Allthough I know this isn't the place to come for interpretations of songs or symbols, does have any knowledge as to what the significance of the number 17 was in the Adore era (i.e. the 17 days of rain line from Blissed and Gone, the song 17, the 17 seconds bit in the booklet, etc.) or what the letters c.o.g. stand for in the lyrics to The Everlasting Gaze? (but underneath the wheels lie the skulls of every c.o.g. ...)
thanks

c.o.g= children of glass

Originally posted by meladoriemagpie
Allthough I know this isn't the place to come for interpretations of songs or symbols, does have any knowledge as to what the significance of the number 17 was in the Adore era (i.e. the 17 days of rain line from Blissed and Gone, the song 17, the 17 seconds bit in the booklet, etc.) or what the letters c.o.g. stand for in the lyrics to The Everlasting Gaze? (but underneath the wheels lie the skulls of every c.o.g. ...)
thanks

blissed and gona and 17 are the same song. Blissed and Gone was supposed to be on Adore but I believe people told them the cd was too long and took it off. I don't think the number 17 really means anything

Originally posted by meladoriemagpie
I know this isn't the place to come for interpretations of songs or symbols

yes it is

:D

Originally posted by Toby
c.o.g= children of glass

That's only speculation. Don't get carried away.

Originally posted by hereisnowhy


That's only speculation. Don't get carried away.
are u sure? I don't really remember where I heard it from,but hey its fits in with the gr00vy mystery

well..isn't a cog....like..a sproket or something?

okay...too many Jetsons episodes

Originally posted by Toby

are u sure? I don't really remember where I heard it from,but hey its fits in with the gr00vy mystery

Child of god is another candidate that got thrown around at the time. And yeah, cog itself is a word. There is also the school of thought that the whole thing is meaningless bullshit. :)

I stand by my opinion that the Machina Mystery is cool, but just got carried too far off topic.

Originally posted by hereisnowhy


Child of god is another candidate that got thrown around at the time. And yeah, cog itself is a word. There is also the school of thought that the whole thing is meaningless bullshit. :)

I stand by my opinion that the Machina Mystery is cool, but just got carried too far off topic.

Also B0lly was ranting to the fans in little pieces he called Chards of Glass

-Ben

17.....a reference to youth? didn't billy always explain pre-MCIS pumpkins as "what it sounds like to be 17 growing up in america's subburbs".....or something along those lines?

i just don't know.

Originally posted by Travis Meeks


blissed and gona and 17 are the same song.

umm, no. 17 is the little 17 second long piano thing which is the very last track on Adore. Blissed and Gone is a completely different song.

[/B][/QUOTE] I don't think the number 17 really means anything [/B][/QUOTE]

How could it not mean anything? There was an entire poem in the Adore booklet called 17. It has to symbolize something.

Originally posted by meladoriemagpie


umm, no. 17 is the little 17 second long piano thing which is the very last track on Adore. Blissed and Gone is a completely different song.




ummm, yes. 17 is the opening piano to Blissed and Gone. ummmmm.........think before you speak.

Originally posted by Warsaw



ummm, yes. 17 is the opening piano to Blissed and Gone.

Just because 17 is the opening to Blissed and Gone doesnt make it the same song. if 17 and Blissed and Gone were the same song it would mean that they sounded exactly the same or were possibly two different versions of the same song. Im afraid that is just not so. Are Glass and the Ghost Children and Le Deux Machina the same song? Le Deux Machina is the bridge to Glass but theyre still not the same song.

[i]ummmmm.........think before you speak. [/B]

I did ... and your still wrong.

Originally posted by meladoriemagpie


umm, no. 17 is the little 17 second long piano thing which is the very last track on Adore. Blissed and Gone is a completely different song.



Try listening to Blissed and Gone, and then 17, and see if you can <font color=#5533FF>spot the connection!</font> Also, 17 is 17 seconds long, and the poem is obviously tied into that track/Blissed and Gone. And one of the lines from the song is 'Sweet 17'. This really isn't that hard is it?

As for the c.o.g. thing (isn't it written like that in the lyric booklet?) I always thought it meant Child Of Grunge, because like if B0lly was dead there's a chance his records would sell!

Originally posted by meladoriemagpie


Just because 17 is the opening to Blissed and Gone doesnt make it the same song. if 17 and Blissed and Gone were the same song it would mean that they sounded exactly the same or were possibly two different versions of the same song. Im afraid that is just not so. Are Glass and the Ghost Children and Le Deux Machina the same song? Le Deux Machina is the bridge to Glass but theyre still not the same song.



