Huge props to Trent for an amazing album but did Billy beat him to the punch with the Stigmata OST? Having said that, Billy should definitely start paying attention to Trent. The marketing + the music is genius.

Beating him to what punch? Making instrumental music? Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven would like a few words on that.

Oh and Machina II was free 8 years before Ghosts was.

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i want more hours of free music.
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i want more hours of free music.

Free as in beer. (http://www.archive.org)

edit: you updated your post.

i'd pay money to see people stop comparing billy and trent. i really would.

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i'd pay money to see people stop comparing billy and trent. i really would.


I accept PayPal or Money Orders. $5 and I'll never mention Billy and Trent in the same sentence again.

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well there you go, i won't be giving TRENT any money.

oh, and what pizza club said. why does everyone forget that sp gave away an album years ago?


Really, I think Trent and Billy should just get in the ol' octagon together. Billy's got more reach, but I bet Trent's more powerful. Who'd win?? Trent will want to take the fight to the ground, but billy will be throwing so many kicks and punches, trent won't be able to get him down.

Huge props to Trent for an amazing album but did Billy beat him to the punch with the Stigmata OST? Having said that, Billy should definitely start paying attention to Trent. The marketing + the music is genius.

wrong thread :banging:

oh, and what pizza club said. why does everyone forget that sp gave away an album years ago?


Really, I think Trent and Billy should just get in the ol' octagon together. Billy's got more reach, but I bet Trent's more powerful. Who'd win?? Trent will want to take the fight to the ground, but billy will be throwing so many kicks and punches, trent won't be able to get him down.

Billy is the Rodney Dangerfield of alternative rock that's why. Oh wait, or he is that guy that invented the light bulb before Edison but Edison took all the credit.


Oh, and Trent would destroy Billy I would think. Ever since he's been sober he's been ripped.

trent plays video games
i can see why they haven't given it a shot yet....

yeah, trent will kick billy's ass. But bill won't make it easy for him. It'll be an entertaining fight.

agreed.

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i am confused by this. aren't billy and manson buds? why would manson throw a rock at a porcelain effigy of billy?

oh, and what pizza club said. why does everyone forget that sp gave away an album years ago?


Really, I think Trent and Billy should just get in the ol' octagon together. Billy's got more reach, but I bet Trent's more powerful. Who'd win?? Trent will want to take the fight to the ground, but billy will be throwing so many kicks and punches, trent won't be able to get him down.


Have you seen Trent lately? He would fucking annihilate Billy. Guy is built like a fucking pit bull and would sink his shoulder bending Billy over and breaking him in two. I imagine after he beat him into dust Trent would say something along the lines of "go write a song about it for the special 2 year anniversary edition of Zeitgeist, sadboy." Of course TR calling anyone sadboy would be quite hypocritical.

manson was just pretending to be friends will bill. He was going to take him to the prom, where trent would poor a bucket of pig's blood on billy's head in front of everyone. <i>they're all going to laugh at you, they're all going to laugh at you</i>...

Have you seen Trent lately? He would fucking annihilate Billy. Guy is built like a fucking pit bull and would sink his shoulder bending Billy over and breaking him in two. I imagine after he beat him into dust Trent would say something along the lines of "go write a song about it for the special 2 year anniversary edition of Zeitgeist, sadboy." Of course TR calling anyone sadboy would be quite hypocritical.

this fight is gonna be brutal. I'm going to will it to happen.
I'm doing that right now. Willing it to happen....
*mind power*

not that i hold any illusions that Trent ripped Billy off or something, but i did find Ghosts reminding me of Stigmata too. now i got no probs comparing the two guys as artists as long as we're not getting into the my-rock-star-is-better-than-your-rock-star silliness. they obviously have more in common than not when it comes to musical sensibilities, and as far as Stigmata & Ghosts go, i'd say they had similar aims with each project and share some influences. so did Billy beat Trent to the punch? yes. is Billy the greatest of all time? sure. does Trent suck eggs? absolutely.

oh tcm :love:

manson was just pretending to be friends will bill. He was going to take him to the prom, where trent would poor a bucket of pig's blood on billy's head in front of everyone. <i>they're all going to laugh at you, they're all going to laugh at you</i>...

so this all about billy being ashamed of his first period?

pretty much.

oh, and what pizza club said. why does everyone forget that sp gave away an album years ago?




well he only did it after his label turned it down

not complaining about it...but it's not really the same thing, is it?

i guess not exactly. but still. It could've gone into the vault instead of being given away. I think billy is much less money hungry than people assume. It's no crime to sell your albums rather than give them away, but lately you'd think so (ok, i'm awaiting the multiple-copies-of-zeitgeist arguments to come crashing down on me now; yeah, i know, that sucked).

oh, and what pizza club said. why does everyone forget that sp gave away an album years ago?


