Not counting the live version of Bring The Light, it is by far the best song on Zeitgeist. Yet it gets a lot of hate from people here.

i think most people hate us because of our arrogance, and because of our constant support of Israel.

it is boring and way too long

Not counting the live version of Bring The Light, it is by far the best song on Zeitgeist. Yet it gets a lot of hate from people here.

i never used to but since hearing it live i love it

it is boring and way too long

Not true at all. I love how it changes up constantly throughout the song, and the length is key to that.

Not true at all. I love how it changes up constantly throughout the song, and the length is key to that.

uh it doesn't at all. that's why most people hate it.

I still find United States to be extremely boring. I was hoping each night I saw them that it somehow wouldn't make it on to the set.

uh it doesn't at all. that's why most people hate it.

It does change up. It's all whatever it is at the beginning and than it slows down for a bit. And than it does the di di daaaa di di daaaaa di di daaa for awhile before a climax ending. It changes up more than any smashing pumpkins song since MCIS.

It does change up. It's all whatever it is at the beginning and than it slows down for a bit. And than it does the di di daaaa di di daaaaa di di daaa for awhile before a climax ending. It changes up more than any smashing pumpkins song since MCIS.

Get a load of this guy.

I love United States. It makes my head hurt.

It does change up. It's all whatever it is at the beginning and than it slows down for a bit. And than it does the di di daaaa di di daaaaa di di daaa for awhile before a climax ending. It changes up more than any smashing pumpkins song since MCIS.

A song that features an open D string ringing throughout the entire nine and a half minutes of the song 'changes up'?

I miss Pumpkins songs like Muzzle where no two verse or chorus was the same.

actually thats not too far off.

The song takes 5 minutes before it does anything different, CiGrooski.

Chill, CiGrooski. Have a brewski.

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If the studio version had as much energy as the live version brings, it would be one hell of a track. I still enjoy the fuck out of it though and it's definitely the favorite of all my non-SP friends.

understandable

what someone really needs to do is make a thread questioning why exactly people like superchrist when it is the little retarded brother to united states and five times as boring. Seriously, talk about a song that doesn't go anywhere....

*listens to hummer*

*listens to united states*

...

though to be fair, united states is way more interesting when it's at breakneck speed.

what someone really needs to do is make a thread questioning why exactly people like superchrist when it is the little retarded brother to united states and five times as boring. Seriously, talk about a song that doesn't go anywhere....

superchrist blows

Does this Pantera song sound like US to anyone else?

studio version synced with wrestling: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Rpy8YAYVyw
here it is live: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7ulmiYpbhq8

specifically the beginning of the drum part, and then the sludge riff interrupting

i think most people hate us because of our arrogance, and because of our constant support of Israel.doufeel<3isreal

and xyu changes up more?

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It is fun to play on the guitar. especially the end.

i hate it a little more than i should because i am bitter about what a lame "epic" it is

its a pain in the ass to tune the guitar to it. i wouldn't use that tuning anywhere else

whats the tuning?

US for me is more about Jimmys drumming than anything else, especially on the live versions. His blitzing of the toms at the very start is awesome, then turns into a steady rolling thuinder. His nuances in the middle interlude part are cool, they way he stops and then jumps back in when the song kicks off again, and so on and so on..

Jimmy rocks the song!

I like the song aside from the fucking pointlessness of the middle section...Rush did that along time ago and I'm not quite sure what Billy is trying to achieve, other than being difficult for its own sake.

I'd imagine this is how it is in Billy's head:

"HA! THE FANS WILL HATE THIS! IT WILL CHALLENGE THEM ON A LEVEL ONLY I, BILLY CORGAN CAN APPRECIATE- AND WHEN THEY COME BACK IN TEN YEARS TIME AND SAY "WOW BILLY SURE WAS AHEAD OF HIS TIME WITH THAT ONE" I WILL LOOK NONCHALANT, BUT ON THE INSIDE I WILL BE LAUGHING"


I'm going outside.

when I first head it i thought it was a bit dull compared to the other long pumpkins songs. It has grown on me a lot though. I like the vocal production on this song....i'm sure many will disagree and the ending is great. It's not as strong as the other epics but it's good.

1. Bad placement in setlists

2. Its too long, during the time that they play united states (and superchrist for that matter) they could play several other better songs

3. Lacks the dynamics of Silverfuck

4. No Kenny Aranoff

i hate the united states because its a fascist country, and i haet united states because it's soooo lame and boring

i hate it a little more than i should because i am bitter about what a lame "epic" it is

Just cause it's long doesn't make it epic.

I like the song, besides the middle part of guitar-version-of-whale-mating-calls.

<--likes it. What I especially like about the newest live versions is how some of the guitar effects from the solo section of the song got moved up to the beginning. Billy hits the chords and then lets those laser sounds hit ya.

too long, needs to be like 5 minutes long, cut out the lame middle part.

I liked it the first time I heard it, from the Paris bootleg. It was probably only because I had no idea what the new songs were going to sound like, and I was happy that they weren't some TFE crap. But the album version sucks, and the live version gets boring quickly.

When I first heard it live I really appreciated it, but the song got old pretty quickly. It doesn't have anything to bring you back to listen to it again, something that I generally love SP songs for.

i hate the united states because its a fascist country, and i haet united states because it's soooo lame and boring

AGREE!! AGREE!AGREE! AGREE! AGREE! . very eloguantly said and i agreed.

i luv u more than life itself

1. Bad placement in setlists

2. Its too long, during the time that they play united states (and superchrist for that matter) they could play several other better songs

3. Lacks the dynamics of Silverfuck

4. No Kenny Aranoff


I agree with sometimes a bad placement in setlists. At Reading the start of the gig was awesome but they lost all the neutrals when they played U.S and glass and GC back to back. Again at 02 my non pumpkins mate there felt after a long set to play an extended version of U.S (longer solos at end) was a bit much.

I fucking loved it though.

I liked it the first time I heard it, from the Paris bootleg. It was probably only because I had no idea what the new songs were going to sound like, and I was happy that they weren't some TFE crap. But the album version sucks, and the live version gets boring quickly.

YES exactly

When I saw them live they opened with US and I think that the song is a great opener to a concert.

When I saw them live they opened with US and I think that the song is a great opener to a concert.

I can agree with that, I think the crowd gives alot more leeway to bands for longer/boring songs towards the beginning of a set than towards the end

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I like it. I didn't at first, but after seeing them perform it live I had a change of heart.

I think it's a good jam. Played loud, it's great. The middle solo lacks the genius of solos from other eras, but aside from that, the mood of the song is really good.

The echo of "misunderstood" right when it all comes crashing down is awesome.

Don't know how ppl can't love USA. I love it! I love Gossamer, Superchrist, USA especially when they play them live!! The longer - the better! IMO they are among SP's best work!

Don't know how ppl can't love USA. I love it! I love Gossamer, Superchrist, USA especially when they play them live!! The longer - the better! IMO they are among SP's best work!

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I would like to award you with the first Netphorian "Chocolate teapot award" for outstanding contributions to Netphoria. Just to let you know that we all, deep inside our hearts care.

it was a hard decision, I know JapanAlex has also been working hard to get to that level as well. Maybe next year big guy.

don't worry we have the chocolate watch awards as well for the up and coming retards