I did ... and your still wrong.

{Pulls maldoriemagpies's head out of his ass}

There, you'll feel better now.

-Ben

Originally posted by meladoriemagpie


Just because 17 is the opening to Blissed and Gone doesnt make it the same song. if 17 and Blissed and Gone were the same song it would mean that they sounded exactly the same or were possibly two different versions of the same song. Im afraid that is just not so. Are Glass and the Ghost Children and Le Deux Machina the same song? Le Deux Machina is the bridge to Glass but theyre still not the same song.



I did ... and your still wrong.
I think this might be the single most moronic thing I've ever read.

17 is a reference to the number of copies MACHINA sold.

Originally posted by Mayfuck
17 is a reference to the number of copies MACHINA sold.
b0lly has been pwned.

Originally posted by Mayfuck
17 is a reference to the number of copies MACHINA sold.

you my friend just made me L O L

Originally posted by Mayfuck
17 is a reference to the number of copies MACHINA sold.

um no, that's wrong. machina came out after adore so how could adore have a reference to machina in it? if that were true then that would mean that billy can look into the future. and as far as i know billy can't look into the future.

this thread makes me fell like i'm in 1999 again. i'm getting the hell outta here.

17 was a joke.
that what i recall hearing billy say about it

hmmm, this board now officially sucks

meladoriemagpie, you're an idiot

might as well throw in my 5 cents, i always thought cog was creature of god- but it's not really that important, whether it's children of glass, children of god, grunge- whatever- it still has the same meaning.

why why WHY are people still talking about this????

Originally posted by Mirror_Untrue
why why WHY are people still talking about this????

You know it's not dead!

Originally posted by Samsa


um no, that's wrong. machina came out after adore so how could adore have a reference to machina in it? if that were true then that would mean that billy can look into the future. and as far as i know billy can't look into the future.

Heh.

The depths of dumbery have been reached.

Ever seen the movie "Singles"? The riff from Spoonman is played at one point - HOW COULD IT? BECAUSE "SPOONMAN" DIDN'T COMW OUT UNTIL WAYYYYY AFTER SINGLES WAS RELEASED? NOT UNLESS CHRIS CORNELL COULD LOOK INTO THE FUTURE??!!

And then there's the back cover of "Apetite for destruction" by G n R. With the works from "You Could Be Mine" on it? YEARS BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED!!!!

lol,
17 is piano riff off Blissed and Gone and I always thought it's called 17 on the album, because
a)it was supposed to be the last track on Adore after LMGTWTY, but as LMGTWTY has been taken away, it moved to track no.16.
b) it's 17 seconds long.
c) it's reference to Blissed and Gone.

Just me though..
BTW, on Adore JP edition it's still no.17 ;)

Originally posted by DeviousJ

You know it's not dead!
http://www.emotioneric.com/intrigue.jpg

You guys are all fuckin idiots.

Billy's original track listing for Adore was this:

01 To Sheila
02 Ava Adore
03 Perfect
04 Daphne Descends
05 Once Upon A Time
06 Tear
07 Crestfallen
08 Appels + Oranjes
09 Pug
10 The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
11 Annie-Dog
12 Shame
13 Behold! The Night Mare
14 For Martha
15 Blank Page
16 Once in a While
17 Blissed and Gone

But the album was too long, so as a cynical sort of joke, he turned Blissed and Gone into 17... allowing him to get it in there. 17 is a sort of, "I wish Blissed and Gone could be on the album, but 17 seconds is all you really need." Why 17? Because it's track 17. At least, on the Japan copy, which is really the true Adore. He's also used the number 17 to relate to his birthday, the 17th of March... using the number/day to size up years, weeks, minutes, seconds... in his life. A sort of, "time flies" thing. Also, if you look at the notes for 17, each line contains an act that many people believe takes much more than 17 seconds... but Billy's emphasis is that music, love, etc, can have an infnite duration... but 17 seconds is a tangible amount of time to experience it in.

By the way RopeyLopey, you're wrong. LMGTWTY was never taken from track 16, making 17 move down. The "true" Adore is the Japanese version, with Once in a While acting as a closure to Blank Page's fade-out. That's why the song has the same key, same chords, etc. Then the album closes with 17.

Originally posted by Reyngel
You guys are all fuckin idiots.