Really, I think Trent and Billy should just get in the ol' octagon together. Billy's got more reach, but I bet Trent's more powerful. Who'd win?? Trent will want to take the fight to the ground, but billy will be throwing so many kicks and punches, trent won't be able to get him down.

Why does everyone forget that Billy gave away an album for free that was rejected by his record label.

well on topic - trent has been making instrumental music in the same vein as ghosts for decades, even before billy wrote material for stigmata.

i think it's more similar to bowie instrumentals myself, i think you'll find both billy and trent being more influenced from bowie rather than copying each other.

Why does everyone forget that Billy gave away an album for free that was rejected by his record label.
why do people forget that billy wanted the album to be a free download for those that purchased Machina I.... that was the rejected plan :banging:

but what do we "really" know happens behind those closed doors
lets blame the label for the rainbow zeitgeist

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Why do people insist on sneaking NIN threads into this forum? If there's one person who is actually MORE washed-up and irrelevant than Corgan, it's Trent Reznor.

^

Yeah, Reznor is just about as irrelevant as the '08 U.S. Elections.

Dr. Benway.

as much as i've been loving ghosts
i just went back and listened to SuperChrist
and it's really obvious that they are on very different paths
(two very worthwhile paths i concur)
I could only imagine where trent would be with a beast like jimmy in his pocket

billy better keep counting his blessings.

as much as i've been loving ghosts
i just went back and listened to SuperChrist
and it's really obvious that they are on very different paths
(two very worthwhile paths i concur)
I could only imagine where trent would be with a beast like jimmy in his pocket

billy better keep counting his blessings.

your comment reminded me of Reading Festival last year. SP headlined over NIN, and after the NIN set SP opened with Superchrist. I think the entire crowd felt the same way you did T&T, just now.

your comment reminded me of Reading Festival last year. SP headlined over NIN, and after the NIN set SP opened with Superchrist. I think the entire crowd felt the same way you did T&T, just now.

i'm sure you came back saying NIN blew SP out of the water at that festival?

i'm sure you can find the thread if you did a search.

who knows what would happen on any other night...but on that particular night, SP out-did them. the crowd reaction, the intensity of the show, there were many factors. tryign to be objective, i think the main reason is because Year Zero doesn't have much guitar and the SP set was all about chugging wailing guitars....that it just came on stronger for SP. and SP got to play longer.

one thing that was abundantly clear was the comparison between NIN & SP vs. everybody else. Both bands, as mature veterans, just blew away the other acts in terms of musical prowess and tightness. both billy and trent wove in plenty of new material but the reception was no where near the level of the oldies. they both did great playing solo version of favorites (hurt and 1979) and to be honest i saw many similarities between what both these bands are going through right now...

well on topic - trent has been making instrumental music in the same vein as ghosts for decades, even before billy wrote material for stigmata.
but it's the collective whole that reminds me of Stigmata, the way it cycles from playful to wistful to hypnotic and back, while maintaining a surprisingly light mood. i find this overall tone really sets Ghosts apart from Trent's past instrumentals, which are all like the bleakest, most suffocating music ever. you might even call it maturity, but i think it's more a result of the approach taken in both cases, with focus on emotional texture instead of impact, both intended as soundtracks of sorts.

altogether Ghosts shows a much greater sense of wide-eyed exploration than i'd come to expect from NIN, so perhaps for Trent that approach lent itself better to the kind of openness that comes more naturally to Billy. i just hope he doesn't think he can only write instrumentals this way.

^

Yeah, Reznor is just about as irrelevant as the '08 U.S. Elections.

Dr. Benway.

trent reznor is a bazillion times more relevant to my soul than any politician could ever be.

trent reznor is a bazillion times more relevant to my soul than any politician could ever be.

assuming you are american, that's a big factor in what's wrong with this country.

i don't care what reznor says about corgan, they've been girlfighting forever.

but he needs to shut the fuck up about michael stipe.

surprised this wasn't mentioned yet

but uh,
MIKE GARSON!!!

worked with billy on stigmata (machina tour &
worked with trent on The Fragile
& worked with David Bowie on the later Ziggy Stardust

so that's probably where the similarity comes from obviously.

not that i hold any illusions that Trent ripped Billy off or something, but i did find Ghosts reminding me of Stigmata too. now i got no probs comparing the two guys as artists as long as we're not getting into the my-rock-star-is-better-than-your-rock-star silliness. they obviously have more in common than not when it comes to musical sensibilities, and as far as Stigmata & Ghosts go, i'd say they had similar aims with each project and share some influences. so did Billy beat Trent to the punch? yes. is Billy the greatest of all time? sure. does Trent suck eggs? absolutely.


this made me laugh out loud.

surprised this wasn't mentioned yet

but uh,
MIKE GARSON!!!

worked with billy on stigmata (machina tour &
worked with trent on The Fragile
& worked with David Bowie on the later Ziggy Stardust

so that's probably where the similarity comes from obviously.

you may be giving garson too much credit here...

i'm not giving him ALL the credit... "Billy & trent sit on their fat ass while garson does everything".. lol
just citing a common factor

someone had mentioned bowie as a common factor, it's just additionaly curious that garson worked on that as well....

assuming you are american, that's a big factor in what's wrong with this country.

bullshit. the people have the power, my friend. if they would only realize it.

trent reznor is a bazillion times more relevant to my soul than any politician could ever be.

