View Full Version : Which is the most underrated SP album?


Gossamer
01-19-2008, 11:09 AM
Gish

Adore

Machina

Zeitgeist



I personally think they are all underrated among the masses but Machina is the most underrated with actual fans of the band.

Adore is overrated in that respect.

i_adore_adore
01-19-2008, 11:15 AM
Adore is overrated in that respect.

No, it's not.


EDIT: And I voted Machina.

Mayfuck
01-19-2008, 11:25 AM
none are over underrated or overrated.. siamese dream is rightfully canonized and MACHINA and Zeitgeist are rightfully mocked.

MeAndMyLlama
01-19-2008, 01:33 PM
machina. it actually does stand up to the first four albums if you ask me

Charmbag
01-19-2008, 01:46 PM
Machina - it's not that bad

RenewRevive
01-19-2008, 01:49 PM
none are over underrated or overrated.. siamese dream is rightfully canonized and MACHINA and Zeitgeist are rightfully mocked.

you do like machina though, iirc.

Bleakest Harves
01-20-2008, 12:32 PM
Zeitgeist...Adore is overrated, due to its failure to bring the rock, ahilst Machina is probably viewed in the correct light by most, i.e. as being 'meh'.

Cherub Angel
01-20-2008, 12:38 PM
Voted Machina.

amar0331
01-20-2008, 12:54 PM
None of the above. Machina II.

LazyLava
01-20-2008, 01:08 PM
machina is better than it gets credit for...

Adore is great too(minus Shame imo)

Zeitgeist is blah

pete
01-20-2008, 01:31 PM
Adore is their best album (inc. SD + MCIS)...Gish is inconsistent, Machina has many shockers and Zeitgeist is only solid, too inoffensive.

My answer therefore is Adore.

slunken
01-20-2008, 01:33 PM
machina - the live shows were downright scary

i_adore_adore
01-20-2008, 01:38 PM
Adore is their best album

:love:

wilch
01-20-2008, 02:14 PM
Machina. Why does everyone shit on it? WHY!?!?

the sellout
01-20-2008, 02:28 PM
Adore. I have never seen Gish by underrated, it seems to go where it belongs on everyone's list.

If Billy had been smart and taken the best songs from the Machina Era in general (1, 2, Faeomm, others), not to mention made wayyy better production choices, it would have been as good as Siamese Dream methinks

slunken
01-20-2008, 02:30 PM
If Billy had been smart and taken the best songs from the Machina Era in general (1, 2, Faeomm, others), not to mention made wayyy better production choices, it would have been as good as Siamese Dream methinks

I think that was the point?

I Don't Live
01-20-2008, 03:48 PM
i voted gish because it seems like a lot of people don't ever even consider it as one of their top albums, which it is. Machina is a close second but i think its more of a nitch album

Corganist
01-20-2008, 04:10 PM
I think the only album of these four that's underrated at all is Zeitgeist, though I halfway think that's just a product of it only having been out not even 6 months yet. I think in a while people will warm up to it a little bit and give it a fair rating. (Sort of like the way people seem to have warmed up to TFE lately).

Gish and Machina are both rated just about right to me. Most fans like Gish and at the least consider it to be a solid effort all around. And I think the "love it or hate it" reaction Machina gets is pretty spot on, as it is definitely the most uneven album in the SP catalog.

Adore, on the other hand, is very overrated by many big-time fans of the band (though it's perhaps slightly underrated by everyone else).

slunken
01-20-2008, 04:20 PM
i think because adore is and was such a personal album (for both fans and billy himself) it's hard to judge it; it completely tips the scales.

yes both under-rated and over-rated (depending on who you're talking to)...i would consider adore to be the outlier of the band's catalogue if you had to say - which of these does not belong?

unlachs
01-20-2008, 06:14 PM
None of the above. Machina II.

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flyfire
01-20-2008, 08:16 PM
Gish - at the time it didn't receive the recognition it deserved.

mayday
01-20-2008, 08:19 PM
I think they are all in a way but my vote is Machina

reprise85
01-20-2008, 08:57 PM
i love machina, and voted for it. but machina II is amazing and is extremely underrated

duovamp
01-20-2008, 09:06 PM
MCIS. It can never get enough praise.

I'm serious.

june_soma
01-20-2008, 09:24 PM
Machina. No contest. I have no idea what you people were crying about.

TuralyonW3
01-20-2008, 09:26 PM
gish cuz a lot of younger fans don't give it the time of day

Chuck=Zero
01-20-2008, 10:48 PM
MCIS. It can never get enough praise.

I'm serious.

Yeah, outside the SP fan community, the greatness of that album along with SP's stature at that time have long been forgotten.

slunken
01-20-2008, 10:53 PM
gish cuz a lot of younger fans don't give it the time of day

haha that's why i voted machina just replace "younger" with "older":

machina cuz a lot of older fans don't give it the time of day

redbull
01-20-2008, 11:03 PM
machina - the live shows were downright scary
the 2000 tour sucked (excepting feb/march)

CrabbMan
01-21-2008, 12:36 AM
Siamese Dream is definitely the most underrated of their albums. The fact that it's not universally recognized as one of the greatest musical works ever means it's underrated.

ciGarski
01-21-2008, 12:56 AM
page 2.

Ever
01-21-2008, 02:04 AM
Where are siamese dream and mellon collie and the infinite sadness?

redbull
01-21-2008, 02:16 AM
page 2.

quit derailing
and these are the kinds of awful thread you get under the new regime

ciGarski
01-21-2008, 11:08 AM
shut the fuck up redbull, you have no pull here. get over yourself.