that content straight from any external hard drive or USB drive. I can stream HD video straight from my harddrive, I have no reason to buy a larger drive from microsoft because I have no need to purchase video content directly from them. I can acquire content any way I like onto my harddrive and just use it from there. The PS3, Itunes, Cable and Direct TV all have comparable pricing on movie rentals and tv show purchases, its all overpriced. Also I believe all the games on PSN are equally priced to games on XBL. Maybe I'm just misunderstand you but I don't think the PS3 even offers near the content the 360 does yet? In the end neither are ideal for being a complete media center.

getting aps3 once they deal with backwards compatability

You can stream on the ps3 too cant you? HD prices are atill a rip off,.

getting aps3 once they deal with backwards compatability

Theyve dealt with it about as much as they're going to.

Yep. Both consoles have limited backwards compatability. The 360s backwards compatible titles are limited to those which the team can build emulators for. The Ps3 has addressed the issue 3 different ways in 3 different versions of the console. 1st console had hardware emulation which was the best but has been discontinued. 2nd version uses software emulation which is about as good as the 360s, glitchy but suitable for most games. 3rd version has no backwards compatability offerings.


Yes, you can also stream on the PS3 although it does not have Divx/Xvid support yet that I know of like the 360.

HD prices on the 360 are at about $6 for renting an HD movie. How much is it at blockbuster? Not to mention the fact that it takes bluray out of the equation. I hardly watch movies twice so buying isn't really an imporant thing to me. Netflix is ok but we plan poorly with our que and sending in movies. The 360 marketplace is really quick, convenient and gives me HD movies on demand. I believe they aren't much more pricy than Direct TV or Comcast movies on demand....which also carry heavy monthly fees. I just don't think its that bad when compared to the alternatives. Personally I think we will end up picking up a PS3 after the next price drop, whenever that is. There are a few exclusives I wouldn't mind playing and blu-ray will eventually makes its way into the mix. The only thing that could keep me from picking up a PS3 is if Microsoft releases an external bluray drive for a good price. I do not see the good price part happening any time soon.

ps3 does divx/xvid.

movie rental places here are starting to pick up a decent selection of blu-ray titles now that hd-dvd is dead. downloadable rentals would be awesome but i don't think anybody (psn, xbox live, apple etc.) offers them here

I meant the actual hard drive, not the rentals. The 360 marketplace rates are more or less ok. But its still like $150 for 120gb.

can you not upgrade the disk yourself (i.e. with an off-the-shelf laptop hdd)?

Not officially, no. I wouldnt be surprised if someone cracked open the case and shoved one in. You can connect one through the USB port though I think. Not sure what limits it has.

ps3 does divx/xvid.

movie rental places here are starting to pick up a decent selection of blu-ray titles now that hd-dvd is dead. downloadable rentals would be awesome but i don't think anybody (psn, xbox live, apple etc.) offers them here

I believe XBL has now started to offer downloadable movies in Europe. I think they opened the video marketplace just recently, although it may be in the very near future instead. I'm not exactly sure.

As far as the hard drive goes for the 360, $150 for the 120 gig sucks but since I only use the marketplace for rentals and not purchases the 20 gig HD works fine for me. I only wish I had the 120 at times because of the Xbox originals they are offering now. NInja Gaiden Black cost $25 used but its only $15 from their marketplace. Heh, too bad its like 4 gigs.

Xbox owns :)

It has better online play, better libary of games, more people have it if you want to play with friends and it cost cheaper.

PS3 was a let down compared to the PS2

and yeey 1st comment for me ever! :rofl:

Xbox owns :)

It has better online play, better libary of games, more people have it if you want to play with friends and it cost cheaper.

PS3 was a let down compared to the PS2

and yeey 1st comment for me ever! :rofl:

How much are they paying you?

A Millions Trillion dollerzz accually!

stacee is on drugs, cause MGS4 looks incredible