Just pointing out how ridiculous that comment was. I've been following the elections, but I have no emotional attachments to either party.

Long live good music.

why would trent reznor want to rip off someone whose every move has been a colossal failure since 1996

Back to the fight question - Trent's Neck is wider than his head. If that's not muscle, i don't know what that could be. Tumor?

It's almost scary how ripped he is

it's not a tumor.

why would trent reznor want to rip off someone whose every move has been a colossal failure since 1996

:erm:

Back to the fight question - Trent's Neck is wider than his head. If that's not muscle, i don't know what that could be. Tumor?

It's almost scary how ripped he is

he is really short in real life. Shockingly so.

yeah, he is really really short. I saw him at a bar in new orleans several years ago and couldn't believe how short he was. It was also weird, at that time, to see him in jeans and a t-shirt. If I hadn't been there for a nothing records party, I wouldn't have even thought it was him.

still sure it was him?
trents got to have tons of wanna be lookalikes!
and i bet they are ALL shorter then he actually is.

someone start a thread about billy lookalikes!

I met him in Glasgow. The guy is tiny. But incredibly sharp in conversation. Seemed like a nice guy.

I don't know. Corgan's kind of looks like Tom Noonan in "Manhunter". He whupped William Peterson's ass.

still sure it was him?
trents got to have tons of wanna be lookalikes!
and i bet they are ALL shorter then he actually is.

someone start a thread about billy lookalikes!

yeah it was definitely him. he was walking all around the bar all night, and then when people started showing up he went into the vip area upstairs that was blocked off to us "regular folk". I was there really early with a friend, gettin' my drink on :)
That Mr. Lifto guy from the Jim Rose Circus kept bumping into me at the bar, he's a big scary dude. He finally said, "oh, sorry".
anyway yeah, it was definitely trent.

should have asked for his herbie hancock.

Really, I think Trent and Billy should just get in the ol' octagon together. Billy's got more reach, but I bet Trent's more powerful.


Billy would be like a grumpy white version of Dhalsim. I bet he can spit fire too.

i think it's more similar to bowie instrumentals myself, i think you'll find both billy and trent being more influenced from bowie rather than copying each other.

thanks for keeping it real

It should always be assumed that Jimmy has Billy's back, and the force exerted by Jimmy's right arm alone can split the Moon. Trent may try to bring the fight against Billy to the ground because Trent doesn't have the reach or punching power Corgan would, but on the ground or in a striking battle, Jimmy's got Trent across the fucking board. Bring it on Trent, ya fuckin' pansy, Jimmy won't hesitate to choke a bitch.

oh, and what pizza club said. why does everyone forget that sp gave away an album years ago?


Really, I think Trent and Billy should just get in the ol' octagon together. Billy's got more reach, but I bet Trent's more powerful. Who'd win?? Trent will want to take the fight to the ground, but billy will be throwing so many kicks and punches, trent won't be able to get him down.

INT. PAPER ST. HOUSE - BATHROOM - MORNING

Tyler and Jack share the cracked MIRROR. Tyler's clipping
at his hair with blunt, ill-suited SCISSORS. Jack's
brushing his teeth, spitting out pink foam.

JACK (V.O.)
Fight club became the reason to cut
your hair short and trim your
fingernails.

TYLER
Any historical figure.

JACK
Okay... Reznor.

TYLER
Good answer.

JACK
You?

TYLER
Billy Corgan. Big reach. Skinny guys
fight till they're burger.

Jack reaches in his mouth, exploring, pulls -- yanks a
TOOTH. Jack looks at it. Tyler puts scissors down, done.

TYLER
Remember, even the Mona Lisa's
falling apart.

Jack drops the tooth in the sink with Tyler's hair.

Billy is the Rodney Dangerfield of alternative rock that's why. Oh wait, or he is that guy that invented the light bulb before Edison but Edison took all the credit.


Oh, and Trent would destroy Billy I would think. Ever since he's been sober he's been ripped.

That wasn't Tesla, was it? No... it wasn't. But he created the radio. We wouldn't have the "I of the Radio" without Tesla.

it's not a tumor.

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...reznor... needs to shut the fuck up about michael stipe.

Let the assassination attempts on Reznor begin.

yeah, michael stipe never hurt anyone!
trent hates bald guys.