Billy's original track listing for Adore was this:

01 To Sheila
02 Ava Adore
03 Perfect
04 Daphne Descends
05 Once Upon A Time
06 Tear
07 Crestfallen
08 Appels + Oranjes
09 Pug
10 The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
11 Annie-Dog
12 Shame
13 Behold! The Night Mare
14 For Martha
15 Blank Page
16 Once in a While
17 Blissed and Gone

But the album was too long, so as a cynical sort of joke, he turned Blissed and Gone into 17... allowing him to get it in there. 17 is a sort of, "I wish Blissed and Gone could be on the album, but 17 seconds is all you really need." Why 17? Because it's track 17. At least, on the Japan copy, which is really the true Adore. He's also used the number 17 to relate to his birthday, the 17th of March... using the number/day to size up years, weeks, minutes, seconds... in his life. A sort of, "time flies" thing. Also, if you look at the notes for 17, each line contains an act that many people believe takes much more than 17 seconds... but Billy's emphasis is that music, love, etc, can have an infnite duration... but 17 seconds is a tangible amount of time to experience it in.

By the way RopeyLopey, you're wrong. LMGTWTY was never taken from track 16, making 17 move down. The "true" Adore is the Japanese version, with Once in a While acting as a closure to Blank Page's fade-out. That's why the song has the same key, same chords, etc. Then the album closes with 17.

For someone calling the rest of us fucking idiots, you don't provide any convincing proof that what you say is true. Speculation and mindless Oboardery is all I read in your comments.

I see no particular reason why the Japanese Adore, would be the true Adore. Was the Japanese SD the real SD? or the Japanese Machina the real Machina? No these were all the standard album, plus a bside from the first single.

Certainly 17 may be a cynical joke about album length restrictions, but provide proof such as links to billy quotes etc before you call others idiots.

-Ben

Aw, I totally forgot about Once in a While. I have to listen to that again now.

Btw, what about LMGTWTY? Wasn't that pulled from the album at the last second?

Originally posted by Reyngel


By the way RopeyLopey, you're wrong. LMGTWTY was never taken from track 16, making 17 move down. The "true" Adore is the Japanese version, with Once in a While acting as a closure to Blank Page's fade-out. That's why the song has the same key, same chords, etc. Then the album closes with 17.


Well, my source of information is Jesse Miller, saying ...
March 1998 - Sound City, California (Rick Rubin/Sylvia Massey)
** Let Me Give The World To You
NOTE: The last song recorded for Adore, it was taken off the album at the last second and remains unreleased. The finished version was apparently a stripped down arrangement, which *******d: guitar, bass, organ, and drums by Joey Waronker.(http://www.netphoria.org/recording/recording.html)
Jesse would maybe tell you more...
May I ask about your source of info, Reyngel?
BTW, I've already found one person, who would translate for me the Japanese text, *******d in Adore JP edition - there's something said about LMGTWTY as well, so let's wait and see...
And I don't say I am right, I only expressed my assumption...

Originally posted by RopeyLopey
Jesse would maybe tell you more...

My source was Neil Perry. He said that Blissed and Gone wasn't finished, which suggests that it probably wasn't on the final sequencing of the album. He had sad the song featured numerous tracks of treated poiano, as well as the percussive voice samples. That leads me to believe that 17 is simply one of the isolated piano parts recorded for Blissed and Gone, that may or may not have been mixed into the released version.

Originally posted by Jesse Miller


My source was Neil Perry. He said that Blissed and Gone wasn't finished, which suggests that it probably wasn't on the final sequencing of the album. He had sad the song featured numerous tracks of treated poiano, as well as the percussive voice samples. That leads me to believe that 17 is simply one of the isolated piano parts recorded for Blissed and Gone, that may or may not have been mixed into the released version.

Thank you, sir...I knew you wouldn't put there any fable..

but LMGTWTY -the same source (Neil Perry)?

Yeah... Neil Perry and the Rolling Stone article.

Originally posted by Enzed


Heh.

The depths of dumbery have been reached.

Ever seen the movie "Singles"? The riff from Spoonman is played at one point - HOW COULD IT? BECAUSE "SPOONMAN" DIDN'T COMW OUT UNTIL WAYYYYY AFTER SINGLES WAS RELEASED? NOT UNLESS CHRIS CORNELL COULD LOOK INTO THE FUTURE??!!

And then there's the back cover of "Apetite for destruction" by G n R. With the works from "You Could Be Mine" on it? YEARS BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED!!!!

i hope to god this post isn't directed at me *exasperated sigh*